Obama Quietly Signs Executive Order to Advance Global Vaccination Agenda

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By Vin Armani

Last Friday, November 4th, Obama quietly signed an Executive Order titled Advancing the Global Health Security Agenda to Achieve a World Safe and Secure from Infectious Disease Threats.

It is the policy of the United States to advance the Global Health Security Agenda (GHSA), which is a multi-faceted, multi-country initiative intended to accelerate partner countries’ measurable capabilities to achieve specific targets to prevent, detect, and respond to infectious disease threats (GHSA targets), whether naturally occurring, deliberate, or accidental.

So basically, the agenda is to push vaccines and normalize quarantine procedures across nations during outbreaks.

GHSA Immunization Agenda states that participating countries must have….

A functioning national vaccine delivery system—with nationwide reach, effective distributions, access for marginalized populations, adequate cold chain, and ongoing quality control.

At least 90% coverage of the country’s 15-month-old population with at least one dose of measles-containing vaccine.

Some notable “Five Year Action Items” include:

  • Conduct routine immunization activities
  • Implement case-based surveillance
  • Achieve and document vaccination of health care workers

Bill Gates provided the CDC with a surveillance tool that helps identify “district-level measles risk” based on immunization records. (Source is same CDC link as above).

What’s more, the HHS recently proposed giving the CDC the power to detain and quarantine people without due Process.

When an apprehension occurs, the individual is not free to leave or discontinue his/her discussion with an HHS/CDC public health or quarantine officer.

…the proposed practice to issue Federal orders before a medical examination has taken place.

CDC defines precommunicable stage to mean the stage beginning upon an individual’s earliest opportunity for exposure to an infectious agent.

CDC may enter into an agreement with an individual, upon such terms as the CDC considers to be reasonably necessary, indicating that the individual consents to any of the public health measures authorized under this part, including quarantine, isolation, conditional release, medical examination, hospitalization, vaccination, and treatment: provided that the individual’s consent shall not be considered as a prerequisite to any exercise of any authority under this part.

…individuals who violate the terms of the agreement or the terms of the Federal order for quarantine, isolation, or conditional release (even if no agreement is in place between the individual and the government), he or she may be subject to criminal penalties.

The source of all quotes above is the official proposed rule for the Control of Communicable Diseases by Health & Human Services (HHS).

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  • Val Valerian

    Observation: Greedy Big Pharma would enjoy a windfall profit with this boondoggle, just as the Insurance industry had one with Obamacare, and the Green Energy company owners did, when they walked off with the money and let the companies go bankrupt ….. all a series of legislative bequests given to corporate America on the backs of and at the expensive of, the people. In the end, companies profit while running the population under the bus. Historically, any nation that betrays its people ceases to exist, and these fools are too enamored with their own self-licking ice cream cone to notice.

    • Cypher

      I used to think it was all about profit. Its mostly that but also control. These chemical injections carry serious risks including debilitating diseases and death. For the older generation it dementia and Alzheimer’s. They dumb us down and make people sick and die. Depopulation by chemicals.

      • Yes glad you see it too the control over us. It’s all about exploiting for power. Notice how doctors are becoming politicians?

        • Cypher

          Do you have something to say with your own words or you only have your fancy images?

          • Please explain how the originality or lack thereof affects the truth value of the claim then we’ll discuss it.

          • Cypher

            You posted some fallacious image so I’m basically asking what your argument is. You obviously have something to say.
            Let’s hear it.

          • First, you need evidence it was a fallacious image.

            Second, don’t fall prey to the fallacy fallacy.

            My point is what it says on the image. Obviously.

            Fourth, answer the question please.

          • Cypher

            Come now chief. Its a simple question. You challenged me with something so I’m just asking you to come with your argument in your own words.
            I posted something a month ago and you challenged me, so I’m waiting for your argument. I want to understand your logic. Maybe you can start by supporting your “image”.

          • Image has integral support.

          • Cypher

            I guess coming up with any arguments to support a vaxtremist position is a challenge for anyone. Anything else you want to add?

          • Answer my question.

            I’ve already come up with arguments.

          • nworder

            I NEVER SAW ONE ARGUMENT OF YOURS ?

            JAPANESE WOMEN FILE A LAWSUIT OVER GARDASIL DAMAGE

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e20a8ac86667392f362f953375102ad0def18c0f49520ae2519b9b35797ca9ee.jpg

          • Your bad eyesight is not my problem.

            What was the verdict in the lawsuit?

          • Cypher

            You approached me, Mike. Are we going to do this ridiculous dance yet again? How many pastings have you received in the past? I lost count.

          • If you wish to talk to Mike, talk to him.

            My post history is public.

            @disqus_0bT5QNRHDf

          • Cypher

            LOL. Whatever you say. Still waiting.

            Dorit Reiss
            Reality022
            Mike Stevens
            KellyMBray
            SoniaHernie
            FSMPastapharian
            JoeFarmer
            Dumb Dumb

          • Report us as sockpuppets then.

          • Cypher

            And still waiting…

          • All you have to do is remind me of the question that I can’t find.

          • Cypher

            To be pedantic, I’ll rewind: You approached me with one your many wonderful images instead of coming out with an argument in your own words and supplying supporting evidence. Follow me so far? I’m simply asking you what your argument is as a premise. It’s not rocket science. This is a public forum, so everyone can see through your deflections and inability answer even the most trivial questions. Since you don’t like being called “Mike”, maybe I call you by your surname: Pedophile

          • What is your evidence that my surname is Pedophile?

            Obvious unacceptable libel? Flagged and downvoted.

          • Cypher

            If you recall one of our previous debates I likened your kind with a pedophiles because they (you) knowingly abuse children without remorse.
            Sorry if you took personal. Now answer the question. You should be clear now what I’m asking.

            And I’m still waiting.

          • Okay.

            The answer to your question is:

            “Yes but I’m too lazy and besides, it’s irrelevant since originality of phrasing or lack thereof does not affect the truth value of the claims. I certainly do provide sources since the memes cite sources on them.”

            You still haven’t provided EVIDENCE.

            Also, learn how to apologize properly.

            I’m still waiting for your evidence that I abuse children without remorse.

          • Cypher

            {distractor classification}
            Still waiting on your own words to come with an argument. I can wait an eternity. Maybe we can try an easier way for you. How about telling me how the so called “Ant-vax” people are wrong. That should be easy enough. One stipulation is that you have to reply with your own words, not someone else’s. It may even make you look credible.

          • nworder

            NOW you know why he’s called dumb dumb

          • I’ve been waiting for 3 years to have evidence provided of payment.

            You can wait a little longer – you’ll live.

          • Cypher

            Oh, I surely will. So let me make sure I understand. You’re not going to provide any argument and supporting evidence. Is that correct?

          • Nope, it’s wrong. I’m going to make you wait until anyone can provide evidence that I am being paid.

          • Cypher

            You’re just proving my point in that you have absolutely zero credibility. If that works for you I’m happy for your Mikey. I really don’t give 1/4 of a rat’s a99 what your motivation is for spreading your misinformation. We’re already established that you’re on the same level as a pedophile.

          • Cypher

            “Provide evidence for this…. Provide evidence for that….” In all these years you still haven’t learned how to debate. I couldn’t care less about your motivation as I’ve already told you many times before, Mikey.You know from experience that I don’t fall for distractions/tangents, but its funny seeing you try it. :-))
            Copy/paste: You approached me with one your many wonderful images instead of coming out with an argument in your own words and supplying supporting evidence. Follow me so far? I’m simply asking you what your argument is as a premise. It’s not rocket science. This is a public forum, so everyone can see through your deflections and inability answer even the most trivial questions.

          • Funny. A fundamental rule of debate is that when someone makes a claim, they need to back it up.

          • Cypher

            Precisely, which is why I’ve been waiting for that from you.

          • Apart from the bit where you have been waiting for an ORIGINAL argument.

          • Cypher

            It looks once again like its a burden for you to come up with any lucid argument or proof backing it up, so I’ll change the subject for you:
            By doing what you do, do you think you and your kids (or their kids) will receive a free pass from what may come? You seem pretty low on the totem pole.
            Also, your chemical injection pushing candidate lost the US election. Is this your feeble attempt to lash out?
            Du ar bara lort.

          • Cypher, again, I’m not your ophthalmologist. Your bad eyesight is not my problem

            The memes are claims with sources.

            Originality or lack thereof is irrelevant.

            As for the U.S President? Why would I care?

            I don’t actually think that we will receive a free pass. That’s the point.

          • Cypher

            Still waiting….

          • And I’m still waiting for evidence of payment. That claim was made first.

            I’ve been waiting 3 years.

            But okay, fine. Vaxxed is bullshit.

            For a start, it confuses elements with compounds.

          • Cypher

            Where/when did I say that?

            Waiting…

          • No, you’re not. Cypher. I literally did that in the COMMENT YOU ARE RESPONDING TO.

            I didn’t say you made the claim.

          • Cypher

            Wow. Silly vaxtremist.Your silly meme basically states that anti-vac ppl are wrong and you ppl are right. Waiting for evidence…

          • Sources on the meme.

          • Cypher

            Which means you need to back up your meme. Something I’ve been waiting on now for over 25 hours now.

          • nworder

            YOU CLAIM VACCINES ARE HARMLESS – Can you back it up with evidence ??

          • That’s a strawman, nworder. I have never claimed that vaccines are harmless – that’s what you claim I said. The point is that they are wildly less dangerous than natural immunity.

            Safe and effective =/= perfect.

          • nworder

            BUT YOU SAY VACCINES RELY ON “NATURAL” IMMUNITY – THEY STIMULATE NATURAL IMMUNITY YOU SAY ?????????
            SO IF THEY STIMULATE NATURAL IMMUNITY HOW CAN NATURAL IMMUNITY BE WILDLY DANGEROUS ????? TRY AGAIN LOL Crazy logic

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7ae73a369352f3bd62f563d33f5041fcf5597e36124e4b761efe2ea1a7490218.jpg

          • A handle on basic chemistry please.

            Also toxins best describes the consequences of natural immunity to diptheria and pertussis.

            A dog is based on a wolf … I’d still rather take my chances with a dog than a wolf if I have to be bitten by one.

          • nworder

            YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED – ” A handle on basic chemistry please.” – what on earth has basic chemistry got to do with my question ?? its just chaff like all your answers .
            HERE IS THE Q AGAIN
            If the natural immune system is so bad as you say then why would we want to stimulate it by a vaccine . PLEASE ANSWER

            YET THEY SQUIRT MERCURY INTO BABIES :_
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1c0f118c161b2ee93cf5e2138aeef5e4ad7558532f40d9c781c9553e1dc45e5c.png

          • Basic chemistry has got everything to do with your question.

            Mercury =/= mercury compounds.

          • nworder

            STOP AVOIDING THE QUESTION – HERE IT IS AGAIN
            Q = If the natural immune system is as bad as you say it is then why would you want to stimulate it with a vaccine ??? There is only the question so you must FACE IT !

          • Oh, I’m sorry. Nworder.

            You are strawmanning me again – I didn’t realize you confused the scarecrow with me.

            Natural Immunity is not the same thing as the natural immune system.

            Natural Immunity = The disease. Natural Immune System = The Immune System.

          • nworder

            “Natural Immunity is not the same thing as the natural immune system.” DUH ?

            Natural immunity = the disease – NO IT DOES NOT
            you might have natural immunity to A disease but it is not THE disease.

            Natural immunity IS THE SAME as the natural immune system – YES TRUE – lol
            hoh hoh hah hah

            One does not have to scratch hard to uncover your ignorance – get back to these troll booklets – you have failed !

          • Sorry.

            Natural Immunity is not the same thing as a natural immune system.

            How do you get natural immunity to a disease? By having the disease.

            Natural Immunity has no lymphocytes like the Natural Immune System does.

          • nworder

            BUT I would say Natural Immunity would involve lymphocytes as well – lol

            I am of the conclusion that natural immunity = natural immune system !

            you tried to make a distinction AND you did not answer my QUESTION

            Q = If you say the natural immune system is so dangerous then why would one want to stimulate it with a vaccine .

            I know what you are trying to do – change the subject to wordplay and avoid the question I have asked – you must be the 5 cents a post troll . heh heh

          • Cypher

            Silly vaxtremist. I don’t care. Your silly meme basically states that anti-vac ppl are wrong and you ppl are right and I’m waiting for evidence, still.
            If I misinterpreted your ramblings, please correct me.

          • nworder

            You encourage the vaccination abuse of children AND you make money from it

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2c8a638cb960ff03b8534675a112fe2c3191d03ce815e3bd0ff53cb182384dc9.jpg

          • Uhhh… evidence please?

            And okay, you’re resorting to time-travel now. We’re done.

          • That’s why I post the memes, dear, the supporting evidence is on them.

          • blue579

            You nailed him, Cypher! Thanks for the fighting the good fight. Amazed at the tenacity and smarts of yourself, nworder, & AutismDadd. Kudos!

          • Cypher

            Thank you. :-))
            I used to try to convince these clowns of the facts until I started to realize that they already know the truth and don’t really care. I enjoy making them look
            likes dunces. I’m actually surprised Mike Stevens (the main sock) had the tenacity to show up on Activistpost of all places. I’ve had many a battle with that sock profile
            over the years over vaccines. These people have no soul and I expose them for what they are.

          • blue579

            Well, you did an excellent job, truly catching him with his pants down when he couldn’t produce one argument on his own. Very strange and also hilarious, I expected him to at least parrot a short script. I’m impossibly burnt out with NWO synthesis research (14 years!) plus, as a woman, I just don’t have the emotional fire to battle the trolls anymore. The last time I had a good battle on vaccines with a troll was James Peters on Green Med Info, probably a couple of years ago now. He briefly popped up on A. Post too – a whack a mole. It was frustrating because all he did was post long cut and paste replies despite clearly having at least a little bit of a formal education in the biological sciences. It wasn’t a debate, of course, it was a war of attrition. My patience ‘wick’ has burned down to a nub. Hence, I’m eternally grateful for your effort and tenacity. I was happily surprised to see this thread has 3K comments, it really is a great sign. Although, we still have a long way to go – – gotta keep lighting those brush fires, Cypher! Keep up the great work and thanks again. Cheers . Kind Regards, Blue.

          • Cypher

            Thank you! You’ve gained another follower! :-))

          • blue579

            Thank you, Cypher, I’m very honored, and always open to learning new things, sharing, and providing any helpful breadcrumbs I can. 😉 I turned off my privacy setting only a couple of months ago after a request, you’ll have to forgive me if I’m not good at being a practiced guru. See ya around. 🙂

          • Cypher

            {AP is slow in approving comments, so sorry for the previous typos}
            Thank you. :-))
            I used to spend a lot of emotional energy to convince these clowns of the facts until I started to realize that they already know the truth and don’t really care. Once I had that revelation the slaying became like sport. I enjoy making them look like the dunces they are. I’m actually surprised Mike Stevens (the main sock) had the audacity to show up on Activistpost of all places. I’ve had many a battle with that sock profile over the years over vaccines. These people have no soul and I expose them for what they are.

          • Evidence?

          • eddysachs

            I see you have your Hasbra sycophants in tow…luv your moniker …& Oh so appropos (lol)

  • See Janus

    Trump just published his first 100 Day Decisions, one of which is to eliminate all Executive Orders signed by the stooge/zombie President Obama, and if so, which we pray occurs, this lousy, Fascist Executive Order will be dismantled. Go, Trump!!!! Get rid of the Fascist police state put in play by puppet Obama as soon as possible!!!!! Americans voted for you, Trump, to forestall a Fascist America, and we are counting on you to cancel Executive Orders signed by Obama. Just do it!

    • imgrateful_1

      yayyy! I think I read somewhere that Trumps eats ORGANIC food choices.

      • Joan Camara

        He’s not the only one! I changed my whole diet around, and I’ll never look back to processed foods…with factory farmed animals getting hormone shots (to make them grow bigger, faster…antibiotic shots (because they live in filth), and fed GMO grain, I want NO dairy and meat unless from grass fed, open range, animals,and all fruits and vegetables with hundreds of chemicals sprayed on them….who wants it?? UGH!

    • eddysachs

      I have my fingers crossed

    • he’s also made some anti-vax statements…lets hope. I am personally sick of living in a world where those of us who research and have knowledge and make educated decisions are somehow crazy conspiracy theorists. Its getting old!

    • nochipforme

      One more reason to be in a state of emergency before inauguration day.

  • imgrateful_1

    Well, looks like I will be going to jail, because I WILL not defile my body with the poisons from big pharma. That IS NOT health. Its my responsibility to provide what is necessary for a healthy immune system. Mercury in vac means permanent damage to the BRAIN. That is what Hitler did in his rule. Hmm that is cause to wonder what is going on with our country! The worship of big pharma means brain damaged people! lol

    • Maggie

      I think you just may be right!

    • amuncat

      As a former public health employee, I have noted that there is no longer an emphasis on prevention!!! If people routinely washed their hands with warm soapy water 90% of the know transmittable diseases would be gone!
      Speaking of which, Hillary’s coughing fits would cause me to cringe. She coughed in her hands!!!! Know way to transmit diseases, viruses, etc. Instead, she should have coughed on the INSIDE OF HER ELBOW! I felt a great opportunity for showing an example of how to do it correctly was missed!

      • nworder

        It could have been lies building up in her throat .

      • imgrateful_1

        You are right. This might sound radical, but I believe all of the medical field is fraud. There is no truth, and they are not in the business of healing. I have participated in 3 online summits produced by Ty Bollinger. The title was “The Truth about Cancer, the Global quest. He just has a book out that he authored by the same title. I was very angry when I learned the truth. He traveled all over the world and included interviews with over 100 doctors, practicing as naturopathic field. In Europe they believe in natural remedies. There is NO GMO seeds over there. Does anyone wonder why there is more cancer?

        • Yvonne Forsman

          I watched the Ty Bollinger series, and I bought his book which is now #1 best seller on amazon. Can I be your friend on FB? I am Yvonne Forsman in Florida.

          • imgrateful_1

            Yes on FB.

        • Being a victim of circumutilation, I had to be an intactivist to educate so others will not suffer but instead enjoy the benefits of having a whole inherit body. So I know the CDC is not now for the public good for the CDC proposed to aim to get all USA males to amputate the foreskin part of their penis. By having any medic visit an opportunity to educate to get cut. Plus your family, lover, caregiver, will be targeted to tell you to get cut. This is what they are doing in Africa and elsewhere like Haiti,telling half truths and outright lies knowingly based on flawed pro biased circ studies and not conducting and studies looking for benefits of the foreskin. And any study showing foreskin has benefits is blocked from publishing in Journals (Dr. Edgar Schoen of Kaiser Pediatrics is now known to have blocked). Example the AAP who the CDC refers, did not list as a reference the ground breaking Sorrells penile sensitivity test study. Btw forced circ is all about power over others. Remember how circ was touted being like a vaccine? Tied to herd immunity? Sounds familiar, yes? IMO the CDC is about making money by wrecking us mentally and physically so to cash in on a lifetime of therapies and the god image doctors use to have when I was a kid. If you don’t like being forced about, then beware of HR 1150 that passed the house. The devil is in the details (see our government is dishonest to its citizens) for you would think something like male circumcision in the bill would be mentioned up front in the HR 1150 summary, not. So please read the whole bill about keeping lists of governments and it’s people, our people, retributions, punishments, teaching about religion to all new gov hires and military at every level of gov even the DMV. This bill calls those against male circ antisemites and suggest antidemites are terrorists. All about power to control others. See Ira Forman Obama circ EU. There was a photo of me used with the afore mentioned CDC circ proposal. ABC and NBC two weeks after publishing this news Dec 4 then censored this, deleted from the net. NBC had since then redid the pro circ article without a circ protest photo, instead it shows a photo of a infant boy cradle in the father’s arms after the tearing, clamping, cutting, sometimes stitch and burn cauterize 1/2 his penile skin off. The caption underneath said now he closes his eyes. As if the baby is all calm and sleepy. So unreal manipulation. Point here is the news networks can not be trusted. I suggest go outside the USA for the truth.

          • What about the rest of the world, amuncat?

      • 1555

        Amuncat, thank you for your wise words. Yes, 90% of the known transmittable diseases
        would be gone, but so would be profits of those who make huge profit from human suffering.

      • FallsAngel

        Many of these diseases are airborne. You should quit breathing. Just what did you do in public health?

    • Jessie Swan

      It’s definitely not just the mercury. It’s also the aluminum along with all the other toxic and pathogenic ingredients.

        • Wise Guy

          You are a fish that so easily swallows the .gov bait hook. They do lie, that’s a fact. They don’t have us simpletons best interest in mind… Follow the money trail white rabbit and you will eventually see the truth everyone is trying to tell you. Stop being a mindless sheep swallowing the lies.

          Now go ingest some more heavy metals along with some flouride and wash it all down with some roundup tainted corn Syrup and aspartame infused drink.. AS if you know chemistry anyways. Yawn.

          • I have followed the money trail, Wise Guy, Can you explain why green countries support vaccines?

            Why are you referring to “the” goverment? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg

            “AS if you know chemistry anyways.” I know enough to know the https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b546789ba4acaa5ec6cbf9bb9ca3669923c72d6951331b8d5cf36bf72d7e2742.jpg difference between a compound and an element, yeah.

          • nworder

            THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD (and much of the undeveloped world ) IS IN AMERICA .
            The graph correlates exactly with the number of vaccines given – america being by far the highest at over 50 jabs at the earliest age .

            America is the sickest country in the world with medically induced illness combined with poisonous food and the highest vaccination rate AND they spend more on “health” than western Europe – what a failure.

          • Ron Roy

            Child mortality halved? That because they only counted those vaccinated against them dying from the disease they were vaccinated for. Those killed by the vaccine were not part of the statistics. Plus these results were bought and paid for by the drug companies making the vaccines. If you want the REAL truth go to: WHALE / VACCINE and see what doctors from all over the world have personally seen and reported concerning the harm done by vaccines.

          • Citation needed, Ron Roy. Make sure it’s better quality than the current evidence. And no, Whale doesn’t count here.

          • Ron Roy

            Check out WHALE / VACCINE folks and see why vaccine shills fear that site.

          • Kevin

            Whale to Oh no please not the dreaded Whale.

          • ciaparker2

            Dr. Kalokerinos showed that the reason that 50% of aboriginal babies were dying shortly after being vaccinated was because of nutritional deficiencies, and when they were supplemented with vitamin C, mortality dropped significantly. But once their nutritional status is good, they are no longer at much risk from mild diseases like measles and pertussis.
            You guys just want to vax all babies to death, replace them, and then vax those. Ching ching.

          • Mike Stevens

            In which science publications can one read Kalokerinos’s work?
            Can you post the PMID numbers please Cia?

          • JGC

            I’m unable to find any publication where Kalokerinos demonstrates that vitamin C altered mortality by administering vitamin C–only interviews on websites like whale where he assets he’s done this.
            Can you provide any evidence that what he claims he was able to do he actually did?

          • Mike Stevens

            I’ll ask again, Cia… Where can I read this astounding and important research by Dr Kalokerinos? Can you tell us which scientific publication it appears in?

            And, if he hasn’t formally published it, perhaps you could tell us what people should call someone who has a miraculous cure for a serious disease but refuses to share it formally with other colleagues? Would a money-grubbing, evil, inhumane, callous, self-centred b4st4rd just about cover it?

          • ciaparker2

            Reading this, I thought I’d always meant to read his book Every Second Child (died from infant vaccines given to aboriginal children). Went to Amazon, looks like they’re all out of my price range: But must be really good to command $1,106.92 or a mere $275.00.

            Every Second Child by Kalokerinos Archie (1974-01-01) Hardcover Hardcover – 1600

            by Kalokerinos Archie (Author)

            $1,106.92 $275.00

            from $275.00 5 Used from $275.00 3 New from $1,106.92

          • Mike Stevens

            Like I said – Moneygrubbing b4stard.
            What do you think about that Cia, seriously?

          • eddysachs

            You’re a mentally ill criminal vacuole…go play in the traffic

          • nworder

            MIKE STEVENS = a money-grubbing, evil, inhumane, callous, self-centred b4st4rd
            AND Mike works for money-grubbing, evil,inhumane, callous,self-centred b4st4rd S

          • Mike Stevens

            Your evidence being…?

          • suz norkan

            I don’t think you get to set the tos here, dumb dumb!

          • Citation needed.

          • Ron Roy

            “It was similar with the measles vaccination. They went through Africa,
            South America and elsewhere, and vaccinated sick and starving children…They thought they
            were wiping out measles, but most of those susceptible to measles died from some other
            disease that they developed as a result of being vaccinated. The vaccination reduced their
            immune levels and acted like an infection. Many got septicaemia, gastro-enteritis,
            etcetera, or made their nutritional status worse and they died from malnutrition. So there
            were very few susceptible infants left alive to get measles. It’s one way to get good
            statistics, kill all those that are susceptible, which is what they literally did.”
            –Dr Kalokerinos, M.D

          • AutismDadd

            Yep sounds like the vaccines WORKING alright.

          • nworder

            DUMB DUMB – HERE IS THE GRAPH – AMERICA WINS FOR INFANT DEATH

            Generation Rescue, Inc. 2009
            All rights reserved :-

            TABLE 2: NUMBER OF MANDATORY VACCINES AND
            UNDER 5 MORTALITY RATES FOR TOP 30 COUNTRIES

            Mandatory Mortality Rates Mortality Rate
            Vaccines Per 1,000 children Worldwide
            Country (<5 yrs old) Under 5 yrs old Rank
            When america had 36 jabs BUT IT NOW HAS 70 PLUS

            JABS deaths
            United States 36 7.8 34th in survival rates
            Iceland 11 3.9 1
            Sweden 11 4.0 2
            Singapore 13 4.1 3
            Japan 11 4.2 4
            Norway 13 4.4 5
            Finland 12 4.7 6
            Hong Kong 13 4.7 7
            Czech Republic 20 4.8 8
            Korea, South n.a. 4.8 9
            Switzerland 16 5.1 10
            France 17 5.2 11
            Spain 20 5.3 12
            Belgium 18 5.3 13
            Germany 22 5.4 14
            Austria 19 5.4 15
            Australia 27 5.6 16
            Israel 11 5.7 17
            Denmark 12 5.8 18
            Netherlands 20 5.9 19
            Canada 28 5.9 20
            United Kingdom 20 6.0 21
            Italy 13 6.1 22
            Ireland 24 6.2 23
            Channel Islands n.a. 6.2 24
            Slovenia 14 6.4 25
            New Zealand 21 6.4 26
            Cuba n.a. 6.5 27
            Luxembourg 23 6.6 28
            Portugal 19 6.6 29
            Brunei n.a. 6.7 30
            Cyprus 23 6.9 31
            Malta 14 7.6 32
            Croatia 18 7.7 33

          • That is what you say the graph says.

          • nworder

            AND IT IS IRREFUTABLE – AMERICA IS VACCINATING ITS INFANTS TO DEATH

          • nworder

            AMERICA IS THE HIGHEST CHILD VACCINATING NATION IN THE WORLD BY FAR.
            NOT ONLY THAT there is little pressure here in Europe – no threats by bought and paid for pharma thugs and gangsters – so the jabs are much less than the program requires since refusal is perfectly legal.

            NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR CHERRY PICKED FAKED RESEARCH .

            GOOD FOOD , HYGIENE HALVED CHILD MORTALITY – VACCINES INCREASED CHILD MORTALITY.

          • Nope.

          • nworder

            HEALTHY HOLISTIC LIVING :-
            AMERICA HIGHEST VACCINATION RATES – NOW 76 !!!!!! FOR AN ADULT – WHIT !
            USA: Highest Vaccination Rate in the World Has the Worst Health

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            by PAUL FASSA

            That “worst health” label includes a ranking of 34th in the world with infant mortality. In other words, the USA has the 34th worst infant survival with its highest rate of vaccinations. Some are directly from multiple vaccinations administered.

            But the USA leads the world in infant vaccinations, those administered during the first year after their births – 26 vaccinations during that time.

            -In 2016, the schedule has increased to 74 doses by age 17 with 53 injections and 3 oral doses of rotavirus.

            The number of vaccines included in the current childhood vaccine schedule has quadrupled over the past 60 years, with several demanding multiple injections and boosters. During this exponential rise of CDC “recommended” schedules, the health of American children has plummeted.

            Autoimmune diseases, learning disabilities, food allergies, chronic ailments, and childhood obesity have all risen. The overall health of this nation ranks very low compared to all other industrialized nations, dead last in most areas.

            Vaccine false dogma is so heavy hardly anyone with authority, even in mainstream media, makes the connection between poor health with high vaccination rates. Instead, more, three added for 2016, are getting enforced by mandate or coerced by pediatricians who have the right to refuse medical care on kids who aren’t vaccinated.

          • ciaparker2
          • Mike Stevens

            Oh, an antivaccine propaganda website as scientific “evidence”?
            Cute.

          • ciaparker2

            Did you see how the entire thread with René Anand comments was culled to leave only the ones the LL gang wanted to leave? It’s either really Mike Davis making all his silly comments or he’s been brought into the gang.

          • suz norkan

            Cia, as soon as cathy/LL began to take over the discussion at “Science -Trump met with prominent anti vaccine activists during the campaign”, like she knew rene on some personal level, chastised parrot Pro, brian & realty 22, shined the ‘BAT [astroBRAT] signal’ and called in the LL barbie & ken dolls to flag us, all the comments that stood for over a day [even anne daschels] disappeared! I was appalled at the carnage left behind in that commentary when I revisited it this am.

            This is what readers and participants need to realize when the LL gang shows up in droves with their 20-30 + upvotes from the ‘just borns’ in the same time span of mins. Of course the upvotes are joke worthy.

            However, in the same vein, it’s this magnitude of ‘just born’ sockies that trips the ‘flag’ trigger in THEIR favor, allowing perfectly great and tos compliant comments to be triggered into mod/deletion. THAT is what they do, and how they sanction the truth of their opponents; by allowing the public to engage ONLY the LL pov, by their use of media manipulation at the sites where they’re permitted to run free and gang flag.

            Mike davis and his sockies; agreed! Rene is actually for further diligent and RECEPTIVE research, showing that the scientific consensus is FAR from conclusive on the hot button issue of vax = autism! Cathy simply permitted rene to stand and told dudley do right to back off, because she understood the embarrassment they’d bring, given rene’s creds.

            Readers need to be diligent, when they see these massive gangs of upvotes from this LL gang, in that as easily as they gather their little sox en mass to falsely advance their pov, that they will flag into submission, deletion or BAN, anything that they disagree with.

            I know that you’ve tried to make headway for the rest of us, with your complaint against ivan. Unfortunately, it will take much more than one or two people bringing this gang and their tactics, to the attention of disqus admin.

            This prejudicial censorship can NOT be what disqus intended when it initially offered a platform for responsible opinion, discussion, debate and commentary, for sites using their protocol. And that is why more and more respectable mediums with comment sections are shying away from and leaving disqus!

            It is sad that “Science” with an “S” in a red circle logo, would allow the removal of great comments due to the games these astroBRATS play. Hopefully anyone reading this post who may be in agreement, will take the time to give “Science” and these barbie and ken ‘just born’ astroBRATS a good spanking!

            At the very LEAST, readers, participants AND MODERATORS should become familiar with their digg and bury gang bullying tactics and media/moderation manipulations.

          • ciaparker2

            Anything Cathy or you say, it is because LL gave you the assignment to say it.

          • suz norkan

            Cia, as soon as cathy/LL began to take over the discussion at “Science -Trump met with prominent anti vaccine activists during the campaign”, like she knew rene on some personal level, chastised parrot Pro, brian & realty 22, shined the ‘BAT [astroBRAT] signal’ and called in the LL barbie & ken dolls to flag us, all the comments that stood for over a day [even anne daschels] disappeared! I was appalled at the carnage left behind in that commentary when I revisited it this am.

            This is what readers and participants need to realize when the LL gang shows up in droves with their 20-30 + upvotes from the ‘just borns’ in the same time span of mins. Of course the upvotes are joke worthy.

            However, in the same vein, it’s this magnitude of ‘just born’ sockies that trips the ‘flag’ trigger in THEIR favor, allowing perfectly great and tos compliant comments to be triggered into mod/deletion. THAT is what they do, and how they sanction the truth of their opponents; by allowing the public to engage ONLY the LL pov, by their use of media manipulation at the sites where they’re permitted to run free and gang flag.

            Mike davis and his sockies; agreed! Rene is actually for further diligent and RECEPTIVE research, showing that the scientific consensus is FAR from conclusive on the hot button issue of vax = autism! Cathy simply permitted rene to stand and told dudley do right to back off, because she understood the embarrassment they’d bring, given rene’s creds.

            Readers need to be diligent, when they see these massive gangs of upvotes from this LL gang, in that as easily as they gather their little sox en mass to falsely advance their pov, that they will flag into submission, deletion or BAN, anything that they disagree with.

            I know that you’ve tried to make headway for the rest of us, with your complaint against ivan. Unfortunately, it will take much more than one or two people bringing this gang and their tactics, to the attention of disqus admin.

            This prejudicial censorship can NOT be what disqus intended when it initially offered a platform for responsible opinion, discussion, debate and commentary, for sites using their protocol. And that is why more and more respectable mediums with comment sections are shying away from and leaving disqus!

            It is sad that “Science” with an “S” in a red circle logo, would allow the removal of great comments due to the games these astroBRATS play. Hopefully anyone reading this post who may be in agreement, will take the time to give “Science” and these barbie and ken ‘just born’ astroBRATS a good spanking!

            At the very LEAST, readers, participants AND MODERATORS should become familiar with their digg and bury gang bullying tactics and media/moderation manipulations.

          • ciaparker2

            Oh, a father whose precious firstborn child was killed by the hep-B vaccine and he starts researching them? Finds out how crooked and venal the vaccine game is? I can see why you’d like to say it’s propaganda.

          • ciaparker2

            Lots of information here on vaccines causing asthma and allergies, but there are hundreds of sites with similar or additional information on this.

            therefusers dot com asthma-and-vaccines-a-dirty-little-secret

          • We’re looking for cites, cia, not sites.

            But can you point me to something with evidence – something that realises the difference between after and because please.

          • ciaparker2

            The article I cited has a passage from Dr. Randall Neustaedter’s superb book The Vaccine Guide, with summaries of several studies which showed how much more common asthma was in those who had gotten the pertussis vaccine and those who had not. There is also the Manitoba study

          • 1)I’m not interested in what an article says a book says.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e728cd38f1cf33c57fc388d62da609cdad4916667f98574841f078b66c0f1985.png

            2)What is the PMID number for the Manitoba study?

          • nworder

            PEER REVIEW IS A RACKET – THE ONLY REVIEW THAT IS CARRIED OUT IS THE PHARMA EXECS MAKING SURE ANY RESEARCH THAT SHOWS UP ANY DANGER IS DUMPED AND THE HONEST LABCOAT SACKED.

            DUMB DUMB you live in a fantasy world

          • nworder

            YES BUT IF YOUR MASTERS MANAGE TO GET 6 BILLION PEOPLE VACCINATED WITH 70 VACCINES EACH X 100 THAT IS $42,000 BILLION WOW !
            AKA 42 TRILLION YIPES EVEN IF THE PROFIT WAS SAY 40% GROSS
            THEY WOULD MAKE 16.8 TRILLION GROSS PROFIT – WHOOOPEE .

          • AutismDadd

            But there’s no money in vaccines! (snicker, Dumb is such a shill)

          • nworder

            THESE GANGSTERS VACCINATE OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS
            LOL

            70 VACCINES NOW X $100 A SHOT IS $7000 A HEAD plus they never work so you will need boosters

            We will be working a whole year just to pay for our vaccines .

          • Don’t double-count and triple-count.

          • nworder

            ACTIVIST POST WHY ARE YOU LETTING NOM DUMB FILL UP THE SIGHT WITH
            TRASHY VACCINE ADVERTS – HE IS A PROFESSIONAL TROLL FOR THE PHARMA
            INDUSTRY – PLEASE BAN ALL BLATANT TROLLS .

          • nworder

            I SEE YOU DONT DO ARITHMETIC EITHER.

          • *sigh*

            If the MMR series costs $200, then it’s 200 / 6 to work out what the cost per vaccine is. It’s a 3-in-1 vaccine.

          • nworder

            BUT YOU SAID $100 FOR ONE MEASLES VACCINE – NOW ITS $200 FOR SIX VACCINE – BUY ONE GET ONE FREE – LOL

            DO YOU DECIDE THESE FIGURES ??

          • No, the $200 dollars is for six vaccines given over 2 injections. $100 dollars is for three vaccines with one injection.

            It’s not complicated.

          • nworder
          • Kevin

            Well I tell you what Nom.Poor Big Pharma must be going broke where I live.My daughter-in-law has told me that vaccinations for all three of her children has cost her NOTHING,So it would make sense not to have vaccination available so they could make money to treat vaccine preventable diseases

          • Where I live too! But then again, Andrew Wakefield is ours, unfortunately so erm…sorry about that.

          • nworder

            HOW DAFT CAN YOU GET ? THE NHS PAYS THE VACCINE MAFIA FOR VACCINATIONS AND THEY WILL CHARGE WHAT THEY WANT .

            SO OUR UK TAXES PAY THE VACCINE MAFIA ULTIMATELY

          • Kevin

            I don’t live in the UK.

          • eddysachs

            You’re absolutely right…you don’t account for anything(lol)

          • AutismDadd

            In a word CONSENSUS

          • Marten

            Enjoy your strategic denial…walking the talk and moral integrity……

          • nworder

            THIS IS NOW HISTORY THE CRAZY JABBERS WANT TO GIVE YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN 70 + VACCINES Vaccine Schedules, Autism Rates, and Under 5 Mortality Generation Rescue, Inc. 2009 All rights reserved 1

            THE UNITED STATES has the most aggressive mandated vaccine schedule in the world.
            The vaccine schedule has grown materially since 1990 (25 additional vaccines). Interestingly, the adoption rate of other countries are far lower for recent vaccines (Varicella, Rotavirus, Hepatitis A & B, Flu) than they have been
            for the “core” vaccines used to fight deadly disease (DTP, MMR, Polio).

            Today, there are 11 licensed vaccines on the U.S. Recommended Immunization Schedule published annually by the Centers for Disease Control.

            Many of the vaccines are administered multiple times. Table 1 depicts the evolution of the U.S. vaccine schedule and also highlights the adoption rates of other Western Countries of each vaccine.

            Generally speaking, the U.S. has been the early adopter of new vaccines.

            TABLE 1: U.S. MANDATED VACCINES VERSUS OTHER COUNTRIES
            Year Added USA Mandated Doses How many countries
            USA Schedule Vaccines Given USA (of 30 studied) mandate this vaccine?

            1940s Diptheria, Tetanus, Pertussis (DTP) 5 30 of 30 (100%)
            1955 Inactivated Poliovirus (IPV) 4 30 of 30 (100%)
            1971 Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR) 2 30 of 30 (100%)
            1990 Haemophilus Influenzae type B (Hib) 4 28 of 30 (93%)
            1991 Hepatitis B (HepB) 3 18 of 30 (60%)
            1995 Varicella 2 4 of 30 (13%): USA, Germany, Australia, Canada
            1998 Rotavirus (RV) 3 3 of 30 (10%): USA, Australia, Austria
            2000 Pneumococcal (PCV) 4 11 of 30 (37%)
            2004 Influenza 7 2 of 30 (7%): USA, Canada
            2004 Hepatitis A (Hep A) 2 1 of 30 (3%): USA
            2006 Meningococcal (high risk groups only) —
            Total Vaccines to US Children Under 5 = 36

          • James

            Take a hike troll. Nobody is buying the poison you’re selling.

          • Huh.

            That’s odd…you’d expect poison https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png to have an adverse health effect.

          • James

            PAID SOROS-TROLL ALERT! PAID SOROS-TROLL ALERT!

          • “Case 1

            Just supposing I really am a paid shill for the pharma companies. I’m writing my piece because I’m paid to express those views, not because I have arrived at them by honestly examining facts and evidence. That means I’m writing my piece irrespective of the facts, and so my piece may well be factually inaccurate. If that’s true, it should be easy for my opponent to point out these inaccuracies shouldn’t it? So why don’t they? Why do they insist instead on just saying I’m a pharma industry shill? Surely what matters is if the argument I have presented is correct or not?

            Case 2

            Alternatively, suppose I’m still a pharma industry shill, and I’m still writing my piece because I’m paid to do so, but suppose that my piece just happens to coincide with the facts. My piece is factually correct, purely by accident. So what is the relevance that I am a pharma industry shill? My piece is correct regardless. Surely what matters is that the argument I have presented is correct?

            Case 3

            I’m not a paid shill for the pharma companies, and I have written my piece based on what I think is a good honest evaluation of the facts and evidence. Of course, my arguments could still be wrong – I’m only human after all. So how does anyone tell if my argument is correct? Surely they would still have to examine my arguments to see if they are correct or not?
            In all three cases above, my status vis-à-vis being paid by the pharma industry or not is irrelevant: what is important is the data – if my piece is correct or not. It’s always the data that’s important, not my political affiliations, not who pays me, not my qualifications (or alleged lack thereof), not any other agenda I might have. Nothing about me is important. Only the data is important.

            Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. It’s a substitute for thinking. It’s also 100% flawed reasoning: you don’t arrive at the conclusion from the argument presented. The funny thing is, people on both sides of the political spectrum criticize the other side for this method of debate, and yet they don’t realize they do it themselves. For example, those on the left will rail at Karl Rove for smearing his opponents and yet they will be the first to criticize their opponents based purely on a connection to (say) a corporation and profits rather than to any actual wrongdoing.”

            Skeptico, piece on ad hominem.

            Do you have any actual evidence by the way?

          • nworder

            EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID

          • No, that’s an assertion.

          • eddysachs

            This statement… particularly frought with specious ersatz platitudes of a thoroughly disingenuous subjective nature, that is secretly seeking to aggrandize your HUGE ego…nothing more …you’re a special case of evil personified that is aiding & abetting the horror & torture of intentionally inflicted autism & paralysis et al …you’re also a control freak narcissist & I’ve come across your type many times in my life… a prostitute & a slave to a kakistocratic ponerology….& minion of the 0.01% …a Rockefeller puppet that works from NGO ‘s that supply you with this slick as s**t prevaricating & demeaning fabricated mendacity of psy-op/spin-doc colored balloons & visual cotton candy …essentially guilty of depraved indifference, malice of forethought, felonious assault, conspiracy to administer noxious substances, murder, torture, & Demo /Genocide et al .. as Crimes Against Humanity! ….as you hide behind your vague & inveigled sophistry…in short… an unrepentant socio/psychopath that gets a vicarious reptillian thrill from facilitating all of the pain & suffering of multi- thousands of children that will not ever have a normal life because of the toxic poisons that you’re peddling & selling ….exactly like J.D.Rockefeller’s father, the original snake oil salesman…But you’re a psychopath & mentally ill….one day you will pay the piper & I hope you remember these words when you finally forced to face the monstrous evil that you are a willing part of.

          • Because this isn’t a debate about red vs blue.

            This is a debate where the evidence points squarely in one direction.

            Evidence of this global conspiracy please?

          • eddysachs

            NO this is you grand standing on a proselytizers soap box …..pontificating drool

          • nworder

            Totally agree

          • eddysachs

            This full-blown blitzkrieg by these mercenary trolls & (probably Hasbra 4 Hire) shills for Pig pHARMa made it so obvious that people could see that they’re getting desperate …by this deluge of farcical & mendacious psy-op glitter/ picture food…ya just can’t eat it…you gave this the good fight too…these people are psychopath monsters, as you correctly have perceived.
            ..Love to put these trolls put in a room with some of the fathers whose children are paralyzed, autistic or severely mentally & physically compromised by their poison vaccines…paybacks gonna be a b*tch

          • eddysachs

            slick sophistry to those that can see through you & your specious BS

          • That’s my point:

            If you can see through my BS, rebut it. Payment doesn’t enter into that.

            Entirely appropriate to out me if I am being paid but that requires evidence so do it after rebutting.

          • HanzP

            The guy is following 1,048 people, he’s either a shill or a psychopath — possibly both. I would not waste your time, el Capitan — you got guru sh*t to be working on!

          • ciaparker2

            What a time-waster you are. I, unlike you, don’t get paid to do this and I have a lot of things I need to do.
            “Delay in DPT Vaccination is Associated with a Reduced Risk of Childhood Asthma,” Mc Donald KL, Huq SI, Lix LM, Becker AB, Kozyrskyj AL. Published in J Allergy Clin Immunol 2008 Mar; 121(3). PMID: 18207561. Among 11,531 children who received at least four doses of DPT, the risk of asthma was reduced to one half in children whose first dose of DPT was delayed by more than 2 months. The likelihood of asthma in children with delays in all three doses was 0.39 (95% CI, 0.18-0.86).
            It has been proven that the pertussis vaccine often causes autism. If the series is started at two months old, as it usually is, it results in one out of nine of those children developing asthma. The vaccine establishment knows this, but will not recognize it and will not permit the facts to alter the vaccination schedule. The vaccine will not protect infants at all. It may protect half of toddlers who get it. It may protect a quarter of school-aged children who get it. Is that good enough to risk asthma, allergies, seizure disorders, SIDS, and/or autism (etc.) by getting it? I wouldn’t think so, but the parent must be the judge. My eight-month old baby got pertussis after three DTaPs. It was very uncomfortable and long-lasting, but at her age, not dangerous, and she made a complete recovery.

          • FallsAngel

            How dare you say someone is being paid with absolutely no proof? And you just basically reposted an old post of yours.

          • AutismDadd

            A shill can be paid or not paid. Are you paid?

          • suz norkan

            Katia simply lacks logic and intellect but is too arrogant to realize it! She enjoys the ‘herd’ mentality of a good sheep! 😉

          • AutismDadd

            No doubt. As a nurse (retired) she misses her herd and thinks she’s found a new one. Hilarious how they turned on each other and justthefacts (twistthefacts) got banned.

          • nworder

            Surely you would not support baby deaths and vaccine injury without being paid.

            You work for cash to do something like this – who would do this kind of soul damming
            job for zero cash .

            All who live a lie (which is the way of life of a troll ) will end up in the lake of fire.

            REPENT – Dumb Dumb oops FallsAngel

          • FallsAngel

            Has nothing to do with Nom Dumb Disqus being paid to post. That’s character assassination, and cia knows that.

          • nworder

            DUMB DUMB – that skating outfit suits you

          • Most vaccine injury stories are just that.

          • nworder

            MOST STORIES THAT VACCINES WORK ARE JUST THAT !

          • Kevin

            I am new here but I am appalled as to how many posters accuse other posters of getting paid and not providing evidence,my mom told me years ago that only liars called other people liars,SORRY moderator for being off topic.

          • nworder

            IF you are a new troll on the block you will soon learn the ropes . Your mums wrong -eg Judges often call defendants liars since what they said was found out to be not truthful – are you then saying all judges who call defendants liars are also liars ??

            However if you are not a troll you will soon find out who the lying trolls are

          • Kevin

            actually there have been lying judges in the past however we are off topic here.have a nice day.

          • https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7a0eddd469d70f442fc9138566d6c4bb8c4ef72dad3f9fcb1be19987a0e16c9.gif 1)FAD for that shill gambit.

            2)I asked for PMid numbers.

            3)I will counter this stuff about SIDs etc every time you state it.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33e1b37eb7b5e8eb7232b71222fe95848215e84c12f4a4622d4e22251b14aba9.jpg

            “Delay in DPT Vaccination is Associated with a Reduced Risk of Childhood Asthma” Given that we use the Tdap/DTaP now, utterly irrelevant. Plus you do understand that associated =/= caustive, right?

            Conclusion of that paper by the way is this “We found a negative association between delay in administration of the first dose of whole-cell DPT immunization in childhood and the development of asthma; the association was greater with delays in all of the first 3 doses. The mechanism for this phenomenon requires further research.” Explain that in your own words, cia. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/979a7591fcb9d270e9da429faad9e056962f7a4c458cd8a346b0384bb30b2c13.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e53e10ec95cec122a3a70f45ec44cea0a874b0a2fcf2932692272e171ffa6a19.pn https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ba862a798adfe66e2dfe7db74851238c6ac7cf5257048e6150635712b34b3d5.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c130cc76eddfc381705d7df2933291f86edfba653b15beef3bb6a93b92945cdd.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b546789ba4acaa5ec6cbf9bb9ca3669923c72d6951331b8d5cf36bf72d7e2742.jpg

          • AutismDadd

            Wow a graph. Don’t see them every day.

          • suz norkan

            She’s ridiculous!

          • nworder

            AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT MORTALITY RATE NOW
            THE GRAPH PROVES NOTHING SINCE NEARLY ALL COUNTRIES HAD FALLING INFANT DEATH RATES IN THIS PERIOD

            THE IMPROVEMENT IN HEALTH WAS CLEARLY SANITATION AND NUTRITION AND BETTER LIVING CONDITIONS – NOT VACCINATION .

            THE IMPROVEMENT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE VACCINATION SINCE FEW WERE JABBED WITH 50 TIMES IN THE 1950’S

          • nworder

            AMERICA HAS HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD
            DUMB DUMB includes nations under war , famine , drought to fiddle the figures.

            UK Scraps Pneumonia Vaccines Because They ‘Don’t Work’

            by Dr. Mercola

            The United States requires infants to receive 26 vaccines (the most in the world) yet more than 6 U.S. infants die per every 1,000 live births. In contrast, Sweden and Japan administer 12 vaccines to infants, the least amount, and report less than 3 deaths per 1,000 live births.

            The study also found evidence that some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may actually be vaccine-related.

            According to a recent press release:

            The current study by Miller and Goldman, “Infant Mortality Rates Regressed Against Number of Vaccine Doses Routinely Given: Is There a Biochemical or Synergistic Toxicity?” found a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates.This raises an important question: Would fewer vaccines administered to infants reduce the number of infant deaths?

            Other study findings:

            The United States spends more per capita on healthcare than any other country; yet 33 nations have better infant mortality rates. Some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may be due to over-vaccination.

            Progress on reducing infant deaths should include monitoring immunization schedules and official causes of death (to determine if vaccine-related infant deaths are being reclassified). Infant mortality rates will remain high in developing nations that cannot provide clean water, proper nutrition, improved sanitation, and better access to health care.
            At times it is later revealed that vaccines are not even effective. For instance, pneumonia vaccinations for people over 65 are soon to be halted by the UK government, on the grounds that the injections do not save lives.

            Millions of people were injected with the vaccine, which was supposed to offer ten-year protection against an infection that causes pneumonia. But independent expert government advisors say the program has had ‘no discernible impact’ on rates of pneumococcal disease. According to the Daily Mail:

          • eddysachs

            Yes you are Lying…get drunk….take all your clothes off…& then go play ‘chicken’ with the oncoming cars on the closest freeway tonight…… & do us all a BIG favor

          • eddysachs

            complete 100% BS

          • Mike Stevens

            Lying again, Cia?

            “Delay in DPT Vaccination is Associated with a Reduced Risk of Childhood Asthma”
            I have carefully explained how this paper was shown to have left significant confounding variables unaccounted for. For instance the commonest reason for delay in DTP was because of an intercurrent infection. But we know that some natural infections reduce the risk of asthma (hygiene hypothesis and all that). So the reason for their finding [which is contrary to most other scientists’ findings, btw] was plikely explained by the fact that the late vaccinated kids were already preselected as those less likely to develop asthma.

            “Unexpectedly Limited Durability of Immunity Following Acellular
            Pertussis Vaccination in Preadolescents in a North American Outbreak”

            Again, I have explained to you before how this one study was unexpected. It is an outlier. Usually duration of vaccine immunity is much longer – even sources like Cochrane have stated this.

            So why pick just one study out of the dozens of others? A study of 171 cases, compared to the studies with tens of thousands of cases???
            Because you wish to deliberately mislead others, that’s why.
            You are quite shameless in your dedication to corrupt science and decieve others. You are a liar.

          • ciaparker2

            I think what we’ve got here is one honest study getting through, when nearly all or all of the others have caved to the pressure to give the pharma masters what they want. But regardless of that, you know that the acellular vaccine is very ineffective. Everyone knows that. That’s why there was a pertussis outbreak four years ago, there were over 48,000 diagnosed cases of pertussis in the US, and a lot more undiagnosed, they said that most were appropriately vaxxed, but I doubt that’s true. Why would adults get dangerous, ineffective pertussis boosters for a mild disease?

            I think it’s the one honest study. Now why do you lie, propping up all the pathetic made-to-order studies commissioned by the pharma companies? Have you no shame, no guilt? Sorry, silly question.

          • shay simmons

            It has been proven that the pertussis vaccine often causes autism.

            Who has proved it and where is this research published?

          • David Silbernagel

            Your not interested in anything other then propaganda from the pharmaceutical companies. Facts known you propably have skin in the game

          • AutismDadd

            Yea you’re a graph guy not a book guy. Great spam by the way.

          • suzyqtou

            AND ANOTHER GRAPH!! YAY!!!

          • suz norkan

            She [dumb dumb] DOES love to spam since she’s too witless to think for herself!

          • Ron Roy

            Column on the left.ALL part of the MEDICAL MAFIA. You know that criminal organization run by the pharmaceutical companies.You should add WHALE / VACCINE to the column on the right. The info there is free. Hundreds of papers, studies. anecdotes, personal observations / experiences by good honest doctors, scientists, medical researchers etc who have no ties to the MEDICAL MAFIA.

          • ciaparker2

            The article I cited has a passage from Dr. Randall Neustaedter’s superb book The Vaccine Guide, with summaries of several studies which showed how much more common asthma was in those who had gotten the pertussis vaccine than in those who had not. There is also the Manitoba study, which I mentioned, showing that giving the pertussis vaccine at two months doubles autism rate in seven year olds compared to waiting two months to start the series.

            Medscape dot org viewarticle 572891

            I put this information up to inform the concerned reader: you are paid to trash every word I say and drag it out for days or weeks. I have other things to do. The interested reader is encouraged to trust his instincts and research the issue carefully before letting his or her children any vaccine. Look at The Vaccine Guide or Dr. Mayer Eisenstein’s Make an Informed Vaccine Decision, also Vaccine Epidemic, before doing anything. And then ask why many of the commenters on sites like this follow vaccine critics from site to site all over the Internet, shouting Lie! at every word out of our mouths, and do it full time. And draw the obvious conclusions.

          • eddysachs

            luv yer 4 little trolls that follow you around

          • shay simmons

            Would that be naturopath and acupuncturist (not a doctor) Randall Neustaedter who was arrested for sexually assaulting a client?

          • Mike Stevens

            “ask why many of the commenters on sites like this follow vaccine critics
            from site to site all over the Internet, shouting Lie! at every word
            out of our mouths, and do it full time. And draw the obvious
            conclusions.”

            The obvious reason? Because they are lies, that’s why.
            Nobody pays me to comment on Disqus articles. I just can’t abide seeing people like you “all over the internet” lying all the time about vaccines, and feel I need to counter your disinformation and antivaccine propaganda, that’s all.

          • eddysachs

            TROLL

          • Mike Stevens

            Thanks for your erudite contribution to the discussion, eddy.

          • Evidence we do it full-time, Cia?

            Oh and… wonder no more: .I follow you on disqus because I feel the need to keep an eye on your nonsense and counteract it for the lurkers.

          • FallsAngel

            Ditto!

          • FallsAngel

            If you have other things to do then get off the internet and do them.

          • FallsAngel

            “you (Dumb Dumb) are paid to trash every word I say and drag it out for days or weeks.”

            Slander.

          • Evidence, ciaparker, for that shill gambit please.

            Baseless ones get flagged and downvoted.

          • No, Cia, there are lots of claims there that vaccines caused their kid’s asthma. Big difference.

          • AutismDadd

            There were lots of claims about Wakefield. Accusations not facts.

          • eddysachs

            4 little trolls of mad hatter sycophants

          • AutismDadd

            Yea but Dumb has graphs!!!

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Anecdote does not equal evidence. The reality is that vaccination has essentially zero linkage to atopic illnesses.

          • nworder

            ITS DUMB DUMB WITH ANOTHER ANOTHER FALSE IDENTITY.

            I will choose anecdote any day to thousands of faked research papers .

            What about millions of “anecdotes ” from vaccine damaged families .

          • And your evidence is?

          • ciaparker2

            Rosenlund H, Bergstrom A, et al. Allergic disease and atopic sensitization in children in relation to
            measles vaccination and measles infection Pediatrics 2009 Mar; 123(3): 771-78. Children who contract measles
            are significantly less likely to develop allergies than children who are
            vaccinated against measles. 10,000 European children in five countries who HAD
            had natural measles were much less likely to develop symptoms of respiratory or
            skin allergies (OR=0.64) or to have an allergy diagnosed by a doctor (OR=0.51)
            than children who had never had measles. Those who had been vaccinated and
            never had measles were much more likely to develop rhinotracheitis than
            children not vaxxed who never got natural measles. (OR=1.70)

            Same findings, different study: Shaheen SO, Aaby P, et al. Measles and atopy in Guinea-Bissau. Lancet 1996 Jun 29; 347(9018): 1792-96. 262 subjects in
            Guinea-Bissau: those who had had natural measles were much less likely to have
            allergies than those who had been vaxxed and had not gotten measles (OR=0.36).

            Kucukosmanoglu E, Cetinkaya F, et al. Frequency of allergic diseases following measles. Allergol Immunopathol (Madr) 2006 Jul-Aug; 34(4): 146-49. Children
            with a history of measles are significantly less likely to develop allergies
            than children without a history of measles. Children who had gotten measles
            were much less likely to react to dust mites or require ER treatment for asthma
            attacks. Children who had not gotten natural measles were much more likely to
            need an inhaled corticosteroid for the control of asthma.

            Also: Kuyucu S, Saraçlar Y, et al. Determinants
            of atopic sensitization in Turkish school children: effects of pre- and
            post-natal events and maternal atopy. Pediatr
            Allergy Immunol 2004 Feb; 15(1): 62-71. Same findings as previous one.
            History of natural measles significantly protective against dust mite allergy.

            Silverberg JI, et al, Chickenpox
            in childhood is associated with decreased atopic disorders, IgE, allergic
            senstiztion, and leukocyte subsets. Pediatr
            Allergy Immunol 2012 Feb; 23(1): 50-58. Children who get chickenpox much
            less likely to get asthma and allergies than children vaxxed against
            chickenpox. 100 children under 8 who had had chickenpox compared to 323
            children vaxxed for chickenpox. Those who had had chickenpox were much less
            likely than CP vaxxed children to get asthma (OR=0.12), allergic
            rhinotracheitis (OR=0.16), and atopic dermatitis (OR=0.57). Those who had had
            chickenpox had much lower total serum IgE levels than vaxxed children (these
            levels are elevated in those with allergies). Natural chickenpox decreased
            allergic sensitization by 89% (OR=0.11).

            Alm JS, et al, Atopy
            in children of families with an anthroposophic lifestyle, Lancet 1999 (May 1; 353(9163): 1485-88. (Anthroposophic
            means few or no antibiotics or vaccines.) 295 anthroposophic children 5-13
            compared to 380 age-matched controls. Anthroposophic children had much lower
            prevalence of allergies, asthma, dermatitis, and allergic rhinoconjunctivitis
            (OR=0.62). Those who had never had the MMR had fewer allergies (OR=0.67)

            Floistrup H, et al. Allergic
            disease and sensitization in Steiner school children. J Allergy Clin Immunol Jan; 117(1): 59-66. 4,606 anthroposophic
            lifestyle compared to 2,024 controls. Those who got MMR much more likely to get
            rhinotracheitis. Natural measles infection reduced risk of eczema.

            Kondo N, Fukutomi O, et al. Improvement
            of food-sensitive atopic dermatitis accompanies by reduced lymphocyte responses
            to food antigen following natural measles virus infection. Clin Exp Allergy 1993 Jan; 23(1): 44-50.
            Several children with a food-sensitive allergic skin disease had a clear
            improvement in their symptoms after they contracted measles.

            McKeever TM. Vaccination
            and allergic disease: a birth cohort study. Am J Public Health 2004 June; 94(6): 985-89. Those who got DPPT or
            MMR much more likely to get asthma and eczema. DPPT children FOURTEEN times
            more likely than unvaxxed children to get asthma (hazard ratio 14) and 9.4
            times more likely to get eczema. MMR children 3.5 times more likely to get
            asthma and 4.6 times more likely to get eczema.

            Hurwitz EL, Effects
            of DPT or tetanus vaccination on allergies and allergy-related respiratory
            symptoms among children and adolescents in the US. J Manipulative Physical Ther 2000 Feb; 23(2): 81-90. Vaxxed
            children twice as likely to get asthma and 63% more likely to be diagnosed with
            allergy-related respiratory symptom in previous 12 months.

            Odent MR, et al. Pertussis
            vaccination and asthma: Is there a link? JAMA 1994; 272(8): 592-93. (letter) 446 children around 8 years old
            who had gotten only breast milk in the first six months and nursed for over a
            year. In the 243 children who had gotten a pertussis shot, 10.7% had asthma,
            compared with 2% of those not vaxxed.

            Bersen RM, Nagelkerke NJ, et al. Reported pertussis infection and risk of atopy in 8- to 12-year-old
            vaccinated and non-vaccinated children. Pediatr
            Allergy Immunol 2008 Feb; 19(1): 46-52. Children vaccinated against
            pertussis were significantly more likely than unvaccinated children to develop
            asthma, hay fever, and food allergies. This study evaluated an association
            between pertussis infection and allergic diseases by dividing 1,882 8-12 year
            old children into two groups that were either pertussis-vaccinated or pertussis
            unvaccinated in the first year of life. Pertussis-vaccinated children were more
            than twice as likely as petussis unvaccinated children to have asthma
            (OR=2.24), hay fever (OR=2.35), and food allergies (OR=2.68).

            Kemp T, Pearce N, et al. Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?
            Epidemiology 1997 Nov; 8(6): 678-80.
            In New Zealand, researchers investigated 1,265 children and discovered that of
            those who received diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis and polio vaccines, 23% had
            episodes of asthma while 30% had consultations for other allergic illness.
            Children who did not receive these vaccines had no recorded asthma episodes or
            consultations for allergic illness.

            McDonald KL, Huq SI, et al. Delay in DPT vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood
            asthma. J Allergy Clin Immunol
            2008 Mar; 121(3): 626-31. Getting the pertussis vaccine later than recommended
            greatly decreased incidence of asthma. 11,531 Canadian children were the
            subjects. In those children who did not get the vaccine at two months old but
            delayed at least two months, the risk of asthma was reduced by half. Risk
            declined even further in children who delayed all three initial doses. In those
            who started at two months old, asthma at seven years old in 13.8%. Those who
            started at three months old, 10.3% got asthma. Those who started at 4 months
            old, 9.1% got asthma. Those who delayed
            more than four months of age, 5.9%. (This obviously means that the thousands of
            children who die from asthma every year died because they got the pertussis
            vaccine very early, meaning when recommended by the medical industry.)

            Bremmer SA, Carey IM, et al. Timing of routine immunizations and subsequent hay fever risk. Arch DIs Child 2005; 90: 567-73.
            Children who delayed pertussis, MMR, or BCG shots beyond the recommended age
            (by the medical cartel) were significantly less likely to develop hay fever.
            Two large UK databases of more than 116,000 children examined to look at how
            timing affected incidence of hay fever. Those who delayed the first DPT shot
            until after 1 year old had a 40% reduced risk of developing hay fever compared
            to children vaxxed by 5 months of age as recommended (OR=0.60). Those who
            delayed MMR until after 2 years old had 38% reduced risk of developing hay
            fever as compared to children vaxxed by 14 months of age as recommended
            (OR=0.62). Children who got BCG shot before second birthday had a much greater
            risk of hay fever compared to children who never got it or got it later
            (OR=1.34).

          • nworder

            EXCELLENT STUFF – MAKES DUMB DUMB LOOK EVEN DUMBER

          • ciaparker2

            Thank you. It’s not hard to do. They’re just jerking in their St. Vitus’ dance ever more frantically, desperately playing for time. They know they’re done for.

          • FallsAngel

            Oh, for God’s sake, cia!

          • Verboten

            Why don’t you address what was in cia’s post? Quite a bit in there, interested in hearing your refutation.

          • FallsAngel

            Check my posts. This has all been addressed before. She just reposts the same old, same old.

          • Because we’ve been trying to convince for 200 years? Oh wait, nope.

          • shay simmons

            Rosenlund, Bergstrom, et al:

            In the whole group of children, atopic sensitization was inversely associated with measles infection, and a similar tendency was seen for measles vaccination. To reduce risks of disease-related modification of exposure, children who reported symptoms of wheezing and/or eczema debuting during first year of life were excluded from some analyses. After this exclusion, inverse associations were observed between measles infection and “any allergic symptom” and “any diagnosis of allergy by a physician.” However, no associations were found between measles vaccination and allergic disease.

            There’s a reason you don’t cite the entire abstract, cia.

          • shay simmons

            Shaheen, et al “We conducted a historical cohort study in Bandim, a semi-rural district of Bissau, the capital of Guinea-Bissau. 395 young adults, first surveyed in 1978-80 aged 0-6 years, were followed up in 1994. Our analyses were restricted to 262 individuals still living in Bandim for whom a measles history, documented in childhood, was judged to be reliable. We defined atopy as skin-prick test positivity (> or = 3 mm weal) to one or more of seven allergens.”

            So, they only tested children who had the measles, not children who were vaccinated.

          • shay simmons

            Kucukosmanoglu et al “Fifty-two children hospitalized in our clinic with measles were compared with 51 children without measles.

            They did no comparisons with children who had been vaccinated.

          • nworder

            MEASLES VACCINATION KILLS OVER 100 IN THE LAST TEN YEARS
            WILD MEASLES KILLED NO ONE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS

          • shay simmons

            Wild measles killed over 300 people per day in 2015 — just not in the US. In the US, Dr Vincent Ianelli gives the statistcs for wild measles deaths since 2000 with figures from the National Bureau of Vital Statistics(pediatrics dot about dot com slash od slash measles slash fl slash Measles dash Deaths dot htm):

            “Measles deaths are thought to occur in about 1 in every 500 to 1,000 cases. This is not just in developing countries or in people with chronic medical conditions. Consider that in an outbreak in the United States from 1989 to 1991, amid 55,622 cases, there were 123 deaths.

            More recently, measles cases and measles deaths in the United States include:

            2000 – 86 cases – 1 measles death (infant) (endemic spread of measles eliminated in U.S.)
            2001 – 116 cases – 1 measles death
            2002 – 44 cases
            2003 – 55 cases – 1 measles death (1 year old))
            2004 – 37 cases (record low number of measles cases)
            2005 – 66 cases – 1 measles death (1 year old)
            2006 – 55 cases
            2007 – 43 cases
            2008 – 140 cases
            2009 – 71 cases – 2 measles deaths
            2010 – 61 cases – 2 measles deaths
            2011 – 220 cases
            2012 – 55 cases – 2 measles deaths
            2013 – 189 cases (large outbreak in New York City – 58 cases)
            2014 – 644 cases so far (the worst year for measles since 1994, including the largest single outbreak since the endemic spread of measles was eliminated – 377 cases in Ohio)
            2015 – got off to a strong start with a big outbreak in California – 1 death

            So that’s 11 measles deaths since 2000 and at least 8 measles deaths since 2005.”

            Then there’s SSPE:

            “Lately, in addition to deaths from acute measles infections, there have been even more deaths from subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE).

            About 6 to 8 years after having measles, children with SSPE develop progressive neurological symptoms, including memory loss, behavior changes, uncontrollable movements, and even seizures. As symptoms progress, they may become blind, develop stiff muscles, become unable to walk, and eventually deteriorate to a persistent vegetative state.

            Children with SSPE usually die within 1 to 3 years of first developing symptoms.

            2000 – 5 SSPE deaths
            2001 – 2 SSPE deaths
            2002 – 5 SSPE deaths
            2003 – 0
            2004 – 1 SSPE death
            2005 – 2 SSPE deaths
            2006 – 3 SSPE deaths
            2007 – 3 SSPE deaths
            2008 – 3 SSPE deaths
            2009 – 2 SSPE deaths
            2010 – 0
            2011 – 4 SSPE deaths
            2012 – 1 SSPE death
            2013 – 1 SSPE death
            2014 – 0
            2015 – 0
            That’s 32 SSPE deaths since 2000 and at least 19 SSPE deaths since 2005. Why so many? Many of them can likely be attributed to the large number of cases associated with measles outbreaks from 1989 to 1991.

            Fortunately, as the number of measles cases has been dropping in the post-vaccine era, so have the number of SSPE deaths.

            The National Registry for SSPE, reported that there were at least 453 cases between 1960 and 1976. There were 225 deaths from SSPE between 1979 and 1998. The registry wasn’t established until 1969 though, and it is now becoming clear that the risk of developing SSPE is much higher than once thought.”

            (The most recent study, published this month, puts SSPE at closer to 1 per every thousand. You can google for “Study: Fatal measles complication not as rare as previously thought” by Melissa Jenco).

            So that I can verify your numbers, please provide links/names for the100 deaths from MMR — VAERS #s will suffice.

          • nworder

            SHAY IS MAKING UP FIGURES
            MEASLES VACCINE KILLS 108 PER CDC
            NOBODY KILLED BY WILD MEASLES .

            GLOBAL RESEARCH :-
            Parents concerned about their vaccinated children potentially contracting measles from unvaccinated children may want to consider the fact that the bigger health threat is technically the vaccine, not the disease itself. Comparative data provided by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) reveal that NOBODY has died from measles in more than 10 years, while at least 108 deaths reported in VAERS during the same time frame have been linked to measles vaccines.

            Many of our older readers probably remember a time when measles wasn’t viewed with the obscene level of paranoid hysterics being witnessed today. Like chickenpox, measles was a common childhood infection that, after running its typically mild course, imparted lifelong immunity in those who contracted it. The risk of serious complications or death from measles has always been overwhelmingly minimal, in other words, with previous generations viewing it as something of a rite of passage.

          • shay simmons

            I provided you with the links; go there and disprove the original figures — if you can.

            (I won’t hold my breath).

          • What does the very first page of VAERs say?

          • shay simmons

            Kuyucu et al “Day care attendance, highpaternal education level, male gender and maternal asthma weresignificant risk factors for atopy. Breastfeeding more than 6 months(compared with 0–6 months), maternal smoking during pregnancy anda birth weight under 2500 g were inversely related to (or protectivefactors for) atopic sensitization. Maternal atopic disease had significanteffects on risk factors pattern. In children with a maternal atopy historya low birth weight, day care attendance and maternal smoking duringthe first year of life independently increased the risk of atopic sensiti-zation. Gender, breastfeeding and paternal education did not show anyassociation with atopy in this group of children. A history of measles and low gestational age were significant protective factors for mitesensitization. This study showed that children of atopic mothers showeda different profile of risk factors associated with atopic sensitization,when compared with other children. Prenatal and early childhoodevents had important associations with atopic sensitization.”

            Why didn’t you list all of the other factors that were included or excluded, cia?

          • nworder

            VACCINATION CAN CAUSE ALL OF THE ABOVE AND MORE

          • shay simmons

            I would like to read the research papers from which you derived this information. Can you provide titles?

          • nworder

            DONT LISTEN TO SHAY AN UNEDUCATED TROLL – HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT WHETHER YOU LIVE OR DIE – ONLY ABOUT HIS TROLL CASH
            LISTEN TO DOCTORS ON THE FRONT LINE :-

            “The vaccinations are not working and they are dangerous. We should be working with nature.” – Dr. Lendon Smith, MD

            “There is no scientific evidence that vaccinations are of any benefit, but it is clear that they cause a great deal of harm.” – Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD

            “All vaccines are and have been causing ischemic (impaired blood flow) damages – to all – creating a plethora of chronic illnesses, disease, and in some instances, death. The injury from vaccination is additive; each vaccination further injures.” – Dr. Andrew Moulden MD, PhD

            “When you impair the brain blood flow by vaccination you can impair the respiration control center which can result in death. We call it SIDS.” – Dr. Andrew Moulden MD, PhD

            “Vaccination is the most dangerous medical practice in the history of classical medicine.” – Dr. Sladjana Velkov (Macedonia)

          • shay simmons

            LISTEN TO DOCTORS ON THE FRONT LINE :-

            Lendon Smith — died fifteen years ago, so no longer on the front line, is he?
            Andrew Moulden — is not actually licensed to practice medicine anywhere, so not on the front line, is he?
            Sladjana Velkov — promotes sunshine, walking barefoot, raw food and coffee enemas as cures for everything. She’s certainly on the front line of something, but it isn’t medicine.

          • nworder

            HERE’S SOME MORE DOCTORS FOR YOU TO SPREAD THE DIRT ON you pathetic troll :-

            PS I would certainly promote sunshine – it keeps my vit D levels high and this is important for all illness avoidance.

            “Our children face the possibility of death or serious long-term adverse effects from mandated vaccines that aren’t necessary or that have very limited benefits.” — Jane M. Orient, M.D., Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) executive director.

            “My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the United States each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given children. The pertussis vaccine is the most likely villain, but it could also be one or more of the others.” –Dr. Mendelsohn, M.D.

            “When I was training, one in 2,500 [children were autistic]. Now it is one in 250. At the moment, the only logical explanation for this is MMR.” — Dr Kenneth Aitken, British specialist in the treatment of autism. (The Telegraph, United Kingdom, April 2, 2002)

            “By the (U.S.) government’s own admission, there has been a 41% failure rate in persons who were previously vaccinated against the (measles) virus.” — Dr. Anthony Morris, John Chriss, BG Young, “Occurrence of Measles in Previously Vaccinated Individuals,” 1979; presented at a meeting of the American Society for Microbiology at Fort Detrick, Maryland, April 27, 1979.

            “In 1993 a high court judge in the UK decided that it was impossible to know the exact contents of vaccines and that science had no idea what the cocktail of chemicals, contaminants and heavy metals contained in vaccines could do to the human body, or why they would work to prevent disease.” — British Medical Journal, 1993.

            “There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them, anyway.” — Dr. J. Anthony Morris (formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the US Federal Drug Admin.)

            “There is insufficient evidence to support routine vaccination of healthy persons of any age.” –Paul Frame, M.D., Journal of Family Practice

            “Our results suggest that infants whose mothers are born since measles vaccine licensure in 1963 are significantly more susceptible to measles than are infants of older mothers and that the risk of measles increases incrementally with each year increase in the maternal year of birth.” — “Increased susceptibility to measles in infants in the United States “, Pediatrics 1999 (Nov); 104 (5): e59

            The strong association between vaccination with RRV-TV and intussusception among otherwise healthy infants supports the existence of a causal relation. — Intussusception among infants given an oral rotavirus vaccine, Murphy TV, et al. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, N Engl J Med. 2001 Feb 22;344(8):564-72

            “Delay of DPT immunization until 2 years of age in Japan has resulted in a dramatic decline in adverse side effects. In the period of 1970-1974, when DPT vaccination was begun at 3 to 5 months of age, the Japanese national compensation system paid out claims for 57 permanent severe damage vaccine cases, and 37 deaths. During the ensuing six year period 1975-1980, when DPT injections were delayed to 24 months of age, severe reactions from the vaccine were reduced to a total of eight with three deaths. This represents an 85 to 90 percent reduction in severe cases of damage and death.” –Raymond Obomsawin, Ph.D.

            “Autism may be a disorder linked to the disruption of the G-alpha protein, affecting retinoid receptors in the brain. A study of sixty autistic children suggests that autism may be caused by inserting a G-alpha protein defect, the pertussis toxin found in the D.P.T. vaccine, into genetically at-risk children.” –Mary N. Megson, M.D.

            “My data proves that the studies used to support immunization are so flawed that it is impossible to say if immunization provides a net benefit to anyone or to society in general. This question can only be determined by proper studies which have never been performed. The flaw of previous studies is that there was no long term follow up and chronic toxicity was not looked at. The American Society of Microbiology has promoted my research…and thus acknowledges the need for proper studies.” –John B.Classen, M.D., M.B.A

            “These data show that DPT vaccination may be a generally unrecognized major cause of sudden infant and early childhood death, and that the risks of immunization may outweigh its potential benefits. A need for re-evaluation and possible modification of current vaccination procedures is indicated by this study.” –William C. Torch, M.D., Director of Child Neurology, Department of Pediatrics, University of Nevada School of Medicine

            “The (Illinois) department followed the recommendation of a panel of experts, its Immunization Advisory Committee, while rejecting the advice of others who thought the decision should be left to parents and pediatricians. But in what critics consider a conflict of interest, 5 of the committee’s 18 members have financial ties to Merck, which makes the chickenpox vaccine. Two members of the committee have given talks for Merck, receiving up to $750 per speech. A third member directs a nonprofit group that has received $20,000 in grant money from the company. And two other members own stock in Merck, including one who has owned as much as $16,000 worth.” – (Sun Times, January 27, 2002)

            “Vaccination is not necessary, not useful, does not protect. There are twice as many casualties from vaccination as from AIDS.” –Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, West Germany, specialist of internal diseases and participant in about 150 trials of vaccination victims.

            “The public is surely entitled to convincing proof, beyond all reasonable doubt, that artificial immunization is in fact a safe and effective procedure, in no way injurious to health, and that the threat of the corresponding natural diseases remain sufficiently clear and urgent to warrant mass inoculation of everyone, even against their will if necessary. Unfortunately, such proof has never been given.” –Richard Moskowitz, M.D., Journal of the American Institute of Homeopathy, March 1983 (76:7)

            “Sudden Infant Death Syndrome has been reported following administration of DPT. The significance is unclear. 85% of SIDS cases occur in the period 1 through 6 months of age, with the peak incidence at age 2 to 4 months.” –From the accompanying insert to Connaught Labs DPT shot.

          • shay simmons

            Not spreading any dirt — information all of these individuals can easily be found for those who bother to check. You obviously don’t — you just copy/paste whatever someone else tells you. I’d especially to point out that Paul Frame, MD, has all of his articles from the Journal of Family Practice listed on the University of Rochester website — and none of them are about vaccines.

            So, who are all of individuals you claim are doctors on the front lines?

            You mentioned Mendelsohn again — not a doctor. Moskowitz, not a doctor. Obomsawin, not a doctor. Anthony Morris, not a doctor, Aitken, died 2009 but not until having to resign from his hospital post and (later and for a different reason) being censured by the British Psychological Society for inappropriate and unprofessional treatment of one of his autistic patients. Buchwald, retired 1990, so no longer a doctor (also dead).

            Current practitioners are William C. Torch, who is primarily a sleep researcher. John Classen, also a researcher (moreover, one whose results can’t be replicated) Mary Megson, who believes autism can be cured with cod liver oil, Jane Orient, head of AAPS, the medical equivalent of the John Birch Society.

            The researchers who discussed the link between the RRV-TV vaccine and intussusception? That’s why that vaccine was recalled and hasn’t been used since 1999.

          • nworder

            MENDELSOHN WAS A DOCTOR – WHY ARE YOU LYING SO BLATANTLY
            ARE YOU A DOCTOR – NO – YET YOU MOUTH OFF ON EVERY SUBJECT UNDER THE SUN – YOU ARE AN UNEMPLOYABLE TROLL DONT FORGET

            Dr Robert Mendelsohn received his Doctor of Medicine degree from the University of Chicago in 1951.
            For 12 years he was an instructor at Northwest University Medical College, and an additional 12 years served as Associtae Professor of Pediatrics and Community Health and Preventive Medicine at the University of Illinois College of Medicine.
            He was also President of the National Health Federation, former National Director of Project Head Starts Medical Consultation Service, and Chairman of the Medical Licensing Comittee of the State of Illinois.

          • shay simmons

            And he’s been dead for thirty years (ironically enough, he didn’t believe in coronary bypass surgery and died of cardiac arrest).

            I really love your references to doctors who are “on the front lines.”

          • nworder

            THE FAKE DOCTOR JENNER WHO “INVENTED” VACCINATION AND KILLED HIS WON SON WITH SMALLPOX VACCINATION AND IS STILL TAUGHT ABOUT IN MEDICAL SCHOOLS – HE WILL BE YOUR HERO NO DOUBT

            HE’S BEEN DEAD FOR 193 YEARS – LOL HEHEEEHE E E HAHA HHA

          • shay simmons

            Misinformation typed in all caps (and mis-spelled) is still misinformation.

          • shay simmons

            ,PS I would certainly promote sunshine – it keeps my vit D levels high and this is important for all illness avoidance.

            How do you feel about the medical virtues of coffee enemas?

          • Depends what we’re comparing them to, doesn’t it? I mean, if you’re going to stick something up your kids’ butt, coffee is one of the less-bad options.

          • shay simmons

            I just don’t understand why you’d want to traumatize your kids for no reason, though. But you’re right, it’s certainly a better option than MMS.

            Kind of like the choice between being hanged or shot.

          • Neither do I. But if you insist on doing so, I don’t think we need to take your kid away because you failed at teaching them how coffee works. MMS, on the other hand….yeah…this is pretty much you stating outright that you’re not a fit parent.

            General yous, not you-you.

            Compared to MMS, all the coffee-enema people have against them is that they’re not quite sure what the correct orifice is.

          • FallsAngel

            Yes, but. . . if you give too many enemas, you can mess up the person’s large intestine and sphincter.

          • nworder

            ONE VACCINE SHOT CAN MESS UP YOUR HEALTH FOR LIFE OR EVEN KILL YOU

            DITRH :-
            POLIO VACCINE HOAX :-

            Vaccines ARE Genocide
            Vaccines are one of the biggest crimes against humanity.
            Vaccines are one of the biggest crimes against humanity. They are not given to protect us but rather to make us weak, stupid and sick so to be slaves to the Big Pharma medical system.

            Most peoples reaction to that comment is, “what about the polio vaccine that saved us all from that horrible disease”?

            The truth is Polio like all viruses follows a bell curve and was 90% gone when the Salk vaccine was introduced. Polio reportedly died off after the vaccine was mandated.

            What you weren’t told is that Polio was following the same curve in other countries that DID NOT vaccinate and it ALSO went away there. There was actually a JUMP up in the number of Polio cases in the USA after the introduction of the vaccine.

            After that anyone showing symptoms was then diagnosed with Meningitis rather than Polio. It’s all a big BULLSHIT production to engrain in the population a belief that vaccines are necessary to live on earth and if you don’t take them you are a horrible person.

            That couldn’t be farther from the truth. The

            CDC recently admitted that in 98 MILLION polio vaccines they gave out in the USA had
            the SV-40 virus better known as the cancer virus in them. SV-40 is suspected to be responsible for the vast majority of all
            cancer currently in our population.

            Polio virus responsible for over 55,000 cases a year of Lymphoma.

            Big Pharma is only here to make its share holders profits. There is no profit in a cure. Think about this, why, other than antibiotics which are slowly becoming useless, are there NO MEDICINES over the counter or prescription that CURE ANYTHING?

            When a treatment is discovered that cures a dis-ease THEY ARE SUPPRESSED AND DESTROYED.

            The researchers are either bought off and given a non disclosure order or they remarkably die unexpectedly.

            Here’s how it works: You are the CEO of a multi national Big Pharma conglomerate. You have two labs working on a treatment for some dis-ease that a huge portion of the world population is going to suffer from.

            Probably brought on by some time bomb vaccine they got earlier in life. One lab comes up with a pill that is patentable, costs fractions of a penny to make, can be sold for a high price. It will treat the symptoms of the dis-ease very effectively but the person has to take it for the rest of their life.

            Very possibly it will have a slight “side effect” or two but your company has another medication that can be sold to treat that, which probably will have another side effect………(you know where I am going).

          • FallsAngel

            “The truth is Polio like all viruses follows a bell curve and was 90%
            gone when the Salk vaccine was introduced. Polio reportedly died off
            after the vaccine was mandated.”

            That is totally untrue. The biggest polio epidemic in the US was in 1952, as the vaccine was being developed. 57,879 cases reported (and remember, only about 5% of polio cases are even symptomatic, let alone bad enough to require a doctor’s visit), 21,269 of those paralytic. If we consider 1% of cases paralytic (actual figure is 0.1% to 2%), this means there were about 2,000,000 cases that year. The year before the vaccine was introduced, 1954, there were 38,476 cases, of which 18,308 were paralytic. Again, using the 1% figure, that means about 1,800,000 cases.
            Sources: post polio dot org; kids health dot org /en/parents/polio

          • Well, it should be easy for you to show us a polio incidence chart with cases dropping before the vaccines then.

            Hint: Morbidity =/= mortality.

          • nworder

            THIS IS HOW THEY FIDDLED THE GREAT POLIO HOAX – THEY GAVE IT A DIFFERENT NAME – LIKE BILL GATES DID IN INDIA

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7778d7d8e5f410c956a248883288d4261c9891944e291cb6aaa3b0c103989cb4.jpg

          • Ummm….how is this evidence of being fiddled?

          • nworder

            STOP TEASING EVEN YOU ARE NOT THAT STUPID – WELL MAYBE ………..

            They called polio AFP so the cases of polio would drop – when it is actually the same disease

          • That is an assertion.

          • Mike Stevens

            “The truth is Polio like all viruses follows a bell curve and was 90%
            gone when the Salk vaccine was introduced. Polio reportedly died off
            after the vaccine was mandated.”

            How does that accord with the other main antivaccine meme that: “Polio hasn’t gone away.. they just renamed the disease”.

            One group of you antivaxers must be lying.
            Is it the “Polio gas gone” faction, which includes you, or the “Polio is still all around us but is called other things” faction?

          • nworder

            POLIO WAS A MILD DISEASE LIKE A HEAVY COLD – THEN VACCINATION CAME ALONG

            HERE IT IS IN A NUTSHELL – BUT AFP IS AROUND AND IS WHAT WAS CALLED POLIO

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0eb423c80c81c95c26845e418d9d7167b22cc61ff2513bf1212bcf2a7193bcee.gif

            MIKEY BOY DO YOU SEE THE SPIKE IN SMALLPOX AFTER VACCINATION

          • Ron Roy

            The polio epidemic was almost over when the vaccine came out so in order to
            inflate the numbers the medical mafia started calling all diseases that were
            similar as polio. Then after everyone was vaccinated they went back into calling
            those other diseases what they really were to make it look like the vaccine
            worked. That vaccine was contaminated with 40 different microorganism that
            didn’t belong there on of them was Simian Virus40 a cancer causing virus that is
            now part of our genome. Since only 1 or 2% of the people diagnosed with polio
            had any residual paralysis that was a lousy trade off. Eliminating sugars and
            taking a few grams of vitamin C per day is just as effective at preventing
            polio.

          • Mike Stevens
          • nworder

            ITS CERTAINLY SAFER THAN A VACCINE – LOL

          • We’re talking about shoving something inside a kids’ butt. If someone does that with a vaccine, you can sue for malpractice.

          • nworder

            AMERICAN DIET BLOCKS YOUR COLON

            ENEMAS have been used by lots of Doctors over centuries and are 100,000 times more qualified than an idiot troll like you.
            Some people eat constipating food and never any fiber for decades – so they get stools as hard as bricks stuck in their colon which will have diverticulitis as well.

            An enema can remove this gunge – if you have had your tea look on the internet at
            these amazing things that pop out once the colon gets moving – baby milk since childhood , pellets hard like marbles , green bits .
            The victims of the american diet can still go to the toilet but they will have constipation – it is the walls of the colon which are covered in hardened slime.

            Plus the bacteria in the colon will be the toxic anaerobic type .

          • shay simmons

            Coffee enemas?

          • FallsAngel

            I like this: “”When I was training, one in 2,500 [children were autistic]. Now it is
            one in 250. At the moment, the only logical explanation for this is
            MMR.” — Dr Kenneth Aitken, British specialist in the treatment of
            autism. (The Telegraph, United Kingdom, April 2, 2002)” No other possible factor? Riiight! /s

          • Anonymous

            Trolling with random internet graphs = Not Science.

          • Again, read the sources.

          • Anonymous

            Again, I’m still not convinced. Keep trying!

          • Obviously.

          • AutismDadd

            Trash Science / vaccine marketing spam

          • suzyqtou

            LOOK EVERYONE! ANOTHER GRAPH!! Yep, too many graphs sure make me change my mind

          • nworder

            I flagged him – he is taking over the site with vaccine propaganda and fake research.

          • eddysachs

            Good …this IS the BIG LIE projected by this Obvious TROLL from the pHARMaceutical corporate Dept of Deliberate Obfuscation/ Psychological-Operation Mill…& is more than likely Hasbara-affiliated with all the ‘slick as sh*t’ colored balloons & over the top pretty graphs …the same way they blatantly collude to Lie to us about Climate Change etc …this is strictly mercenary $$$ smears- to counter the the Truth about what’s really in the vaccines -akin to Hitler’s BIG LIE crumbling into ignominy with documentaries like VAXXED (as an example) & a plethora of independent scientific genuine sources of impeccable integrity, are exponentially alerting the collective consciousness of the world body…that something is not what it appears!… they’re obviously getting desperate hitting us with a deluge of disingenuous specious propaganda sophistry, that is actually insidiously connived & contrived Hegelian sorcery sourced from psychopathically ambivalent soulless reptiles with icy cold cold heavy metal hearts…that absolutely know about the pain & suffering that is being deliberately inflicted upon the unsuspecting goi/chattel ….with a collusive prosecution of a deliberate demo/genocide…. malice of forethought …depraved indifference …racketeering …assault… administering of noxious substances & definitely conspiracy ….just for starters…all of it a despicable Crime Against Humanity….may these soulless orc satanic minions be rounded up & put on trail Live- Streamed on the internet for the whole world to see the maniacal socio/psychopath’ torturers’ of our innocent children.

          • nworder

            Its such easy money for the MEDMAFIA . A lot of these reptiles were probably old mafia who went into infant injecting for bigger profits and no jail time with their illgotten gains from street drugs , booze and prostitution

          • suz norkan

            Agreed, and dumb dumb is a very young female who has publicly admitted to being jenny higgs from the uk!

          • nworder

            She maybe skates as well

          • I can’t reason you out of a position you didn’t reason yourself into nor am I fool enough to try.

          • nworder

            THIS IS OLD NEWS BUT EVEN WORSE NOW WITH AN EVEN HIGHER VACCINATION RATE.

            NBC NEWS :-
            AMERICA’ S HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE AMONG THE DEVELOPED NATIONS

            “The U.S. infant mortality rate has stalled, the latest government report finds, giving Americans one of the worst rates in the developed world.

            Just under six out of every 1,000 babies died at birth or in the first year of life in the U.S. in 2013, triple the rate of Japan or Norway and double the rate of Ireland, Israel or Italy, the latest report from the National Center for Health Statistics finds. The rate is barely changed from 2012, although it’s down 13 percent from 2005.

            The highest rates were in Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana; the lowest infant mortality rates were in Iowa, Vermont and Massachusetts, the NCHS, part of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found.

            “The number of infant deaths was 23,446 in 2013, a decline of 208 infant deaths from 2012,” the CDC team wrote in the report.

          • walcon

            Paid for results.

          • Have you read Gadad et al yet?

          • FallsAngel

            I’m not sure what your point is. Correlation does not equal causation. There are charts that show how consumption of organic food has risen at the same level as autism. Yet a lot of these “autism advocates” here recommend all sorts of organic foods.

          • nworder

            DUMB DUMB , FallsAngel – THE WHOLE RESEARCH MODEL IS LOOKING FOR CORRELATION TO EQUAL CAUSATION and we know out of 36 countries AMERICA has the highest INFANT death rate and the highest vaccination rate.

          • FallsAngel

            Neither is true and has been demonstrated many times over.

          • walcon

            Show your demonstrations. You provide NO evidence from a non-biased study. I’m sure big pharma could show us one- I’m sure they could.~

          • FallsAngel

            Search my posts. I’m truly fed up with reposting and reposting and reposting again for people who don’t even read the links.

          • Have you read Gadad et al yet?

          • celticwanderer64

            Falls Angel, you either benefit from the vaccination industry in some way, you naively believe in injecting your children with tons of chemicals and vaccines that come from China, or you have been vaccinated and you suffer from some of the brain deficiencies that we’ve talked about. You cannot truly believe that giving a newborn baby a ton of vaccines in the first year of life is in any way a good thing.

          • shay simmons

            Speaking as the survivor of several once-common VPDs, I’d like to point out that we all benefit from the vaccination industry in a big way. When was the last time you heard of someone catching smallpox, polio or measles?

            Btw, no vaccine used in the US currently, is manufactured in China.

            ActHIB (Hib) – Sanofi Pasteur SA in Lyon, France
            Adacel (Tdap) – Sanofi Pasteur Limited in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
            Bexsero (Meningococcal B)- Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics S.r.l., Bellaria-Rosia 53018, Sovicille (SI), Italy
            Boostrix (Tdap) – GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium and Wavre, Belgium
            Daptacel (DTaP) – Sanofi Pasteur Limited in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
            Energix-B (Hepatitis B) – GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium
            FluMist (Influenza) – MedImmune Vaccines, Inc. in Gaithersburg, Maryland and Wyeth in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
            Fluzone (Influenza) – Sanofi Pasteur, Inc. in Swiftwater, Pennsylvania
            Gardasil (HPV) – Merck & Co., Inc., West Point, PA.
            Havrix (Hepatitis A) – GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium
            Infanrix (DTaP) – GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals, but manufactured by Chiron-Behring GmbH & Co. in Marburg, Germany
            IPOL (IPV) – Sanofi Pasteur SA in Lyon, France
            Menactra (Meningococcal) – Sanofi Pasteur, Inc. in Swiftwater, Pennsylvania
            Pediarix (DTap, IPV, Hepatitis B) – GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium

            PedvaxHIB (Hib) – Merck & Co., Inc., in West Point, Pennsylvania
            Prevnar (Pneumococcal) – Lederle Laboratories in Sanford, North Carolina and Pearl River, New York

            “Are Vaccines Made In China?” by Dr Vincent Iannelli, MD.

          • nworder

            NO ONE BENEFITS FROM VACCINES – POLIO , SMALLPOX WENT UP AFTER VACCINES BUT WERE FALLING BEFORE VACCINES

            PLUS NO ONE DIED FROM MEASLES IN THE LAST 10 YEARS BUT OVER 100 DEATHS FROM THE MEASLES VACCINE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.

            BETTER AND SAFER JUST TO GET MEASLES FOR LIFELONG IMMUNITY TO THIS MILD ILLNESS WHEREAS THE MEASLES KEEPS COMING BACK IF YOU ARE VACCINATED.

            PUMPING 100 TYPES OF TOXIC CHEMICALS INTO YOUR BLOODSTREAM IS DRAWN OUT SUICIDE – ITS LIKE HAVING YOUR COMPUTER ANTI VIRUS SOFTWARE CANCELLED AND LEAVING YOUR COMPUTER RUNNING.

            THE SCRAPS OF DNA IN THAT TUBE OF TOXINS WILL POISON YOUR WHOLE SYSTEM.
            IF YOU ARE ILL BEFORE THE VACCINE YOU WILL BE EVEN SICKER AFTER IT

          • shay simmons

            Misinformation typed in all caps is still misinformation.

          • nworder

            GET VACCINATED AND GET DIABETES 13 MILLION – WOW

            VACTRUTH :-
            Many leading scientists and vaccination experts on the other hand say the onslaught of vaccinations from birth is to blame for the diabetic explosion we are seeing today.
            According to one such expert Harris Coulter PhD (1) a staggering 13 million people in the USA alone are suffering from the condition.

            He says:

            “There are many reports in the literature of Type-I diabetes emerging after mumps vaccination. In 1997, Sinaiotis and colleagues reported the onset of Type-I diabetes one month after receipt of mumps vaccine in a 6.5 year old boy.

            In 1991, Pawlowski and Gries described an 11-year old body who had mumps disease at age 16 months and then received measles-mumps vaccine 5 months prior to the emergence of Type-I diabetes; he had severe abdominal pain and fever one week after vaccination. In 1984, Otten and colleagues reported three cases of Type-I diabetes with onset in one case 10 days and, in other cases, 3 weeks after mumps vaccination in children 3,2 and 16 years of age.

            In 1986, Helmke and colleagues reported seven children who developed Type-I diabetes in the second to fourth week following mumps or measles-mumps vaccination. In 1979, Quast and colleagues noted that in the first two years after mumps and measles-mumps vaccines were introduced into Germany, two cases of Type-I diabetes following immunization with measles-mumps and mumps vaccines respectively were reported to the manufacturer.”

          • shay simmons

            I find no PubMed studies authored by Harris Coulter. In what discipline is his PhD?

            And if you could provide the PubMed numbers for the other studies you’ve cited, I would like to read them.

          • nworder

            THE USA VACCINE HOLOCAUST :-
            INFANT DEATHS GRAPH CORRELATES WITH NUMBER OF VACCINES
            MERCOLA :-

            The United States requires infants to receive 26 vaccines (the most in the world) yet more than 6 U.S. infants die per every 1,000 live births. In contrast, Sweden and Japan administer 12 vaccines to infants, the least amount, and report less than 3 deaths per 1,000 live births.

            The study also found evidence that some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may actually be vaccine-related.

            According to a recent press release:

            The current study by Miller and Goldman, “Infant Mortality Rates Regressed Against Number of Vaccine Doses Routinely Given: Is There a Biochemical or Synergistic Toxicity?” found a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates.This raises an important question: Would fewer vaccines administered to infants reduce the number of infant deaths?

            Other study findings:

            The United States spends more per capita on healthcare than any other country; yet 33 nations have better infant mortality rates. Some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may be due to over-vaccination.

            Progress on reducing infant deaths should include monitoring immunization schedules and official causes of death (to determine if vaccine-related infant deaths are being reclassified). Infant mortality rates will remain high in developing nations that cannot provide clean water, proper nutrition, improved sanitation, and better access to health care.

            At times it is later revealed that vaccines are not even effective. For instance, pneumonia vaccinations for people over 65 are soon to be halted by the UK government, on the grounds that the injections do not save lives.

            Millions of people were injected with the vaccine, which was supposed to offer ten-year protection against an infection that causes pneumonia. But independent expert government advisors say the program has had ‘no discernible impact’ on rates of pneumococcal disease. According to the Daily Mail:

            “… [T]he protection provided by the vaccine is poor and not long-lasting in older people.”

          • shay simmons

            So you found no PubMed studies, either.

          • Verboten

            So, if PubMed says it, it is so? What is this? The religion of big pharma?

          • shay simmons

            Some commenters are singularly unable to grasp the idea that science is a matter of evidence, not belief.

          • Verboten

            You are singularly unable to grasp that “science” is run by humans with agendas and beliefs. Evidence sometimes takes generations to make it through the BS.

          • shay simmons

            Which is why science is self-correcting. Still no evidence — after about 20k studies from all over the world– that vaccines are worse than the diseases they prevent.

          • Verboten

            There is a chicken pox vaccine…you cannot speak about all vaccines as being equal. Whatever, shoot yourself up with stuff without asking questions because the man in the labcoat said to.

          • shay simmons

            I did not speak of all vaccines being equal. Nor did I deny the existence of a chickenpox vaccine.

          • Verboten

            Well, your statement about vaccines is a little bit misleading to my eyes. Also, I did not accuse you of not knowing about the chicken vaccine, I accused you of being the perfect contestant for the Milgram experiment.

          • shay simmons

            Why is it misleading?

          • Verboten

            It’s like we don’t speak the same language…

            “Still no evidence that vaccines are worse than the diseases they prevent.”

            I just gave you evidence then apparently. Also, I do recall a certain flu shot that killed all sorts of people when the flu itself…not so much.

            Like I said, a little bit misleading.

          • shay simmons

            “I just gave you evidence then apparently. Also, I do recall a certain flu shot that killed all sorts of people when the flu itself…not so much.”

            What evidence is that?

            “Like I said, a little bit misleading.”

            Yes, twice you’ve said that. How is it misleading?

          • Verboten

            Chicken pox, genius. There is the “view in discussion” button, try using it every once in awhile…

          • shay simmons

            I’m looking at your last four replies.Chicken pox vaccine is evidence of what?

          • Verboten

            Go learn something and stop bothering me. Are you a child or something? Or has everyone lost all sense of reason?

          • shay simmons

            You posted “chicken pox vaccine.” Incomplete sentence. Of what is that evidence?

          • Verboten

            IS CHICKEN POX DANGEROUS, DOLT?!

          • shay simmons

            Yes. Complications include bacterial infections, pneumonia, encephalitis, toxic shock syndrome, osteomyelitis, and pyogenic arthritis. Prior to introduction of the vaccine, each year about 4 million people became sick, 10,500 were hospitalized, and between 100-150 died.

            “Severe complications of varicella in previously healthy children in Germany; a 1-year survey,” Ziebold, von Kries, Lang, Weigle and Schmitt, Pediatrics Nov 2001.

            “Chickenpox; symptoms and causes; complications,” Mayo Clinic Staff, www dot mayoclinic dot org dash conditions slash chickenpox slash symptoms dah causes slash dxc dash 20191277.

            Edited to add — as someone who had chickenpox, I can attest to the fact that they are very painful, as well.

          • Verboten

            *rolls eyes* Ah yes, another proponent for the nanny state. Why don’t you get a “cold vaccine” and a “stubbed toe vaccine” while you are at it?

          • shay simmons

            Does an explanation of the dangers of the chickenpox lead to a nanny state?

          • Verboten

            *pats you on the head* Uncle Sam will take real good care of you, kid. Don’t mind the syphilis, it is just a research experiment…

          • shay simmons

            Chicken pox.

          • Verboten
          • shay simmons

            I know when someone has decided to change the subject.

            We were discussing the dangers of chickenpox.

          • Verboten

            No, you’ve already decided that you are so weak that you cannot handle chicken pox. So, I’ve told you to trust in Uncle Sam. Uncle Sam won’t hurt you, don’t worry what is in this injection, it will help you, Sam promises, like he always does.

          • shay simmons

            You asked if chickenpox was dangerous. It is. I’ve already had the chickenpox, so the question of weakness doesn’t enter into it.

            Why do you believe chickenpox is not dangerous?

          • Verboten

            Go cry to Uncle Sam, weakling. Trying to push chicken pox vaccines…what a laugh and a half. Pathetic.

          • shay simmons

            Why do you believe chicken pox is not dangerous?

          • nworder

            ME AND MY FAMILY HAVE HAD IT – HARDLY NOTICED IT – NO VACCINATIONS.
            IF YOU HAVE A WEAK IMMUNE SYSTEM ALL THE MORE REASON TO AVOID VACCINATION .

          • shay simmons

            I’m sorry that your children have shingles to look forward to. I’ve had them 2x.

          • nworder

            SHINGLES COMES FROM VACCINATION AND VACCINATION SHEDDING.
            MERCOLA :-

            But the vaccine may be LESS effective than that—around 40 percent—according to an investigation of a chickenpox outbreak among 23 children at a New Hampshire daycare center. The outbreak began with a child who had already been vaccinated.

            And a Washington Post article reported that, in another outbreak, 75 percent of the children who came down with chickenpox had previously been vaccinated for it!

            It is also interesting to note that most 10 year-old children with no known history of chickenpox are actually immune.

            A study in Quebec, Canada, involving 2,000 fourth graders was done to determine the proportion of children who would need to be vaccinated in a “catch-up” program.

            Of the youngsters with negative or unknown chickenpox histories, 63 percent had antibodies against the virus, presumably from having had such a mild case that they didn’t even realize they had it. This isn’t terribly surprising given that healthy children occasionally have minimal symptoms (such as a low fever and headache), without manifestation of blisters, indistinguishable from a mild case of the flu.

            Bottom line is, the vast majority of children who do NOT get the chickenpox vaccine wind up immune to chickenpox anyway.

          • shay simmons

            Still not research.

          • nworder

            YES IT WAS ALL RESEARCH .
            WHO ON EARTH WOULD RISK ALL THESE ADVERSE AFFECTS BELOW
            BEST JUST TO GET NATURAL IMMUNITY LIKE ME – I BARELY NOTICED CHICKEN POX AND ALMOST NO RASH .

            WHALE :-
            Postlicensure VAERS and vaccine manufacturer reports of serious adverse events, without regard to causality, have included encephalitis, ataxia, erythema multiforme, Stevens-Johnson syndrome, pneumonia, thrombocytopenia, seizures, neuropathy, and herpes zoster (CDC, unpublished data, 1998).

            For serious adverse events for which background incidence data are known, VAERS reporting rates are lower than the rates expected after natural varicella or the background rates of disease in the community (CDC, unpublished data, 1998).
            However, VAERS data are limited by underreporting and unknown sensitivity of the reporting system, making it difficult to compare adverse event rates following vaccination reported to VAERS with those from complications following natural disease.
            Nevertheless, the magnitude of these differences makes it likely that serious adverse events following vaccination occur at a substantially lower rate than following natural disease. In rare cases, a causal relationship between the varicella vaccine and a serious adverse event has been confirmed (e.g., pneumonia in an immunocompromised child or herpes zoster).

            In some cases, wild-type VZV or other causal organisms have been identified. However, in most cases, data are insufficient to determine a causal association. Of the 14 deaths reported to VAERS, eight had definite other explanations for death, three had other plausible explanations for death, and three had insufficient information to determine causality. One death from natural varicella occurred in a child aged 9 years who died from complications of wild-type VZV 20 months after vaccination.

          • shay simmons

            No, it’s an op ed piece written by a former osteopath turned highly successful snake oil peddler. It doesn’t even appear in the heirarchy of evidence.

            Did you bother to read the piece you copy/pasted? Of the 14 deaths reported to VAERS, eight had definite other explanations for death, three had other plausible explanations for death, and three had insufficient information to determine causality.

          • nworder

            OF COURSE THEY WOULD – DO YOU THINK VAERS OR THE CDC WOULD ADMIT IT WAS CAUSED BY VAXXING

          • shay simmons

            Don’t understand VAERS, do you?

          • nworder

            ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN PHYSICIANS AND SURGEONS BUT SHAY KNOWS BETTER WITH HIS TROLL LEVEL 1 BOOKLET – LOL

            Measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, and the whole panoply of childhood diseases are a far less serious threat than having a large fraction (say 10%) of a generation afflicted with learning disability and/or uncontrollable aggressive behavior because of an impassioned crusade for universal vaccination … Public policy regarding vaccines is fundamentally flawed. It is permeated by conflicts of interest. It is based on poor scientific methodology (including studies that are too small, too short, and too limited in populations represented), which is, moreover, insulated from independent criticism. The evidence is far too poor to warrant overriding the independent judgments of patients, parents, and attending physicians, even if this were ethically or legally acceptable.” –Association of American Physicians & Surgeons

          • What does the very first page of VAERs say because the answer’s right there?

            As for the CDC….what about other countries in the world.

          • nworder

            WE ALL KNOW VAERS HARDLY WORKS DUE TO MASSIVE UNDEREPORING PROBABLY BY FACTORS OF 10 – 100 ALL ALONG THE LINE AND VAERS IS CORRUPT AS THE CDC

            MEDICINE KILLS MILLIONS .COM :-
            Is vaccination quackery ie. unproven, not scientific?

            “There has never been a single vaccine in this country that has ever been submitted to a controlled scientific study. They never took a group of 100 people who were candidates for a vaccine, gave 50 of them a vaccine and left the other 50 alone, and measured the outcome. And since that has never been done, that means that if you want to be kind, you will call vaccines an unproven remedy. If you want to be accurate, you’ll call the people who give vaccines quacks.” Prof. Robert Mendelsohn, M.D., 1986, Head of the Liscensing Board for the State of Illinois, paediatrician & gynaecologist for 30 years, medical columnist & best-selling author, recipient of numerous awards for excellence in medicine. (p.50)

            “The public is surely entitled to convincing proof, beyond any reasonable doubt, that artificial immunisation is in fact a safe and effective procedure, in no way injurious to health, and that the threat of the corresponding natural diseases remain sufficiently clear and urgent to warrant mass inoculation of everyone, even against their will if necessary. Unfortunately, such proof has never been given” Richard Moskowitz, M.D. 1983. (p.47)

            Diseases decline without vaccination.

            “It is pathetic and ludicrous to say we vanquished smallpox with vaccines when only 10% of the population were ever vaccinated.” Dr. Glen Dettman, AMM, BA, PhD, & Archie Kalokerinos, MD, 1986. (p. 36) In the late 1960’s and 1970s, Dr. Kalokerinos and Dr. Dettman discovered that some 500 out of every 1,000 Aboriginal children were dying in the Northern Territories. The cause was a type of toxic shock reaction, complicated by vitamin C deficiency, often brought on by immunisation. In a two-year period without vaccination and with improved nutrition not one child died. (p.43).

          • I repeat my questions: What does the very first page of VAERs say?

          • nworder

            DUMB DUMB I COULD NOT GIVE A !!!!!!! WHAT IT SAYS – I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO LOOK .

            MORE MURDERS AND ILLNESS FROM VACCINES :-
            SALEM NEWS .COM
            But these figures are based on statistics from medical professionals who do not wish to be sued. In reality, less than 10% of deaths, seizures, paralysis, etc., are being reported as caused by the vaccinations that doctors gave in their office.

            The following real-world estimates are based on reports from a law firm:

            “840 young girls and 2 boys have died after receiving the Gardasil HPV Vaccine 201,010 young girls have suffered debilitating events such as fatigue, seizures, paralysis, etc. after receiving the Gardasil HPV Vaccine. ”

            The California law even approves in advance, ALL yet-to-be made (and completely untested) vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases, though of the two current Merck vaccines they are pushing on children, one Merck vaccine caused AIDS and causes Lupus and the other Merck vaccine is contaminated in multiple ways and proving highly lethal.

            Children will be the ones decide whether to take the vaccines, and they will make that decision after being forced to see videos of people dying terrible deaths from cancer.

            Not only would the vaccine be given without parental consent, but parents are denied knowledge that the vaccine is going to be given or that it was given. If the child has a seizure or dies afterward, parents may not see their own children’s medical records.

            This is what is left of the “informed consent” meant to provide human rights to protect the world from pharmaceutical industry abuses against mankind.

            After World War II, it was Merck which received the flight capital of the pharmaceutical industry indicted for crimes against humanity, human enslavement and mass murder.

          • Citation truly desperately needed for all of that above rant.

          • FallsAngel

            “In some cases, wild-type VZV or other causal organisms have been identified.”

            Do you know what that means? They had community acquired chickenpox, not vaccine-induced disease.

          • nworder

            WHAT A CONVENIENT COINCIDENCE – HEY GUYS I’VE FOUND A WILD ONE
            IN THE MIDDLE OF A VACCINE ORGY – WE’LL BLAME IT ON THE WILD ONE -lol

            WHALE – FRIGHTENS TROLLS – THEY HIDE UNDER THE BED
            A newly published study co-authored by the US Centers for Disease Control into the effectiveness of chicken-pox vaccine states in conclusion:

            Varicella vaccine substantially decreases the risk of herpes zoster among vaccinated children and its widespread use will likely reduce overall herpes zoster burden in the United States. The increase in herpes zoster incidence among 10- to 19-year-olds could not be confidently explained and needs to be confirmed from other data sources. (HERE)

            While the authors are quick to claim causal benefit from the vaccination the negative effects can only be explained by them as aberrant. Yet such effects were also reported by a UK Health Protection Agency last year. Its press release stated:

            If a chickenpox vaccine were to be added to the childhood immunisation programme concerns have been raised that there would be an increase of shingles cases in adults as a result. This is because people who have had chickenpox are less likely to have shingles later in life if they have been exposed occasionally to the chickenpox virus (for example through their children) as this exposure acts as a booster…

            The modelling suggested that a two dose schedule at the levels of coverage likely to be achieved in the UK would lead to an increase of at least 20% of shingles in the medium term (approximately 15-20 years). This increase could be partially, but not completely, offset by introduction of a vaccination against shingles among those aged 60+. Albert Jan van Hoek, who performed the research for the Health Protection Agency, said; “Our models suggest that vaccination would reduce the burden of chickenpox in the young. However, it will lead to an increase in shingles in the medium term in adults because they will not get that ‘boosting’ effect from being in contact with cases of chickenpox.
            (HERE)

            In fact, these effects have long been known about as a press release from Medical Veritas points out:

            Interestingly, the published shingles (herpes zoster) incidence rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated children, as well as adolescents reported by VASP/CDC authors in this current study nicely agree with prior research findings by Goldman who served as Research Analyst for the Varicella Active Surveillance Project (VASP) in 2002 and published the incidence rates in 2005 (Universal Varicella Vaccination: Efficacy Trends and Effect on Herpes Zoster. Goldman GS. International Journal of Toxicology 2005 Jul/Aug; 24(4):203-213).

          • FallsAngel

            “Bottom line is, the vast majority of children who do NOT get the chickenpox vaccine wind up immune to chickenpox anyway.”

            But, about half the deaths from chickenpox pre-vaccine were in adults. Maybe my link will show up at some point.

          • Verboten

            Do you know who Tooze is?

          • FallsAngel

            Adam Tooze, the historian?

          • nworder

            Anecdotal – why did you not get a vaccine – lol

          • shay simmons

            Because I came down with the chickenpox thirty years before the vaccine became available.

          • nworder

            YOU SHOULD COUNT YOURSELF LUCKY YOU DID NOT NEED TO POISON YOURSELF WITH A VACCINE .

            WHALE :-
            Chicken-pox Vaccine & Death – New US Government Study – November 6, 2009

            A newly published study from the US Centers for Disease Control is further formal confirmation chickenpox vaccine damages natural immunity and causes the more serious highly painful potentially fatal condition of shingles: The incidence and clinical characteristics of herpes zoster among children and adolescents after implementation of varicella vaccination.

            It is long and well known in numerous studies that shingles cases and deaths in adults and the elderly will increase as natural immunity wanes as a result of the chickenpox vaccine. It is however perplexing that the US CDC study authors declare themselves mystified by the increase in teenage shingles cases shown by their study.

            Shingles is a serious painful condition in adults which causes death in some cases. Chickenpox is normally a mild disease in children which most children used to contract and gain natural immunity from. Natural childhood diseases are known to prime childrens’ immune systems for future disease immunity.

            The expansion of vaccination programmes worldwide across all ages is not health but marketing driven as the drug industry targets universal worldwide multiple vaccines for all for life as a new lucrative business model:- Pharma 2020: The vision PriceWaterhouse Coopers, New Report Forecasts More Than Doubling of Vaccine Sales by 2013 Reuters 11 June 2009, Kids’ vaccine market set to quadruple – By Anna Lewcock, Drug Researcher 20-Nov-2007.

          • shay simmons

            Whale to is a conspiracy site run by an anti-Semitic pig farmer who believes in sentient dolphins and the Protocols of Zion. I notice that no study title or authors are provided. Why is that?

          • JoeFarmer

            I have trouble deciding whether “globalresearch” or “whale” is worse…

            Sentient dolphins is a new one, to me anyway.

          • shay simmons

            I think each is awful but in slightly different ways.

          • shay simmons

            Can’t find the dolphins so it was probably another site. I stand corrected.

            On the other hand, Scudamore thinks the Indonesian tsunami was actually a nuke.

          • FallsAngel

            Do you think you get chickenpox by having s*x in guatemala?

          • Verboten

            Not surprised you cannot put 2 and 2 together.

          • nworder

            ITS NOT DANGEROUS EXCEPT TO THOSE WHO ARE IMMUNE COMPROMISED
            AND IF YOU ARE YOU SHOULD NEVER GET VAXXED.
            THE VAX IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN THE POX

          • shay simmons

            You didn’t read the German study.

          • nworder

            I immediately thought of a B.S. vaccine

          • nworder

            MEASLES VACCINATION DEATHS IN THE UK – TELEGRAPH :-
            Four deaths have been linked to suspected adverse reactions to the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) triple jab, according to documents prepared for the Government’s expert advisers on immunisation.

            The controversial jab has been beset by fears of a link to autism and bowel disease, although since its introduction in 1998, yearly deaths from measles have fallen from 16 to zero, while the jab against meningitis C is thought to save 50 lives a year.
            The report, covering the period between 2001 and 2004, details how one baby suffered a cot death following MMR vaccination in 2003. Two more infants were reported to have died after having the MMR jab in 2001, but the cause of death in both cases was unknown.
            After the death of a child who developed meningitis and swelling of the brain three weeks after an MMR jab in 2004, a claim for compensation was made by the child’s parents. It is not known if this was successful.
            Six fatalities followed meningitis C vaccinations between 2001 and 2003. The deaths of seven other babies were linked to combined vaccines against diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough and reported to the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA). They include a baby who died from a heart attack. Another died after a polio jab.

            Almost 800 other reports of suspected complications of childhood vaccination – including convulsions and hyptonia, in which the baby becomes floppy like a “rag doll” – were also made, including 160 for MMR.

            Medics raised the alarm under the MHRA “yellow card” warning system, set up to monitor suspected adverse drug reactions. Although making such a report does not prove that vaccination caused death or injury, it means that doctors fear it may have played a part.
            Their reports were considered by the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, which concluded that no significant safety issues were identified.
            Details of the document, which emerged after a request under the Freedom of Information Act, come amid fears of “vaccine overload” due to a rise in the number of jabs given to infants.
            The Department of Health last week announced the introduction of a new jab against the pneumococcal bug, which causes a deadly strain of meningitis, in addition to a booster for Hib disease, which can cause meningitis.

            This means that by the time a child is two he will have had 25 vaccinations, although some will be given in five-in-one or three-in-one combinations.
            Dr Richard Halvorsen, a general practitioner who runs a private single jabs clinic at Holborn Medical Centre in London, said: “We know vaccines have potential side effects, but this does not mean that children died as a result of MMR or other jabs. However, it is not insignificant because these are reports from health professionals who suspect an adverse vaccination reaction.”
            Experts last night said that the true figures for suspected fatalities and serious side effects could be much greater.

            Dr John Griffin, the former editor of the medical journal Adverse Drug Reactions, said: “For fatalities, it is probably only one in two which gets reported and for other side effects one in 10.”
            This means that almost 40 baby deaths could have occurred following jabs between 2001 and 2004, and 8,000 serious adverse reactions.

          • shay simmons
          • AutismDadd

            My kids had chicken pox at the same time and should no signs of anything but a few blisters. They ran around playing and smiling.

          • eddysachs

            This ‘Hasbra 4 Hire’ psychopath is criminally mentally ill (imo)….along with his cadre of contractually obligated trolls that follow him around like dogs

          • Mike Stevens

            To the 100 kids in the us who died each year prevaccine, yes, chickenpox was dangerous.
            You presumably have evidence the vaccine is more dangerous. May we see that evidence, please?

          • nworder

            ANY KID WHO DIED OF THE MILD DISEASE OF CHICKENPOX MUST HAVE BEEN WEAK AND THEREFORE SHOULD NEVER BE VACCINATED – YOU JUST MAKE UP YOUR HUNDRED.
            20,000,000 got the flu said the CDC then it actually admitted only 19 were proven to have flu and only a few deaths were caused by proven – which would most likely be pneumonia .

          • Mike Stevens

            Ok, how about “any child who got ill from a vaccine must have been weak and so it’s their fault”
            See the flaws in your “reasoning” yet?

          • nworder

            THOSE WITH WEAK IMMUNE SYSTEMS SHOULD NOT GET VACCINATED

            Dont know what you are gibbering about

          • Verboten

            Yea, actually, the vaccine is a larger risk. One is the natural way that people have been dealing with it for thousands of years and the unnatural way is to inject unknown “government-approved” materials into yourself.

          • Mike Stevens

            By “seeing the evidence”, I didn’t mean reading you saying “Yes, the [chickenpox] vaccine is a larger risk [than the disease].”

            I meant EVIDENCE, as in published scientific evidence, and not your own, ignorant opinion.

            Can we see some please?

          • Verboten

            Evidence? Who cares about numbers that can be doctored up. A statistic doesn’t matter if you are the one unlucky enough to die or be seriously injured. Injecting unknown chemicals into your body because a labcoat tells you to is the epitome of stupidity.

          • Mike Stevens

            So, you have no evidence and are just making wild unsupported claims.

            You know that last year over 100,000 kids died in the US from measles?
            Don’t believe the numbers others tell you, they are just made up.

            See what I did there?

          • nworder

            YOU ARE A FANTASIST OR BELOW 10 YEARS OLD

            IN THE LAST TEN YEARS NO ONE DIED FROM WILD MEASLES

            108 DIED FROM MEASLES VACCINATION

            100,000 ?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL HA HA HA HA

          • Verboten

            Yea, you just lied, like you have been the entire time.

          • nworder

            BIG PHARMA DONT DO STUDIES LIKE THAT – THEY KNOW THAT VACCINATION WOULD LOSE EVERY TIME.

          • Mike Stevens

            You don’t have to “do a comparable study” to show varicella vaccine kills more than 124 kids each year… You could just provide verifiable data.
            Which you can’t, and neither can your troll friend Verboten it appears.

          • eddysachs

            5 ‘contractually obligated’ mercenary & diseased trolls ….sooooo obvious

          • eddysachs

            Well said & outstanding juxtaposition

          • eddysachs

            LIAR

          • Glenn Festog

            How about this point; there are three major systems of the body that fights infection. There are eighteen subsections, only one of which is activated by vaccines.

            Please name all of the diseases you get from punctures. I’ll give you two: rabies and tetanus.

            In case you missed the announcement, 70% of your immune system is in your bowels, not your circulatory system.

            Basic chemistry? Try basic biology instead. Lol

          • FallsAngel

            I took that too, bub!

          • AutismDadd

            Great come back. Very detailed and well thought out. Sort of like a brain fart.

          • celticwanderer64

            Sad but true. And they keep adding more. Not only has autism risen, but childhood cancers, juvenile onset diabetes (an autoimmune disease), eczema, asthma, etc. When I was a child, even during the time of polio, most hospitals only had a couple floors dedicated to pediatrics and it was usually things like broken bones. Today we have whole hospitals dedicated to sick and dying children. Doesn’t that upset anyone enough to find out why. But then, studies that show the correlation between vaccines and chronic illness in our children surely would be suppressed by the FDA and CDC. We don’t have a healthcare system. We have an illness care system and many people make lots of money from it and want to keep it so. It’s all about money for Big Pharma and kick-backs for those pushing the vaccines.

          • eddysachs

            Nailed it!…sad but true …..cheers in spite of it all

          • AutismDadd

            Oh those? They are crap

          • Ron Roy

            ”Can you explain why green countries support vaccines?” I can. That only shows the extent of the power the MEDICAL MAFIA has over the ruling elite. Oh and you of course.

          • That’s a bare assertion, Ron.

            Any actual evidence?

          • Ron Roy

            From WHALE / VACCINE:

            The House of Commons Health Committee is currently
            deliberating over its Inquiry into the Influence of the Pharmaceutical Industry,
            but, with pharmaceutical interests by now the warp in the governmental weft, it
            is hard to see how the fabric can be unpicked. Some commentators are suggesting
            that the Inquiry might be better framed as an independent inquiry into the
            influence of the pharmaceutical industry in Parliament.

            While much of the revolving door vested interest between
            the government and the industry is transparent – the MHRA the regulatory body
            for pharmaceuticals funded by the industry and the Committee on Safety of
            Medicines stiff with personal and non-personal pharmaceutical interests – much
            of it is more obscure. Official policy on vaccinations, for instance, is being
            driven, not as one would hope by impartial medical experts, but by industry
            involvement, layered deep within the system.

            The involvement of pharmaceutical companies with
            government agencies has allowed the industry to develop a unique system of
            protection for its products, from suggested production, through licensing, and
            finally to its ‘no fault’ compensation scheme, which stops claimants from taking
            their cases to court.
            This is a small example of why the MEDICAL MAFIA and vaccine shills like Nom Dumb Disqus fear WHALE / VACCINE folks.

          • That’s a site, Ron. I asked for a cite.

          • suz norkan

            What you NEED is some inSIGHT, padawan! 😉

          • nworder

            The UK MEDICAL MOB that went after Dr WAKEFIELD had their snouts in the trough – their financial interests should be read out and printed before they are allowed to lie under oath .

          • Here are their financial interests, nworder:

            To find autism if it vaccines cause it, not hide it.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg

            The easiest way to legally do it would be to have financial interests read out and printed as *part* of the oath/affirmation. I trust you have no objections about Wakefield’s financial interests being read out before he gives his testimony?

            As for before they’re allowed to lie under oath, that isn’t allowed ever. It’s called perjury.

          • nworder

            THESE COUNTRIES HAVE LOWER INFANT DEATH RATES THAN AMERICA DUE TO AMERICA’S HIGHEST VACCINATION RATE

            THE ATLANTIC :-

            IN a global context, the current goal still represents a woefully low bar, with the U.S. lagging far behind other wealthy nations in terms of infant mortality. According to a report published last week by the Centers for Disease Control, out of the 34 developed countries that make up the Organization for Economic Cooperation (24 European nations, plus Australia, Canada, Chile, Japan, Korea, Israel, Mexico, New Zealand, the United States, and Turkey), the U.S. ranks 27. Worldwide,

            We’re number 56, sandwiched between Serbia and Poland; Monaco, which has the lowest infant-mortality rate at 1.8 deaths per 1,000, is doing more than three times better.

            NUMBER 56 AFTER SPENDING 3 TIMES MORE ON “HEALTH” than european countries .

            THAT SURE IS SOME FEAT FOR AMERICA LOL

          • Also, a bare assertion, Ron. Evidence.

          • Ron Roy

            a bare assertion? You wouldn’t admit the culpability of your employers no matter how much proof is presented.

          • AutismDadd

            More spam

          • suz norkan

            Why don’t they just BAN her spammy A$S!

          • nworder

            Yes we should all flag her from now on .

          • blue579

            All of these nations have been usurped with Rockefeller medical “education”.

          • Evidence please.

          • blue579

            You would ask for evidence the earth rotates around the sun. LOL You can find easily it yourself.

          • blue579

            Problem is you don’t come to discuss and learn, you come with a hammer of bogus information in the form of cut & paste graphics and pretend that’s a conversation. Your Mercury vs. Austim graphic is DYSLOGIA Exhibit A, utter propaganda. Specious and deeply flawed comparisons don’t engender sharing and teaching moments, they are blunt hammers.

          • Actually, I do. That’s why I ask questions like “What about other countries?”

            As for mercury *poisoning* vs autism which is the graphic, I think a labelled picture of the differences is quite helpful. So do most textbook manufacturers hence why you get things* like Fig. 1.* and *diagrams* in textbooks.

          • blue579

            I already explained the graphic describes two ENTIRELY different mechanisms. You believe the graphic is a helpful guide for understanding the basis of cytokine storms and gut dysbiosis as clues to the pathology of autism? You apparently don’t have even the remotest handle on medical science and are wittingly or unwittingly parroting nonlinear disinformation.

          • Nope. I don’t think it addresses that at all. I think the graphic addresses mercury poisoning vs autism.

            As for the mechanism, you have to prove that there is a higher rate of autism in vaccinated kids before you bother about the pathway.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/979a7591fcb9d270e9da429faad9e056962f7a4c458cd8a346b0384bb30b2c13.jpg

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/29caa8b67460692ece417e17b1c050466879eb42ebcff7f3720d50b0722c9212.jpg

            By the way, have you read Gadad et al yet? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e53e10ec95cec122a3a70f45ec44cea0a874b0a2fcf2932692272e171ffa6a19.png

          • eddysachs

            You are a facilitator of of poisons…the same poisons that paralyzed approx.50,000 little Indian girls compliments of the polio vaccine eugenicist vampires Bill & Cruella de Ville facilitated along with the tsunami of preventable Autism infesting our children with thousands of new diagnosis’s every day…& you probably sleep like a baby at night because you have zip zero zilch empathy for the thousands of children that have been irreversibly & deleteriously affected for the worse by the pHARMaceutical Black Widow adjuvant poisons, that you’re touting as the ultimate panacea of mankind[sic]…just like Rockefeller’s daddy, the original snake oil salesman…you’re truly an unconscionable predator with a reptilian consciousness that is knowingly hiding behind this concocted BIG LIE…& you will reap what you sow…Karma is going to bite you where the sun don’t shine…you belong to a kaistocratic ponerology …. a pathocratic empire of $$$ worshipers that have turned your back on humanity …socio/psychopaths that concoct their own agenda’s that you have become a dutiful servant proxy to…Shame on you!…& may it take as many lifetimes as it takes to atone to each & every human being that you have adversely affected for the worse….this albatross will be around your neck & the other satanic minions that serve these vile ‘shadow master’ 0.01% forever.
            …So .abandon all hope …ye who have entered here.
            …You’ll dismiss this warning like most psychopaths do…as irrelevant to your pay check….but this has to be said in a public forum such as this to call a snake a snake.

          • blue579

            Bravo, Eddy! … “just like Rockefeller’s daddy, the original snake oil salesman” … Few know this is the absolute truth, no exaggeration, he was chased out of towns for selling fake cancer cures. Also a bigamist.

          • HanzP

            We live in truly insane world! I’ll post a couple resources for the thread.

            I think the first piece from Corbett Report covers the snake oil story, if memory serves. The second piece is also very good for a general history of the family — although I think it only cover John D. forward. Truly f’ed up people

            Rockefeller Medicine –Corbett
            youtu dot be/X6J_7PvWoMw

            Rockefeller History — EJE
            edwardjayepstein dot /rockefellers/chap1.htm

          • blue579

            Thanks, Hanz, good resources.

          • blue579

            You are being disingenuous or obtuse. The latter is now proven in that you unable to perceive the distinctions. Graphics can be helpful. In your case you use them as a substitute for productive discussions, attempting to ram information down throats. But go ahead, post another graphic! LOL Thank your handlers for me for another tip off. I never let a good logic blunder go to waste.

          • HanzP

            Hahaha…I don’t either, but I know my place here, Lol ! How did we get to Dumb Dumb? Is this Nom Dumb’s sibling?

          • blue579

            Elsewhere I couldn’t resist referring to him as Numb Dumb. Always the irony to stay sane and laughing at the weirdness. 🙂 I got tired of trying to explain the distinction after the first Memory Hole disappearance (ya, TPTB’s attrition strategy!). His graphic was attempting to make the case autism couldn’t possibly be caused by mercury in vaccines because the symptoms of *non injected* mercury poisoning (i.e. ingested, either acute = death, or chronic in the case of the figure) don’t match the symptoms and profile of autism. It’s a red herring because chronic low exposure is a very different type of cytotoxicity (different mechanisms, different targets) compared to vaccinations which involve mega stimulation of the immune system (the primary danger). That’s key, cytokines released by the immune system are far more damaging than the trace amount of metals, the numerous effects are synergistic.

          • HanzP

            Ok, I just looked — I there is only one Dumb Dumb.

            And yes, images, emoticons, graphics epitomize the type of low cognitive load propaganda that suck’s up the people’s brain and their thinking capabilities. I am very, very careful with images (the shadows in the cave) and so called ‘scientific’ studies. I don’t believe any of the work unless I read the actual study or journal article AND can comprehend the material. If and when I am able to understand, in most journal articles,I usually find problems and extant errors from other research. The point is: images and graphics are the least credible form of ‘science’ for the general population — because the require belief a priori, just like bad religion. If that made any sense to ya…

          • blue579

            Exactly. I concur. The reason TPTB use images to generate strong emotions….e.g. faux alt using nonstop images of fighter jets, warships, and mushrooms clouds to seed the WW3 meme for fear based manipulation – overrides logical consideration, creates a stronger impulsive memory pattern.

          • HanzP

            Speaking of which Goldmund Sux Breitbart Charlatan Steve Bannon appointed Chief Strategist for Trumples.

          • blue579

            Silver lining is he isn’t a pscyho-triatrist like Steve Pieczenik. Can you imagine the level of “mind jobs” in the queue to be unleashed on us?

          • HanzP

            But Trump can’t be controlled…he’s taking the fight direct to the NWO, right?

            ‘pscyho-triatrist like Steve Pieczenik” and his will be working behind the scenes unhampered, that much already seems to be the case.

          • blue579

            Apologies for the delayed reply, Hanz, I didn’t see your response on my notifications. I assume you know the odds are Trump is not anti-NWO, only a cover. Didn’t you post a list of Trump’s Zio connections?

          • HanzP

            Come on, joking joking joking. I ain’t no foooo here. ;-D
            Funny, I am watching Jay right now youtu dot be/FhPWVIKkcpE and he’s both vaping and smoking. I think we would be good friends.

          • blue579

            You had me scratching my head there, Grasshopper. LOL! I was looking for the sha-bang humor cue… Thought as much, ya never know! 😉

          • HanzP

            “sha-bang humor cue” — I hate those because I have a very dry sense of humor in person and those things disrupt that effect. You will have to start using that third eye. 😉

          • blue579

            Out of practice, Hanz, but I’ll try. I’m a dry girl myself, Far Side, Carlin, Dilbert, Stephen Wright, Lewis Black…

          • HanzP

            You’re right though, like that secret mission I sent you on the other day…

          • blue579

            Le Femme Nerd-ita – nobody suspected a thing; mild mannered blonde science chic transforming into a black leather clad elite infowarrior operative. 😉

          • HanzP

            Lol, I like. 😉

          • blue579

            Here ya go, Hanz, an apt ‘tonic’ I read a minute ago: “If the matrix gives you Trumpocalypse, then use secret alchemical means to create matrix-shifting Trumpocalyptic lemonade.” -Rob Brezsny

          • HanzP

            I like 😉

          • eddysachs

            Hans you need to give me an up-vote to get me back to the top again …& if I’m back …do it anyway…out of 500++…not bad (lol)…I’m waaaay dwn down the page again with 25 up votes

          • HanzP

            Lol! That’s actually quite an achievement because wrote something intelligent and made it to the top. Generally speaking, I notice the dumber the comment and the lower the cognitive load — the more up votes I get. But you’re doing real guru stuff and getting up voted, you should start a cult of personality!

          • HanzP

            Oh yeah, I am already in the 25.

        • eddysachs

          Gottaluv the way you swagger in & take up the most conspicuous space …announcing to the world that you’re a hopelessly entrained Hive Mind ‘Hypnozomb’ with an alpha-waved Borg ring through your nose & wired to a chip deep into your pre-frontal cortex.
          …& you’re very proud of it too! (lol)
          ..but don’t cha know?…. that pride always comes before a fall.

          • Sigh. Please can you explain how any of that affects the factual content of my claims? Thimersoal is no more mercury than salt is sodium.

          • nworder

            How dumb can you get – Thimersoal IS mercury, around 50% mercury in a salt – salt contains sodium and chloride so it IS sodium and chlorine .

            Surely you pretend to be this dumb.

            Combined many chemicals can become more poisonous especially if they combine with biologically active molecules.

          • No, thimersoal is not mercury. The fact that a compound contains an element doesn’t make it one.

            No, Salt containing Sodium and Chlorine doesn’t make it a mixture of the two.

            Sodium = Metal that explodes on contact in water
            Chlorine = poisonous gas.
            Sodium Chloride = ordinary table salt.
            Sodium Chloride where compounds behave like elements = a poisonous gas that explodes upon contact with water.

            Hydrogen goes BOOM.
            Oxygen goes BOOM
            H2O goes SPLASH.

            Wittengenstein ladder.

            “Combined many chemicals can become more poisonous.” Considering that we’re talking about the difference between elements and compounds right now, irrelevant to the point.

          • nworder

            WE ALL KNEW ALREADY WHAT YOUR SAYING SINCE OUR CHILDHOOD CHEMISTRY.

            You get mercury in thimersal and it IS incredibly toxic – more toxic than mercury on its own .
            Lead is toxic on its own but when used in motor fuel as the COMPOUND
            tetraethyl lead it became incredibly more toxic .

            Thimersal is more toxic than mercury alone but injected into the blood will be even more toxic than when ingested .

            I get my sodium from salt – sodium chloride – LOL

            Your logic is so idiotic you should be kept indoors in case you do damage .

          • “WE ALL KNEW ALREADY WHAT YOUR SAYING SINCE OUR CHILDHOOD CHEMISTRY.”

            This means you are LYING – you know this makes you look WORSE, not BETTER, right?

            “Lead is toxic on its own but when used in motor fuel as the COMPOUND
            tetraethyl lead it became incredibly more toxic .” Doesn’t change the fact that tetrathyl lead is not lead.

            “Thimersal is more toxic than mercury alone” Citation needed.

            “But injected into the blood” From your childhood biology, you will be aware of the difference between muscle, skin and blood. Why do you need to lie about it?

            “I get my sodium from salt – sodium chloride – LOL” Yes. Which is my point. Table salt contains both sodium and chlorine. And yet it doesn’t tend to explode or give off poisonous fumes. I wonder why. It’s almost like compounds don’t behave like elements.

            And don’t bring up “but compounds can be dangerous” since that’s not in dispute. Anything can be dangerous at the right dose – the point is that you have to judge chemical compounds by their own properties and not by the elements that make them up.

            “Your logic is so idiotic you should be kept indoors in case you do damage .” Apart from the bit where I was using *your* logic to lead to a conclusion with consistent reasoning. I can’t help it if the conclusion derived from that method is idiotic.

          • nworder

            THE ONLY LOGIC THAT DRIVES YOU IS COLLECTING YOUR TROLLING PAYCHECK for helping in the death or lifelong illhealth of babies and infants who cant fight back.
            You will eventually receive karma for your lifetime of lies .

            Go and rub some DIMETHYL MERCURY on your butt

          • https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6df0b23b2288545f97082e2fccd26a5badf138101afd08f310b05f6781b8a638.jpg

            You surely aren’t under the impression that methyl and ethyl are the same thing.

          • nworder

            METHYL AND ETHYL MERCURY ARE DIFFERENT YOU DUMBASS.
            BUT THEY ARE BOTH DEADLY TOXIC .

            YOU MADE UP YOUR POSTER – natural measles is less harmful than the vaccine
            When I got measles I hardly noticed – I HAVE NOT BEEN VACCINATED .

            MEASLES IS NOW HAPPENING IN THE VACCINATED – LOL

            WHY would you spend $30000 on someone who had measles – lol lol lol B.S.

            You are a lying sicko – lying all the time must get to you surely – I love my job – I dont need to lie .

          • “METHYL AND ETHYL MERCURY ARE DIFFERENT YOU DUMBASS.
            BUT THEY ARE BOTH DEADLY TOXIC .”

            Evidence please. At what dosage are you referring to?

            “You made up your poster.” Nope. That’s why there are sources at the bottom.


            When I got measles I hardly noticed – I HAVE NOT BEEN VACCINATED ” N = 1. Unverified anecdote.


            MEASLES IS NOW HAPPENING IN THE VACCINATED – LOL”

            Please point to where anyone claimed that vaccines were perfect.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4bf5745fe4006f5e5bf1bdbea4c042bca918ef0e496a07a6673f095117c58b65.jpg

            “WHY would you spend $30000 on someone who had measles – lol lol lol B.S.”

            You’re not spending 3000 on the people who have the measles, read the meme properly. You’re spending that much on controlling the outbreak.

            “You are a lying sicko – lying all the time must get to you surely – I love my job – I dont need to lie .” Then you should be able to quote-and-link to where I have lied with info.

          • nworder

            SO WHY WOULD “CONTROLLING THE OUTBREAK” COST 30 TIMES MORE THAN THE VACCINE
            SINCE MEASLES IS HARMLESS WHY NOT JUST LEAVE IT ALONE AND GET NATURAL IMMUNITY AT NO RISK .

            NO ONE DIED FROM WILD MEASLES IN THE LAST TEN YEARS BUT 108 DIED FROM MEASLES VACCINATION : –

            VACCINE IMPACT :-
            With the measles and measles vaccine debate reaching a near frenzy on the Internet, it is always nice to throw some cold hard facts on the firestorm currently raging in the measles debate.

            So here are some easily verifiable facts regarding deaths associated with measles in the United States for the past 10 years, and deaths associated with measles vaccines during the same 10 year period.

            First, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) keeps a weekly tally of disease outbreaks, including deaths. According to a statement made by Dr. Anne Schuchat, the director of CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, in an Associated Press story picked up by Fox News on April 25, 2014:

            There has been no measles deaths (sic) reported in the U.S. since 2003 [1]
            The weekly CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports (MMWR) since that date have not revealed any measles deaths either. (*See edit below.

          • boredwithyou

            although oxygen is required for combustion, it in itself is not flammable. Try lighting up an oxy-acetylene torch without opening the acetylene valve.
            oxygen does not go BOOM

          • Kevin

            hI,I believe the three astronauts that died before launch in a fire that was caused by a spark and because the cabin was FULL of oxygen it caused an explosion and fire.

          • Ron Roy

            Nice try and trying to defend the indefensible. How can you sleep at night?

          • I’ve told you how to disturb my sleep, Ron Roy.

            Besides, this is correcting, not defending.

          • Ron Roy

            From the National Vaccine Information Center “Depending on the vaccines administered, at six months of age, infants
            today born to mothers who received flu vaccine during pregnancy could
            receive up to 71 mcg of ethyl mercury compared to 187.5 mcg prior to
            efforts to decrease the amount of thimerosal in infant vaccines.
            Additionally, the new CDC guidelines recommend that all children from 2
            to 5 years of age receive an annual influenza vaccine. As a result, the
            total amount of thimerosal given to children under 5 years of age is
            almost what it was prior to 2000.” There is mercury in thimerosal. It’s part of the compound.

          • “There is mercury in thimersoal. It’s part of the compound” Considering that I was not arguing that there was no mercury in thimersoal but rather that thimerosal isn’t mercury, what’s your point? “It’s part of the compound.” Exactly. *Part* of something =/= the thing. You aren’t fool enough to fall for the composition/division fallacies, Ron.

          • nworder

            BUT YOU DUMB DUMB ARE FOOL ENOUGH TO FALL FOR THE COMPOSITION /DIVISION FALLACIES AND UPTICK YOURSELF THREE TIMES.

            HERE’S HOW POISONOUS IT IS TO MIX MERCURY INTO A COMPOUND
            AND SHE DIED FROM A TINY SPECK – THROUGH HER GLOVES :-

            “In a tragic end to a story that began last summer, an internationally known research chemist at Dartmouth College, Karen Wetterhahn, died on Sunday of poisoning from a few drops of a potent neurotoxin (DIMETHYL MERCURY) she spilled on her lab glove 10 months ago. She was 48.

            Wetterhahn studied the effects of heavy metals on living organisms. The accident occurred last August when she was attempting to measure the nuclear magnetic resonance spectrum of dimethyl mercury, which is used as a reference material for other toxic compounds. “She was taking what any of us would have considered prudent and reasonable precautions,” says John Winn, head of the Dartmouth chemistry department. She used a hood to protect herself from fumes and was wearing a face shield and latex gloves when she spilled a drop or so of the colorless, highly volatile compound. It apparently passed through the glove almost instantly. “I don’t think any of us recognized” that the compound was so penetrating, says Winn. ………. CONTD GOOGLE

          • Compounds must be judged by their own properties and not those of other compounds or of their constituent elements.

            What do you think the composition/division fallacies are?

            Dimethyl mercury is, as the name, suggests closer to methylmercury than ethylmercury.

          • nworder

            I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO OBFUSCATE WITH THE OLD TROLL ONE THAT ONE IS LESS POISONOUS THAN THE OTHER – AS IF THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO AN INFANTS BRAIN.
            Here’s a glass of cyanide and a glass of arsenic – drink the slightly less poisonous one and you will be ok – lol lol lol

            ALL MERCURY IS DEADLY POISONOUS ON ITS OWN OR WITH A COMPOUND

            YOU ARE A DUMBO

          • *drinks apple juice*

          • FallsAngel

            There has been no thimerosal in childhood vaccines since 2001. NVIC is a fear-mongering organization.

          • nworder

            NO WONDER AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE

            THATS BOLLOCKS they can sneak MERCURY in using other named additives – PLUS THE ALUMINIUM WHICH IS ALSO DEADLY and makes the mercury 1000 times more toxic – synergistically .
            PLUS WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 100 + TOXIC INGREDIENTS .

          • Ron Roy

            ”Fifth, with respect to the myth’s claim, “by 2002 no new
            childhood vaccines with Thimerosal were being sold in the
            U.S.,” this is also false because, among other Thimerosal-containing
            vaccines that could be given to children in 2002, the
            Thimerosal-preserved influenza vaccine, which, by its nature, is
            a new vaccine every year, was effectively knowingly added to
            the recommended vaccination schedule for pregnant women as
            well as to the recommended childhood vaccination schedule in
            April of 200228 at a time when all doses of the influenza vaccine
            approved for “healthy children aged 6–23 months” were
            Thimerosal preserved.

            Sixth, compounding the harm, in April of 2002, the CDC’s
            recommendation that the Thimerosal-preserved influenza vaccine
            be given to pregnant women who would be in their second
            and third trimesters of their pregnancies during the influenza
            season, thereby knowingly recommending the Thimerosal and
            mercury poisoning the developing child in utero when the risk
            of harm is even greater than it is postpartum and the results
            published in 197729 clearly found that Thimerosal-preserved
            influ vaccines that were given to pregnant women significantly
            increased (with a hospital-standardized relative risk of 2.0 or
            higher) their children’s risk of serious birth defects (cleft palate
            [RR = 7.1], microcephaly [RR = 2.3], and pyloric stenosis [RR
            = 2.0])”

          • FallsAngel

            2002 was 14 years ago now. Thimerosal-free flu shots are available and make up about 70% of the US market.

            The CDC hardly recommended that Thimerosal-preserved flu vaccine be given to pregnant women. The recommended flu VACCINE be given to pregnant women.

            What journal are you plagiarizing this quote of your from?

          • shay simmons

            Whale dot to, of course.

          • JGC

            “There is mercury in thimerosal. It’s part of the compound.”
            One of the compound’s 23 atoms is a mercury atom–did you have appoint?

            Surely you don’t believe that as a result the physical, toxicological and biochemical properties of thimerosal must be identical to those of elemental mercury, do you?

          • nworder

            YES BUT MUCH MUCH WORSE SINCE IT IS INJECTED AND MERCURY IS HALF – (50%) BY WEIGHT IN THIMEROSAL – YOUR DEVIOUS 23 ATOMS IS CRAP.

            TRACE AMOUNTS :-
            LIE NO 1 “Thimerosal, 49.55% mercury by weight, is safe when used as a preservative in vaccines and other drugs.”

            The Facts: The Eli Lilly Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for Thimerosal acknowledges that exposure to Thimerosal in utero and in children can cause “mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe gross motor impairment.” The Sigma Aldrich MSDS lists abortion and fetal death as possible outcomes of in utero exposure.

            Nonetheless, most seasonal and H1N1 flu shots for pregnant women and young children contain 25 micrograms of mercury in the form of Thimerosal. For this exposure to be safe, a child would need to weigh more than 550 pounds.

            Thimerosal is a poison, neurotoxin, cancer-causer, and can interrupt the immune system and the normal development of an unborn baby or a child. Thimerosal is so toxic that putting it on your skin is illegal.

            However, the government not only allows but also defends its injection into the population, especially pregnant women and newborn children, as part of influenza vaccines currently recommended by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

          • JGC

            “YES BUT MUCH MUCH WORSE SINCE IT IS INJECTED AND MERCURY IS HALF – (50%) BY WEIGHT IN THIMEROSAL – YOUR DEVIOUS 23 ATOMS IS CRAP.”

            You’re evidence that thimerosal, when injected, are toxic or otherwise harmful at exposure levels achievable by routine vaccination would be what exactly, nworder?

            I mean, you do actually have some–right?

            And you do realize that characterizing the amount of mercury in thimerosal on the basis of ‘per cent by weight’ is meaningless, don’t you, as chemical interactions are not a function of an element’s weight but properties such as atomic valence number, etc.?

            And no: the Eli Lilly MSDS does not indicate that thimerosal exposure in utero and in children can cause “mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe motor coordination impairment”: it states instead (Direct quote from the MSDS, bold for emphasis “Exposure to mercury in utero and in children may cause mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe motor coordination impairment”. Thimerosal is not mercury.

            “Nonetheless, most seasonal and H1N1 flu shots for pregnant women and young children contain 25 micrograms of mercury in the form of Thimerosal.”

            Thimerosal isn’t a form of mercury: it’s an organomercurial salt.

            “For this exposure to be safe, a child would need to weigh more than 550 pounds.”

            Show your math: how have you calculated that a child would need to weigh 550 pounds to be able to safely metabolize 25 ug of thimerosal?

            “Thimerosal is a poison, neurotoxin, cancer-causer, and can interrupt the immune system and the normal development of an unborn baby or a child.”

            At exposure levels achievable by routine childhood or seasonal flu vaccination? Citations needed–you do recall that the fundamental principle of toxicology is “The dose makes the poison”?

            “Thimerosal is so toxic that putting it on your skin is illegal.”
            What childhood vaccines do you believe are administered topically, nworder?

          • Amusingly, you can get a pink antiseptic cream in the UK called Germoline (sp). The stuff is generally advertised as being for kids’ cuts and grazes etc. Guess what’s in it, among other things?

          • Water is mostly oxygen by weight – I wouldn’t advise trying to breathe it even so.

          • Ron Roy

            ”I mean, you do actually have some–right? ( old overused sound bite)If you would have read what nworder posted:”The Facts: The Eli Lilly Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for
            Thimerosal acknowledges that exposure to Thimerosal in utero and in
            children can cause “mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe
            gross motor impairment.” The Sigma Aldrich MSDS lists abortion and
            fetal death as possible outcomes of in utero exposure. ”
            And here’s a little more info for your meager mind. “We have demonstrated the
            toxicity of thimerosal by using it to kill neurons in culture. At 50 nanomolar thimerosal
            the neuron killing capacity/rate is about doubled with the addition of levels of
            aluminium found in vaccines. The aluminium alone at this level is not
            demonstrated to be toxic, so it is enhancing the toxicity of the thimerosal. It likely
            does this by increasing the rate that thimerosal breaks down releasing ethylmercury which
            is the toxic material” ——-Testimony Prof Boyd Haley, University of Kentucky, Chair
            and Head of Chemistry……

          • Proponent

            Boyd Haley?

            Are your referencing the Body Haley who wrote;

            “If, indeed, the complete removal of thimerosal from vaccines was not followed in an appropriate time by a decrease in autism then this would be solid proof that thimerosal was not causal for autism.”

            Well, thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines in the U.S. by 2002, and what happened to the rates of autism diagnoses, Ronald?

            Are you referencing the Boyd Haley (and his company) who had been “marketing a chelating agent – a powerful, highly toxic chemical that removes mercury from the bloodstream – as a treatment for autism”?

            You know.. for money? That depended on a link between thimerosal and autism to push their OSR#1? Is that the Boyd Haley you are referencing, Ronald?

            The same Boyd Haley who coined the phrase “mad child disease” for autistic children?

            … …

            Still batting 1000, Ronald.. on being wrong at each and every turn. Well done, you.

            (Sources: Forbes | “Another Hero Of The Anti-Vaccine Movement Bites The Dust”
            LBRB | “Is Boyd Haley resurrecting OSR#1 as a chelator? )

          • Ron Roy

            Thimerosal is still used i the production of vaccines and although the amount left in vaccine s is much lower than it was if you add in the thimerosal in the flu vaccines given to pregnant mothers and their babies the amount hasn’t dropped substantially And something you didn’t figure in was the aluminum. in vaccine increases the toxicity of the mercury still in vaccines. As far as Haley wanting to make money from a chelating agent so what. You’re MEDICAL MAFIA makes money destroying the immune systems of helpless babies every day. One of your principal GODS Paul Offit has made millions of the rotavirus vaccine

            And from Green Med Info: ”A study published in Journal of Virology revealed that his
            multi-million dollar grossing patent on the Rotateq vaccine contains a
            live simian retrovirus (with a 96% match of certainty) that has likely
            infected millions of children over the past few years with a virus that
            causes great harm. Retrovirus infections are permanent, and can carry
            on indefinitely into future generations. In other words, once they are
            inserted into the human genome they can not be removed.”
            Still batting 0 at telling the truth hey Proponent. WHALE / VACCINE folks go see what the MEDICAL MAFIA doesn’t want you to know.

          • Proponent

            Geez, Ronald.. I am getting the impression that you simply regurgitate anything (and I mean anything) that crosses your path with nary a critical eye.

            Particularly if it is in line with your extreme confirmation bias and without actually reading it.

            From the study that you are propping up in your post/comment..

            “Despite an extensive record of safety and efficacy, common misconceptions remain regarding vaccine safety, resulting in reduced childhood vaccination and the resurgence of vaccine-preventable infections. Given that live-attenuated viral vaccines are safe, effective, and relatively inexpensive, their use against human and animal pathogens should be encouraged. The application of high-throughput sequencing and microarrays provides effective means to interrogate current and future vaccines for genetic variants of the attenuated viruses and the presence of adventitious viruses. The wide range of sequences detectable by these methods (endogenous retroviruses, bacterial and other nucleic acids whose taxonomic origin cannot be determined, and adventitious viruses, such as PCV1) is an expected outcome of closer scrutiny to the nucleic acids present in vaccines and not necessarily a reflection of unsafe products.”

          • Ron Roy

            Spoken like a true shill. WHALE / VACCINE folks go see the truth for yourself. One hour on WHALE / VACCINE and you will know more than your doctor about vaccines.

          • Proponent

            Uh, Ronald.. I know you are in a bit of a tizzy now, however, that was from the study that you brought up in your post/comment.

            Sheesh.. you’re terribad at this discussion stuff.

          • suz norkan

            Gag! Puke! Not the ‘terribad’ shlt again!

            Learn some grammar, you witless parrot! Like your friend dumb dumb, you look more foolish with every parroted post you make, parrot Pro!

          • suz norkan

            “Spoken like a true shill.” Or in parrot Pro’s case, ‘parrot parrot parrot parrot parrot parrot parrot… bla yada pfft parrot parrot parrot!’

            Not an ORIGINAL thought in that witless brain of his rr! 😉

          • shay simmons

            One hour on WHALE / VACCINE and you will believe that you know more than your doctor about vaccines, but only if you are an arrogant idiot

            FTFY.

          • nworder

            DOCTORS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT VACCINES – THEY ARE JUST THE SALESMEN FOR GANGSTA MEDICA – Doctors dont even read the inserts .
            But most doctors know enough to avoid the needle and for their children to also .

            Does a car salesman know about how a car works ? DIMBO

          • shay simmons

            Just because a statement is in all caps, doesn’t make it true.

            Most doctors vaccinate themselves and their families.

            “Overall, out of 466 respondents who reported having
            children, 438 (94%) stated that they followed ACIP
            recommendations regarding vaccination. This rate was
            slightly higher among general pediatricians (95% vs 93%)
            but the difference was not statistically significant. Overall
            rates for individual vaccines were considerably high
            ranging from 97% to 100% for both general pediatricians
            and specialists.

            “Vaccination practices among physicians and their children,” Michael Martin and
            , Vahe Badalyan, 2012.

          • nworder

            YOUR FIGURES ARE POCKLED FROM SOMEWHERE

            THE HEALTHY HOME ECONOMIST :-

            Here is a quotation from this study:

            Ten percent of pediatricians and 21% of pediatric specialists claim they would not follow [CDC] recommendations for future progeny.
            Despite their education, physicians in this study expressed concern over the safety of vaccines.
            Given that such a large percentage of pediatricians reject at least some (if not all) vaccines for their own children and do not follow the CDC’s timetable on when to administer vaccines to their own children, how could laws be justified which disallow the same right of refusal to parents such as what is happening right now in California, New Jersey and others?

            ME – WHO WOULD ABUSE THEIR CHILDREN WITH THIS LOAD OF JUNK :-

            MSG, antifreeze, phenol (used as a disinfectant), formaldehyde (cancer causing and used to embalm), aluminum (associated with alzheimer’s disease and seizures), glycerin (toxic to the kidney, liver, can cause lung damage, gastrointestinal damage and death), lead, cadmium, sulfates, yeast proteins, antibiotics, acetone (used in nail polish remover), neomycin (antibiotic) and streptomycin (antibiotic).

            Thimerosol (more toxic than mercury, a preservative still used in many vaccines, not easily filtered out even in “mercury free” vaccines, can cause severe neurological damage as well as other life threatening autoimmune disease).

            These vaccines are grown and strained through animal or human tissue, like monkey and dog kidney tissue, chick embryo, calf serum, human diploid cells (the dissected organs of aborted fetuses), pig blood, horse blood and rabbit brain. The potential for contamination with undetected, extremely serious animal viruses is very high.

          • shay simmons

            I provided the title and author of my evidence.

          • nworder

            SO DID I

          • shay simmons

            The Healthy Home Economist’s blog is not research.

          • nworder

            NEITHER IS PAUL OFFIT

          • Ron Roy

            These are your safe vaccines: “The role of vaccines, particularly the whole-cell pertussis (whooping
            cough) vaccine can be understood when it is realised that this vaccine contains a variable
            and uncontrollable amount of endotoxin that is injected and absorbed, unaltered, into the
            blood. It does not even go first to the liver where attempts to detoxify it could be made.
            If an infant happens to be particularly sensitive to endotoxin when the vaccine is
            injected, brain damage or death can result….It should be now apparent that any infant
            with gastrointestinal problems – abnormal organisms, intestinal parasites, loose bowel
            motions resulting from the use of antibiotics, and malabsorption of food (including
            lactose intolerance) – is liable, when further stressed, to produce endotoxin and this can
            end in a SIDS….If the Vitamin C status of an infant is borderline, the
            administration of a vaccine, particularly (but not only) pertussis vaccine, can result in
            endotoxaemia. This results in a severe reaction to the vaccine, a tremendous increase in
            the need for Vitamin C, and the precipitation of some of the signs and/or symptoms of
            acute scurvy. The onset of this may be so rapid that the classical signs of scurvy may be
            absent. Sudden death, sudden unconsciousness, sudden shock or sudden spontaneous bruising
            and haemorrhage (including brain and retinal haemorrhages) may occur. Haemorrhage and
            bruising in such cases can be wrongly attributed to the ‘battered baby
            syndrome’.”—Dr
            Kalokerinos MD (Medical Pioneer of the 20th century p186
            “Being a skeptical soul, I have always believed that the most
            reliable way to determine what people really believe is to observe what they do, not what
            they say. If the greatest threat of rubella is not to children, but to the fetus yet
            unborn, pregnant women should be protected against rubella by making certain that their
            obstetricians won’t give them the disease. Yet, in a California survey reported in the Journal
            of the American Medical Association, more than 90 percent of the
            obstetrician-gynecologists refused to be vaccinated. If doctors themselves are afraid of
            the vaccine, why on earth should the law require that you and other parents allow them to
            administer it to your kids?”–Dr Mendelsohn MD
            “There are significant risks associated with every
            immunization and numerous contraindictions that may make it dangerous for the shots to be
            given to your child….There is growing suspicion that immunization against relatively
            harmless childhood diseases may be responsible for the dramatic increase in autoimmune
            diseases since mass inoculations were introduced. These are fearful diseases such as
            cancer, leukemia, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrig’s disease, lupus
            erthematosus, and the Guillain-Barre syndrome.” Dr Mendelsohn, M.D.
            “Did you know that the whooping cough germ, Bacillus pertussis,
            when injected into animals, has long been known to lead to the secretion of insulin?
            In 1979, at the Fourth International Symposium on Pertussis, held in Bethesda, Maryland,
            it was shown that this same result occurs in those who have received pertussis vaccine. In
            their publication, “Adverse Reactions after Pertussis Vaccination,” Drs. W.
            Hennessen and U. Quast suggest, “It seemed of interest to examine these reactions in
            comparison with the hypoglycemia syndrome.. . .There was a close relation between the
            two.’ If your child has juvenile diabetes (a disease characterized by
            wide swings in blood sugar levels), ask your doctor if he has ever heard of this effect of
            whooping cough vaccine. Maybe it’s time to investigate whether the pertussis vaccine
            has anything to do with the rapidly rising number of people with juvenile diabetes, adult
            diabetes, and hypoglycemic all disorders of insulin metabolism.”—Dr Mendelsohn MD
            (the Peoples Doctor Vol 6 No10)

          • Proponent

            So, what does Ronald do by way of a response?

            Regurgitates an illegible, disjointed wall of text.

            Well done, Ronald.

            (p.s. Btw.. TL;DR.)

          • nworder

            RESIDENT SITE IDIOTS AND TROLLS LIKE YOU SHOULD BE ELIMINATED.

          • Ron Roy

            At a loss for any real rebuttal I see. No surprise there.

          • shay simmons

            From Kalokerinos and Mendelsohn, no less. Ron’s sources are still cr*p but at least he’s giving them credit.

          • nworder

            Dr Mendelsohn MD was a great man – fearless – “they ” probably did him in.

          • Ron Roy

            ”One of the compound’s 23 atoms is a mercury atom–did you have appoint?”WROGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!! 49% of thimerosal is mercury NOT i atom out of 23. A shill to the end hey?

          • JGC

            Here’s the chemical formula for thimerosal:

            C9H9HgNaO2S (9 carbon atoms, 9 hydrogen atoms, 1 mercury atom, 1 sodium atom, 2 oxygen atoms, 1 sulfur atom). 9 + 9 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 1 = 23 atoms total, of which only one is a mercury atom.
            You’re entitled to your own opinions, as wrong as they are, but to your own facts.

          • nworder

            MERCURY DANGER DOSE IS 1 PART PER MILLION 1PPM

            ONE DIVIDED BY NINETEEN ATOMS = 52000 PARTS OF MERCURY PER MILLION OF THIMEROSOL

            SHOT DOWN IN FLAMES AGAIN JGC

          • JGC

            1 PPM thimerosal works out to 1 mg thimerosal per liter of solution, or 50 ug per half-mL (the volume of a vaccine inoculation). used as a preservative in multidose vaccine vials, however, thimerosal is present at 25 ug per half-mL (half that 1 ppm limit).

            Note also that the “1 part per million” limitation on mercury you cite is the limit for methyl mercury contamination in ingested seafood, not for thimerosal or for ethylmercury (the form of mercury thimerosal metabolizes to form following injection) in vaccine formulations.

          • nworder

            INGESTED MAKES THE POSITION MUCH MUCH WORSE – THE DIGESTIVE SYSTEM HAS MECHANISMS TO AVOID SOME ABSORPTION
            BUT INJECTING BABIES IS 100% ABSORPTION OF DEADLY ETHYL MERCURY .

          • JGC

            Your evidence that at exposure levels achievable by routine childhood vaccination thimerosal is toxic or otherwise harmful would be what exactly, nworder? Be specific.
            I mean, you do actually have some–right? Your argument does take some form other than “Ooooh-mercury. Scary stuff!”, doesn’t it?

          • nworder

            MORE TROLL CHAFF FROM JGC.

            Autism: A Unique Type of Mercury Poisoning Sallie Bernard*
            Albert Enayati, B.S., Ch.E., M.S.M.E.**
            Teresa Binstock Heidi Roger Lyn Redwood, R.N., M.S.N., C.R.N.P.
            Woody McGinnis, M.D.

            THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THREE THOUSAND TRILLION TRILLION MOLECULES OF TOXIC MERCURY SEEMS ENOUGH TO ME .

            SYNOPSIS
            A review of medical literature indicates that the characteristics of autism and of mercury poisoning (HgP) are strikingly similar. Traits defining or associated with both disorders are summarized in Table A immediately following the Table of Contents and are discussed and cited in the body of this document. The parallels between the two diseases are so thorough as to suggest, based on total Hg injected into U.S. children, that many cases of autism are a form of mercury poisoning.

            For these children, the exposure route is childhood vaccines, most of which contain thimerosal, a preservative which is 49.6% ethylmercury by weight.

            The amount of mercury a typical child under two years receives from vaccinations equates to 237.5 micrograms, or 3.53 x 1017 molecules (353,000,000,000,000,000 molecules). Most such vaccinal Hg may not be excreted and instead migrates to the brain.

            The total amount injected into infants and toddlers (i) is known to exceed Federal safety standards, (ii) is officially considered to be a “low” level; whereby (iii) only a small percentage of exposed individuals exhibit symptoms of toxicity.
            In fact, children who develop Hg-related autism are likely to have had a predisposition derived from genetic and non-genetic factors.

            Importantly, the timings of vaccinal Hg-exposure and its latency period coincide with the emergence of autistic-symptoms in specific children. Moreover, excessive mercury has been detected in urine, hair, and blood samples from autistic children; and parental reports, though limited at this date, indicate significant improvement in symptoms subsequent to heavy-metal chelation therapy.

          • JGC

            Would that be the Lyn Redwood and Sallie Bernard whoare entries #334 and 1375, respectively, in the Encyclopdeia of American Loons?
            “Most such vaccinal Hg may not be excreted and instead migrates to the brain.”

            I’m sorry, but this is false. Following injection thimerosal rapidly dissociates to form ethyl (not methyl) mercury and is rapidly eliminated from the body, primarily by fecal excretion. Ethyl mercury has a half-life of less than 4 days and a vaccinated infant’s blood mercury level returns to pre-vaccination levels by 30 days after immunization. (see Mercury Levels in Newborns and Infants After Receipt of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines, Pichichero et al, Pediatrics Vol. 121 No. 2 February 1, 2008 pp. e208 -e214)

            “The total amount injected into infants and toddlers (i) is known to exceed Federal safety standards”
            Citation needed.

            ‘In fact, children who develop Hg-related autism are likely to have had a predisposition derived from genetic and non-genetic factors.”
            Citation truly, madly , desparately needed demonstrating that such a thing as “Hg-related autism” has been shown to exist.

            “Moreover, excessive mercury has been detected in urine, hair, and blood samples from autistic children”
            Detected by means of provoked or unprovoked testing (i.e., were the subjects administered a chelating agent before their urine was collected for analysis?

          • Ron Roy

            No matter how you try and TWIST the truth 49% of thimerosal is STILL mercury.

          • JGC

            I’m not twisting the truth: expressing the composition of a molecule in terms of the weight of the atoms which make it up is meaningless: it tells you nothing about the molecule ‘s biochemical properties nor does it argue that the molecule’s properties will be similar to any given element’s properties..
            Someone has already made this point, but table salt is roughly 39% sodium, but that doesn’t argue its properties will be similar to those of metallic sodium (it won’t react violently when you add it to your soup, for example).

          • Jonathan Graham

            …and about 50% of salt is chlorine which again you will probably be able to ingest less of than salt before you suffer harm. Or maybe not, try it this weekend. 🙂

          • nworder

            HOW DEADLY TOXIC IS MERCURY ESPECIALLY IF IT COMBINED WITH A SALT.
            THIS LAB ASSISTANT TOOK ALL THE PRECAUTIONS AND DIED WITH A MINUTE AMOUNT OF MERCURY .

            HOW MUCH MORE DEADLY WOULD INJECTING LARGER AMOUNTS OF MERCURY INTO A BABY – NO WONDER AMERICA IS THE WORLD CAPITAL OF AUTISM

            “She used tiny amounts in a fume hood; wore thin, disposable latex gloves; [and] had eye protection, and she was doing work that involved two or three simple steps,” he recalls. But those precautions weren’t enough.
            “At the time of her admission to the hospital, she recounted on two separate occasions her recollection of spilling a tiny amount of the chemical on the dorsum of her left hand near the junction of her forefinger and thumb. She also recounted cleaning the spilled material up-which, presumably, included removing her gloves and washing her hands.”

            In January, Wetterhahn experienced tingly fingers and toes, slurred speech, and balance problems, then constricted vision and hearing loss.
            When she was diagnosed on January 28 with mercury poisoning, her blood mercury exceeded the toxic level 80-fold. Three weeks later, she lapsed into a coma, in which she remained until her death in June.

            In the brief time that she was conscious, Wetterhahn knew precisely what was happening. “Before she went into a coma, she said she wanted everything possible to be done to get the news out to other scientists working with mercury,” reports her physician, David Nierenberg, Edward Tulloh Krumm Professor of Clinical Sciences at Dartmouth. “She was concerned that people immediately increase efforts to use better and safer handling techniques, and that physicians learn to pick up the signs earlier. She was so sick, yet concerned above all about her colleagues.”

          • Jonathan Graham

            Wetterhahn was…

            a) Handling diethylmercury which is the most toxic type of mercury.
            b) at 80x the toxic level she would have a blood level of 4 mg/L.

            Now given b) and knowing that a human has between four and five liters of blood in their body. Can you tell me how many vaccines they would have to get to reach that toxic level?

          • nworder

            She would never have got 4 mg per liter through tiny drops on the skin from what she was doing so your calculation inferences must be wrong .

            Putting mercury on the skin is nothing like injecting ethyl or methyl mercury right into the bloodstream.
            One vaccine is enough to poison an infant for life – 50 – 70 jabs by 17 years will be the suicide of America except for the doctors who refuse them

          • Jonathan Graham

            She would never have got 4 mg per liter through tiny drops on the skin

            4mg/L is what 80 times the toxic level is. So if she didn’t have that much then your article is lying. Yes it’s possible to get it from a few drops. Why? The density of mercury is 13g per cubic centimeter. Yes 13000 mg in 1 mL. Which means she only needed 20 mg or 1/650th of a mL. Easy to get with a drop or two.

            Putting mercury on the skin is nothing like injecting ethyl or methyl mercury right into the bloodstream.

            Wrong. Dimethylmercury easily passes right through your skin into your blood and into your brain.

            One vaccine is enough to poison an infant for life

            You didn’t answer the math question I gave you. To get the level of mercury in your bloodstream that Wetterhahn had from vaccines would be exceptionally difficult. 25 mcg in a multidose flu vaccine. You need 20mg in your bloodstream to give you 4 mg/L. So that would take about 800 vaccines to reach this level.

          • nworder

            TRACE AMOUNTS – WHO WOULD RISK MENTAL RETARDATION FOR A VACCINE THAT DOES NOT EVEN WORK – EVEN THE MANUFACTURER E LIILY HAS 25 MICROGRAMS AS A DANGER LEVEL – IF YOU ARE NOT FAKE AND ARE A DOCTOR YOU SHOULD BE LOCKED UP

            Lie # 1 “Thimerosal, 49.55% mercury by weight, is safe when used as a preservative in vaccines and other drugs.”

            The Facts: The Eli Lilly Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for Thimerosal acknowledges that exposure to Thimerosal in utero and in children can cause “mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe gross motor impairment.” The Sigma Aldrich MSDS lists abortion and fetal death as possible outcomes of in utero exposure.

            Nonetheless, most seasonal and H1N1 flu shots for pregnant women and young children contain 25 micrograms of mercury in the form of Thimerosal.

            For this exposure to be safe, a child would need to weigh more than 550 pounds.

            Thimerosal is a poison, neurotoxin, cancer-causer, and can interrupt the immune system and the normal development of an unborn baby or a child. Thimerosal is so toxic that putting it on your skin is illegal. However, the government not only allows but also defends its injection into the population, especially pregnant women and newborn children, as part of influenza vaccines currently recommended by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

          • Jonathan Graham

            I’m just pointing out that your story has nothing at all to do with what is in vaccines. It’s both a completely different and much more deadly form of mercury and the dose was hundreds of times higher. Please check your facts before you post things like that.

            As for your other stuff: Sure mercury and even thiomersal can cause cognitive/motor problems but it’s in doses so much higher than what you get in vaccines you might as well be comparing it to water toxicity. Also I doubt most influenza vaccines have this anymore. I haven’t seen a multi-dose vial in years. So your information is both inaccurate and out of date.

          • nworder

            JONATHAN’S LIE NO 2
            MERCURY IS ALWAYS THE SAME – ITS THE ATTACHED SALT THAT CHANGES lol

            TRACE AMOUNTS ? WEBSITE

            Lie #2 “Mercury was removed from all childhood vaccines in (pick any year between 1999 and the present).”

            The Facts: After “realizing” the amount of mercury in the childhood vaccination schedule recommended by the CDC exceeded all national and global maximum safety limits, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the United States Public Health Service called for the immediate removal of Thimerosal from all vaccines on July 7, 1999.

            By 2003, the vaccine manufacturers had begun to react to the 1999 call by lowering the mercury content in many of the Thimerosal-preserved early childhood vaccines. However, in April of 2002, the CDC began recommending that pregnant women and very young children get annual Thimerosal-preserved flu shots.
            The result was a ‘shell game’ which has caused widespread confusion in the public because of press reports declaring, “Since (select a year between 1999 and the present), mercury has been removed from all recommended vaccines for children except for some flu shots.”

            Astoundingly, the total level of mercury exposure, if a child receives all the possible CDC-recommended vaccinations that are still Thimerosal preserved, from 6 months to 18 years of age, has actually increased.

            Significantly, if you put the amount of mercury added to the immunization schedule as a result of the CDC-recommended seasonal and (in 2009) H1N1 flu shots** on one side of a scale, and the amount of mercury that was subtracted from that schedule by reformulating early childhood vaccines without Thimerosal on the other side, the total amount of mercury added far outweighs the amount of mercury subtracted.

            In addition, today most tetanus shots and the multi-dose Sanofi Menomune® vaccine that are approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) still contain 25-micrograms-a-dose mercury.

            Currently, the actions taken by the vaccine manufacturers, the FDA and the CDC have increased the possible maximum childhood exposure to mercury from vaccines to twice the level that triggered the 1999 call to remove mercury from all vaccines as soon as possible!
            Also, new vaccine formulations with 25 micrograms of mercury per 0.5-mL dose are still being approved by the FDA for administration to pregnant women and children.

            **Most doses of these flu vaccines are Thimerosal-preserved.

          • Jonathan Graham

            MERCURY IS ALWAYS THE SAME – ITS THE ATTACHED SALT THAT CHANGES

            So first you lied by using an story that had nothing to do with your position. It neither used the same kind of mercury and there was no salt involved. Is there any reason you can’t admit your ignorance of chemistry made you think that story had anything at all to do with vaccines?

          • nworder

            OF COURSE IT IS TO DO WITH VACCINES – YOU ARE LUDICROUS
            METHYL MERCURY IS AN ORGANIC SALT AND IS FAR MORE DANGEROUS THAN INORGANIC MERCURY OR AN INORGANIC SALT.

            BUT THE POINT YOU MISSED IS THAT THE ETHYL MERCURY IN VACCINES TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY – AND THEY ARE BOTH DEADLY.
            ONCE AGAIN THE METAL MERCURY DOES NOT CHANGE BUT THE ATTACHED SALT CHANGES – you sill moo !

            HEALTH AND WELLNESS :-
            However, vaccinators AND JONATHAN continue to harp on the claim that the ethylmercury compound is much safer than that of the methylmercury compound, even when injected directly into the human body.
            Yet, although this claim has been repeated ad nauseam, the science says something different.

            Indeed, the science actually demonstrates the OPPOSITE of the pro-vaccine claims, as ethylmercury actually metabolizes as methylmercury within the human body, leaving the individual with the toxic form of mercury that even vaccinators admit to be dangerous.

            As Eileen Danneman writes in her article, Establishment Safety Debate: Thimerosal in Vaccines vs. Admittedly Dangerous Methylmercury, upon reviewing two key published studies on mercury metabolism (one in rats and one in human infants), Dr. Paul King has come to the conclusion that,

            “during the metabolic process in the human and animal bodies the supposedly ‘harmless’ ethylmercury compound, Thimerosal, is metabolized (converted) into the toxic and ‘harmful’ methylmercury.
            And then in turn, the harmful methylmercury is metabolized (converted) into the most harmful, long-term-toxic, ‘inorganic’ mercury that is retained in bodily tissue.”

            JONATHAN SHOT DOWN IN FLAMES …………….. again !

          • Jonathan Graham

            METHYL MERCURY IS AN ORGANIC SALT

            No, a salt is formed by the neutralization of acid and a base. Dimethylmercury is formed by the combination of elemental mercury, sodium and methyl iodide. So no, it’s not a salt, it’s an organomercury compound.

            BUT THE POINT YOU MISSED IS THAT THE ETHYL MERCURY IN VACCINES TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY

            But it won’t turn into dimethylmercury. It’s not a naturally occurring compound. So unless you can show objective evidence of dimethylmercury spontaneously getting created in the human body. Your story is irrelevant.

            vaccinators AND JONATHAN continue to harp on the claim that the ethylmercury compound is much safer than that of the methylmercury compound,

            What we’re talking about is dimethylmercury something you would have no exposure to unless you worked in a toxicology lab. So yes, the mercury in vaccines isn’t ever going to be dimethylmercury and – of course – the doses are completely different.

          • nworder

            ONCE AGAIN METHYL MERCURY IS AN ORGANIC SALT – WHEN YOU’RE DIGGING A HOLE – STOP DIGGING – lol

            Abstract from pub med
            Ethylmercury (etHg) is derived from the metabolism of thimerosal (o-carboxyphenyl-thio-ethyl-sodium SALT), which is the most widely used form of organic mercury.

            Source & ©: UNEP Global Mercury Assessment report, Summary of the Report,
            Chapter 2, paragraphs 39 to 43 :-

            “Like the inorganic mercuric compounds, both methylmercury and phenylmercury exist as “SALTS ” (for example, methylmercuric chloride or phenylmercuric acetate). When pure, most forms of methylmercury and phenylmercury are white crystalline solids. Dimethylmercury, however, is a colourless liquid.”

            LOL

          • Jonathan Graham

            methLike the inorganic mercuric compounds, both methylmercury and phenylmercury exist as “SALTS ” (for example, methylmercuric chloride or phenylmercuric acetate).

            Translating English to English for you is apparently my job now. Here phenylmercuric acetate and methylmercuric choloride are the salts. It’s just telling you that these are the salt forms of the element. Salts, as I’ll remind you are the result of neutralizing an acid and base. So in the case of phenlmercuric acetate we are neutralizing acetic acid.

            When pure, most forms of methylmercury and phenylmercury are white crystalline solids. Dimethylmercury, however, is a colourless liquid.

            Hmmm…what could the words “when pure” mean? I’ll give you a hint. it’s referencing this statement from earlier in the same report:

            Mercury is rarely found in nature as the pure, liquid metal, but rather within compounds and inorganic salts.

            Note two things, a) Mercury isn’t always a salt and b) when they are talking about “pure mercury” they’re talking about the metal not the salt.

          • nworder

            THE WORD SALT IS USED FOR ORGANIC OR INORGANIC SALT – AND WE ALL KNOW MERCURY CAN BE ON ITS OWN.

            YOU ARE JUST BEING A PEDANTIC FOOL SINCE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE LOST THE ARGUMENT THAT ALL FORMS OF MERCURY ARE TREMENDOUSLY TOXIC.
            Which you “allegedly” got injected into your kids

            THE “SALT” REFERENCE IS FROM SCIENTIFIC PAPERS .

          • Jonathan Graham

            YOU ARE JUST BEING A PEDANTIC FOOL SINCE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE LOST THE ARGUMENT THAT ALL FORMS OF MERCURY ARE TREMENDOUSLY TOXIC.

            The argument was that you posted a story (which happens to be true) and attempted to argue by analogy that if someone could die over such small amounts of mercury then clearly what is in vaccines is equally dangerous.

            However this argument you lost because this is not only a far more deadly kind of mercury but the dose the person received is something like 800 times greater than what is in vaccines. So your argument is actually LESS applicable than talking about the risk represented by an 8oz glass of water based on a story about someone who died of water toxicity (which is merely magnifying the risk by a factor of 25 or 30 rather than 800).

          • nworder

            ITS VERY HARD TO FOLLOW WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY
            You are saying the dose that she received is 800 times greater but we dont know the exact dose since it was through the skin .
            However A VACCINE GOES STRAIGHT INTO THE BLOOD AND A BABY IS 15 TIMES SMALLER THAN THE LAB ASSISTANT WHO DIED OF MERCURY POISONING – THROUGH HER SKIN AND A PROTECTIVE GLOVE

            ALSO ETHYL MERCURY IS DEADLIER THAN JUST MERCURY – MUCH MORE DEADLY.
            AND ETHYL MERCURY METABOLISES INTO THE MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE DANGEROUS METHYL MERCURY that even vaccinationists admit is even worse.

            PLUS 50 – 70 VACCINES ARE NOW GIVEN WITH EVEN MORE ETHYL AND METHYL MERCURY .

            SO YOUR 800 TIMES IS B.S. AS IS MOST OF WHAT YOU SAY .

          • Jonathan Graham

            You are saying the dose that she received is 800 times greater but we dont know the exact dose since it was through the skin .

            We know that her dose caused her blood levels to be raised to 80 times the toxic level. The toxic level is 0.05 mg/L ergo she had about 4 mg/L or 4000 mcg/L. The average person has 4-5 liters of blood. A vaccine has about 25 mcg of mercury or about 6 mcg/L. 4000/6 = 600. So actually I was off a bit this was about 600 times more than the blood level achieved through vaccination. Now your example was about an adult. Let’s assume your argument is about an infant which has a blood volume of about .28 L. 25 mcg would give them 90 mcg/L or about 44 times less than a comparable dose. Still less applicable than talking about water toxicity! Of course at this point you will shift your story to premature children at which point we are now looking at .24 L and about 38 times less. Still not quite as relevant as water toxicity…and still your story is an argument by false analogy.

          • nworder

            THIS IS A MAINSTREAM MEDICINE ARTICLE AND THEY SAID SHE SHOWED 80 TIMES THE SAFE LEVEL IN HER BLOOD – THEY HAD TO SAY THIS TO DOWN PLAY THE SEVERITY OF THE TOXICITY OF MERCURY .
            AND YOU BY FALSE ANALOGY WORKED THIS OUT TO BE 40 MG EVEN THOUGH THE ARTICLE DOES NOT STATE ANY FIGURE HERE.

            FOR THE LAB ASSISTANT TO ABSORB THIS AMOUNT OF MERCURY THROUGH HER SKIN THROUGH A GLOVE WOULD MEAN SHE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LARGE HOLE BETWEEN HER FINGER AND THUMB OR A MOUTH .

            WHAT IT REALLY MEANS AS THE START OF THE ARTICLE SAYS IS THAT A MINUTE AMOUNT OF DIETHYL MERCURY ABSORBED THROUGH GLOVES AND SKIN KILLED THE LAB ASSISTANT SHOWING JUST HOW TOXIC THESE MERCURY COMPOUNDS ARE – THIS IS WHAT YOUR TRYING TO OBFUSCATE BY YOUR CHILDISH PEDANTIC ARGUMENTS SO THAT BIG PHARMA CAN KEEPING DESTROYING INFANTS LIVES – you sicko .

          • Jonathan Graham

            THIS IS A MAINSTREAM MEDICINE ARTICLE AND THEY SAID SHE SHOWED 80 TIMES THE SAFE LEVEL IN HER BLOOD – THEY HAD TO SAY THIS TO DOWN PLAY THE SEVERITY OF THE TOXICITY OF MERCURY .

            Unlikely. It’s far more likely they said that because it’s true.

            FOR THE LAB ASSISTANT TO ABSORB THIS AMOUNT OF MERCURY THROUGH HER SKIN THROUGH A GLOVE WOULD MEAN SHE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LARGE HOLE BETWEEN HER FINGER AND THUMB OR A MOUTH .

            Dimethylmercury will pass through a standard latex glove in seconds. Guess how long it takes to penetrate your skin and raise your blood level? Since the density of mercury is 13g per cubic centimeter. She only needed 20 mg or 1/650th of a mL to raise her blood level to 80x the toxic dose. So clearly the stated account is reasonable.

          • nworder

            YOU HAVE MULTIPLE IDENTITY UPTICK SYNDROME – lol
            FOR LAB ASSISTANT AROUND 200mg per 70kg IS LETHAL SO 80 TIMES THIS
            WOULD BE 16 GRAMS OF DIMETHYL MERCURY THROUGH HER SKIN ON HER THUMB AND FOREFINGER .
            YOU ARE ALSO MISTAKENLY USING THE DENSITY OF MERCURY RATHER THAN THE DENSITY OF DIETHYL MERCURY .
            THIS ASSUMES THAT DIETHYL AND METHYL ARE AROUND THE SAME TOXICITY AS WELL AS YOU FAVORITE ETHYL MERCURY WHICH TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY ANYWAY .

            SO A TINY AMOUNT KILLS A 70kg WOMAN – SO LETS INJECT IT INTO 3kg BABIES .

            PUBMED
            Neurotoxicity OF METHYL MERCURY :-
            The neurotoxicity of methylmercury is well known through worldwide intoxication incidents and studies regarding low concentration exposure.
            Methylmercury is a strong toxin that influences enzymes, cell membrane function, and neuron delivery materials; causes oxidative stress, lipid peroxidation, and mitochondria dysfunction; and distracts synapse transmission, microtubule composition, amino acid transport, and cellular migration in growing brains [14]. It is reported that there are motor disturbances such as ataxia and trembling, and dysesthesia such as impaired vision [5].

            It was first discovered that methymercury had fatal effects on the brain development of fetuses through mercury poisoning incidents in Minamata, Japan in the 1950s [6].
            While there were only trivial or no symptoms of intoxication in mothers, infants showed central nervous disturbances such as paralysis and intelligence disorders. In the hair of Minamata residents, 280 to 760 ppm of mercury was detected [11].

            Considering that the hair mercury concentration of normal people is 2 ppm, 5 mg/70 kg is defined as mercury poisoning, and 150 to 300 mg/70 kg is a lethal dose; it is a very high concentration [11]. All the children with Minamata disease suffered from mental retardation, cerebellar ataxia, physical growth disorder, dysarthria, and limb deformities.
            Most of them showed hyperkinesis, hypersalivation, seizures, and strabismus [6,12].

          • Jonathan Graham

            FOR LAB ASSISTANT AROUND 200mg per 70kg IS LETHAL SO 80 TIMES THIS
            WOULD BE 16 GRAMS OF DIMETHYL MERCURY THROUGH HER SKIN ON HER THUMB AND FOREFINGER .

            Not 80X the lethal dose. 80X the toxic dose. Different thing. Secondly the story gives the value in terms of blood level not mg/kg. Toxic dose in blood level is considered to be 0.05 mg/L. 80X that is 4mg/L

            YOU ARE ALSO MISTAKENLY USING THE DENSITY OF MERCURY RATHER THAN THE DENSITY OF DIETHYL MERCURY .

            Good catch. Still at 3g per ml it’s trivial to get 4mg into your bloodstream. 1/150 of a ml is well within the amount described.

          • nworder

            IF A KILLER DOSE OF THAT AMOUNT CAN BE ABSORBED THROUGH UNBROKEN SKIN AND A LAB GLOVE THE WORLD WOULD BE FULL OF DEAD LAB ASSISTANTS .
            IT WAS THE LETHALITY OF THE COMPOUNDS DIETHYL , METHYL AND ETHYL MERCURY THAT CAUSED HER DEATH – SO THEY HAD TO PLAY DOWN THE
            SCENARIO OR PEOPLE WOULD BEGIN TO QUESTION THE ETHYL AND METHYL
            IN THEIR BABIES VACCINES.

          • Jonathan Graham

            IF A KILLER DOSE OF THAT AMOUNT CAN BE ABSORBED THROUGH UNBROKEN SKIN AND A LAB GLOVE THE WORLD WOULD BE FULL OF DEAD LAB ASSISTANTS .

            Dimethylmercury is rarely used so no. Again you make the argument that this anecdote has nothing to do with what is in vaccines.

          • nworder

            TWO DROPS DOES NOT EQUATE TO YOUR MATHS .
            IT IS FRIGHTENING HOW TOXIC MERCURY IS – THEY WILL HAVE TO OBFUSCATE THIS

            AMERICAN COUNCIL ON SCIENCE AND HEALTH
            Two Drops Of Death: Dimethylmercury

            In 1996, Professor Karen Wetterhahn, an organometallic chemist (1) at Dartmouth College, was running an experiment that required the use of a chemical called dimethylmercury, a colorless, volatile, sweet-smelling liquid(2).
            She was using all proper safety precautions — protective clothing, gloves, and most important, a negative pressure fume hood(3). During the transfer, Wetterhahn spilled one or two drops of the liquid on the back of one of her latex gloves(4). After five months, she began to display symptoms of severe neurological impairment, and was hospitalized.
            Three weeks later she slipped into a coma. Five months later she was dead from mercury poisoning. There was nothing that could be done to save her life, including chelation therapy(5).

          • Jonathan Graham

            TWO DROPS DOES NOT EQUATE TO YOUR MATHS .

            A drop is roughly 0.05 ml. Two drops is about 0.2 mL. That is 1/5 ml – since we only need 1/150th of a mL. It is more than sufficient.

          • nworder

            TWO DROPS IS NOT 16 GRAMS OR 8 GRAMS OR EVEN 4 GRAMS – NOT EVEN 2 GRAMS OF MERCURY AND EVEN IF IT WAS 1/2 A GRAM ONLY A SMALL PROPORTION OF THAT WOULD GO THE SKIN AND A GLOVE .

            SO THERE IS SOMETHING SINISTER ABOUT THIS CASE TRYING TO PRETEND THAT SHE HAD 80 TIMES THE “NORMAL” TOXIC DOSE .

            THE REAL REASON IS THE INCREDIBLE TOXICITY OF THIS MERCURY COMPOUND DIETHYL MERCURY WHICH WILL BE SIMILAR TO ETHYL AND METHYL.

          • Jonathan Graham

            TWO DROPS IS NOT 16 GRAMS OR 8 GRAMS OR EVEN 4 GRAMS – NOT EVEN 2 GRAMS OF MERCURY AND EVEN IF IT WAS 1/2 A GRAM ONLY A SMALL PROPORTION OF THAT WOULD GO THE SKIN AND A GLOVE .

            Two drops is about 0.1 mL. 0.1 ml = .3 g of diethylmercurity. .3 g = 300 mg. Toxic blood level: 0.05 mg/L. Eighty-times the toxic blood level: 4mg/L or 20mg. So we only need 1/15th of the spilled amount to penetrate. Every chemistry book clearly indicates that dimethylmercury can easily penetrate the skin and even latex gloves. It is known to be the deadliest form of mercury for this reason.

            So there is nothing sinister, nothing abnormal about this case whatsoever. The math is pretty clear. If you do the math that is – which you haven’t because you like having a scary story in your backpocket so you can deceive people. Your belief requires that every chemistry book and MSDS has been doctored. Which of course is silly.

          • nworder

            FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS MERCURY HAS BEEN USED BY MAD DOCTORS TO POISON THE HUMAN RACE WHILST PRETENDING CURES FOR WORMS , SYPHILIS – YOU NAME IT – SO MEDICAL BOOKS HAVE BEEN ” DOCTORED” FOR LONGER THAN YOU SAY.

            ONCE AGAIN ETHYL AND METHYL MERCURY ARE BOTH HIGHLY TOXIC ESPECIALLY TO BABIES AND PREGNANT MOTHERS SO NO AMOUNT OF TWISTING AND TURNING BY YOU WILL CHANGE THAT

            PUB MED :-
            Thimerosal and Animal Brains: New Data for Assessing Human Ethylmercury Risk

            Brain concentrations of total mercury were approximately 3–4 times lower in the thimerosal group than in the methylmercury group, and total mercury cleared more rapidly in the thimerosal group (with a half-life of 24.2 days versus 59.5 days).

            However, the proportion of inorganic mercury in the brain was much higher in the thimerosal group (21–86% of total mercury) compared to the methylmercury group (6–10%). Brain concentrations of inorganic mercury were approximately twice as high in the thimerosal group compared to the methylmercury group. Inorganic mercury remains in the brain much longer than organic mercury, with an estimated half-life of more than a year. It’s not currently known whether inorganic mercury presents any risk to the developing brain.

            Given these findings, the researchers caution that risk assessments for thimerosal based on studies using blood mercury measurements may not be valid, depending on the design of the study

          • Jonathan Graham

            FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS MERCURY HAS BEEN USED BY MAD DOCTORS TO POISON THE HUMAN RACE WHILST PRETENDING CURES FOR WORMS , SYPHILIS – YOU NAME IT – SO MEDICAL BOOKS HAVE BEEN ” DOCTORED” FOR LONGER THAN YOU SAY.

            I’m not talking about medical books I’m talking about chemistry books and MSDS sheets. These represent experimentally derived knowledge information on the properties of chemicals. The only leg you have left to stand on is that you – because you’re trying so very hard to delude yourself – can’t believe that 20mg can be absorbed via a topical application of 300mg. I mean you already know it passes easily through the skin compared to elemental mercury. Yet you simply have to believe it is utterly impossible for “easily pass through the skin” to mean “6% passes through the skin”.

            So therefore you dream up the idea that all the chemistry books and MSDS sheets have been altered. Once you realize that it can. Your example becomes irrelevant.

          • nworder

            I AM NEVER SURE OF WHAT POINT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE . ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT ONLY DI METHYL MERCURY IS THE ONLY POISONOUS TYPE OF MERCURY AND THAT ETHYL MERCURY AND METHYL MERCURY ARE NOT POISONOUS AND CAN BE USED AS A SAUCE WITH YOUR FISH AND CHIPS.

            300mg is a 3rd of a gram – more than two drops . Not all of the drops would be absorbed through the skin – before you were saying it was 4 grams – lol .

            In the future they will probably find that ethyl mercury (in vaccines) is almost as poisonous as di ethyl mercury which killed a full grown woman with two tiny drops on a glove – this is why they pretend it was the glove that let 100% through to the skin which also let 100% through strangely .
            And you say 300mg went through both glove and skin 100%
            You will need to speak to the Pentagon to weaponise this compound .

            This is what the vaccinators are worried about and why you their paid mouthpiece keeps harping on about it .

          • Jonathan Graham

            I AM NEVER SURE OF WHAT POINT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE

            I’ve stated it several times. Your story about dimethylmercury is irrelevant because it operates on a scale completely out of touch with the scale of thiomersal in vaccines. Your confusion probably also stems from your cognitive dissonance.

            300mg is a 3rd of a gram – more than two drops

            Nope. A drop is about 0.05ml. A ml of dimethylmercury is ~3 grams. Two drops is about 0.1 ml. Therefore 300mg. Math!

            Not all of the drops would be absorbed through the skin

            We only need 6% of the drops to reach the bloodstream. Math!

            And you say 300mg went through both glove and skin 100%

            Nope, at no point do I say that. I say 20mg went through meaning the glove only needs to be 6% permeable. Math!

          • Or rather 0mcg of mercury since as nworder knows very well – compounds aren’t elements.

          • Jonathan Graham

            Of course, I should be more specific. 800x the dose of thiomersal.

        • AutismDadd

          Yes you should rather than post spam

        • Curious about Satanism

          How about you practice medicine! If you don’t practice medicine, then STFU because you don’t know what are you talking about. Secondly, don’t begin stating BS science which is all corrupt. Have a nice day.

          • 1)I am simply citing what the people who practice medicine say.

            2)Only if you do the same too.

            3)Evidence it’s all corrupt please.

        • James

          Get lost, troll. Nobody is buying the poison you’re selling. Your kind are on the way out. We are awake now.

        • Oboehner

          Basic chemistry hmmmm… How about something else basic, mercury is a neurotoxin, infants being injected with it still have developing nervous systems, but of course it does no harm at all. Makes perfect sense. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/052ca9524459a5b81ed3c0af5f77656d10999fc52ff151256ccb2a5444a7376b.jpg

      • Marten

        And what about the Micro-ships ???????????????????

      • Grace by Faith on yt

        And we really don’t know what’s in them, do we? Should we even trust the vaccine inserts at face value when we know these monsters that created them have two? I think not. My money’s on the probability there’s stuff in these jabs that are more deadly than the deadly ingredients they already admit are in them. They love distraction, misdirection, and half-truths, and they love making money from our illnesses and giving us crap to make us submissive and compliant even more.

    • PollyTickle1

      HRC also was given two pneumococcal vaccines and still got pneumonia.

    • margo1942

      going to make more people sick for the heathcare field and big pharma. i refuse to be abuse.

    • Obie Miller

      I totally agree imgrateful_1. Since we already know all the many reasons we can not trust our “elite” government officials, it would be sheer stupidity to trust them to inject “who knows what” into our bodies.

    • Please learn some basic chemistry.

      • nworder

        You need it pal – you dont know salt contains sodium – lol

        • Please learn how basic logic works. Hint: You just committed the logical fallacy known as a strawman.

          My position is that salt is not sodium – that doesn’t mean it can’t contain it.

          I am well aware that salt = NaCl. That just doesn’t make it either Na or Cl.

    • jaybird

      I know that you can choose the type of flue shot, they have one without the mercury. I have done this in the past. As for anything else in that shot, who knows? I have not researched them.

    • Eileen Kuch

      The majority GOP Congress can negate Obozo’s EO’s; all they need do is pass legislation forbidding forced vaccinations – especially, on infants and young children, as well as on elderly people.
      First of all, vaccines DO NOT prevent infectious diseases .. instead, they lower the immune system, making people more susceptible to diseases such as influenza, measles, etc. That was proven true in Arizona, wherein unvaccinated children who already had the virus were totally immune, and those who were vaccinated weren’t.
      With measles, chicken pox and mumps, once children catch any one of these three, their bodies create enough antibodies to give them permanent immunity. Vaccines against those diseases don’t do that .. Besides lessening immunity to those diseases, the vaccines’ toxic ingredients do far more damage – even lethal damage – to the recipients’ vital organs.

    • George

      Didn’t you know! When you’re in prison you have no rights, and in a captive population area, vaccines are mandatory and forcible administered. Your only options are acceptance or revolution, and all federal agents, including the postal service, are armed to the teeth. Good luck.

    • George Henry

      You are 100% correct!

  • Trico

    Many Prescription Drug patents are expiring with nothing ready to to take their place and continue the money gravy train. To compensate for this, Big Pharma has been going full speed ahead to develop a plethora of Vaccines & Vaccine Combos. Do Not expect the Criminals in government to defy Big Pharma and protect you from this Depopulation Scheme. Only a United America can defeat this EVIL Agenda through non-compliance & resistance and a Massive Notice Of Rejection (phone calls, emails, Tweets, Blog Posts, etc.) to Congress, the President, and BigPharma Executives.

  • rhondareichel

    TRUMP WILL OVERTURN

  • eddysachs

    My bets?…. he’s getting injected with saline in this photo-op as he wraps up his tour of duties whilst obsequiously genuflecting to his ‘shadow master’s’ like a good little tele-prompter/ repeating parrot… by literally guaranteeing that the upward curve of autism + the deleterious effects of whatever toxic poisonous adjuvants contained in this latest demo/genocidal Pandora’s Box concoction… will ensure the steady ‘wasting away’ of the 99% thru a steady attrition… as this will ensure the pHARMAceudical corporations can pick our bones & bank accounts clean as we sicken & die from the insidious effects in this pre-planned ‘cull of useless eaters’ program that has the audacity & chutzpah to charge the American taxpayer’s for our own demise.

    • SuzanneK

      Totally agree with all your sentiments regarding globalist Big Pharma schemes to gain profits and kill people.

      One minor quibble~~that’s a photo shop, not a photo op…….and a very bad photo shop to boot! Please note that the arms on the body are not even remotely the same color as the inserted head of Obama.

      • Johnny Canuck
        • eddysachs

          hahahaha!

          • Jaimi Butler Greeley

            That actually does look like a photoshop of Obama. It has girl hands for pete’s sake and his head is too big for the body! Where are we going to go to escape this medical mafia is what I want to know. Cause I need to head that way soon…

          • Johnny Canuck

            Actually, it was a Photo I copied from some site and then added the fly, the rat and the cheese, the pic of Michael on the mantle, plus the little thinking cloud. Ididn’t touch anything in the image itself.

            Loads of Phun with Photoshop!!!

            Here is my latest, just for fun. It’s in answer to all those that can’t accept Hillary and the Demonicrats demise:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/174558dcb0b7caaaae34e0530d5cfebfbc3521032cccdab5798a73a90f3cda31.jpg

          • HanzP

            Oh yes, Pence carrying the “Make America Great Again” sign in Hebrew going to Israel for instructions…two wings, same plane!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0f550d1c57851d2da94d43c8c1535e4a54e8b97d9a14cdfb8a3a542a6925d575.jpg

          • eddysachs

            clever…did you see the pic of a religious orthodox rabbi or whatever…. wrapped head to foot in bubble guard plastic on a plane some yrs ago because he couldn’t be touched by a woman for some arcane ritual?

          • HanzP

            No, but those Orthodox f@ckers can be weird. One of my sisters used to be an international flight attendant and she would get asked by them if she was on her period when she was doing food service. Of course, Randy Weaver had a bleedin’ shed for the wife and daughter…good times in the shed, I am sure.

          • eddysachs

            Can’t help but correlate the neoziocons as the perpetrators of this crime…treating the goi like herded chattel to line up for mandatory shots….&I bet their arms don’t get perforated

          • HanzP

            And they ain’t going no where… Check this out thezog dot info/who-controls-donald-trump/

          • eddysachs

            who controls GOOGLE …good dig

          • 655321

            No matter who wins the WH or the congress, Israel wins every American election.

          • Beny Footworn

            Like there is any difference between the two, just two different actors.

          • eddysachs

            difference between the 2 What?…context?…neither Hanz nor I are hornswaggled with the illusion that the 2 parties are at each other’s throats…they’re wings on the same vulture & any president is merely a puppet on strings subject to the decrees & credo’s of the Hidden Hand

          • Beny Footworn

            That is good you guys are enlightened as you articulated so well. I was referring to the image about the Democrats for sure lost as depicted by their crashed plane about how the Democrats are having difficulty in accepting the vote in Johnny Canuck’s image. This image clearly shows the propaganda that one party makes a difference over another.

          • Johnny Canuck

            Just doing old-fashioned cartooning. It doesn’t make me believe in the Two Party System. That would be another cartoon, but I have to wait for Mr. Trump to take the reigns. If he makes a mess of things, I will do my best to reveal whatever incurs.

            Cheers!

            Here’s another one:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/06067a320b5f3407a0654ffb1a82bf57aa803fd31287730affafed451ed4991f.jpg

          • Cypher

            Good post!

          • Johnny Canuck

            Cheers to you! We’ve got to keep on embarassing and questioning these Criminals and Fools!

          • Cypher

            I’e been battling these shameless shills for her 10 years now and their tactics haven’t changed. Its usually the same cast of characters:

            Dorit Reiss
            Reality022
            Mike Stevens
            KellyMBray
            SoniaHernie
            FSMPastapharian
            JoeFarmer
            Dumb Dumb

            Many of these (if not all) are the same person. There’s no such thing as a n honest debate anymore regarding this topic. See the thread I’m having currently with “Dumb Dumb” as an example. They refuse to answer the simplest questions.

          • Laura J

            WOW…they have been trying for 10 years?? Barking up a tree thinking people will change their position?

          • Cypher

            Its called “artificial consensus”. They create the illusion that there is agreement on this topic.

          • Laura J

            haha fake news then.

          • 200 years for anti-vaxxers. So?

          • Well, now I feel left out!

          • Any evidence they’re the same person? Or being paid?

          • Cypher

            I don’t care. What point are you struggling to make after 1 month? Do you speak for Dumb Dumb or are you trying to salvage your vatremist religion?

          • I am simply asking what evidence you have.

          • Cypher

            As I stated before, its a moot point because I really do not care. Not sure how clearer I can be. Interesting that you immediately received an upvote on a dead thread. 😉

          • Cypher doesn’t care what the evidence is.

          • Cypher

            Are you feeling lonely or just trying to redeem yourself? I actually forgot what this was all about.

          • Just stating your very own words.

            Whether they damn or bless you is your choice entirely.

          • Cypher

            And good luck.

          • RenegadeProphet

            Vaccines are toxic bioweapons now because of Planet X. Anyone forcing anyone to get a toxic vaccine should be shot with another heavy metal injection – LEAD!

            The entire government are evil treasonous criminals. The day of the next
            false flag using the nuke the evil government stole in 2007 and blamed
            on
            Iran, America will be exterminated by Russia, China and the SCO. This
            is the war of Armageddon and you can know it is now because of Planet X
            and the toxic chemtrails that hide it every day globally for the past
            decade. Planet X will end the war when it rips the earth apart again but
            by then, 90% of Americans will already be dead. All planned by your
            evil government and their more evil alien masters!

          • HanzP

            You should see his spouse Michael’s hands!

          • eddysachs

            cheers Hanz ..your a good man (lol) I even up-voted myself just for fun…might not happen again (LOL)

          • eddysachs

            Hv you seen the package (lol)

          • HanzP
          • eddysachs

            LOL

          • HanzP

            It’s all related lies and coverups in the matrix…but yeah, extraordinary claims take extraordinary evidence. I won’t buy it until I see the naked package or DNA analysis. In the grand scheme of the Zio-sphere, it’s just another distraction regardless.

          • craig_oz_land

            Yep, she may have broad and muscled shoulders at times from working out, but the hip to shoulder ratio is the give away that it’s a woman.

          • Johnny Canuck

            We would have to see her in a Bikini (shudder the thought!). A Man’s form has the hips under the belly-button. A Woman’s form has her hips above the belly-button. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/54dcabb485de22d25da19e5f7d54ef55e9238892e258df2f0788b823dfaa13bd.jpg

          • HanzP

            Dunno about the belly button thing… But damn, I just looked of images of Agnese Landini and you’re right — something just ain’t right there! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5952ca1e7728f29b6fbc3c8808cd843564a0e7117e8509ec0fa29ddb9d07b778.jpg

          • michael lawless

            what about his spouses penis?

          • HanzP

            Hard to say, maybe in some kind of cup device or maybe large womanhood. I dunno.

          • Busdriver Bill

            I knew a large woman hood once. Barely escaped with my wallet intact.

          • Johnny Canuck

            After looking at a few pics of ‘Bama and his Tranny Wife together, she/he/it has bigger hands than him!

      • The Coffee Corner

        I believe you are right, I went back up the page and checked it out, that arm does not match the skin color of his face at all. Everything about him is a fraud. And whether anyone agrees or not he was born in Kenya and not even remotely qualified to even run for office of President but he did. He should be impeached quickly so taxpayers won’t have to pay for his pensions.

        • You think Obama will be impeached after serving a 4 year term as president, being re-elected, and then serving 3 years and 10 months of his SECOND 4 year term as president? You REALLY think that is going to happen? I mean you took the time to type the words . . . like there was even the REMOTEST possibility. . . . .?

      • michael lawless

        and those arms are much bigger than obozos

    • blue579

      Very well said, as usual. Cheers.

      • eddysachs

        O &O

      • eddysachs

        Outstanding grasp & delivery of the required clarity needed to elucidate this odious conspiratorial travesty within your posits regarding this abject BIG LIE conspiracy…with cool logic untainted by emotionalism…facts are facts …while ‘the’y are drawing a chalk line for the Hypnozombed to follow with the 8 second attention spans that now predominates the general discourse connived solely through their Hegelian sorcery & intentional misdirection……..cheers

        • blue579

          “8- second- attention- spans” Good one! & reading my mind again – SMART-ly so. Would love to know what Carlin would be saying now, bet it would be shades of Eddysachs. 😉

          • eddysachs

            O~O…cheers

    • Sandy Schwartzkopf

      Guess what though, the sensory issues that are caused by the toxins can back fire, if the globalists are trying to dumb us down. Speaking from experience, and from many friends, students, and clients that I have worked with, oversensitive visual and auditory processing can actually help. For example, once we learn what to look for, we can quickly see the occult symbolism that is hidden in media, art, and music. If we train ourselves to do so, we can read body language and facial expressions and know if that person we are reading is authentic or disingenuous. Many of the “hidden in plain site” crap that globalists pull, is noticed by us. And some of us are very good with numerology and patterns. I’m not sure that is what “they” had in mind, eh?

      • eddysachs

        “It’s satanic protocol to announce plans in advance, so adepts can read intentions” .MP. Hall (33rd degree Mason)…not quite sure what specifically you’re implying?… but I think I get the gist…& as far as I’m concerned… LSD definitely back-fired on the CIA ‘spooks’……..cheers

        • blue579
          • eddysachs

            Our own natural immune system is unbelievably powerful if left to it’s own devices through a healthy diet & exercise cycle ..generally speaking without the ‘cow puss’…these allopathic snake oil psychos think they alone own the whole of medical knowledge if fact they’ve undermined & stolen it to achieve their own ends with the Rockefeller /WHO conspiracy to HARM…whereas old man J.D.R. had naturopathic & holistic doctors treat himself & his family….slime bag that he was.

          • So why are you so scared of a weakened virus, dead virus, or pieces of the same if your immune system is badass enough to tackle the full-strength pathogen?

          • dougstir

            Because we don’t need the toxic assault inside your little Trojan horse!

          • What do you mean, mine?

            What is your evidence that it exceeds the toxic does?

          • nworder

            THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A WEAKENED VIRUS – THEY BOUNCE BACK OR JOIN TO SOMETHING ELSE TO CAUSE EVEN MORE DISEASE.

            POLIO HAD THE MONKEY VIRUS WHICH IS FOUND IN CANCER TUMOURS.

            THEN THERE WAS AIDS IN VACCINATIONS

            PLUS MERCURY AND ALUMINUM AND 100 OTHER TOXINS ARE IN THE JAB.

          • Nope.

            Compounds aren’t elements.

          • nworder

            THE COMPOUNDS CONTAIN THE ELEMENTS LIKE MERCURY AND ALUMINIUM
            you silly billy

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae317d40e2356a7e5c677186a57726a63c5d0ed191e4362f1bd57680598110ca.png

          • Doesn’t make them elements.

          • nworder
          • You. Just now. Aluminum =/= alum.

            And appeal to disgust won’t work on me.

            Formaldehyde? I bloody well hope so. I much prefer my biologics without The Cutter Incident II.

          • nworder

            What on earth are you on about – drink the formaldehyde – even breathing air in a caravan can make you ill due to the formaldehyde https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/125767814cb8ea5369def9bc040f035dd53a4cc2b73340538cb6ed42a3551965.jpg

          • nworder

            JUST NONSENSE – YOU ALSO EQUATE EATING FORMALDEHYDE WITH INJECTING INTO THE BODY , BLOOD AND BRAIN – You are a prime fool able to see the difference between injecting mercury into babies and EATING bread but denying it is a no brainer .

            Anyone that listens to a clown like you deserves 70 injections https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/86f608c1adc148a3b680d3b9a87c3c7a26644a78b8fc5e1eb5221eb161376b6c.jpg

          • Read Gadad et al yet?

            You’re the one that told me to drink it https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ba862a798adfe66e2dfe7db74851238c6ac7cf5257048e6150635712b34b3d5.jpg .

            As for injecting…nope, I do that too. Formaldehyde is injected into everyone’s hepatic vein. Naturally.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg

          • nworder

            SO IF YOUR GOING TO CLAIM THAT 70 VACCINES ARE SAFE THEN GET 70 JABS AND PROVE IT .

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1823cda132ac9db11da6f1591c68377e177f31888aafc50c49f5fb6f4f0c9008.jpg

          • nworder

            THE INFANT DEATH RATE HAS DROPPED IN EVERY DEVELOPED COUNTRY MORE THAN AMERICA – America’s is sticking at the highest rate due to vaccination
            THERFORE – YOU CANT CREDIT VACCINATIONS FOR THIS

          • I’m not crediting vaccinations for it, nworder. I am pointing out a problem in your blaming vaccines for it. Different thing.

          • nworder

            THE INFANT DEATH RATE HAS DROPPED IN EVERY DEVELOPED COUNTRY MORE THAN AMERICA – America’s is sticking at the highest rate due to vaccination
            THEREFORE – YOU CANT CREDIT VACCINATIONS FOR THIS

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fa2d23fa79c75a019990fc700ba080ae6ad1f35bfa872bfde42c483b7d07f66c.jpg

          • *drinks apple juice*

          • blue579

            Simian Virus 40 (SV40) was used as classic textbook example of a cancer causing virus in my graduate oncology courses. You’re very well informed, thanks for countering Dumb Dumb’s disinfo. Appreciate your tenacity! Coming back to an inane Dumb Dumb reply to my comment thanking Cypher for his new short note to me, I was surprised to see this thread still going at 3K+ comments and counting. Good sign we’re picking up some momentum, “…an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires”. 🙂

          • nworder

            Yes – get vaccinated for polio – then you will polio AND cancer thrown in free – lol

          • blue579

            Extra “bonuses”: gut dysbiosis and autoimmune disorders. I found the latter is a mini-Achilles’ heel point in some online skirmishes with trolls. It can also be a good opportunity to educate onlookers about vaccine induced Guillain-Barré syndrome spurring imagery of the immune system attacking the body – brings up another layer of suspicion over adjuvants. I love seeing lots of different styles of debate thrown at the trolls – that was KEY in this thread to a GREAT win for truth thanks to you, Cypher, Austism Dadd, et al. 🙂 Cheers! Blue579

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Funny, in my biology textbook SV40 is listed in a table of cancer causing viruses with a note “Doesn’t cause cancer”. They bought a “scientist” by the name Shah to do a fake study to show no connection between SV40 and tumors. They took all information from CDC website on SV40 too.

          • blue579

            I took grad oncology courses close to 20 years ago. I went on to specialize in neurology. I haven’t closely followed the field of cancer research, just enough to keep up with the paradigm shifts and molecular genetics research examining cause and treatment. I’ll have to take a closer look at SV40 this weekend. Thanks for the heads up!

          • blue579

            I don’t see the reply to you I just posted. (?) Anyway, I found recent scientific info supporting the view SV40 is indeed still considered transformative, including a 2016 study (on pub med) examining inflammatory and turmoral mediators. My bet is SV40 is also still recognized as having a tendency to disrupt p53. I would need to dig some more. Even Wiki admits a cancer link => [“The National Academy of Sciences Immunization Safety Review committee stated, “The committee concludes that the biological evidence is moderate that SV40 exposure could lead to cancer in humans under natural conditions.”…Namika et al found that the SV40 large t-antigen, in combination with mycoplasma, often a contaminate of vaccines, can cause prostate cells to turn cancerous. Whether or not this is true for other human cells is debated.” ] I wonder what Suzanne Humphries’ take is on SV40, she would be an ideal source for a highly informed opinion. If you want more background, feel free to find me on Disqus to send me as message. You may need to be persistent as Disqus sends some messages to me down the memory hole.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            I copied your response, and I will look at prostate cancer article. It is strange but they do “disappear” posts on vaccine articles as i type them. I am typing my reply in short again.
            2 websites created by Horwin family: ouralexander dot org and sv40foundation dot org. They investigated and uncovered the whole can of worms after the death of their son from polio vaccine initiated cancer.
            “Doctor Mary’s Monkey – jaw dropping book by Ed Haslam, reads like detective story.
            FDA website September19 2012 – permission given for 4 types of human cancer cells to be used to grow vaccine viruses. No control of residual cancer DNA in vaccines.
            Spread the word to good people and good luck to you.

          • Katana Man

            Simple. Thimiserol and squaline. How we made it here as a species is amazing lol. Plz you don’t stop taking. Take some more plz.

          • Squalene. Precusor to cholestol. We make it on our own.

            Thimersoal? Antimicrobial.

          • Jonathan Graham

            …in what quantities would you be afraid of them? I mean 20mcg if that was elemental mercury – which it isn’t – you probably absorb a significant portion of that just from a visit to the dentist.

          • Ron Roy

            ”you probably absorb a significant portion of that just from a visit to the dentist.” And that supposed to be a good thing?

          • Jonathan Graham

            No the point is that you get similar or greater amounts – that is blood level amounts – of elemental mercury as you get thiomersal in vaccines from all sorts of things.

          • nworder

            YOU ARE SO STUPID – INJECTING MERCURY IS 1000’s of times worse than ingesting. The injected mercury is 100% absorbed – it is ethyl mercury which converts to methyl mercury (and probably even di methyl mercury) and other mercury compounds – then causes havoc in the body.

            Our digestive systems are programmed to lower the absorption of toxins .
            Plus aluminium synergises the toxic effects of mercury by factors of thousands

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c10c64a43ec6f1c83356662722b98684cb76036958fdb18a75e5ea36526476c6.jpg

          • Jonathan Graham

            Ingesting is not how you get mercury in a dental office. Most research on this looks at blood levels so we are talking about what is already absorbed.

          • Katana Man

            Considering gates vaccines have been found to contain anti fertility drugs I think it’s safe to assume what the real agenda is and it’s not to protect populations.

          • eddysachs

            same with Epycite genetically introduced in their GMO’s

          • Killer Cell. What of it?

          • blue579

            You assume a healthy body is defenseless?

          • 1)No, I’m not dumb enough to assume everyone is healthy to begin with.

            2)More like naive.

          • blue579

            The majority of people in developed nations are well enough to combat viral infections, providing life long immunity. You’re missing the point of the typical Activist Post reader. We don’t say those who want vaccines should not be allowed access, rather we believe mandatory vaccinations are unethical and unwise. The uncensored history of vaccines shows us deaths from viral infections PLUMMETED BEFORE the arrival of vaccines owing to better nutrition and sanitation.

          • 1)So? The majority of people in developed nations (and undeveloped nations for that matter) are neurotypical – by your logic, this makes them all neurotypical. Oh look, no autism and no autism epidemic.

            2)I don’t see where I have claimed you want those who want vaccines should not be allowed access.

            3)Given that no-one is interested in mandatory vaccines (and vaccine mandates are a different thing, what’s your point?

            4)I don’t recall arguing that mortality hadn’t dropped before vaccines. You’ve forgotten to take account of better supportive medical care too though. However, the incidence did not unless as a part of the characteristic peaks-and-troughs.

          • Katana Man

            Besides the vaccines themselves cause outbreaks.

          • blue579

            Good point! There’s also the thousands of cases of paralysis from Gates’ polio vaccine program in Africa.

          • Katana Man

            Or brainwashed like you. So did autism exist 100 years ago? Increased rates of autism correlated to increase in vaccine regime. How are Africans still multiplying so much? Why aren’t they all dead? Even ebola couldn’t kill them. Vaccines are for population reduction as bill gates said himself in a Freudian slip in front of a gasping audience.

          • https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ddaafab86aa7ee1991723ea5165f34ba060780ed4f77c9561b228c822d3cf66e.jpg

            You do understand that not every child has to survive in order for you to get 2 children who can give you grandchildren, right?

            Yes, the evil Bill Gates villain admitted his evil plot on a Ted Talk. I think you got that confused with the film you went to see last week.

          • eddysachs

            That was a prime example of Cognitive Dissonance in action…the audience was faced with two opposing views …where they ultimately retreated to their core belief ‘safe’ value that Bill Gates is Rich & he’s a good person[sic]..

          • eddysachs

            May you be enveloped & cease to be real soon

          • HanzP

            Mother nature looks very unfriendly sometimes. What do we have here, some kind of virus in battle?

        • Katana Man

          Yes put cultured disease in your blood stream, grown in cancer cultures now. Put cancer causing mercury and squaline straight into your blood stream and brain. Some tards do have them.

        • Ron Roy

          Do you really want to avoid: MS, Guillian Barre syndrome, CIDP ( and many other nerve diseases ) lifelong allergies, fibromyalgia, cancers, arthritis, thrombocytopenia, autism, brain inflammations that can cause lifelong emotional problems etc etc, THEN DON’T GET VACCINATED!

    • grapsta

      paranoid much ?

      • eddysachs

        moron much?

          • suzyqtou

            No, it’s not. I don’t have to go into the establishment at all if I don’t want to. MANDATORY vaccinations are FORCED on me. See? different.

          • You don’t have to go into the establishment at all if you don’t want to? Yes, that’s my point.

          • eddysachs

            a point in every direction is the same as NO Point at all(lol)

          • Kevin

            Still waiting for you to make a credible contribution to this thread.One liners don’t count.

          • eddysachs

            Go Find Yourself ?…or Go Free Yourself?…but in your case… GFY despicable troll

          • Kevin

            I will take that as a no,and insults do not raise your credibility.

          • eddysachs

            I absolutely & positively Don’t Care one iota about what you think about Anything!… coming from an obvious pathological LIAR

          • Kevin

            Thank you for your insult

          • eddysachs

            bullshit

          • Don’t mistake facts for assumptions.

            Explain clearly why it’s bullshit.

          • eddysachs

            what are you A.I with tunnel vision?…f*k off & die HAL….clearly explain to me why you are a co conspiratorial murdering genocidal scum bag?

          • I’m sorry, that does not answer the questions asked.

          • blue579

            Too bad you trust shills like Dr. Paul Offit, vaccine pharma zombie spokesman -> on his Vaccine Education Center webpage (bold faced lie; zero basis in medical science, nada, zilch, he’s a quack):
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/937ace3ba97dec7a190da2f72ac4b8692c681ce0e6b62969dd50db7d42abe2bd.jpg

          • eddysachs

            (imo)this monster is certifiably & diabolically… criminally insane

          • Oh no, I ask for evidence!

          • eddysachs

            … I guess you & your minions of diseased vermin/ HASBRA clowns…are putting in for overtime (lol)..my advice? …get drunk …take all your clothes off…& go & play chicken with all the 18- wheelers on the nearest freeway tonight….do the world a favor

          • 1)Provide evidence for payment.

            2)Freeways don’t exist here.

          • https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg

            Ahem, recall that I pointed out we could throw out literally everything from America and still have global scientific and medical consensus in favour of vaccines. Last I checked, Paul Offit was from America.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b546789ba4acaa5ec6cbf9bb9ca3669923c72d6951331b8d5cf36bf72d7e2742.jpg

            I’m not interested in what you say he says. Point me to the actual thing where he said whatever you’re concerned about.

          • blue579

            “Recall that…”?? (do you imagine everyone is following all of your posts?). Your first post which I responded to is a compilation of images describing what “anti vaxers think…” Your FIRST mistake was to ASSUME skeptics of vaccine orthodoxy haven’t done their research and are uninformed. My response of Offit’s website posting false information typifies a methodical obfuscation of important concerns, including aluminum in vaccines. For which no controlled relevant human safety studies have been done. Further down the thread you perpetuate a straw man comparison with mercury, not understanding the difference between chronic low grade exposure and an acute reaction involving the immune system.

          • blue579

            “Recall that…”?? (do you imagine that everyone is following all of your posts?) I was responding to the compilation of images you posted with the caption “Anti vaxers think…” Your first of mistake was to ASSUME skeptics of vaccine orthodoxy are uninformed and haven’t done their research. I replied showing patently false information posted on Offit’s website. Relevant controlled human safety trials on aluminum in vaccines have never been done. Concerns about the effects of aluminum in vaccinations are reasonable and grounded, esp. for infants. Further below on the thread you create a straw man argument conflating chronic low grade mercury exposure with acute exposure under immune system activation via vaccination. The latter now recognized as being linked to the development of gut dysbiosis, in turn, strongly correlated with the sequela of autism = very different mechanisms at work.

          • “Recall that…”?? (do you imagine that everyone is following all of your posts?) I was responding to the compilation of images you posted with the caption “Anti vaxers think…”

            See the green countries meme. It was obvious from the post you responded. Besides, you don’t have to respond to my posts to remember

            “Your first of mistake was to ASSUME skeptics of vaccine orthodoxy are uninformed and haven’t done their research. ”

            If you have evidence stronger than the current evidence, great, show it to me. If you have evidence that the entire global scientific and medical consensus is wrong then great, show it to me. If you can do neither, then you’re not being skeptic – you’re just being contrary.

            As for not having done research….the vast majority of people haven’t done research no matter which “side” they’re on.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e08003fe4aadb1b8f331de5aed53a362a624b2452a8ea50c0c82f86a16af5930.png

            So does anyone here have a PMID number for their research?

            “I replied showing patently false information posted on Offit’s website” No, you replied with a graphic asserting there was patently false information posted on Offit’s Website. There’s a difference.

            .”Relevant controlled human safety trials on aluminum in vaccines have never been done. ” You will need to define relevant and controlled here.

            “Concerns about the effects of aluminum in vaccinations are reasonable and grounded, esp. for infants.” Concerns are, yes. Questions aren’t the problem either. It’s when people ignore the answers.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e1a6e8fc71575c870634eff71c35de67f57b2b8a6fe3b37fb160f406a0ec12d.png

            ” Further below on the thread you create a straw man argument conflating chronic low grade mercury exposure with acute exposure under immune system activation via vaccination. ”

            Actually, I was addressing the conflation of chemicals and elements. But if we agree that chronic and acute are different, I trust you won’t cite the EPA to prove that an acute limit is dangerous since it deals with chronic exposure.

            “The latter now recognized as being linked to the development of gut dysbiosis, in turn, strongly correlated with the sequela of autism = very different mechanisms at work.”

            Given that there is no difference in rates of autism with vaccinated vs unvaccinated children, it’s irrelevant what you think the mechanism of vaccines causing autism is since they clearly don’t.

            It’s like trying to prove that the tooth fairy flies – you’re kind of missing a step – that of proving the tooth fairy exists in the first place.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/979a7591fcb9d270e9da429faad9e056962f7a4c458cd8a346b0384bb30b2c13.jpg

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/29caa8b67460692ece417e17b1c050466879eb42ebcff7f3720d50b0722c9212.jpg

          • nworder

            VACCINES DONT WORK AND CAUSE DEATH AND LIFELONG ILLNESS
            DONT LET BIG PHARMA PROFIT FROM YOUR DESTRUCTION
            JUST SAY NO – REMEMBER YOU WILL NEVER GET THESE TOXIC INGREDIENTS BACK OUT OF YOUR BODY

          • dougstir

            My dear mother had 3 cases of measles to contend with simultaneously in her home, in the 1960’s, and she handled it all on a total salary of less than 25 dollars per week. Those three cases were very young children who grew up very healthy despite the week or so being bed ridden while their immune system sorted out a little viral attack.

            This 33 000 dollars per case to “treat measles” clearly describes the depth and implications of the corrupt extortion racket that the allopathic industry has become!! More reason NOT to trust anything they say or want to sell…..or collude with the “government” to enforce on the population..

          • Again, read the meme properly. To control the outbreak.

          • dougstir

            No, please, you must read properly. The problem is NOT measles or measles outbreaks, the problem is this malignant, pathogenic, cancerous Parasite which is growing into society and at the end of each borrowing tentacle is a smiling airhead draped in white linen and this insidious, vile parasite was unleashed on society by the malevolent Rockefukker crowd with their arachnoid super superiority Komplex

          • Evidence?

          • dougstir

            What? . . . ..You want …..me…..to give you evidence of the psychotically criminal, parasitic cabal that is taking control over society?

            Well, . . . . G F Y S . ..and you can interpret that any way you like.

          • Thought so…

          • dougstir

            No, please, you must read properly. The problem is NOT measles or measles outbreaks, the problem is this malignant, pathogenic, cancerous Parasite which is growing into society and at the end of each borrowing tentacle is a smiling airhead draped in white linen and this insidious, vile parasite was unleashed on society by the malevolent Rockefukker crowd.

          • Bare assertion.

          • blue579

            You’re trying to do an end run around some basic facts with nonsensical “arguments” (for argument sake only).
            No relevant controlled human safety trials on aluminum as a vaccine adjuvant have been performed. There is good reason, as aluminum is a known neurotoxin and this is especially concerning for infants. Dr. Suzanne Humphries found the smoking gun statements as to why this policy approach has been taken by TPTB – they don’t want any negative results to undermine their vaccine paradigm. That’s not science, it’s scientism.

          • Please can you cite the PMID number of Humphries’ research?

    • Grace by Faith on yt

      Excellent comment! What struck me as despicably evil and wholly ambiguous is the language they’re using where on the one hand they admit their jurisdiction hence authority is by consent or contract only (which is supposed to mean voluntary), while on the other they threaten to steal your money and put you in a cage, and do what they want to do to you if you don’t consent or make this agreement with them. In my book, as well as in Black’s Law Dictionary, that’s blackmail and extortion, as well as felonious assault and abject battery if they follow it through.

      So you must contract with them under duress or suffer consequences they’ll deploy on you, and if you don’t agree to contract with them, they’ll just bloody fake your consent and take what they want anyway. Fake it and take it – the very best way to describe this de facto “color of law” jurisdiction.

      Duress: “…threat of harm made to compel a person to do something against his or her will or judgment; esp., a wrongful threat made by one person to compel a manifestation of seeming assent by another person to a transaction without real volition”. – Black’s Law Dictionary 8th ed. 2004.

      This is a lose-lose situation for the victim of this assault and deployment of what is really a weapon of war, and it even goes against the very definition of “contract” which is an agreement where both sides equally benefit, or agree to an imbalance. When one side takes unfair advantage of the other side, that is legally “unconscionable” and a criminal fraud, in fact, it is no contract at all because every contract requires “consideration” which is the benefit that each party gets or expects to get. If it is one-sided, like this, where they will not do anything that benefits you in exchange, that contract sounds breached, or better, it’s simply a nullity.

      “Unconscionable. adj. referring to a contract or bargain which is so unfair to a party that no reasonable or informed person would agree to it.” Black’s Law Dictionary

      There are lawful opposing arguments here to be made but the biggest obstacle is the fact that 99% of the crimes against humanity have been committed by order takers, and these goats make sure their armed thugs have low IQs and a propensity to follow orders and no clue of the lawful, ethical, moral, not to mention criminal ramifications of their individual actions. That’s why they’re bonded, these thugs, in case they make a legal boo-boo (like enforce a nullity), so the corporation itself isn’t liable and won’t have to pay the resulting costs.

      These executive orders, and every single law they make that isn’t about personal property rights (actually this one is, your body is your property) ONLY apply to your fictitious corporate entities, though, remember that, so if you can avoid being identified as such, they not only can’t, but won’t touch you because they can’t recognize nor interact with you, only your corporate identity.

      • eddysachs

        (see corresponding comment below Blue579 …mistake)

    • celticwanderer64

      Too true! My son can’t afford health insurance for his family under Obamacare and because of Obamacare his company no longer carries health insurance for it’s employees. Hence, my two grandchildren were on CHIPS. They are not vaccinated and the people at CHIPS told my daughter-in-law they had to be to be on CHIPS, so now my grandkids have no access to health insurance at all. This country has absolutely gone nuts. Using the federal government to force things on people they don’t want or need.

      • eddysachs

        I’ll be 65 this month..this reality today is ‘unfuknbeeleevable’ compared to the community farms & organic food & birds & bugs we grew up with…natural for the most part till it’s evolved into this corporate/political juggernaut of an insane asylum of the ‘Borg’ consciousness of Absorb & Discard ad infinitum…raping mother nature for the greed of three piece suit bankster’s & oligarchs…this vaccine agenda is abject criminal depopulation… in progress …genocide ….murder …enslavement but viewed thru reptilian eyes of the 0.01% ruling psychopaths ..”.nothing personal-just business”..as a credo of their cold pragmatic heartless ambivalence.

    • blue579

      Hey Eddy, my nice carefully worded reply to “Num Dumb” went down the memory hole. I tried again and this time both my pic of Offit’s website lie about aluminum, my reply, and Num Dumb’s “this is what anti-vaxers think” image compilation were swept down the memory hole. Oh my, striking that censorship nerve!! Ouch! LOL My third attempt and will include Offit’s pic & statement underneath. What a riot! ICANN see you now!

      Numb Dumb: “Ahem, recall that I pointed out we could throw out literally everything from America and still have global scientific and medical consensus in favour of vaccines. Last I checked, Paul Offit was from America.”

      Blue579 reply – “Recall that…”?? (do you imagine that everyone is following all of your posts?) I was responding to the compilation of images you posted with the caption “Anti vaxers think…” Your first of mistake was to ASSUME skeptics of vaccine orthodoxy are uninformed and haven’t done their research. I replied showing patently false information posted on Offit’s website. Relevant controlled human safety trials on aluminum in vaccines have never been done. Concerns about the effects of aluminum in vaccinations are reasonable and grounded, esp. for infants. Further below on the thread you create a straw man argument conflating chronic low grade mercury exposure with acute exposure under immune system activation via vaccination. The latter now recognized as being linked to the development of gut dysbiosis, in turn, strongly correlated with the sequela of autism = very different mechanisms at work.

      • blue579

        Dr. Paul Offit’s Vaccine Education Center website posting a Big Lie

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/937ace3ba97dec7a190da2f72ac4b8692c681ce0e6b62969dd50db7d42abe2bd.jpg

        • AutismDadd

          Doesn’t he claim aluminum and mercury are like nutrients in the body too?

          • blue579

            Pretty close to his stance on aluminum. Offit claims aluminum is harmless and his website says aluminum is believed to play an important role in the development of a healthy fetus. That’s nuts, it’s known in medical science to be a toxin and contaminant – metal contaminants damage neurons in ultra low concentrations (nano & pico molar). http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/

          • AutismDadd

            Shows how Offit will disregard science to make these corrupt statements.

          • blue579

            Exactly

          • Link to what Paul Offit said, not what VP said he said.

            Compounds are not elements.

          • No, toxin means something produced by a living thing.

          • blue579

            True, cell bio terminology regarding toxic: toxin, one letter change denoting an organic source, toxic being the corrected apt term here. Though you glide over the important point that aluminum is known to damage neurons and cells in general and most people don’t realize aluminum as an adjuvant has NEVER been tested in controlled human safety trials. You change your name from “Dumb Dumb” and come back to a 2 month old thread no longer being viewed for what reason?

          • Why ever should it be? Elements are not compounds.

          • blue579

            First do no harm. Never assume. If aluminum as an adjuvant has no deleterious effects on the human body, then the issue could’ve been put to rest through carefully designed human safety studies. “Elements are not compounds” “Spiders are not insects” “The moon isn’t a planet”. LOL

          • blue579

            Post hoc ergo propter hoc. You “forgot” there’s big difference between ingesting trace amount of aluminum and having it injected into the body.
            You earned some $$ posting some late comments. “That’s all Folks”.

          • Cypher

            Not to mention formaldehyde.

          • Good. I much prefer vaccines without The Cutter Incident II.

      • HanzP

        “I tried again and this time both my pic of Offit’s website lie about aluminum, my reply, and Num Dumb’s “this is what anti-vaxers think” image compilation were swept down the memory hole.”

        Yep, I saw them earlier.

        • blue579

          Thanks, Hanz.

      • eddysachs

        I just had my top spot delegatedwaaaay down the page to the ignominious ‘back pages’ as it were…. by the vacuole spooks boot- lickers that pass for editors here

        • blue579

          Yeah, I see that now, the #2 spot suddenly surged a couple of points ahead of your comment. Guess we can thank them for the tip off on aluminum as this issue’s Achilles heel.

          • eddysachs

            which means I should be directly underneath it…this stinks of human intervention

          • blue579

            Looks like the new top upvoted comment has a lot of sub-commenting, which would come stacked before the next independent comment. I’m getting sleepy, need to stop soon. Great job with this thread, Eddy.

      • HanzP

        Hey Blue, I know very little about topic, thread or what goes on here, but Non Dumb follows 1048 people and has only 129 followers — that’s generally a pretty solid indication you are dealing with a shill or a psychopath.

        • nworder

          Dont let dumb dumb near your baby with a syringe .

        • blue579

          Good sleuthing, Hanz! I’ve never seen Num Dumb on A. Post before, which also tells me he’s a shill. What kind of person runs around with a pile of steaming B.S. propaganda to disrupt conversations on websites antithetical to their Kool-Aid addictions? Anyway, it’s funny that the mild little subthread where I pointed out aluminum used as an adjuvant in vaccines has never been tested for safety and long term effects was removed. Same thing happened with my comments questioning Wesley Clark and the 7-nation narrative.

          • No-one can start with a second comment.

          • HanzP

            “Anyway, it’s funny that the mild little subthread where I pointed out aluminum used as an adjuvant in vaccines has never been tested for safety and long term effects was removed. Same thing happened with my comments questioning Wesley Clark and the 7-nation narrative.”

            That’s pisses me off. I feel a profound sense of violation when that happens, in a very real sense it is a raping of the mind. F’ers.

          • blue579

            In this manner, “they” show their hand. This is but a drop in the ocean compared to the level of social engineering built into China’s Social Credit Score system – being readied for the rest of the world.

          • HanzP

            Yeah, I used to work with a lot of demographic data, various reporting systems, economic dat and so forth that were pretty elaborate in my thinking — nothing compared to what’s available today, AI, psych data and such, that surely you are more intimate with than me.

          • blue579

            Yep, it’s scary. Customized propaganda and conditioning protocols for each person, archetype, group, etc.

          • HanzP

            Yep, and I believe both Trump and Cruz apparently used Cambridge Analytics extensively this campaign. I also read a while back somewhere that Mark Rubio’s speeches are all written using tested and metered metadata. Of course, this is probably much more common than is reported anywhere — obviously already used massively in standard media propaganda and ‘talking’ points.

          • blue579

            Beyond that, are the layered intelligence psy ops, increasingly sophisticated, orders of magnitude so since I became an activist 13-14 years ago.

          • Cypher

            Its usually the same cast of characters:

            Dorit Reiss
            Reality022
            Mike Stevens
            KellyMBray
            SoniaHernie
            FSMPastapharian
            JoeFarmer
            Dumb Dumb

          • blue579

            Thanks. In the middle of the thread his name went from Num Dumb to Dumb Dumb. I bet they’re shape shifters too.

          • Evidence?

    • AutismDadd

      No doubt.

    • Evidence that you base your bet on?

      • nworder

        OBAMA AND THE ELITES KNOW TOO MUCH TO TAKE A REAL VACCINE .
        VACCINES ARE FOR THE LITTLE PEOPLE

    • FrenchKissed

      Give me a break. I’m sure he’s gotten a flu shot every year for the past eight years at least. I’ve gotten one every year for the past six years, and I don’t shake hands with nearly as many people as he does.

      • nworder

        AL you will know that the flu shot every year will mean you get Alzheimers or dementia 10 years earlier – It is the mercury and aluminium plus lots of other stuff which will mess up your immunity.
        Why not just get the flu normally then your immune system will handle it.
        Maybe your already affected posing as a female troll

        • FrenchKissed

          I’ll get Alzheimers or dementia 10 years earlier than what? How could you possibly know if I will ever suffer from dementia, or when I’m due to get it? If you’ve figured out what causes dementia, then you know more about it than the top medical researchers in the world. I don’t think they were even looking into immunocompromisation as a root cause for Alzheimer’s. You should probably get cracking on your Nobel prize acceptance speech, because you’re about to take the medical community by storm.

          My immune system is perfectly healthy and functions just as well as your does. If I got the flu, I’d be sick for a few days while my body fought the infection, and then I’d recover– so long as it wasn’t a particularly virulent strain. But my octogenarian neighbor who was in the hospital over Thanksgiving probably wouldn’t fare nearly as well. I don’t get vaccinated just to protect myself. I do my part to protect the health of my community. It is a simple, selfless act that helps keep babies, the sick and the elderly healthy. Not everyone can be vaccinated. It is up to the rest of us to do our part to help keep herd immunity up. Everyone else is freeloading off those who vaccinate.

          I’m not sure why you’re calling me a troll, unless you’re one of those people who only wants to have discussions with people that share your views. Are you also accusing me of being a guy? You aren’t the first person to do that, but I honestly don’t understand why. I’ve seen plenty of other female Disqus users, and haven’t noticed anyone else getting that accusation. Perhaps I just don’t pay that close attention anymore. It’s gotten to the point where I’d much rather spend my time reading kindle books than wasting my time on the same arguments that go nowhere.

          • nworder

            THIS IS IDIOCY – ANYONE IS FREE TO GET THEMSELVES VAXXED AND IF IT WORKS THE UNVACCINATED CANNOT AFFECT THEM – so you are not helping others at all – in fact you will be SHEDDING the disease onto the whole population
            as the CDC tells you – you should be quarantined !

            Mercury and Aluminium from vaccination will give you dementia and Alzheimers

            HERD IMMUNITY IS A FALLACY since you can spread a disease even if you have been vaccinated and even with natural immunity

            My immune system is great on no vaccination .

            A vaccine would have knocked down your octogenarian neighbour since it would inject ” live” pathogens into the old dear.

            Only the paid would spout the usual pro vax nonsense while wisely avoiding vaccination themselves.

            NEWSMAX :-

            Although flu shots are promoted as safe, that’s not true, says holistic family physician Dr. David Brownstein. Flu shots contain several suspect ingredients, including the carcinogen formaldehyde, and many contain mercury in the form of thimerosal.

            “Mercury is one of the most poisonous substances known to mankind,” Dr. Brownstein tells Newsmax Health. “It is a potent neurotoxin and is associated with a host of neurological and immune system problems. Mercury should never be injected into any living human being.”

            A study published by the National Institutes of Health stated: “Mercury is a highly toxic element; there is no known safe level of exposure. Ideally, neither children nor adults should have any mercury in their bodies because it provides no physiological benefit.” Yet, the FDA allows it to be put in flu shots given to pregnant women, children, and the elderly — all known to be most at risk for neurological damage, says Dr. Brownstein, editor of the newsletter Dr. David Brownstein’s Natural Way to Health,

            Thimerosal, a preservative found in many flu shots, is 50 percent mercury. It’s different, and much more harmful, than the type of mercury found in fish. While the FDA warns against eating more than two servings of fish weekly because of the danger of mercury, it allows this more toxic form to be added to flu shots (and other vaccines). The only reason thimerosal is added is as a preservative in multi-dose vials.

          • FrenchKissed

            Newsmax Health? Why not quote Natural News or whale*dot*to while you’re at it? Then again, you could get all your health and medical information from the NEJM or the Onion and either way it would make no difference; you clearly lack a basic understanding of chemistry.

            The deep sea fish health officials are warning people against eating in large quantities contain high concentrations of methyl mercury, which is more toxic than the ethyl mercury found in Thimerosal. This is verifiable information, and I have no doubt it’s been pointed out to you already, so you must be willfully skirting around the facts to support your failing argument.

            I’ve only ever received inactivated flu vaccines, so I did not shed the virus and I certainly would not be doing so now (this flu season’s shot came out in late August). I am not opposed to live attenuated flu vaccines, I just haven’t any experience with them.

            You are incorrect when you say that anyone can be vaccinated. Some people are allergic to ingredients in vaccines; people with certain medical conditions like cancer, recent organ or tissue transplants and certain autoimmune disorders cannot be vaccinated.

            Newsflash- people employed by the CDC, the NIH, the FDA and pharmaceutical companies are amongst the most vaccinated people on the planet. Their kids are fully vaccinated, on schedule. There is no moustache twirling going on here.

            Dr. Brownstein on the other hand, is a quack and a fraud. I agree with him that the best way to optimal health is through proper diet and regular exercise. But he loses all credibility when he tells the story of his patient Ellis (who turns out to be his FATHER) who reversed his high cholesterol, angina, clogged arteries, heart disease and obesity without changing his diet. And his claim that 40% of the entire human population suffers from hypothyroidism, but that the blood tests aren’t detecting it is BS. That’s what every obese person wants to hear- that they don’t need to change the way they eat- just fix the thyroid problem that their doctor told them they don’t have. I’m sure it gets him plenty of page views so he can make bank selling lies to desperate people. I feel dirty for having checked out his site.

          • nworder

            AL – GET THAT MAKE UP OFF – lol
            You are a low level troll – unable to get a job – unqualified in all areas and you have the brass necked slanderous cheek to spread the dirt on the great Dr Brownstein with utter bullshit – It is your defining mark AL MATHER .

            Ethyl mercury turns into methyl mercury in the body and they are both deadly – they kill and maim – so your argument is fallacious .

            Eating methyl mercury is 1000’s of times safer than injecting 100% into the blood .
            But if it dangerous to eat how much more dangerous is injecting .

            There is no such thing as dead flu virus – ALL virus are technically dead – until they wake up and enter your cells !
            Then the fun starts and you get the very flu that’s been injected and you WILL shed that flu .

            A virus is NOT alive nor can you “attenuate” it – you dont even know what it means .
            Anyone too ill to be vaccinated should be kept well away from vaccination shedding as warned by your heroes the CDC – lol

            The pharma boys and their children do not get vaccinated – you are trolling anecdotes

          • FrenchKissed

            Okay, Betty, you can call me Al. Arguing with you is getting boring, but before I write you off, pharmaceutical company employees DO vaccinate their kids. Wired did an article last year on the vaccination rates at the daycare centers at large bay area companies and both Gilead Sciences and Genentech (a fully owned subsidiary of Roche) were near the top of the list.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7cda71c2683a8ac4bf043aaa78d4f429d4aaf7014915600132f5a0a3df5fdb3e.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a25f8517a3c0f1c0292cc69f304e42d216c7f9514e6511a7cfaf791998bfe182.jpg

            I’m sure you’ll come up with some crazy conspiracy theory to make the pieces mesh with your delusions.

          • nworder

            IF CHILDREN OF PHARMA EMPLOYEES ARE SUBTLY COERCED TO GET VACCINATED THEN THAT IS MORE VACCINE DAMAGE – SO HOW DOES THIS SOLVE THE PROBLEM ???????? duh

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b72d60108c85d91624c10ed29a7b4e2a282604bd3bc2bbd81f3be1640e89be96.jpg

    • Al Mather

      Ever think about how getting everyone in the 99% sick as you simultaneously force them into socialized medicine actually works against the evil global elitist scheme to which you subscribe …. no…of course you haven’t.
      As long as you have your boogeyman… it doesn’t have to make sense

      • eddysachs

        GFYS

        • Al Mather

          Lots of conspirotard ad hominem babble …. No answer or explanation of the glaring contradiction in logic…

          Like I said…. As long as you have your boogeyman ..it doesn’t have to make sense.

          • eddysachs

            doesn’t make sense to an idiot

          • Al Mather

            Exactly… “making sense” isn’t a criteria for a conspirotard.

            Your ability to spew cliche after cliche after cliche is impressive though Edward….

            Have nice Holidays…get in touch with the family…they’re worried about you…try to get back on your meds…ta-ta

          • Al Mather

            Exactly …”making sense” isn’t a criteria for conspirotards.

            Your ability to spew cliche after cliche after cliche is quite impressive Edward.

            Have nice Holidays.. get in touch with family…they worry about you as always.. try to get back on your meds…Ta.

  • amuncat

    In my opinion, this is the period in which Obama is most dangerous! He’s very sly with signing EO’s under your nose! He now has to pound the final hammer of his agenda before leaving…as less than 2 mos. He’s not only desperate, he’s angry! BAD combination, I smell last minute revenge of some kind!

  • Lethal Injection

    Trump can override the order with a Nobody Needs A Rat poison Injection exec order himself . Can’t wait when Trump has the FBI slap cuffs on this monkey

  • Busdriver Bill

    So? Now we will all be subject to whatever they choose to put in the needle, by regal command? Sounds like a carte blanche for eliminating anybody deemed “inconvenient.” This one needs dumping, immediately, Donald!

  • desert

    yeh vaccinations, be sure those youngsters get poisoned! How many end up dead or stricken with diseases because of the vaccination?

  • Cypher

    No doubt a Hillary win was expected. This is the ultimate war people. Your lives and your kids’ lives are depending on this. We can’t sit on our hands and let this happen.

  • desertspeaks

    Would anyone care to show us all, where within the Constitution it grants the authority for executive orders? I can’t seem to locate it.
    Marbury v Madison; anything repugnant to the Constitution is null and void from it’s inception.

    Further; 16 AM Jur 2d (Volume 16 American Jurisprudence, second series) section 177 on Constitutional Law, which states:
    “The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it, an unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted.
    “Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principles follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it . . . ‘No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.’ ”

  • Johnny Canuck

    I hope President Trump nullifies this thing. This goes against all the principles of freedom of choice, very Big Brother-like. Good nutrition and proper Hygiene concepts are a better way to defeat the bugs that go around every year, many probably spread by the idiots that take all the vaccines.

    If you have had a shot of some kind, please stay away from me for a week or two or at least have the courtesy to notify me you may be a “Carrier”.

    I haven’t been ill for a long time, no vaccines since forced to in Childhood. I call getting the Flu my “AIDS Test”. If it doesn’t kill me, I guess I don’t have AIDS.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/218c1730cdc28a9d5bb7c018baa21d7713f31d12e19755bbbb25b891bfe700a4.jpg

    • I thought ingestion was very different from injection?

      • Johnny Canuck

        Of course. Would you dare drink that biological/industrial chemical soup?

        If not, then why would you want to inject it?

        • Hmm…let’s see:

          I’m going to slough off some skin cells in the course of eating so human diploid cells. (By the way, excipents (sp) =/= ingredients).

          “If not, then why would you want to inject it?” Sigh. You realize that there might be entirely pragmatic concerns that don’t apply to injections…like….I dunno, it probably wouldn’t taste very nice?

          Alright, let’s see what you’ve got.

          “Porcine gelatin” You know this is just jelly from a pig, right? But sure, I’d eat that.

          Beta-proplactaine is specifically for sterilizing medical things. I wouldn’t eat Germaline either but I have no qualms against using the stuff on a skinned knee.

          You know what’s rich in calcium chloride? Brine. So sure, I’ll get something in brine and drink the brine afterwards.

          Centromium bromide is again, an antiseptic.

          Disodium Phosphate – sure, it’s used as an emulsifer in certain cheeses.

          ethylenediamine tetraacetic acid commonly turns up in seafood as an anti discoloring agent.. So sure, I have no qualms eating seafood.

          Formaldehyde – yes, gladly. Pass the pear juice.

          Gentamicin – is again, an antibotic.

          Hydrocortosine. Turns up in refined sugar, caffiene

          Kanamycine – again, an antibotic. Why do you think this is relevant?

          Monopotassium phosophate – used in salt subsitutes, often advertised as something like Lo-Salt or Lo-Sodium – so far, I’ve got as far as: Sure, seafood soup made with seafood-in-brine and I’m drinking the brine and some pear juice. And sure, I’ll add some Lo-Salt into my seafood soup.

          Monsodium phosophate – it’s a texturing agent found in most foods. Not scared of it.

          Neomycin – again, an antibotic.

          Octoxynol x – 100 – Beef is rich in the stuff.

          Ova albumin – yes, I’ll gladly add a couple of eggs to my meal. Ova albumin is the *whites* of the egg. Hey, I’ll even eat the yolks too! Why are you scared of eggs?

          Phospate buffered Saline – Sure. Lucozade.

          Polymyxin B – see comments about Germaline.

          Polysorbate 80 – yup! It’s used to make ice-cream smooth and creamy.

          Potassium Chloride – Chocolate Milk, eggnog and dozens more.

          Sodium Taurodeoxychloride – already naturally in my body.

          Thiomersal – I’ll do you one better and eat methylmercury – the kind that bioaccumulates. Seafood soup, remember?

          TCP – Naturally found in fish, nuts, and leafy green vegetables. Vitamain E compounds.

          So essentially, what you have to do for this is blend eggs, seafood soup, pear juice, lo-salt, brine, Lucozade, refined sugar and porcine gelatine and some cheese together until it’s a milkshake or soup type thing and pour it into a cup. I mean, it likely won’t taste very nice but that won’t be a problem in real life since we’re injecting it.

          • nworder

            YOU ARE TALKING NONSENSE AGAIN – EATING IS MUCH SAFER THAN INJECTION.
            The digestive system is excellent at combating toxins since it was designed to do this .
            Lets say you eat Aluminium – the digestive system rejects its absorption right up to over 99%. This means that less than 1% is absorbed .

            BUT with vaccination you absorb 100%.
            A baby can be 15/20 times lighter than an adult – so when a baby gets injected with aluminium it has absorbed 100 x 15 = 1500 times more aluminium than an adult eating it.
            Multiply this by 50 vaccines which always seem to contain aluminium and we get
            1500 x 50 = 75000 times more concentrated by the time you get to 17 years old than if you ate it.

            So lets say you ate 1mg of aluminium per day 99% of which will be rejected.

            In a vaccine there is about 225 mcg of aluminium this is .225 of a miligram

            So this would be equivalent in a baby of eating 75000 x .225 ie 16875 mg
            which is 16 grams of aluminium or 16 grams up until the age of 17 years.

            Enough to poison anyone . But this is only the multiplied effect of injecting as opposed to eating – there are thousands more biological effects of the .225 mcg x 50 jabs = 11.25 milligram being injected.

            No wonder there is autism if you add this to the mercury and the 100’s of other toxins in that tube .

          • Kevin

            Hi,vaccination does not cause Autism,if it did then what you are saying is that everyone who was vaccinated in the past should now be Autistic,myself included,and I can assure you,I am not Autistic.

          • nworder

            NO ITS NOT 100% AS YOU PRETEND NOT TO KNOW – IN AMERICA IT IS AROUND 1 IN 50 AND RISING – BUT IT IS A SPECTRUM .

            You could be on the spectrum and thats maybe why you could not get employment and ended up trolling for baby death and injury – sad case dumb dumb oops kevin

            Once the guv makes it mandatory for adults and you get your 70 you will be in a medical care facility .

          • Kevin

            Perhaps you are the one with a problem because it seems that you are getting mixed up as to whom you are talking to,Me or Nom.

          • nworder

            But at this stage what does it matter – you are one of a kind – or two of a one – or one of the same – lol

          • If your criteria for sockpuppet is “disagrees with n-worder” then about 90% of people vax their kids so….

          • nworder

            AUTISM IS CAUSED BY VACCINES YOUR PICTURE PROVES ITS BETTER TO HAVE A LOW VACCINATION RATE LIKE THE UK

            COS IN AMERICA IN 2012 AUTISM IS ONE IN 68 :-
            BY 2016 IT WILL BE ONE IN 50

            FROM THE CDC Five Important Facts to Know :-

            1. The estimated percentage of children with ASD remains high.

            About 1 in 68 or 1.5% of children were identified with ASD based on tracking in 11 communities across the United States in 2012.

            According to previous reports, the percentage of children identified with ASD increased between 2002 and 2010.
            The new report shows no change between 2010 and 2012 in the percentage of children identified with ASD.
            2. It is too soon to tell if the percentage of children identified with ASD is still increasing or has stabilized.

          • nworder

            GO TO THE UK WITH LESS VACCINATION AND EASY OPT OUTS – JUST SAY NO TO AUTISM – DONT GET VACCINATED

            LOOK AT THE ABOVE AND COMPARE TO AMERICA’S AUTISM RATE – NOW AT 1 IN 50 EVEN AFTER THE CDC SUPPRESSING THE STATS .

          • Ron Roy

            That’s very debatable.

          • While you’re right that vaccination doesn’t cause autism, technically, Ron Roy has a point here – you can’t get there from here. Obviously, not every smoker gets lung cancer – and that won’t change the fact that smoking does cause lung cancer.

          • Kevin

            Once again you are right.Listen whats with the Dumb Dumb,has Roy finally got into you.

          • Nah, I just think it’s funny to change my nom de disqus to whatever the latest insult by Ron Roy, Ciaparker et al is.

          • suz norkan

            This latest nym is even better than grasshopper, padawan and neophyte, padawan!

            And it’s certainly entertaining to watch you continue to make a huge fool of yourself with your infantile and witless spam, demands for evidence of pmt., ‘cites not sites’ and your erred overuse of the philosophical fallacies/onus!

            The ‘bop’ CONTINUES to be on the vax manufax, who’ve made the ORIGINAL claim that vax is safe. They need to conclusively prove that it’s safe without corruption and cois involved. They can’t since it ISN’T!

            You’re just the ‘shill that keeps on giving,’ dumb dumb! 😉

          • Kevin

            Ok I am waiting in anticipation as to what will be my new name.

          • Probably something like “Shill” or maybe “Troll.”

          • nworder

            What about dumb dumb’s dumb dumb

          • Kevin

            Nah has no character

          • Kevin

            Nah to common,I will wait for a fancy one.

          • Natural News is good at fancy namecalling.

          • eddysachs

            Seven dwarfs trolls …satan’s minions…evil little bastards

          • Evidence besides “they disagree with eddysachs?”

          • eddysachs

            GFYS

          • If that’s go find it yourself, I suggest you learn how the burden of proof works.

          • Kevin

            I can just picture Roy rubbing his hands together and saying to himself “I got him Dumb Dumb” You do realize that you have to change your name,he will never let you live it down.

          • sabelmouse

            you haven’t thought this through.

          • Take it up with Johnny Canuck, nworder since he’s the one who went “if you wouldn’t eat these, why would you inject them?”

            Have you corrected for the fact that people eat more often?

          • nworder

            I have eaten all my life but one vaccine such as hep B can kill a child in a DAY .

            Hey kid you eat often would you like 70 mercury and aluminium vaccines – lol
            YOU ARE A SCREAM KEVIN oops DUMB DUMB

          • Fish and vanilla flavouring. Again, not scared.

          • suz norkan

            She – n.d.d. [padawan][jenny higgs] is a 12 yr. old neurodiversie, still living with mommy and daddy, who does nothing but play on internet commentaries with her spammy memes and erred philosophical fallacies, trying to sound smart, day and night!

          • Prove it please.

          • nworder

            17 DEATHS AFTER HEP B VAX – DR MERCOLA :-

            “Further, serious side effects and even deaths have also been reported following receipt of this vaccine, including eight recent newborn deaths in China. Over a period of two months, eight infants in China died within hours, and in some cases minutes, of receiving hepatitis B vaccines. In all, 17 deaths among Chinese children aged 5 and younger have been reported following hepatitis B vaccines administered in late 2013.

            China Investigates Makers of Hepatitis B Vaccine After Baby Deaths

            Six of the deaths occurred in infants who had received the vaccine made by Shenzhen Kangtai Biological Products, while two occurred after hepatitis B vaccine produced by drug maker Beijing Tiantan Biological Products (shares of this company plunged by up to 10 percent following media reports of the deaths).

          • After =/= because.

            PMID numbers, please.

          • Kevin

            Why does he keep calling you Kevin? I am Kevin.

          • He thinks that we’re sockpuppets of the same person.

          • Kevin

            REALLY or are you pulling my leg?

          • nworder

            YOU ARE MANY SOCKPUPPETS OF THE SAME PERSON

          • Jonathan Graham

            Sorry, the aluminum in vaccines is not going to affect the cognitive development of children. See ALUMINUM NEUROTOXICITY IN PRETERM INFANTS RECEIVING INTRAVENOUS FEEDING SOLUTIONS. N. BISHOP PMID: 9164811

          • nworder

            OF COURSE A TOXIN LIKE ALUMINIUM WILL AFFECT COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT IF GIVEN BY IV .
            YOU DONT NEED PUBMED – think about it – if aluminium is toxic in adults when eaten and can even give Alzheimer’s to an adult – then IV or injection into a little infant
            WILL BE 75000 TIMES MORE TOXIC THAN ALUMINIUM EATEN BY AN ADULT .

          • Jonathan Graham

            OF COURSE A TOXIN LIKE ALUMINIUM WILL AFFECT COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT IF GIVEN BY IV

            The evidence says you’re wrong. Sorry.

          • “OF COURSE A TOXIN LIKE ALUMINIUM WILL AFFECT COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT IF GIVEN BY IV .”

            Umm…given that vaccines are administered IM or SC…one must ask: What is your point here?

      • nworder

        YES AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE WITH ITS HIGHEST VACCINATION RATE.
        OUR FAMILY IS NOT VACCINATED FOR MEASLES AND WE NEVER NOTICED ANY MEASLES .
        WHY NOT JUST GET NATURAL MEASLES AND YOU WILL NEVER GET IT AGAIN – MUCH SAFER THAN A JAB

          • nworder

            YOU MUST HAVE FAKED THE GRAPHS TO INCLUDE NATIONS AT WAR , OR WITH FAMINE OR WITH DROUGHT OR WITH HUNGER – YOU ARE A CUNNING TROLL

            NCBI AND ALSO PUB MED : (read the rest )

            AMERICA HAS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH INFANT DEATHS (SIDS)
            CORRELATING WITH THE MOST VACCINES.

            Abstract : from NCBI
            The infant mortality rate (IMR) is one of the most important indicators of the socio-economic well-being and public health conditions of a country.

            The US childhood immunization schedule specifies 26 vaccine doses for infants aged less than 1 year—the most in the world—yet 33 nations have lower IMRs.

            Using linear regression, the immunization schedules of these 34 nations were examined and a correlation coefficient of r = 0.70 (p < 0.0001) was found between IMRs and the number of vaccine doses routinely given to infants. Nations were also grouped into five different vaccine dose ranges: 12–14, 15–17, 18–20, 21–23, and 24–26. The mean IMRs of all nations within each group were then calculated.
            Linear regression analysis of unweighted mean IMRs showed a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates, with r = 0.992 (p = 0.0009).

            Using the Tukey-Kramer test, statistically significant differences in mean IMRs were found between nations giving 12–14 vaccine doses and those giving 21–23, and 24–26 doses. A closer inspection of correlations between vaccine doses, biochemical or synergistic toxicity, and IMRs is essential.

            Keywords: infant mortality rates, sudden infant death, SIDS, immunization schedules, childhood vaccines, drug toxicology, synergistic effects, linear regression model

          • Evidence for “I must have faked the graph please.”

          • nworder

            AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE OF ALL DEVELOPED NATIONS DUE TO ITS HIGHEST VACCINATION RATES.

            You have so many countries on the right I cant see the print and you have included countries with famine , wars (caused by america mainly) , countries in drought , poverty
            YOU HAVE DONE THIS BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE HIGHER INFANT DEATHS (BUT NOT BY VACCINES) AND YOU CAN USE THAT TO OBFUSCATE THE FACT THAT YOUR AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE CORRELATING WITH THE NUMBER OF VACCINATIONS .

          • nworder

            BUT THAT GRAPH IS DECEIVING SINCE INFANT MORTALITY FELL ALL OVER THE WORLD DUE TO BETTER NUTRITION AND SANITATION , HYGIENE
            SO YOU ARE A DECEIVER WITH YOUR GRAPHS

            NOW AMERICA IS 56TH ON THE LIST BEHIND CUBA LOL :-

            THE ATLANTIC :_
            “In a global context, the current goal still represents a woefully low bar, with the U.S. lagging far behind other wealthy nations in terms of infant mortality. According to a report published last week by the Centers for Disease Control, out of the 34 developed countries that make up the Organization for Economic Cooperation (24 European nations, plus Australia, Canada, Chile, Japan, Korea, Israel, Mexico, New Zealand, the United States, and Turkey), the U.S. ranks 27. Worldwide,

            WE , AMERICA ARE NUMBER 56, sandwiched between Serbia and Poland; Monaco, which has the lowest infant-mortality rate at 1.8 deaths per 1,000, is doing more than three times better.”

          • nworder

            DUMB DUMB YOU ARE TRASHED WITH THIS PUBMED RESEARCH – THE TYPE OF EVIDENCE YOU SAY YOU LOVE – LOL
            BUT WE KNOW VAERS HARDLY REPORTS ONE TENTH OF ADVERSE REACTIONS :-

            AMERICA HAS HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE CORRELATING WITH THE SHEER NUMBER OF TOXIC JABS

            PUBMED :-
            Hum Exp Toxicol. 2012 Oct;31(10):1012-21. doi: 10.1177/0960327112440111. Epub 2012 Apr 24.
            Relative trends in hospitalizations and mortality among infants by the number of vaccine doses and age, based on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), 1990-2010.
            Goldman GS1, Miller NZ.
            Author information
            Erratum in
            Hum Exp Toxicol. 2012 Nov;31(11):1190.
            Abstract
            In this study, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database, 1990-2010, was investigated; cases that specified either hospitalization or death were identified among 38,801 reports of infants.

            Based on the types of vaccines reported, the actual number of vaccine doses administered, from 1 to 8, was summed for each case. Linear regression analysis of hospitalization rates as a function of (a) the number of reported vaccine doses and (b) patient age yielded a linear relationship with r(2) = 0.91 and r(2) = 0.95, respectively.

            The hospitalization rate increased linearly from 11.0% (107 of 969) for 2 doses to 23.5% (661 of 2817) for 8 doses and decreased linearly from 20.1% (154 of 765) for children aged <0.1 year to 10.7% (86 of 801) for children aged 0.9 year.

            The rate ratio (RR) of the mortality rate for 5-8 vaccine doses to 1-4 vaccine doses is 1.5 (95% confidence interval (CI), 1.4-1.7), indicating a statistically significant increase from 3.6% (95% CI, 3.2-3.9%) deaths associated with 1-4 vaccine doses to 5.5% (95% CI, 5.2-5.7%) associated with 5-8 vaccine doses.

            The male-to-female mortality RR was 1.4 (95% CI, 1.3-1.5). Our findings show a positive correlation between the number of vaccine doses administered and the percentage of hospitalizations and deaths.

            Since vaccines are given to millions of infants annually, it is imperative that health authorities have scientific data from synergistic toxicity studies on all combinations of vaccines that infants might receive. Finding ways to increase vaccine safety should be the highest priority.

          • It already is.

          • nworder

            LIKE BILL GATES NON POLIO – POLIO PARALYSES in thousands of children after vaccination by the depopulator in chief .

          • 1)All you have to do is get a hold of the stool sample and prove it contains the polio virus.

            2)After =/= because of.

          • nworder

            GATES IS USING THIS VACCINE TO DEPOPULATE AFRICA , INDIA
            VACCINE ACTUALLY CAUSES POLIO :-

            In 1977, Jonas Salk, the creator of the polio vaccine, testified before a Senate subcommittee that “all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.” In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the USA between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine and most of the reported cases occurred in fully immunized individuals.

            Despite indisputable proof that vaccines do nothing to prevent disease, brainwashed pediatricians insist that it is unwise and a health risk to have unvaccinated children.

          • https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c196e173790f0a7029d7ed030ad470b4bdeef3b5b73a8f57459ce99b575c240.jpg

            Please show me where I can read Jonas Salk’s testimony.

            “Despite indisputable proof that vaccines do nothing to prevent disease, brainwashed pediatricians insist that it is unwise and a health risk to have unvaccinated children.”

            Sharing this induspitable proof would be a start but you do realize that only being caused by the oral polio vaccine is impossible if vaccines don’t work.

            “In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the USA between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine and most of the reported cases occurred in fully immunized individuals.”

          • nworder

            POLIO INCREASES WITH VACCINATION :-

            TRUTH WIKI :-
            Therefore, the factors that caused the decline of polio after 1950 did not include the Salk “miracle” vaccine at all. In fact, the vaccine was one of the causes of disease. Salk himself testified later on before a Senate subcommittee that most of the polio outbreaks since 1961 were actually caused by Sabin’s oral polio vaccine.

            He may have known this would happen all along, based on the fraud and misrepresentation he was taking part in. Large scale vaccination is a failure, and nobody can review the statistics because the CDC scrubs them from record.

            Several respected scientists now believe the Salk and Sabin vaccines could be responsible for the major increase in leukemia in the United States, by combining and increasing strains, creating new forms of the disease using monkey kidneys. In the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health (August of 1997), it says that more than fifty percent of children lamed by poliomyelitis had already received THREE DOSES of oral polio vaccine BEFORE the onset of paralysis.

            Still the “March of Dimes” will have one believe that polio is a rampant and violent crippler of a disease that can spread like wildfire and that the only way to be safe from it is to be injected with experimental combinations of wildly selected strains mixed with formaldehyde and aluminum.

            Since 1950, polio outbreaks have mainly been caused by intensified diphtheria and whooping cough vaccinations and other pharmaceutical injections. There is even a name for it – – provocation poliomyelitis. (7)

          • What does the very first page of VAERs say?

          • Ron Roy

            This is why the mortality rate is so much higher in undeveloped countries:”It was similar with the measles vaccination. ”They went through Africa,
            South America and elsewhere, and vaccinated sick and starving children…They thought they
            were wiping out measles, but most of those susceptible to measles died from some other
            disease that they developed as a result of being vaccinated. The vaccination reduced their
            immune levels and acted like an infection. Many got septicaemia, gastro-enteritis,
            etcetera, or made their nutritional status worse and they died from malnutrition. So there
            were very few susceptible infants left alive to get measles. It’s one way to get good
            statistics, kill all those that are susceptible, which is what they literally did.”
            –Dr Kalokerinos, M.D.”

          • Evidence, please.

      • nworder

        TAKE MISSISSIPPI – OK – GET VACCINATED FOR MEASLES AND DIE :-

        “According to a 2010 CDC report on infant mortality, Mississippi led the USA with 9.62 infant deaths per 1,000 live births (1). Gleefully, anti-vaxxers point out multiple references showing Mississippi also leads the nation in vaccinating children, with rates at or better than 99.9% overall. For example see references (2) and (3).

        As a scientist, I’m forced to concede facts, and here we have one: the state with the best vaccination record is also losing children at the highest rate.”

        • You should know better than to fail to control for confounders as a scientist.

          Hint: Is Mississippi a wealthy state?

          • nworder

            STOP UPTICKING YOURSELF – it does not work
            AND DONT MAKE EXCUSES FOR MISSISSIPPI – we have similar areas in the UK
            but with better survival due to less vaccination .

            There are plenty of poor areas in the world – much poorer than american states – that have lower infant death rates – ie IN 36 nations – lol.

          • 1)Please show me where my name appears in my upvotes.

            2)Similiar areas in the UK but with better survival due to less vaccination. Huh. How did you control for universal healthcare.

            3) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c318290813f882580d8e725bf513c0ef6aa60634d1ccba5325da58aebf065a47.jpg

          • nworder

            AMERICA IS NO 56TH ON THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH GRAPH CAUSED BY VACCINATION :-

            “In a global context, the current goal still represents a woefully low bar, with the U.S. lagging far behind other wealthy nations in terms of infant mortality. According to a report published last week by the Centers for Disease Control, out of the 34 developed countries that make up the Organization for Economic Cooperation (24 European nations, plus Australia, Canada, Chile, Japan, Korea, Israel, Mexico, New Zealand, the United States, and Turkey), the U.S. ranks 27. Worldwide,

            We’re number 56, sandwiched between Serbia and Poland; Monaco, which has the lowest infant-mortality rate at 1.8 deaths per 1,000, is doing more than three times better.

          • None of that answers the questions I asked, nworder.

  • MA Deuce

    Who ever the stupid individuals are that would be tasked to do the inoculation procedure, they would have to ask themselves, am I willing to possibly/probably die in order to get this done ? That`s what they would be facing, in at least one instance.

  • Undecider

    This is why we have the 2nd Amendment.

  • gweneth

    Vaccines – causing diseases from autism to cancer.
    see:nagalase, gcmaf, gylsophate, baby tissue (of course, from planned parent hood) cas9/crispr, squaleene adjuvants and various heavy metals. This is pure junk science.
    check out Catherine Frompovitch, Dr. Tenpenny and others who are totally against this misery.
    Moms and Dads stop going to hospital. My daughter had her child at home and has never been vaccinated and never gets sick, except an occasional runny nose.

    • Please point me to the PMID number of Dr Tenpenny’s research.

      • Ron Roy

        PMID Yeah right. As if the MEDICAL MAFIA would allow anything negative concerning vaccines to have that exposure. Go to WHALE / VACCINE and find out the truth about vaccines.

        • suz norkan

          Or ANYWHERE, minus her neophyte notions and myopic mind!

          • eddysachs

            These satanic minions are the same witless sociopaths that load up on aspartame or sugar sodas & scarf down GMO Doritos & murder & kill people in the mid east from the comfort of their Drone chairs….30 yr old virgins living in their parents basements …pathetic POS really …I hear ya Suz

        • Proponent

          Geez, Ronald.. at least you are consistent in being consistently wrong at every turn in these discussions..

          “Delay in diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood asthma.”

          J Allergy Clin Immunol. 2008 Mar;121(3):626-31. doi: 10.1016/j.jaci.2007.11.034. Epub 2008 Jan 18.

          … …

          Don’t get too excited, though.

          And I’ll leave pointing out the limitations of the study as an exercise for you. Well, that is..if you are up to the task.

          • suz norkan

            As the parrot squawks! Another witless quote/redirect from someone else who’s NOT parrot Pro, but POSTED by parrot Pro!

            No need to ‘point out your limitations’ for having an original thought in your brain, but your ‘leaving’ is certainly appreciated!

          • Oboehner

            No need to ‘point out your limitations’ for having an original thought in your brain, but your ‘leaving’ is certainly appreciated!

          • suz norkan

            Aw! You kiddies are up late tonight! Ridiculous, repetitive redundancy, parrot Pro! 😉

          • Oboehner

            Fits you like a glove.

          • suz norkan

            Actually, it fits parrot Pro. which is why I wrote and directed it to you!

          • Oboehner

            “repetitive redundancy” LOL

          • suz norkan

            RIDICULOUS repetitive redundancy! Thank you very much!

          • Oboehner

            Are you sure it’s not recurrent repeated repetitive redundancy?

          • suz norkan

            I’m quite sure that I said ‘ridiculous repetitive redundancy’ in this particular instance, and with good cause. However, I likely have used ‘recurrent repetitive redundancy’ in the past.

            Now you can take your ‘b0ner’ and go hump someone else’s leg! 😉

          • Ron Roy

            Studies conducted by the MEDICAL MAFIA should always be viewed with suspicion because we all know what happens to anyone who would dare do or say anything that would harm the profits of one of the MAFIA families.

          • eddysachs

            condescending POS

          • Proponent

            “Positively Omniscient Soul?”

            Thank you.. you are too kind, sir.

        • Jonathan Graham

          As if the MEDICAL MAFIA would allow anything negative concerning vaccines to have that exposure.

          Already disproved Ron. Journals publish articles which are critical of vaccines. So either you’re simply wrong or the medical mafia doesn’t exist. 🙂

          • nworder

            “The medical mafia does not exist” thats as daft as saying the mafia does not exist
            or criminals dont exist or autism doesn’t exist .

            VACCINATION IS BIG MONEY – BIGGER THAN MOST BUSINESS – CRIMINALS ARE IN THERE AND BRIBING BENT POLITICIANS LIKE PAN TO FORCE US TO PAY THE PROTECTION MONEY TO THESE GANGSTERS IN ORDER TO LOSE OUR HEALTH WITH A FORCED JAB.
            The old mafia never had power like this

            AND YOU ARE A CREEPY , SNIVELING TROLL LICKING THE PHARMA EXECUTIVES $1000 BOOTS for a pittance , losing your soul into the bargain.

            Life’s too short get a proper job and breath some fresh air

          • Jonathan Graham

            thats as daft as saying the mafia does not exist or criminals dont exist or autism doesn’t exist

            False analogy. See for that to be true you would have to present as much evidence for the existence of the “medial mafia” as there is for the normal mafia. Anyway the point here is that this was a logical consequence of Ron’s argumentEither he is wrong and the medical mafia exists and lets people write vaccine critical articles for journals OR there is no medical mafia.

          • nworder

            Many brave researchers and medical men write critical articles against vaccination – like Dr Wakefield – see how the criminal gangster medical mafia tried to wipe him out.
            This is happening all the time .

            How could the medical mafia stop every critical article – although they will try to gut anyone that threatens their $ trillion plus monopoly .
            What utter nonsense you talk.

          • Jonathan Graham

            How could the medical mafia stop every critical article

            Again this is Ron Roy’s assertion not mine. I’m just pointing out how wrong it is.

            What utter nonsense you talk.

            You mean Ron Roy. These are all his ideas that you are criticizing.

          • eddysachs

            gottaluv that smug witless mug of yours with your head waaay up where the sun don’t shine …spineless worm

        • JGC

          Yeah! I mean, if there were a problem with a vaccine like Rotashield, we’d never hear about it right? They’d just cover it up and keep selling it.

          Just like they did with the 2009 seasonal flu vaccine Pandremix….

          Oh, wait. Never mind.

  • whiteplains

    We need to get some doctors that”we” trust to know what’s really in these vaccine’s.
    Then like that ad”let Mickey try it” first!
    Make it a mandate that”All”

    • And what will you do if nothing happens after they’ve done this?

  • Before the mandate of these shots for the public, the administration must certify that every person in the judicial, legislative and executive branch (without any waivers) has been given the identical shots. :>)

  • BlessedtoServe

    all for chipping purposes….don’t kid your self, not only toxins, but to chip people…yes do your research people..Not going to happen to me…in Cali they are already chippping the kids, through mandatory vaccines…thank you moon beam Jerry Brown…

      • BlessedtoServe

        yes, I have been more healthy since rejecting ms medicine,,,in fact was highly allergic to most, even asprin, my immune system, is stronger for it…I am now 64 and I am not on any medicine and the last taken was when I was in the hospital 15 years ago and nearly died to a antibiotic given me. It was then decided by the Drs. that any medicine given from that day forward would probably kill me…my system that is the immune system has strengthen ever since. There is a reason we have an immune system in the first place …any chemicals induced compromises it…and deflates what was designed in the first place. I have not had the flu, or cold in 23 years….

        • What do you think chemicals are?

          • Oboehner

            Formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, Thimerosal (mercury), and polysorbate 80…?

          • The question asked for a definition.

          • Oboehner

            Doesn’t state that specifically.

          • nworder

            Chemicals are chemical things like what’s found in vaccines like :-
            Formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, Thimerosal (mercury), and polysorbate 80…?

            dumb and dumber

          • Nope. Chemicals are the building blocks that make up everything.

          • nworder

            IMAGINE THAT – WE LEARNED THAT IN PRIMARY SCHOOL AND YOU’VE
            JUST PICKED IT UP LATER ON IN LIFE IN YOUR TROLL WORKSHOP -lol

          • Yes, this is my point. You’re lying about things you damn well know better about it. Why is that?

          • BlessedtoServe

            I’ll take no chemicals, I eat food out of my own garden…no gmo’s no pesticides, I use vinigar for cleaning. Natural glycerin as soap…if it is in the ground it is natural…works for me…if you like your chemicals, you can keep your chemicals…

          • Blessedtoserve, what do you think the food in your garden is made of?

          • BlessedtoServe

            It is all organic…did you not read no gmo’s, no pesticides no chemicals, cow manure is used and natural supplements, natural bugs are used, i.e. worms, ladybugs, and praying mantisis… there is no chemicals in my food…food is not chemicals… the soil is directly from farmers who have irradicated in parasites or other minerals, it is completely free from all until added, once two to three harvest, soil is returned and sterilized again for new planting…food is not chemicals.

          • BlessedtoServe

            I can see why you call yourself dumb dumb…another thing you can’t fix stupid…that should be your middle name.

          • What’s H2O? A chemical or a drink?

          • Proponent

            BlessedtoServe: “I can see why you call yourself dumb dumb…another thing you can’t fix stupid…that should be your middle name.”

            But, has also said this..

            BlessedtoServe: “As a Christian we are here to help one another in always learning…nothing more …but if you take positive criticism in the wrong way…I am not responsible for that. .. You preach Love, but demonstrate otherwise.”

            … …

            Let me finish with some more of BlessedtoServe’s words..

            ‘Have a Blessed Day, BlessedtoServe’.. you divinely inspired hypocrite.

          • BlessedtoServe

            boy you are stretching it….living right here in the organic capital of farmers….organic means, chemical free foods…look it up….what you list is probably been sprayed, put into the soil or systemic control of bugs, etc… look up organic…..and do some research…or is it too much work, and if you take water H20 AND filter it…with zero chems or mins it is free of toxins….

          • I have looked it up – there’s no such thing as chemical free foods. There is only food that advertisers want you to think is chemical free.

            Know what would happen if you really ate a chemical free diet? You’d starve. Apples have more chemicals than lovehearts.

          • BlessedtoServe

            only if you use chemicals to grow them…but then again I don’t eat apples…or for that matter any fruit…I don’t eat sugar…I grow my own food…advertisers can advertise all they want I don’t buy their food…

          • “Only if you use chemicals to grow them.”

            I assume you water your plants to grow them?

          • BlessedtoServe

            its called hydroponics…with water that is sterilized and organic nutrients added…any soil used is also sterilized and organic nutrients add, elimination of disease and pesticides as well as only minimal organic nutrients used to grow the plants,….being in the argriculture capital of the USA, with PHD’s in the field, I believe they know a little more than you…I think I will listen to them as apposed to a random anonymous poster such as youself.

          • AutismDadd

            Wow the shills and sock puppets are doing their usual gang attack. You seem to be doing well though.

          • BlessedtoServe mumbled, “…if it is in the ground it is natural…works for me…”

            You mean like “in the ground” and “natural” like oil, natural gas, uranium, bauxite, asbestos, cinnabar, galena, etc.?
            How very “Gnatural” of you.

          • nworder

            REALITY WHO IS ACTUALLY A DUMB DUMB ALIAS is continuing to get off on his great knowledge of chemicals – lol and of cliches on the word chemical.

            Eg I call supermarket cakes “chemical cakes” but that does not mean they are not made of chemicals it just implies they are full of unnatural junk – for a cake.

            Are you getting excited in your basement Dumb Dumb communicating your incredible intellect lol to the attractive Blessed

          • BlessedtoServe

            better reread that….did I say specifically if it is in the ground….no I don’t believe I did…but go ahead….and ASSume your own understanding or comprehension…far be it for me to enlighten you. Carry on.

          • BlessedtoServe, being off her meds, drooled, “better reread that….did I say specifically if it is in the ground….no I don’t believe I did…”

            Yes. Yes you did say that specifically.
            disqus(dot)com/home/discussion/theactivistpost/obama_quietly_signs_executive_order_to_achieve_global_vaccination_agenda/#comment-2999915119

            Here is your entire post quoted for your faulty memory:
            “I’ll take no chemicals, I eat food out of my own garden…no gmo’s no pesticides, I use vinigar for cleaning. Natural glycerin as soap…if it is in the ground it is natural…works for me…if you like your chemicals, you can keep your chemicals…”

            Jesus hates liars, BlessedtoServe (“A humble Servant of God”).
            He especially hates blatant liars.

            Readers may once again ask:
            Why do anti-vaccinationists constantly lie?

          • BlessedtoServe

            so let me say this I use the Bible to use medicinal medicine…and I am not a liar but hey you can say anything you want….you are a man and your words have no weight with me…However, too many banter around, liar hypocrite etc… I suggest you do more work regarding vaccines. I have seen too many deaths, regarding them. These are personal experiences…and their is one thing I detest…when another denies another of their personal experiences and what one has seen with their own eyes. And another thing is people such as yourself, are always looking to attack
            Christians as if they are the liars and cheats…. when in fact you are projecting… if it comes from the ground…God made it…man did not change it….we ate from the ground before man even made processed food…if it came from the ground…God made it…God does not make bad….man does…. chemicals made by man are bad…..that is the subject… BTW you accuse me of being off my meds….it is those who digest processed anything that have the problem…don’t just attack me because of my name…I have been on these posts long enough to know that just the name alone attract reprobates…I know when it happens, and I know one by their attacks… Yours is not to have a conversation but to attack the person….most can’t have an intelligent conversation so they attack the person only to find every once in a while they find one who fights back…yep…So there is no lying…lots of research and personal experiences, along with knowing many PHD’s, who btw agree there are better ways than vaccines…and proven…buy hey that would put too many out of the $$$$$….. and in the end that’s what it is about…all too feed off people who think it is the good for man kind… talk about sheeple… Remember Moses lived to be over 300 years…and there were no vaccines..then..

          • nworder

            TROLLS ARE PAID TO LIE – AND THEY KNOW THEY ARE LYING FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF INFANT HEALTH

            REVELATIONS :-
            But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS –they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

          • You use acetic acid solution????? Granted, a weak one but it’s still a chemical.

          • BlessedtoServe

            No …but keep guessing…you are indeed making me laugh with your ignorance.

          • Did you use vinegar or not?

          • BlessedtoServe

            Natural made…not man made…are you Christian…God made the earth..with all the resources to use in His natural form…Man like’s to take things and think they know better and always fail to see their short comings… it’s called A God complex…you know like allot of Dr’s have that is where the terms comes from. I take no man made chemical..anything that man has processed I will not use. Not even an aspirin. Now here is a list of vinegar…acetic acid that has medicinal purposes.
            1. Antimicrobial Properties

            Vinegar is one of the best natural cleaning agents there is, and this is largely due to its antimicrobial properties. When added to food, the organic acids in vinegar (especially the acetic acid) pass into cell membranes to kill bacteria.

            Foods fermented with vinegar have a natural arsenal of antimicrobial organic acids, including acetic, lactic, ascorbic, citric, malic, propionic, succinic, and tartaric acids.

            One study found acetic acid to be lethal to even E. coli O157:H7, while other research has shown substances such as acetic acid, lemon juice, or a combination of lemon juice and vinegar to be effective against salmonella.3

            2. Antioxidant Effects

            Antioxidants are a class of molecules that are capable of inhibiting the oxidation of another molecule. Antioxidants play a significant role in your health, as they can control how fast you age by fighting free radicals that result in oxidative stress.

            Polyphenols and vitamins in many different types of vinegar help ward off oxidative stress due to their potent antioxidant properties. Examples of antioxidants in apple cider vinegar, for instance, include catechin, epicatechin, and gallic, caffeic, and chlorogenic acids.

            3. Anti-Diabetic Effects

            Vinegar is said to be anti-glycemic and has a beneficial effect on blood sugar levels. It’s thought that the acetic acid in vinegar may lower blood sugar by preventing the complete digestion of complex carbohydrates, which is accomplished either by accelerating gastric emptying or increasing the uptake of glucose by bodily tissues.4

            One theory is that vinegar might inactivate some of the digestive enzymes that break down carbohydrates into sugar, thus slowing the conversion of complex carbohydrate into sugar from a meal into your bloodstream. This gives your body more time to pull sugar out of your blood, preventing your sugar levels from spiking.

            Quite a bit of research supports the use of vinegar as a diabetic treatment as well. One study found that vinegar treatment improved insulin sensitivity in 19 percent of individuals with type 2 diabetes and 34 percent of those with pre-diabetes.5

            4. Cancer

            The antioxidant content of vinegar may make it useful against cancer, and a traditional Japanese rice vinegar called Kurosu has shown particular promise for reducing cancer risk.6 Kurosu vinegar has been found to inhibit the growth of a variety of cancer cells, including colon, lung, breast, bladder, and prostate.

            Kibizu, a sugar cane vinegar from Japan, has been shown in cell studies to inhibit the growth of leukemia cells, while consuming vinegar may even reduce the risk of esophageal cancer.7

            5. Weight Loss

            Vinegar may help you lose weight, as it appears to have an anti-obesity effect by increasing satiety and reducing the total amount of food consumed. For instance, when volunteers consumed two tablespoons of red raspberry vinegar daily for four weeks they lost weight, while those who consumed the same amount of cranberry juice gained it.

            Further, in separate research, people who consumed a small amount of vinegar along with a high-carb meal (a bagel and juice) consumed less food for the remainder of the day. The reduction equated to about 200 to 275 calories a day – an amount that would result in a monthly weight loss of up to 1.5 pounds.8

            6. Heart Health

            Vinegar supports heart health in multiple ways. As explained in the Journal of Food Science:9

            “Polyphenols such as chlorogenic acid, which is present in high levels in apple cider vinegar, could inhibit oxidation of LDLs and improve health by preventing cardiovascular diseases.”

            It also appears to help lower blood pressure. One study showed that vinegar could lower cholesterol in laboratory rats,10 while another study on rats found their blood pressure could be lowered by the acetic acid in vinegar.11

            7. Heartburn and Acid Reflux

            Acid reflux typically results from having too little acid in your stomach. You can easily improve the acid content of your stomach by taking one tablespoon of raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar in a large glass of water daily.

            8. Injuries

            “Mother” of vinegar, a cobweb-like amino acid-based substance found in unprocessed, unfiltered vinegar, has antibacterial properties that may help to heal burn injuries. The intake of acetic acid bacteria (AAB) may also help to reduce muscle damage caused by inflammation after exercise.12

            9. Brain Health

            It’s been suggested that vinegar consumption might improve cognitive function in humans, and research shows that acetic acid bacteria do, in fact, produce precursors of important building blocks of brain tissues called sphingolipids.13

            10. Increased Nutrient Absorption

            Vinegar is high in acetic acid. Like other acids, acetic acid can increase your body’s absorption of important minerals from the foods you eat. Therefore, it is possible that drinking a mild tonic of vinegar and water just before meals might improve your body’s ability to absorb the essential minerals locked in foods. Or, adding vinegar to your salad dressing might help you absorb more nutrients from your leafy greens.

          • Lol. Aectic acid is a chemical.

          • BlessedtoServe

            a natural one….not man made….

          • nworder

            WOW – DUMB DUMB IS SO INTELLIGENT HE KNOWS THAT VINEGAR IS A CHEMICAL OR MORE CORRECTLY CHEMICALS
            Dumb Dumb I am in awe of you – you must be surrounded with admiring females.

          • shay simmons

            Vinegar and glycerin contain chemicals.

          • BlessedtoServe

            Glycerol /ˈɡlɪsərɒl/ (also called glycerine or glycerin; see spelling differences) is a simple polyol (sugar alcohol) compound. It is a colorless, odorless, viscous liquid that is sweet-tasting and non-toxic. It is widely used in the food industry as a sweetener and humectant and in pharmaceutical formulations. Key word folks in this discussion is toxins……toxins ….when it is non toxic will it hurt you? Also called glycerol or glycerine, glycerin is present in all natural lipids (fats), whether animal or vegetable. Now go and look up vinegar to know it is non toxic as well and it is well used medicinally…and is better than anything a Dr. can prescribe for 1,000 of uses…non toxic….is the discussion…vaccines have toxins….

          • shay simmons

            Key words folks in this discussion is … this person knows nothing about chemistry.

          • nworder

            Neither do you dumb dumb

          • Michael McCarthy

            You probably could have stopped after the word nothing.

          • nworder

            ANOTHER NEW TROLL IDENTITY FOR SHAY AND DUMB DUMB
            ACTIVIST POST PLEASE BAN THESE OBVIOUS TROLLS – MAKING THE SITE INTO A BIG PHARMA ADVERT

          • Michael McCarthy

            uh-huh. Your tinfoil hat appears to be loose.

          • BlessedtoServe

            Key word is folks tend to think they know more than another, without knowing who they are posting with… it so simple to exault one to a higher understanding while still not even finishing a BS degree…

          • shay simmons

            “Exault?”

          • Michael McCarthy

            Key word folks in this discussion is toxins……toxins ….when it is non toxic will it hurt you?

            Casual readers, to answer this question, one need only look up hyponatremia.

          • 1)So? It’s still a chemical

            2)Toxins. You mean like diptheria and pertussis toxins?

            3)Yes. Sure it will. I mean, you’d need a LOT but….

          • BlessedtoServe

            listen first and foremost your avatar is dumb dumb it is apparent of why you chose that…now also…we know why you chose to chatise me…all because of my name…all libs are programed to do so…so go stroke your own intellect…I have no desire to educated a geneticaly flawed human… libbys have their own mental illness to contend with…nothing anyone can cure that…stick with your illness…and leave the others alone…

          • What are you talking about, Blessedtoserve?

            I have corrected Ron Roy on his chemistry mistakes.

          • nworder

            You should be awarded an honorary PHD in chemistry – lol hhe hhah hah

          • We’re talking about Blessedtoserve’s name and how it affects how I respond to her.

            Same assembly hall where you collect your honorary PHD in logic.

          • Jonathan Graham

            Is water non-toxic? sure. Can water kill you? Yes. Approximately six to eight liters can kill you. So isn’t toxicity a reference to the dose that you take rather than some innate property?

          • nworder

            BUT SOME THINGS ARE MORE TOXIC THAN OTHERS YOU CHUMP . SO WATER ESPECIALLY BY WEIGHT WILL BE MUCH LESS TOXIC – DO YOU THINK YOU ARE IMPRESSING ANYONE WITH YOUR TROLL GUFF – SAME GUFF OVER AND OVER OUT YOUR LITTLE BOOKLETS .

            EG ZINC , MAGNESIUM , CALCIUM , SODIUM ARE MUCH LESS TOXIC THAN MERCURY , ALUMINIUM , ETHYL MERCURY , DIMETHYL MERCURY AND METHYL MERCURY .

          • Jonathan Graham

            BUT SOME THINGS ARE MORE TOXIC THAN OTHERS YOU CHUMP

            Odd talk from someone who can’t see that dimethylmercury is more toxic than any other kind of mercury and instead needs to fantasize that the account of Karen Wetterhahn had been somehow altered.

          • shay simmons

            “Some animals are more equal than others!”

          • nworder

            WE CANT HAVE ANY EVENT SHOWING HOW TOXIC MERCURY REALLY IS
            THAT A MINUSCULE AMT OF DIETHYL MERCURY THROUGH A GLOVE THEN HER SKIN KILLS KAREN THE LAB ASSISTANT .
            SO WE SPIN A STORY THAT IT WAS THE “DIETHYL” THAT DID IT NOT THE NUTRITIOUS ETHYL AND METHYL MERCURY THAT IS SO FRIENDLY TO INFANT BRAINS – LOL
            THEN INSTEAD OF BEING A TRACE AMOUNT IN THE BLOOD WE WILL SAY IT WAS 80 TIMES THE FATAL DOSE – THROUGH THE SKIN BETWEEN THE THUMB AND FOREFINGER ????????. PURE BULL and you know it .

          • Jonathan Graham

            WE CANT HAVE ANY EVENT SHOWING HOW TOXIC MERCURY REALLY IS
            THAT A MINUSCULE AMT OF DIETHYL MERCURY THROUGH A GLOVE THEN HER SKIN KILLS KAREN THE LAB ASSISTANT .
            SO WE SPIN A STORY THAT IT WAS THE “DIETHYL” THAT DID IT

            So all the chemistry books are wrong, all the safety standards regarding work with non-diethylmercury are wrong. I’ve watched people hold far more than a few drops of elemental mercury in their hands. Those must have been magic tricks. All the youtube videos showing people holding elemental mercury in their hands or submerging their hand in mercury are faked….

            ….all so you can have a scary story to tell yourself. Instead of realizing that not all forms of mercury (or mercury containing compounds – Just for you Dumb Dumb) are equally toxic.

            You know that Tin (Sn) is one of the safer metals around right? Do you realize there are organotins which are dangerous? No? The tin can from the 1950’s is just as lethal as organotins?

          • nworder

            YOU HAVE NOW GONE TO ELEMENTAL MERCURY WHICH CAN STILL KILL IF INGESTED , BREATHED , OR INJECTED BUT WILL NOT GO THROUGH SKIN VERY FAST – WE KNOW THIS BUT IT IS NOT WHAT YOU WERE DEBATING ON

            YOU SHOULD JUST STOP DIGGING INSTEAD OF TRYING TO TWIST IT THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT .

          • Jonathan Graham

            BUT WILL NOT GO THROUGH SKIN VERY FAST

            So you recognize that some kinds of mercury are more lethal than others. Congratulations. You also lost this argument. Since clearly this form of mercury which you FINALLY ADMIT passes through skin/gloves easily. Is not at all comparable to what is injected and what is injected is a dose so different than the one received in this story. That you might as well be comparing the risk of drinking an 8 oz cup of water with a story about water toxicity.

          • nworder

            YES IT IS THE SAME AS THAT INJECTED INTO BABIES – ETHYL METHYL MERCURY ARE MUCH MORE DANGEROUS INJECTED THAT ELEMENTAL MERCURY ON THE SKIN.
            DIMETHYL WILL BE SIMILAR IN TOXICITY TO ETHYL WHICH CHANGES INTO METHYL WHEN IN THE BODY .

            ALL FORMS OF MERCURY ARE TOXIC AND CAN KILL – A GLASS OF WATER DRUNK CANNOT KILL – YOU ARE A BLATHERING FOOL

          • Jonathan Graham

            YES IT IS THE SAME AS THAT INJECTED INTO BABIES

            Nope. They are different in structure and exceptionally and wildly different in dose.

            ALL FORMS OF MERCURY ARE TOXIC AND CAN KILL – A GLASS OF WATER DRUNK CANNOT KILL

            Notice how you had to change topic mid sentence there? You had to change from referencing the compound to referencing a DOSE.. If you had said, “All forms of mercury are toxic and can kill but not all forms of water drunk can kill”. You would of course be incorrect because water can kill you. Just in different doses.

          • nworder

            IN YOUR EFFORTS TO TRY TO CONVINCE US THAT ETHYL AND METHYL MERCURY ARE GREAT FOR BABIES YOU ARE LOOKING PRETTY FOOLISH.

            I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT DRINKING A GLASS OF WATER WILL NOT HARM YOU AT ALL AND IS NEEDED FOR YOUR METABOLISM .

            Oh what a web we weave when we set out to deceive .

          • Jonathan Graham

            IN YOUR EFFORTS TO TRY TO CONVINCE US THAT ETHYL AND METHYL MERCURY ARE GREAT FOR BABIES YOU ARE LOOKING PRETTY FOOLISH.

            As I’ve said before I’m simply pointing out that your use of this story to talk about vaccines is ignorant.

            I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT DRINKING A GLASS OF WATER WILL NOT HARM YOU AT ALL

            Again you’re being deceptive by not mentioning that some doses of water are harmful.

            Oh what a web we weave when we set out to deceive .

            I guess you would know about deception since you’ve been nothing by shifty this whole time. Using stories which are not relevant, constantly omitting dosages from your statements, not using normalized units, pretending there are no differences between dimethylmercury and mercury compounds. The list goes, on and on and on.

          • nworder

            SINCE YOU LOST THE LOGIC YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT UP .
            A GLASS OF WATER IS NOT HARMFUL – ITS NOT NOT NOT HARMFUL

            YOU CAN DROWN IN WATER BUT THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH INJECTING ETHYL MERCURY INTO A BABY – YOU CLOWN OF A TROLL

            ETHYL MERCURY IS UTTERLY DEADLY AS IS METHYL AND YOU HAVE ETHYL IN THE VACCINE TURNING INTO METHYL .

          • Jonathan Graham

            A GLASS OF WATER IS NOT HARMFUL – ITS NOT NOT NOT HARMFUL

            A glass of water is a dose which is not harmful. However that dose has more in common with the toxic dose of water than the dose of mercury compound (for you Dumb Dumb) in vaccines does with the dose of dimethymercury in our story. I’ve already provided the math which clearly shows this.

            Which is why you’ve lost this argument.

          • *vaccine doses

          • Jonathan Graham

            Again. I stand corrected.

          • nworder

            YOU HAVE NOT CLEARLY SHOWN ANYTHING OTHER THAN MUDDLED THOUGHTS.
            A GLASS OF WATER IS GOOD FOR YOU
            ETHYL MERCURY IS INCREDIBLY TOXIC ESPECIALLY WHEN INJECTED INTO BABIES AND PREGNANT MOTHERS
            THE TWO ARE NOT RELATED – WATER IS NECESSARY FOR LIFE – ETHYL MERCURY IS DEATH .

          • Jonathan Graham

            THE TWO ARE NOT RELATED

            You related them when you chose an example of using an comparatively massive dose of dimethylmercury to the dose used in some vaccines. Saying we should be afraid of comparatively massive doses doesn’t necessitate being afraid of small doses. In the same way that being afraid of massive doses of water shouldn’t make us afraid of an 8 oz glass. I’ve demonstrated – using math – that these are at least comparable.

          • nworder

            A MASSIVE DOSE OF DIETHYL MERCURY TO YOU BEING TWO DROPS ON A GLOVE WHICH KILLED A LAB ASSISTANT
            SO WHAT TO YOU WOULD BE A MASSIVE DOSE OF ETHYL MERCURY (THE ONE IN VACCINES)

          • Jonathan Graham

            A MASSIVE DOSE OF DIETHYL MERCURY TO YOU BEING TWO DROPS ON A GLOVE WHICH KILLED A LAB ASSISTANT

            Relatively massive. Yes. It’s relatively massive to the 50 mcg of thiomersal delivered in a multi-dose flu vaccine. Who wouldn’t call 20mg relatively massive to 50 mcg? You do understand the difference between “milligrams” and “micrograms” right?

          • nworder

            IF YOU HAD READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS YOU WOULD REALISE THAT I DO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MILLI AND MICRO

            IT IS THE METHOD OF DELIVERY AND THE VACCINES DELIVER 100% INTO THE BLOODSTREAM AND SINCE A BABY IS AT LEAST TEN TIMES LIGHTER THAN THE LAB ASSISTANT – DELIVERS 10 TIMES MORE PER KG.

            AND AS YOU KNOW IT IS NOT ONE VACCINE BUT OVER 50 VACCINES .

            SKIN ABSORBS TOXINS BUT NOT 100% IN A MINUTE OR TWO AND A LAB GLOVE WOULD NOT LET 100% THROUGH IN SECONDS .

          • Jonathan Graham

            IF YOU HAD READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS YOU WOULD REALISE THAT I DO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MILLI AND MICRO

            I really can’t see where you recognize that fact. If you do then you know that there’s an immense difference between 20g and 50mcg. About a factor of 400. You would also know that there are so many things which are toxic at 400x the dose which is of little effect then you should know your example is irrelevant.

            SKIN ABSORBS TOXINS BUT NOT 100% IN A MINUTE OR TWO AND A LAB GLOVE WOULD NOT LET 100% THROUGH IN SECONDS .

            As stated we don’t need 100% – we just need 6%.

          • nworder

            BUT YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR MATHS – YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 16 GRAMS OR SOME CRAZY FIGURES EARLIER ON BEING SUCKED IN THROUGH A GLOVE AND THEN THE SKIN.
            PLUS ONLY 1/2 IS MERCURY BY WEIGHT.

            THERE’S ANOTHER STRANGE THING – I COULD ONLY FIND ANOTHER TWO OR SO TO BE KILLED BY THIS STUFF DI ETHYL MERCURY – WHERE ARE THE REST ? IN AN ERA WITH NO PROTECTION – HOW DID IT TAKE OVER 100 YEARS TO FIND IT GOES THROUGH A GLOVE ?
            DEFINITELY SOMETHING STRANGE – AND ESPECIALLY WITH YOUR PANICKY FIGURES WHICH i WILL CHECK FOREWITH ( I work for a living unlike you)

          • Jonathan Graham

            BUT YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR MATHS – YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 16 GRAMS OR SOME CRAZY FIGURES EARLIER ON BEING SUCKED IN THROUGH A GLOVE AND THEN THE SKIN.

            Not really. You are probably just misreading.

            THERE’S ANOTHER STRANGE THING – I COULD ONLY FIND ANOTHER TWO OR SO TO BE KILLED BY THIS STUFF DI ETHYL MERCURY – WHERE ARE THE REST ? IN AN ERA WITH NO PROTECTION – HOW DID IT TAKE OVER 100 YEARS TO FIND IT GOES THROUGH A GLOVE ?

            As usual you are making up stories to feed your delusion. Why would there need to be a lot of deaths? How frequently was this specific form of mercury used? The answer is – not often at all. To the point that today, there’s no practical use for it. It took me seconds to find records of five deaths. Two of which followed very close after discovery.

            I work for a living unlike you

            I have a job. It just happens to involve sitting at a computer. Which means spending 2 min to reply to you doesn’t take much out of my day.

          • AutismDadd

            An your employer allows that or your employer is lets say pro-vaccine?

          • Jonathan Graham

            An your employer allows that

            Way back when you were working they didn’t have coffee breaks?

          • AutismDadd

            OMG is that your scam?

          • Jonathan Graham

            So you did have coffee breaks or didn’t?

          • AutismDadd

            Lunch breaks too, but I never spent them shillin

          • Jonathan Graham

            Neither do I.

          • nworder

            THERE IS NO PRACTICAL USE FOR IT SINCE THEY USE ETHYL MERCURY IN VACCINES WHICH TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY BOTH INCREDIBLY TOXIC
            AND GREAT FOR A BABIES BRAIN.

          • Jonathan Graham

            THERE IS NO PRACTICAL USE FOR IT

            Because it had few uses to begin with all of which have been replaced with mercury salts.

            SINCE THEY USE ETHYL MERCURY IN VACCINES

            Thiomersal. Compound. Not the same.

            WHICH TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY

            Unlikely and methylmercury is not dimethylmercury.

          • nworder

            I AGREE WITH DR HILLEMAN – WHY WOULD YOU PUT THE MOST TOXIC MERCURY COMPOUNDS NEAR A BABY OR INFANTS BRAIN

            In Section 5 on page 3, Dr. Hilleman rated the toxicity of mercury compounds as follows: Most toxic: Methyl and ethyl salts
            Intermediate: Mercury vapor
            Least toxic: Inorganic mercury salts.

            It is important to note that in addition to the three above-mentioned organizations, just about everybody else in the world of vaccination still seems to disagree with Dr. Hilleman, two decades later, regarding the serious toxicity of Thiomersal, an Ethyl Mercury compound used in vaccines.
            In fact, most “experts” would let you believe that a tuna fish sandwich is more dangerous to a pregnant woman than a couple of mercury-laced vaccines.

            In Section 6 e on page 5: Hilleman added: “ For babies: “The 25 µg of mercury in a single 0.5 ml dose and extrapolated to a 6 lb baby would be 25X the adjusted Swedish daily allowance of 1.0 µg for a baby if that size… If 8 doses of thimerosal-containing vaccine were given in the first 6 months of life (3 DPT, 2 HIB and 3 Hepatitis B) the 200 µg of mercury given, say an average size of 12 lbs would be about 87X the Swedish daily allowance of 2.3 µg of mercury for a baby of that size”
            It is important to note that in the United States, the number of recommended pediatric vaccines increased steadily from 1991 to 1999 and so did the potential mercury load that ultimately reached 187.5 µg by age six months.
            This amount of mercury was much greater than the amount Swedish babies were getting in the first 6 months of life, when the responsible Swedish Health

            Authorities screamed STOP NOW.

          • Jonathan Graham

            It seems I have to remind you as to what is actually being argued here. It’s the applicability of your story about a lab technician. You have not provided any evidence that showing that:

            i) The compounds are the same.
            ii) The doses are the same.
            iii) (and now because you’ve moved the goalpost) The overall body burden is the same.

            So your story is irrelevant until you figure out how to actually make an argument.

          • nworder

            YOU DONT KNOW THE AMOUNT THAT WENT THROUGH THE LAB TECHNICIANS GLOVE AND SKIN – SO YOU ARE IN THE DARK .
            THE OVERALL BODY BURDEN IS NOT THE SAME BETWEEN A BABY AND A FULL GROWN LAB TECHNICIAN .

            I KNOW YOU DONT LIKE HILLEMAN’S CONCLUSION SINCE HE WAS A FIRST RATE HONEST RESEARCHER AND YOU ARE AN UNQUALIFIED TROLL WHO CANT GET A JOB.

          • Jonathan Graham

            YOU DONT KNOW THE AMOUNT THAT WENT THROUGH THE LAB TECHNICIANS GLOVE AND SKIN

            Of course we do. We know the blood level. 4mg/L or 20mg body burden at T0. math!

            THE OVERALL BODY BURDEN IS NOT THE SAME BETWEEN A BABY AND A FULL GROWN LAB TECHNICIAN .

            Doesn’t have to be, however the technician had a point exposure and vaccines – while getting exposed to an entirely different compound – are a series of micro-exposures. So not only is the total exposure lower but the overall body burden will be lower.

            I KNOW YOU DONT LIKE HILLEMAN’S CONCLUSION

            I am ambivalent to it because in this discussion it’s irrelevant.

            YOU ARE AN UNQUALIFIED TROLL WHO CANT GET A JOB.

            You’re so funny. What I do for a living is right in my profile.

          • nworder
          • Jonathan Graham

            If you’ve given up trying to make an argument that the lab technician is relevant to vaccination then you should say so and we can move on to your other neuroses.

          • nworder

            THE DEATH OF A LAB ASSISTANT WITH TWO SMALL DROPS OF DIMETHYL MERCURY THAT SHOT THROUGH PROTECTIVE GLOVES AND SKIN IN SECONDS IS HIGHLY RELEVANT TO MERCURY’S INCREDIBLE TOXICITY AND
            ITS SISTER CHEMICAL ETHYL MERCURY WHICH IS INJECTED INTO INFANTS
            AND TURNS INTO SISTER 2 – METHYL MERCURY.

            Thats why you have been told to keep downplaying it with utter BS and obfuscation .

          • Jonathan Graham

            THROUGH PROTECTIVE GLOVES AND SKIN IN SECONDS IS HIGHLY RELEVANT TO MERCURY’S INCREDIBLE TOXICITY

            The reason it went through gloves and skin quickly is because it was a different kind of mercury. Again this story isn’t relevant unless you can show that vaccines produce the same dose. We know the dose 4 mg/L – no matter how hard you press on that capslock key you can’t make the vaccine doses of thiomersal equivalent to 4 mg/L. No matter how many times you move the goalposts. You have the same problem.
            Thats why you have been told to keep downplaying it with utter BS and obfuscation .I have nobody telling me what to type here. I’m simply being open, honest and transparent. Something YOU are not. I’ve displayed all my calculations the values are easily checked. You can only make vague claims. You’re the dishonest one here.

          • nworder

            “A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MERCURY” ? THE BAD FAIRY MERCURY AS OPPOSED TO THE GOOD FAIRY MERCURY.

            You are using the blood volume they gave us but you have no way of checking that since if the authorities publicised the incredibly low volume of mercury needed to kill an adult who weighs 15- 20 times a baby would be a red flag on mercury in vaccines which are kept going by the fairy story that somehow ethyl mercury is harmless.

            IT IS THE MERCURY AND AUTISM LINK YOU ARE PAID TO DEBUNK

            WESTON PRICE :-
            MERCURY IN VACCINES AND AUTISM

            The mercury-autism connection has surfaced to the public’s attention with the publication of “Deadly Immunity,” by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. in the July issue of Rolling Stone magazine, simultaneous with publication in Salon.

            Kennedy describes a Center for Disease Control and Prevention meeting held June 2000 at which CDC epidemiologist Tom Verstraeten presented evidence to industry and government officials that thimerosal, the mercury-based preservative in vaccines, was responsible for the epidemic of autism in America’s children.

            Instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the attendees spent the rest of the meeting discussing ways to cover up the damaging data.

            Subsequently, powerful friends in Congress have tried to protect vaccine manufacturers with legislation to shield them from more than 4000 pending lawsuits. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who has received $837,000 in contributions from the pharmaceutical industry, quietly slipped a rider known as the “Eli Lilly Protection Act” into the homeland security bill………….

          • Jonathan Graham

            “A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MERCURY” ? THE BAD FAIRY MERCURY AS OPPOSED TO THE GOOD FAIRY MERCURY.

            A different type of mercury as in the “highly lipid soluble mercury”. Yes, the kinds and configurations of atoms makes a difference in terms of the properties of a substance. Welcome to chemistry circa 1890! Did you know that a chirality of some compounds can mean the difference between something that is teratogenc and something that isn’t.

            You are using the blood volume they gave us but you have no way of checking that since

            So in other words you’re now doubting the veracity of your own story. Well thanks for just handing a win to me.

            Recall that your argument is that mercury is so ultra-toxic that even the mercury salts in vaccines are deadly. Recall that my argument is that your story is irrelevant to your argument. I demonstrated this by showing that they were different in terms of material, dose and resultant body burden. Which makes your story irrelevant to your argument.

            Your response now is that the story can’t be trusted and you assume that mercury is toxic. Which of course ALSO makes your story irrelevant. If the only way you can argue that mercury is ultra-toxic is by ASSUMING that it’s ultra-toxic to begin with. Then the story is irrelevant to your argument.

            Thanks again.

          • nworder

            I NEVER HANDED YOU ANY WIN – I POSTED THE STORY TO SHOW YOU HOW INCREDIBLY TOXIC MERCURY IS .
            IT WAS A MAINSTREAM NEWS STORY THAT THEY COULD NOT DENY
            BUT THEY WILL CERTAINLY TWIST FACTS TO DOWNPLAY TOXICITY SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO BELIEVE IN JONATHAN’S GOOD ETHYL MERCURY FAIRY .
            ITS A COMMON TACTIC
            Like a spoilt little child you are always claiming some false victory .
            I dont really believe that the gloves let allegedly 20 mg of DI ETHYL MERCURY through a glove and skin in seconds BUT THEY AND YOU HAD TO SAY THIS .

            Mercury salts dont stay the same in the body as you are implying – eg the vaccine ethyl mercury changes to methyl mercury .
            Methinks you are a failed chemistry degree student first then became a troll

          • Jonathan Graham

            I NEVER HANDED YOU ANY WIN

            You sure did.

            I POSTED THE STORY TO SHOW YOU HOW INCREDIBLY TOXIC MERCURY IS .

            In relation to vaccines because if you can’t relate this story to vaccines then it’s pointless in the discussion of vaccines.

            BELIEVE IN JONATHAN’S GOOD ETHYL MERCURY FAIRY ITS A COMMON TACTIC

            Actually what you’re doing is a tactic. I’m not advocating mercury consumption I’m simply pointing out that your story is utterly irrelevant to a discussion of mercury in vaccines. It differs radically in type, dose and body-burden. However because you can’t engage on ANY of those points you are making a strawman argument.

            I dont really believe that the gloves let allegedly 20 mg of DI ETHYL MERCURY through a glove and skin in seconds

            Disbelieve every chemistry book and MSDS sheet if you want to. That’s your business.

            Mercury salts dont stay the same in the body as you are implying

            They don’t have to for your story to be irrelevant.

          • Ron Roy

            Your debating with a ( lets call him a man at least he somewhat resembles a man ) who has been stripped of all common decency and a conscience by the money the MEDICAL MAFIA pays him. He will push their poisons on unsuspecting people until doomsday.

          • Jonathan Graham

            So the fact that I showed nworder’s illustration to be irrelevant using math is indication that I’ve been stripped of all decency?

            Roy you regularly lie to people. How do you feel about that?

          • nworder

            YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN MY SCENARIO TO BE IRRELEVANT – ITS JUST THAT YOUR HEAD’S SO BIG THAT YOU THINK YOU ARE WINNING ALL THE TIME .
            If you were so clever you would have a proper job instead of being a propaganda mouth for the benefits of mercury poisoning.

            2 SMALL DRIPS OF DI ETHYL MERCURY AS OPPOSED TO ETHYL MERCURY – (THE TYPE YOUR CHILDREN GET INJECTED WITH )CAUSED THE DEATH OF A LAB WORKER WHO WAS WEARING PROTECTIVE GLOVES – HOW POISONOUS IS THAT – THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD TO DEBUNK BUT SO FAR YOUR OBFUSCATIONS HAVE FALLEN FAR SHORT .

          • Jonathan Graham

            2 SMALL DRIPS OF DI ETHYL MERCURY

            Dimethylmercury. Not diethylmercury.

            AS OPPOSED TO ETHYL MERCURY – (THE TYPE YOUR CHILDREN GET INJECTED WITH )

            As opposed to thiomersal which is used in a few vaccines.

            CAUSED THE DEATH OF A LAB WORKER WHO WAS WEARING PROTECTIVE GLOVES – HOW POISONOUS IS THAT – THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD TO DEBUNK

            I haven’t been told to do anything. However to show you that your story is irrelevant. All I have to do is demonstrate that it’s a false analogy. I’ve accomplished that in two ways:

            a) I’ve established that – and you’ve agreed – that what killed the lab worker is a entirely different and more dangerous compound which moves easily through the skin and gloves.

            b) That the dose is massively different. So much so that it’s similar to comparing the dose of water you get in an 8 oz glass with the lethal dose of water. In fact giving yourself that much more of just about anything is going to be lethal.

            Different compound, wildly different dose. Therefore your anecdote is irrelevant. QED.

            BUT SO FAR YOUR OBFUSCATIONS HAVE FALLEN FAR SHORT .

            You can keep telling yourself that but as soon as you can admit to yourself 6% of that organomercury could have gone through that glove and into that persons bloodstream. You have effectively admitted your story is irrelevant.

          • nworder

            WHY IS THE STORY OF THIS DEATH CAUSED BY TWO SMALL DROPS OF DIMETHYL MERCURY IRRELEVANT
            WHEN METHYL MERCURY IS A BY PRODUCT OF ETHYL MERCURY WHICH IS INJECTED INTO TINY BABIES ABOUT 50 TIMES BEFORE THE AGE OF 6 BEING AT LEAST 10 TIMES LESS IN WEIGHT THAN THE LAB ASSISTANT WHO DIED.

            THAT IS A FACTOR OF 500 WHICH BLOWS YOUR MATH TO BITS
            NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT KATHERINE’S POISON WAS WHAT WENT THROUGH PROTECTIVE GLOVES AND UNBROKEN SKIN WHEREAS THE ETHYL MERCURY IS INJECTED 100% INTO THE BLOODSTREAM OF BABY – WHICH

            WILL ADD A FACTOR OF THOUSANDS X BY THE 500 ABOVE

            AND YOU’RE PISSING ON ABOUT GLASSES OF WATER .

          • Jonathan Graham

            WHY IS THE STORY OF THIS DEATH CAUSED BY TWO SMALL DROPS OF DIMETHYL MERCURY IRRELEVANT

            I’ve spelled this out. It’s irrelevant to vaccines because….

            i) What is in vaccines is an entirely different compound.

            ii) What is in your story is a ridiculously large dose compared to what is in a vaccine.

            WHEN METHYL MERCURY

            But not dimethylmercury

            IS A BY PRODUCT OF ETHYL MERCURY

            No a compound consisting of ethylmercury . Different thing.

            WHICH IS INJECTED INTO TINY BABIES ABOUT 50 TIMES

            No, only influenza in multi-dose vials has thiomersal above 1 mcg. So that’s about six times.

            BEFORE THE AGE OF 6 BEING AT LEAST 10 TIMES LESS IN WEIGHT THAN THE LAB ASSISTANT WHO DIED.

            Blood volume in an infant is close to ten times less. However by the time they are six they have the same weight/blood volume ratio as an adult. So you would have to calculate each one.

            So six times is 300mcg of thiomersal. That’s still OVER SIXTY TIMES the dose from the lab assistant story. Not counting that thiomersal isn’t mercury or dimethylmercury. However unlike the story where the dose was given in a few seconds. These doses are given over six years. Which means the overall body burden is going to be near zero each time.

          • Michael McCarthy

            That’s still OVER SIXTY TIMES the dose from the lab assistant story.

            should that read sixty times less?

          • Jonathan Graham

            Good catch. Thanks.

          • Michael McCarthy

            you’re welcome!

          • nworder

            WHY DO YOU KEEP TALKING TO YOURSELF AL MATHER ?

          • Michael McCarthy

            wait, I’m confused. I thought I was @shay_simmons:disqus? Now I am @al_mather:disqus ? Am I also @skeptistics:disqus ? Any other personalities you would like me to assume “New World Order”?

          • Jonathan Graham

            Didn’t one of the Catholics accuse you of being me too?

          • Michael McCarthy

            It is possible. I have a hard time remembering all of the people I supposedly am. “New World Order” here is Lowell Hubbs level crazy/stupid.

          • nworder

            I CAN HELP YOU THERE – YOU ARE JONATHAN WITH AN OUTFIT ON

          • Michael McCarthy

            Good to know, thanks.

          • Jonathan Graham

            I think Lowell has some real problems and his vaccine vendetta probably isn’t helping. I’m torn between nwo being similarly disturbed or a troll/sock.

            Ever notice how many of these folk have weirdly affected typing styles? I don’t mean a penchant for words or phrases but a way of typing that nobody would ever actually use. When I see that I tend to elevate the likelihood that this is a sock.

          • Michael McCarthy

            Ever notice how many of these folk have weirdly affected typing styles?

            Of course. On the GMO threads, we have Ted Miner. He has a minimum of 6 socks that he vehemently denies, despite the fact that they all use the exact same phrases and terminology and make identical spelling errors.

          • Jonathan Graham

            Ah, I was more thinking that someone with weirdo speech either has some difficulty communicating or they are disguising themselves. Like people who type as if they’re speaking with an accent.

            I should really mess with the Python framework for Disqus. I’ve done adjacency matrix style identification before for detecting socks. I wonder if it would work here? I can also do time zone estimations by looking at the distribution of posts.

          • Michael McCarthy

            Ah, I was more thinking that someone with weirdo speech either has some difficulty communicating or they are disguising themselves. Like people who type as if they’re speaking with an accent.

            Hmm, I hadn’t considered things that way before. I thought it was just an affliction of the stupid that they type that way.

            I’ve done adjacency matrix style identification before for detecting socks. I wonder if it would work here?

            I honestly don’t know enough about IT to fathom a guess on that. Mostly I look at linguistics, most will have a “tell” that gives them away.

          • Jonathan Graham

            An adjacency matrix is something done for authorship analysis. You take a large body of say Ron Roy’s work. Get a list of every word they use. Then create a chart with a row for every word and a column for every word. From there you are simply counting the number of times the author uses one word before another. So if they write “such that” thirty times. Then at the intersection of column “such” and row “that” you write the number 30.

            After that you divide all the values by the number of word pairs. Now instead of counts of word pair usage. You have a frequency. Assuming the data we used is representative of the author. We can then look at a sentence written by an unknown author and look up the frequency of every word pair and multiply them together. The result is the likelihood that Ron Roy was the unknown author.

          • nworder

            DO THEY HAVE A CHART THAT DOES A SMUG RATING FOR THE LIKES OF YOU

          • Jonathan Graham

            I’m not smug. I’m just not as gullible as you are.

          • nworder

            YOU ARE GULLIBLE THINKING THAT INJECTING MERCURY INTO LITTLE KIDDIES BRAINS IS GOOD FOR THEM
            And you are making a few dollars out of this – you are one sicko AL .

          • Jonathan Graham

            Well a) I’m not Al, b) vaccines are not injected into peoples brains they are injected intra-muscularly (and sometimes subQ or intradermally) c) it’s thiomersal not mercury, d) only one vaccine has any chance of having any e) Yes, vaccines are good for you.

            …and yes you constantly tell us how gullible you are. As long as someone is telling you what you want to hear you will treat their words as gospel. That’s your choice. I’m simply not into that “follow what some leader tells you without thinking even a little” bit.

          • nworder

            When you are collecting your $ you will be thinking even less than normal
            The mercury obviously ends up in the brain – as demonstrated – there are few completely closed compartments storing the mercury for safety – pathetic – lol

          • Jonathan Graham

            The mercury obviously ends up in the brain

            So in other words you lied about it being injected into the brain? Right?

          • nworder

            You childish fool – the vaccine is injected into the blood stream via muscle and then reaches the brain . As everyone but Jonathan the mercury troller for babies autism

          • Jonathan Graham

            the vaccine is injected into the blood stream via muscle and then reaches the brain .

            You said “injected into the brain”. Were you lying or not?

          • Zogby

            If you ever want to take this a step further, most of the work has already been done. Check out D4rum Defender

            @FORUM_DEFENSE_TEAM:disqus

          • Jonathan Graham

            It wouldn’t be hard, I just wrote some code to pull messages. I could probably just passively build up a matrix. You could then go to a website punch in a message id and find the author on disqus closest to said post.

            I clicked the link and I see a list of posts mostly by someone named Q. What am I looking at here?

          • nworder

            EH ? SOMEONE NAMED …….Q ?

          • Zogby

            Q wrote the D4rum Defender program. This is the program National Review Online used until they switched to Facebook comments.

            D4rum uses the Disqus API to analyze comments and identify similar users. You can find a fork on Github.

          • Jonathan Graham

            I’ll check it out. Thanks.

          • Al Mather

            Lowell …a while back…had a compulsion to include the phrase….. “and nor” in nearly every response. I used to point it out to him frequently..He took some large( for him) breaks from commenting a while back and seems to have gotten it under control.. which is promising for his personal growth potential . Exhibiting the capability for behavior modification.

          • nworder

            YOUR DOG’s better at typing than you are AL – amazing pawing of the keyboard even after his brain destroying vaccines .

          • Al Mather

            Asserting that even a brain damaged dog can best you in banter? Your babble is as senseless as ever Nwordy….

          • nworder

            YOU HAVE WALTER MITTY SYNDROME , AL .
            PLUS A DEMONIC NARCISSUS COMPLEX
            PLUS A COMPULSIVE SELF UPTICK DISORDER

          • Jonathan Graham

            …apparently what I really have is a puppy following me from thread to thread…

          • Al Mather

            I’m honored to be …albeit, within the context of a paranoid delusion… confused with any of you fine folk.

            I believe Nwordy’s “imbalances” present themselves on Disqus in direct ratio to his use of CAPS LOCK.

          • nworder

            YOU LOOK SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT – ESPECIALLY WITH THE HAIRCUT .

          • Al Mather

            Ah… I see what you did there… You were trying to SHOUT wit…
            That’s my pride and joy Labrador in my avatar Nwordy.
            Your avatar still looks exactly as you read… a blank featureless detached bubble head .

          • nworder

            DO you vaccinate your dog to make him as dumb as you ?

          • Al Mather

            Nwordy…what could I possibly say to you that you haven’t already PAID some sore riddled vagrant to say to you in a gas station Men’s room?

            Fully vaccinated and boosted my dog displays an intellect that dwarfs your pathetic frothing and rabid stupidity.

          • nworder

            Poor dog – does he snuggle up to you in bed ?

          • nworder

            Woof! Woof ! How many identities are you handling just now – excluding the dog

          • Michael McCarthy

            paranoid delusion

            You almost have to feel sorry for him, leaving the house must be nearly impossible for the fear of black vans and satellite tracking.
            Have a happy and safe Thanksgiving!

          • Al Mather

            Nwordy IS one of those that make you count your blessings.

            You as well Michael… or should I say of course “we” will…Lol.

          • nworder

            Talking to yourself again – AL

          • nworder

            ITS CHEAPER FOR YOUR BOSSES TO USE ONE TROLL WITH MULTIPLE IDENTITIES. BUT DONT EVER BLOW THE WHISTLE OR YOU WILL DISAPPEAR
            SINCE YOU KNOW TOO MUCH

          • Michael McCarthy

            ah yes, I forgot, my “bosses” control everything.

          • shay simmons

            YOU ARE SPARTACUS!!!!

          • Michael McCarthy

            No, WE are Spartacus! Huzzah!

          • nworder

            A SIX YEAR OLD CHILD DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF BLOOD AS AN ADULT NOR THE SAME BODY WEIGHT ???? you are pretending again

            ETHYL MERCURY IS A DEADLY POISON THAT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE HUMAN BRAIN AS THIMEROSAL NOR AS ITS BREAKDOWN PRODUCT METHYL MERCURY

          • Jonathan Graham

            A SIX YEAR OLD CHILD DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF BLOOD AS AN ADULT NOR THE SAME BODY WEIGHT ????

            Look, you’re going to have to start READING what I type. It’s the rmass to blood volume ratio that’s the same by the time you are six. I use that word “ratio” right up there.

            So again your story is irrelevant because you can not show that:

            i) The compound is comparable.
            ii) The dose is comparable.
            iii) The (because you moved the goalpoasts) total body burden is comparable.

            I’ve given you math showing that all of these are different.

          • nworder

            THE RATIO OF BLOOD /VOLUME DOES NOT MATTER -THE 6 YR OLD CHILD OR A DAY OLD BABY GETTING VACCINATED IS LESS THAN AN ADULT LAB ASSISTANT – YOU THINK YOU ARE SO CLEVER WITH YOUR DEBATING TECHNIQUE

          • Jonathan Graham

            THE RATIO OF BLOOD /VOLUME DOES NOT MATTER

            Of course it does. You use it to calculate the blood volume. You use a separate ratio for infants and pre-term infants. Again, if you had actually moved your eyes over every word in my post and formed them into complete sentences you would see that’s what I said. Perhaps if you weren’t spending all your time pushing the capslock key?

            THE 6 YR OLD CHILD OR A DAY OLD BABY GETTING VACCINATED IS LESS

            Yes, they are both getting less thiomersal than the lab assistant was getting in dimethylmercury. The child is always at a lower body burden than the lab assistant – ceterus paribus.

          • nworder

            A CHILD GETS THE SAME VACCINE AS AN ADULT BUT HAS 1/10 1/15 th t THE BLOOD VOLUME .
            A NEW BORN BABY IS 20 TIMES SMALLER AND GETS THE SAME VACCINE AS A FULL GROWN MAN WITH A MATURE IMMUNE SYSTEM.
            Baby Killer Jonathan

          • Jonathan Graham

            A CHILD GETS THE SAME VACCINE AS AN ADULT

            Up to 35 months children get 0.25mL rather than 0.5mL.

            1/10

            More correctly a 1 year old will be around 1/10th the blood volume of a 200 lb man as they age to six they will be about 1/4. Even at 1/10th – a 0.025 mg dose of thiomersal is still a blood level 0.037mg/L of thiomersal – over 100 times lower than the story about the lab technician. Notice I’m counting the mg of thiomersal which is only partially mercury. So if your made-up idea is that the Hg detaches, then the blood level would be 0.018 mg/L which is something like 217 times lower than what was in your story.

            So why is this story relevant again? I’m thinking you don’t have a clue here.

          • nworder

            POOR LITTLE BABY STUCK WITH 13 VACCINATIONS IN ONE DAY AND DIED . AT YOUR 1/10 THIS WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO AN ADULT GETTING
            130 VACCINES – YOU INCREDIBLY CALLOUS B….. MAKING MONEY OUT OF BABY DEATHS .
            VACTRUTH :-
            Imagine being emotionally blackmailed by your doctor to have your baby vaccinated with a lethal cocktail of 13 vaccines, which included two doses of the DTaP, three doses of the oral rotavirus vaccine and two doses of the polio vaccination. It sounds impossible, doesn’t it?

            However, this is exactly what happened to Alisa Neathery when she took her six month-old unvaccinated baby to the doctor for the first time.

            She told VacTruth:

            “Prior to the shots being given, when the doctor was discussing the pros of getting vaccinated with me, he explained how he was from a village in Africa. That we were lucky in America to have the opportunity to receive vaccines because where he was from, the mothers had to have like 11 kids each, since most would die off from disease because they were not as fortunate to receive vaccines like we are here in America. He really pushed them on me hard. He spent a lot of time convincing me to give Bently the vaccines, but when it was done, we never saw the doctor again.”

            According to Alisa, the doctor spent a long time deciding exactly which vaccinations Bently should receive and told Alisa that they shouldn’t give him too many. The doctor eventually decided on a total of 13 vaccinations, which Alisa now believes led to Bently’s death just five days later.

          • Jonathan Graham

            POOR LITTLE BABY STUCK WITH 13 VACCINATIONS IN ONE DAY AND DIED AT YOUR 1/10 THIS WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO AN ADULT GETTING

            Only four shots and one oral. None of those shots contained more than 1 mcg of thiomersal. So again, your lab assistant story is irrelevant here. Right?

          • Mike Stevens

            There are reports of people dying of water intoxication after ingesting around 20 litres of water in a single short time frame.

            Do you think ingestion of 20 litres of water over the course of a week would be lethal?
            Would ingestion of 200 ml of water at one sitting be lethal?

            Why not?

            PS: what vaccines are “injected 100% into the baby’s bloodstream”?
            I’ll give the usual Mike Stevens $1000 to a charity of your choice if you can name one which is on the childhood schedule.
            No, lets up my usual offer, and make it $10,000.
            Ball’s in your court, mate.

          • nworder

            GIVE ME A GLASS OD WATER ANYDAY – lol
            WHY DO YOU IDIOTS ALWAYS BRING UP WATER AS IF IT JUSTIFIES PUMPING MERCURY AND ALUMINIUM INTO A TINY BABY PLUS 100 OTHER TOXINS AND UNKNOWN DNA VIRUSES AND BACTERIA

            ALL VACCINES END UP 100% IN THE BLOODSTREAM (you were going to use the muscle bit – lol ) SO SEND ME THE CHEQUE

            PS water intoxication comes about through mineral depletion eg salt and potassium loss caused by taking too much water in but this does not justify your toxic vaccines
            in any way and shows how sick your logic is.

            “LISTEN MADAME – PEOPLE DIE WITH TOO MUCH WATER THEREFORE SIGN UP FOR THIS SCHEDULE OF 50 PLUS TOXIC VACCINES FOR YOUR BABY ”
            Yours truly Mike – doctor troll

          • Mike Stevens

            Please keep posting…
            I’d like others to see how irrational and stupid are the antivaxers who post comments here.

          • shay simmons

            I’ve been reliably informed (by a ninny on youtube) that thimerosal degrades into both ethyl AND methylmercury and then these two degrade to elemental mercury.

          • Jonathan Graham

            I’d argue against that but apparently all the chemistry books have been changed as part of the mercury protectionist conspiracy.

          • shay simmons

            I tried to argue against it but the ninny simply repeated the original statement. Amy Tuteur was right.

          • nworder

            THATS CORRECT , TWO VARIATIONAL MERCURY TOXINS FOR THE PRICE OF ONE – ALL THE BETTER TO KILL LITTLE BABIES WITH

          • shay simmons

            Misinformation typed in all caps is still misinformation.

          • Ron Roy

            You said you drink more than two two liter bottles of diet coke every day so are you approaching the 6 liter mark?

          • Jonathan Graham

            No, sorry. I’ve drank three litres before and it was some work.

          • nworder

            Do you mix ethyl mercury into your coke – lol
            6 pints of aspartame mixed coke or with its HFCS will eventually do you in – I’ve seen people on that stuff and they look at death’s door – aspartame is a killer .

          • Mike Stevens

            That’s a chemical, by any description.
            Are you conflating things that are “toxic” with “chemicals”?

          • nworder

            ALL TOXIC AND NONTOXIC THINGS MUST BE MADE OF CHEMICALS – YOU BOZO – lol

          • Mike Stevens

            Indeed, bozo.
            But I am pointing out that blessedtoserve equates chemicals with toxins.
            Can you read the comments before putting your foot in it next time?

          • BlessedtoServe

            No I do not equate chemicals with toxins….don’t assume. There are chemicals that can and are toxic to humans…man made chemicals blended used in pharmaceutical purposes can be often toxic…i.e. allergic reactions…side affects etc. Not one human body is the same…due to the immune system and how weak or strong it is in a particular body. It is a known fact when taking pharmaceutical medicines it alters the immune system, it is suppose to help, but in many cases harms. Check and research immunology to understand the basics. Immunology deals with physiological functioning of the immune system in states of both health and disease as well as malfunctions of the immune system in immunological disorders like allergies, hypersensitivities, immune deficiency, transplant rejection and autoimmune disorders.

            Immunology deals with physical, chemical and physiological characteristics of the components of the immune system in vitro, in situ, and in vivo. Immunology has a vast array of uses in several disciplines of science and medical science.

            Innate and adaptive immune systems
            The immune system is divided into those which are static, or innate to the organism, and those which are responsive, or adaptive to a potential pathogen or foreign substance.

            The innate system of immunity is on evolutionary terms, the older system that forms the first line of defence. It is non-specific and the resistance is static (it does not improve with repeated exposure and there is no memory on subsequent exposures). This includes physical defences such as skin & epithelial surfaces, cilia, commensual flora, acidic gastric contents, fever etc. Others are biochemical defences such as soluble – lysosyme, acute phase reactants and complement, fibronectin, interferons. Cellular components include natural killer cells, RES phagocytes.
            Scientists reveal key details of the body’s immune response to fungal infections
            The adaptive system is the second line of defence and is activated once the innate system has been overwhelmed. It is specific to the infective agent and can store the information about the invader as memory to show an enhanced response to subsequent challenge.

            The actual components of the immune system are cellular in nature and not associated with any specific organ. They are widely present in circulation throughout the body.

          • Mike Stevens

            Thank you for your homespun lecture on how the immune system works.
            As a medic with a postgraduate thesis in immunology, I really appreciate it.

            And thanks for switching the topic… I thought you were telling us how chemicals were toxic. Didn’t you criticise Dumb for even straying fractionally from your chosen narrative? …yes, so you did.
            Mkay.

        • nworder

          64 ? an old photo ?

          • BlessedtoServe

            No taken last year on my 63rd Birthday.

          • nworder

            Wow ! shows what organic food and avoiding vaccines can do

          • Kevin

            I can post a 20 year old photo and claim that I am 64 years old and say it was due to vaccination,works both ways.

          • nworder

            i WOULD NOT BELIEVE A VACCINE TROLL LIKE YOU ON ANY MATTER.

          • Kevin

            I DON’T CARE.

        • Kevin

          Hi,there,I can give you the same story,the difference is that I have had ALL my vaccinations and had the flu vaccination for many years and I am in good health.

          • nworder

            ANECDOTAL !

          • Kevin

            CORRECT,and that is the message I am giving BlessedServe ANECDOTAL.

          • nworder

            BUT YOU LIE FOR A LIVING AND ANTI VAXXERS DONT

          • Kevin

            Are you implying that I am getting paid? If so read my above post requesting from anybody here as to what I have do to get paid

          • nworder

            If you were not being paid your comments would not be so ludicrous – they would be more balanced and would be against vaccination which is an occult practice invented by the unqualified Dr Jenner who killed his own son by injecting cow pus scraped off the pustules on the belly of infected cows – by passing the immune system completely .
            THE COW PUS AND SUCH LIKE IS STILL IN THE TUBE – ITS JUST KEPT UNOBVIOUS .

          • Kevin

            Hi,I am sorry but we all have our opinions,you are entitled to yours as I am to mine and I know you don’t believe me but the truth is.I AM NOT GETTING PAID..have a nice day and stick to your beliefs because it is your right to do so.

          • nworder

            You would not sell your soul for nothing – “what would it profit you to lose your soul”

            A dollar or two per post and you sell your eternity .

          • Kevin

            As I have said you are against vaccination,I am for vaccination,lets not waste each others time as we are clearly in a position where neither of us will change our minds.thank you.

          • nworder

            BUT YOU GET PAID TO BE FOR JABBING INFANTS SO YOU IGNORE THE EVIDENCE and sell your soul for a couple bucks .

          • Kevin

            I keep telling you NOBODY is paying me to post here,if you keep insisting that I am being paid then it is not unreasonable for me to ask you to provide evidence.thank you.

          • Also, they should do so after they have rebutted your arguments since whether you’re being paid or not does nothing to alter whether you’re correct or not.

          • nworder

            Talking to yourself again – lol

          • Evidence of sockpuppetry?

            Actually, it doesn’t matter. Since whether I’m a sockpuppet or not doesn’t affect whether my claims are true or not.

          • nworder

            OF COURSE IT DOES – You are a bribed troll for big pharma using multiple aliases and tag team trolling to get a few bucks from your pharma masters .

            What a life you will look back on when your life is over.

          • Evidence of all that please?

            Including evidence that I’ll still exist when I’m dead.

          • It doesn’t matter with regards to whether my claims are correct or not.

            By the way, BSPG? FAD.

          • Kevin

            Well that’s exactly right

          • nworder

            You are a professional troll with aliases and you are also in a troll tag team – you do this scummy work because you cant get a job

          • Kevin

            And your evidence is?

          • Kevin

            And your evidence is?

          • nworder

            YOU are part of my evidence – another troll pops up – lol

          • Kevin

            Looks like I was wrong in hoping that you would come up with some REAL evidence

          • nworder

            YOU’VE GOT THAT SICKLY TROLL LOOK ABOUT YOU lol

          • Kevin

            Jealousy will get you nowhere.

          • nworder

            Ok lets see what you are saying about injecting 50 plus syringes filled with
            utter crap and puss , known and unknown bacteria and viruses etc etc into newborns blood – then I will make up my mind

          • Kevin

            You said I was a paid troll,I asked you to prove that.Why are you changing the subject.?

          • nworder

            I am not changing the subject – I want to see if you extol the virtues of pumping ethyl mercury anf aluminium into infants and other crazy things like that then I will finally decide if you are a paid troll .

          • Kevin

            You have accused me of being a paid troll already,I am still waiting for your evidence that I am a paid troll,stop changing the subject.

          • nworder

            NO I AM RIGHT ON THE SUBJECT – LETS HERE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT VACCINES AND I WILL DECIDE WHETHER YOU ARE A TROLL OR NOT

          • Kevin

            I am pro vaccine,does that make me a paid troll?

          • nworder

            YES – no normal person after studying the history of vaccines up to date would ever let some doctor give them a vaccine – so you are a troll – but this does not necessarily mean you get vaccinated – you get paid to get other suckers vaccinated
            However it would explain your sort of “unusual” mindset and sort of oddball look

          • Kevin

            So back to square one,I would like proof that I am paid,you are making that claim,prove it,oddball look? are you referring to my avatar? you ASSUME that is a picture of me,well it is not.So in your world,every pro vaccine person is a paid troll and looks oddball MMM very interesting.

          • nworder

            YOUR AVATAR LOOKS DIFFERENT FROM AL MATHER’S
            Extremely interesting my trolling friend – lol

          • Kevin

            Sorry I am not your friend

          • nworder

            Something woke him up again .

          • Kevin

            Just returned from two week vacation.If you had been following my posts you would have known that.

          • Ron Roy

            Kevin used to be Joe then Neil then he said ” he ” said his real name was Josephine. I keep telling him to take his meds and go back to bed.

          • AutismDadd

            You’re too nice.

          • Evidence that he’s being paid?

          • Kevin

            So Sherri Tenpenny doesn’t get paid?

          • BlessedtoServe

            I had a friend who had a pnuemonia vaccine at 48 years old, and in two days rushed to hospital and was then diagnosed with autism..from that point on….that was two years ago….

          • Kevin

            pnuemonia vaccine? that’s a new one.

          • nworder

            ITS A RUBBISH VACCINE WHICH KILLS PEOPLE
            YOU WILL NEED TO GO ON ANOTHER PHARMA TROLL COURSE.

            ” At times it is later revealed that vaccines are not even effective. For instance, pneumonia vaccinations for people over 65 are soon to be halted by the UK government, on the grounds that the injections do not save lives.

            Millions of people were injected with the vaccine, which was supposed to offer ten-year protection against an infection that causes pneumonia. But independent expert government advisors say the program has had ‘no discernible impact’ on rates of pneumococcal disease. According to the Daily Mail:VACCINE “

          • Kevin

            In a study including approximately 85,000 adults 65 years or older in the Netherlands, PCV13 was 75% effective at preventing invasive pneumococcal disease and 45% effective at preventing pneumococcal pneumonia caused by the serotypes included in the vaccine.Jun 19, 2015

          • nworder

            GET PNEUMONIA VACCINE AND GET PNEUMONIA
            WHAT IS THE STUDY OR IS IT AN ANECDOTE FROM A TROLL

            MERCOLA :-
            Bacterial Infections on the Rise Since Introduction of the Pneumonia Vaccine

            The IDSA report states:ii

            ” … both the prevalence of H. influenzae (40%– 45%) and proportion of b-lactamase–producing H. influenzae (37%–50%) (extrapolated from middle ear fluid cultures of children with acute otitis media) have markedly increased among other upper respiratory tract infections since the widespread use of conjugated pneumococcal vaccines… Whereas S. pneumoniae was more common than H. influenzae prior to 2000, the prevalence of H. influenzae has clearly increased while that of S. pneumoniae has decreased in the post–pneumococcal vaccine era, such that currently they are approximately equal … ”

            In the United States the Prevnar vaccine, which is used to prevent pneumoccocal disease that can cause meningitis and bloodstream infections in young children, was licensed in 2000 and has been given to infants in four shots between the age of 2 months and 15 months. The vaccine originally covered seven and now covers 13 of the 90-odd strains of the Streptococcus bacteria.

            Although pneumoccocal disease caused by seven pneumoccoal strains in the 7-valent Prevnar vaccine declined after widespread use, one pneumoccocal strain called 19A developed super resistance and is now causing pneumoccocal disease that is antibiotic-resistant.

          • FallsAngel

            There are two pneumonia vaccines for adults, both recommended for people over 65. That’s what makes Blessed’s story suspicious.

          • Kevin

            We live and we learn,thanks.

      • dougstir

        I’ll “get vaxxinated” ….when …..and if….. I want to!! I don’t need you fkn SnakeTurds to collude and slither around with the fkn guvmint and declare vaxxination war on me and the children. …….Fck off!

        • What vaccination war? Nobody is interested in forcing you.

          • dougstir

            What does “mandatory” mean when it is not forced on you? Am I conversing with troll-bot again?
            Message to the owner of this Nom Dumb Disqus troll-bot – get a better programmer!

          • No-one’s interested in mandatory vaccines either.

            They’re not forced on you.

            Choices have consequences, is all.

          • Kevin

            Where I live it is not mandatory, but the vaccination rate is 90% so I don’t think 90% can be wrong.