“Camping” on Your Own Land is Now Illegal — Gov’t Waging War on Off-Grid Living

off-grid-living-illegalBy Jay Syrmopoulos

Across the U.S., local zoning officials are making it increasingly difficult for people to go off the grid, in some instances threatening people with jail time for collecting rainwater or not hooking into local utilities.

As zoning laws have increasingly targeted the off-grid lifestyle, many have moved to the Southwestern U.S. as an escape from overzealous zoning officials.

In Costilla County, Colorado, there has been a major influx of off-grid residents to the San Luis Valley. The combination of lax zoning regulations, cheap property, and an already thriving community of self-reliant off-grid homesteaders has led to many new residents.


The off-grid lifestyle, enjoyed by an estimated 800 people, is now being threatened as county officials have recently made moves to essentially regulate and license the lifestyle into oblivion.

Tensions boiled over during a county commissioners’ meeting in San Louis, Colorado, devolving into a shouting match between homesteaders and police. One of the major points of contention is the county’s attempt to ban camping on your own property, in an effort to force the off-grid homesteaders back onto the grid.

“We are residents who have come to live off the grid. It’s all our land.” … “These are harsh economic times. We have nowhere to go,” twenty-year resident Paul Skinner said.

“We’ve been regulated out of life,” homesteader Robin Rutan told Colorado Public Radio. “I came here because I couldn’t live by the codes [in other regions].”

The county, which requires residents to have a camping permit to live in an RV, “small house” or other camp style home, has started to simply refuse the renewal of these permits.

This is obviously a major problem for homesteaders, who often live in such accommodations while building their permanent residents.

“They started enforcing the changes before they were actually made,” resident Chloe Everhart said.

Everhart said she performed due diligence prior to buying her land, with one of the most important aspects of the plan being a 90-day camping permit. Without a 90-day permit, camping on residential plots is only allowed for 14 days per every three months.

But just as Everhart was arriving, the board of commissioners instructed the planning and zoning commission to no longer issue camping permits.

In spite of her best efforts, Everhart is now an outlaw.

County land use administrator Matt Valdez disputes the claims that the county is trying to regulate people’s lifestyles out of existence. He says that his office has discretion to deny camping permits under existing code and claims that too many new residents were habitually renewing permits meant to be temporary.

“We’re not trying to drive people off their property,” Valdez said.

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Valdez said he simply wants to make sure already established rules are followed for aesthetic and safety reasons.

The vilification of people who choose to live an alternative lifestyle is extremely commonplace in modern America.

While there may be legitimate issues that need to be addressed, people have a right to use land that they own in the manner they see fit. To use the technicalities of the law to essentially evict people from land they own reeks of tyrannical overreach and oppression of personal liberty.

Jay Syrmopoulos is an investigative journalist, free thinker, researcher, and ardent opponent of authoritarianism. He is currently a graduate student at University of Denver pursuing a masters in Global Affairs. Jay’s work has been published on Ben Swann’s Truth in Media, Truth-Out, AlterNet, InfoWars, MintPressNews and many other sites. You can follow him on Twitter @sirmetropolis, on Facebook at Sir Metropolis and now on tsu

  • Texxtyn

    unbelievable. People being forced to live how “someone’ else decides concerning how they acquire water and power is obviously an attempt to deny people the right to live outside of corporate dictate. The US is no longer a democracy and this kind of thinking is a clear an indication that the major corporate entity run by the richest people on the planet will be served at the expense of everyone.

    • JW

      Unfortunately you are slightly incorrect. The US is a democracy! When 51% of the people tell the other 49% how they have to live, you have a democracy. The US is (supposed) to be a Constitutional Republic. Where if it isn’t in the constitution then they can not force you to obey it.

      • EnditsoonLORD

        Worse than that it is a representative democracy. It’s like dumb(democracy) and dumber(representative democracy).

      • Texxtyn

        The US is run by oligarchy. All the rest is a lie for children.

      • Teresa Geib Bacon

        the US is and always has been Socialism/Communism blended in connect dots and look history up. how do yu think bernie sanders got as far as he is

      • gary

        So just how did we get Gay rights laws when 78% of the U.S. was against it the laws…No we do not still live in a Democratic country…We do , however; live in a Socialist Democratic Party country…Thanks to the likes of Obama, Hillary, Bill, Bernie Sanders and the Socialistic Supreme Court…

    • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

      U.S. Gov. is also a private corporation, did you know that?

      • Texxtyn

        yep pretty obvious

  • ralbaii@aol.com

    DEFY these criminal rules and protect your neighbors from the code enforcers by any means necessary.

    • Most people would not have the courage to resist even if their own children were being raped to death right in front of them. You and I will never be free because far too many people in this world are natural born slaves. They will always be the majority. It’s not enough to kill the politicians and the enforcers, we actually need to kill all the sheeple FIRST because until we annihilate the slaves, the slavemasters will always have new soldiers to fight for them.

      • abinico

        Mama Banana – this is one of the most specious arguments I have ever heard against working people – good thing your arguments only resonates with a tiny delusional majority – working people see thru it before even finishing reading about it.

  • RattlerRider

    I guess folks should try and understand what is wrong with fee simple land “ownership” because the correct wording should say, Why you folks cannot camp on that land leased to you via fee simple tenant status only use. Means they own it. So how did they end up owning all of the land both public and private? Easy, they lied to you for over two hundred years. Read the Paris Treaty. Google James Montgomery, “America is still a British Colony”.. Why is it that even if you have the fee simple deed you’re still required to pay rent? And if you don’t have the rent money why is it they can throw you off “your” land in this “free” society?

    • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

      Yup, America is owned by The British Royal Crown of England!

      • RattlerRider

        Yes, and then when we go back around 1213 and review the succession of the British Empire by King John to the Pope we really have ourselves an eye opening moment.

  • David Armstrong

    This has been in effect for a long time already, especially here in Michigan. Townships don’t want property owners living cheap like in campers year-around. It depreciates property values for other landowners because it’s an “eye-soar.” Many Mexicans (migrant worker’s) coming up from Texas to Michigan live like this and it makes your country side look shabby. However, if a person wants to disconnect from the power company, they should have the right to do so…..

    • B-Free (NL)

      If the looks are somehow deemed more important than people having a place to live, they could make legislation that makes decent fencing mandatory.

  • This is how the libs care for the poor – kick them off their last asset, their land.

    • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

      Tent cities everywhere, in almost every city in the nation. Paid for with the money of working tax payers. And these people want to set regulations on personal property, determining how you must live? Maybe they should mind their own damn business.The law should protect all of the people……. not taking sides.

      • Anthony Hartman

        This is more about money grubbing utility companies, & politicians.. It’s also a way for people who are trying to find a way to kick people off their land so they can grab it..
        As with the heavy majority of policies.. All you have to do is follow the money..
        The town wants the fees they can collect from these people.. They want their land..
        And, i’d be interested to see exactly what kind of issues the county commissioners are talking about ..
        And, remember.. it was bush, who in America was the first to use the phrase, “New World Order”.. So, labeling it as a part of one or another ideology or another might be a bit of a stretch..

    • Richard Norgard

      I think you would find its not the libs doing this, but rather the opposite.

      • Well ok then, Statists of all stripes, on the so-called left (socialist/communist) and the so-called right (corporatist/fascist). There is very little difference between the two anyway, they both want to enslave us all under their form of collectivism.

  • Teresa Geib Bacon

    no taxes, money coming in? this is just wrong to me, IF these people dont pile up trash and crap, LEAVE THEM ALONE. Id be there but its to far to go!

  • Uncle_Meat

    They need an armed militia to defend their property. That is the only language these tyrants understand. Let’s see some cops or whoever go onto that property to enforce these illegal ordinances and let’s see who wants to die? The land owners have nothing left to lose so they won’t be backing down. Make it a huge standoff and bring in the news coverage to expose these scumbags. If they want to engage we’ll see a lot of dead cops.

  • Greg Straw

    Just ask them what facts they rely on to prove that there codes apply to YOU….They have none.

  • Grace Joubarne

    And so we see the UN’s Sustainable Development agenda at work. When are North Americans going to realize that the UN is the shadow government and it dances to the tune of the One World Order?

    Everything else and everyone else is window dressing. Why do you think we see all these false flag operations and a militarized police force? Democracy is just a word…to be interpreted now by One World Order measure..

    If you think this is bad, in Ontario, Canada, the government has put our health and very lives in the hands of a select few called Colleges…and they get to decide what healthcare treatments we can expect and when. Natural therapies, holistic education and even dietary advice is now a punishable offence. The #1 killer and disabler is now in charge of eliminating safe and effective ‘quacks’.

    We have all participated in our own demise by running to the big corporations, buying into their ‘convenience’, ‘protection’ and slick marketing schemes. We can turn the tide only when we stop buying junk food, backing down when conservation authorities and building code tyrants come-a-knocking, refusing to see conventional medical system tyrants and buying into the pill for everything story.

    • Deb

      Grace….you are a wise woman. I have Lyme disease and it has afforded me the time to do a lot of studying on the workings of the medical system, the government and big pharma …..and the dangers trusting them ….with anything. Herbs ,diet, simple remedies and lifestyle changes are the only thing that will actually cure any disease. Never poison. With Agenda 2030 and it’s un- population agenda… if people would wake up and realize what they were putting into & onto their bodies was killing them and start using natural God given herbs for their health then they might live….People are too busy to even care that the world is crumbling down around us and that we are complacent in “their” genocide of the human race.

    • Doug

      You are correct Grace. The bible talks about this in the book of Daniel. Have no fear though. God said it won’t work as iron and clay don’t mix, and that He Himself will destroy it.

    • Harold Smith

      The UN is not a “shadow government”. That distinction belongs to the Jewish collective. At best the UN is just another distraction, at worst it’s merely another tool being manipulated by same “people” that manipulate everything else.

    • They sell poison at a premium in shiny uniform boxes and say we’re crazy if we don’t want to buy it. Here’s an important bit of info, we are not engaged in commerce when we buy directly from each other. As Hippocrates said, “Let your food be your medicine”, and I will add, buy real food from real people…Even if we use fake money to do that, we are better off and those who grow real food are also better off.

      It’s a revolutionary act to pack your own lunch and the lunch of your children. Corporations are only interested in preserving their bottom line. We must be interested in preserving our very lives.

    • Randje K Randje

      Rise up. FEEL THE BERN

  • berrybestfarm

    I was served an order by a sheriff from the health officer a couple months ago–a family practice M.D. It ordered me to complete a septic system permit application and to pay the fee ($450) with the usual threats that I can be jailed for not complying. I’m not making this up folks. I have been threatened with jail if I do not give them hundreds of dollars. I’ve gone rounds with the county health district for the last 5 years. I have consistently refused to put in a septic system. I wont go into the evidence and research showing that the dry composting system I am using is the best system due to my proximity to wetlands and a shallow clay layer. It’s a 20 acre parcel, half wetlands half pasture. While I have access (even though rented out–good people) to the fully approved septic with RV port attached to the “modern” house I built under their codes and approvals, I’m not going there with them. The stakes are too high to take the easy out. Currently we are in a stalemate. I am not the property owner. I put the land into the Spokane Habitat Trust when I bought it 15 years ago, as listed on the county tax roll. I’m the trustee and get to use a small off-grid cabin for managing the property. I also finalized putting it back into land patent status and it has been filed as such on the deed in the auditor’s office for the last 3 years. I responded that I wasn’t the owner and not authorized to speak on their behalf but was compelled to respond since the order was to me. The application form (I didn’t use of course) is just about how the system will be designed so I did a single sentence under the heading “Application for septic permit per Health Department Order”. It reads “The proprietary practices within the patented boundaries of the parcel at issue and as approved for use by the Board of Directors of the property owner are proven effective to protect the public health and will continue.” Under the heading of “Payment of Septic Application Fee per Health Department Order” I wrote, “The value of my labor to respond to the order and threat issued in this matter pertaining to property I do not own is greater than the fee ordered to be paid therefore it is paid in full.” I ended with the parting shot that, given they have been harassing me for 5 years without a single shred of evidence I am threatening the public health–that they have now crossed the line to the criminal act of extortion. Failure to immediately cease and desist their harassment will result in criminal charges. The silence of their non-response has been deafening. You can be sure they’ll be back at some point.

    Cheers,

    Dennis Patterson–Stevens County Washington

    • gary

      Super job… Stay with it…

    • Doug

      Hello fellow Washingtonian, {Spokane}. I feel it necessary to warn you that under the EPA’s new water laws you might be in serious trouble. I hope that isn’t the case, but they passed these laws in accordance with agenda 21 for the sole purpose of stealing people’s private property. Good luck.

      • leo houtex

        EPA? That joke? The same EPA which thought warned went on and caused the release of MILLIONS of gallons of poison into the Animas river and has done NOTHING to correct it? The same EPA which promotes stealing our money for these idiotic wind [non]generators, which leak oil into the ground, give less than 3% of the power, disturb wind patterns and MURDER MILLIONS of birds a year? That epa? They can go fly a kite!!!

        • Doug

          Yeah, that EPA. You know the one obama will let get away with murder?

      • berrybestfarm

        It’s actually the county’s critical areas ordinance that is the problem. The county absolutely will not respect that we own the land and have since a decade before they passed their ordinance–we are grandfathered. I have friends who are dealing with the EPA rules to fence their cattle off from the spring on their land. They’ve given EPA the finger. So far so good

    • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

      When you think you bought the land, you didn’t. Corp. U.S. still owns it, so send the bills to them!

    • Mahatma Muhjesbude

      You are a true Great Amereican Patriot Hero, Dennis! They get away with this a lot these days because most people can’t afford or are too busy to fight them. One of the overlooked reasons for these new efforts to intrude upon people’s privacy and property is the fact that these mismanaged, greedy, feckless county and municipal ‘authorities’ are ‘dole drunk’ on our taxes and in incestual configuration, they are going broke just like the Fed G.

      Couple that with the insidious Agenda-21 plan and the modest private landowner is in for a long battle.

      You’re not hearing a peep out of them until they figure out how to sidestep you and put you back on the defensive. While you’re waiting, Gun up with a good lawyer with passion for such legal combat in preparation for at least an injunction, pending an outside analysis, but don’t be surprised if you don’t get it as there’s a lot of nepotism and ‘inbreeding’ in rural areas and the judge might also be part of it. Then the local news media might endorse the fight for ‘readership’ value and usually a municipal board doesn’t like the ‘publicity’ exposing their greedy harrassment motivations, and lastly you might have to initiate a State Class Action civil rights lawsuit if you can find anyone else with similar problems in your state.

      Thank you for your ‘civilian’ combat service!

    • jdennisg

      Admirable approach, I wish you all the best. It is a crime that people cannot actually own land…..but actually, nobody should own any land; it should be held in trust for those who can demonstrate good stewardship of it by keeping it free of chemicals. But the government should not have the power (or any incentive) to tell us what we can or cannot do, other than to regulate obvious, proven polluters. I’ll bet you could find any number of far more serious contamination issues in your political jurisdiction. Maybe you should try to overload them with legitimate things to fight so they leave you alone. Septic systems are not the best way to deal with human waste, either, especially when so much non-waste (gray water) is injected into the system unnecessarily.

    • Stipulate a reasonable time frame for response and hold their administrative (maritime) feet to the fire. If you don’t know your rights, you don’t have them. They are not granted by government, but by our Creator YHVH, and impinging upon them is coming against the Creator Himself.
      Might I add, good job!

    • Randje K Randje

      Well done. They are frightened of someone challenging their “authority” so you must be made an example. You blaze a trail for others to follow. KUDOS

  • gary

    Any sheriffs deputy that started telling people that they can’t camp on their own land probably won’t live to collect a pension… Valdez needs to go back to Mexico..

  • Badger Badgerism

    LOCK AND LOAD AND WHEN THEY ARRIVE TAKE THEM DOWN

  • Badger Badgerism

    MY LAND IS MY CASTLE……MY GUNS SAY SO

  • abinico

    Land ownership is a delusion. You never own the land, even if there is mortgage. It’s just a big scam by the bankers and government.

    • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

      Yeah, buy a house and ask the paperwork name you as the “Superior Owner” and not just a “Tennant” also ask for the original land deed…and they will freak out!

      • abinico

        Good point, but I really don’t think they’ll freak out – they’ll tell make it a court case.

        • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

          Courts have been usurped by British Admiralty Law of the Sea, instead of Natural / Common Laws. That’s why Judges, Attorneys, Prosecutors, Defense, etc. all must pass The BAR.

          • abinico

            Hey, I hear ya, and years ago I had my home’s deed worded in some way – don’t remember the details but we coincidently were sued over a land dispute, and the plaintiffs lawyer was totally flummoxed by the way all our property was held. He could do nothing, and never even told us what we did was wrong or illegal. So you can fight these people, and win, though it is in reality a major pain in the butt to title your property like that. One of the big hassles was finding insurance – insurance companies will just not deal with deeds held in a certain way. Bottom line is the powers at large do as they damn please.

          • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

            Yup, that’s because you don’t own the land / property.

  • Alleged Comment

    SORRY, but what your government is doing is ILLEGAL!

    You must warn them that they face TREASON. You must warn the communist running it and I don’t know what they are doing running it? Do you????

  • Doug

    God forbid if they ever catch someone pissing on a tree on their own property.

  • Doug

    That’s a valid point.

  • Harold Smith

    You obviously know nothing about the actual history of WW2, Hitler, the Jewish effort to subvert Germany, etc.
    Compared to mass-murdering monsters like Churchill and FDR, Hitler was a gentleman and a scholar.
    If Germany had won WW2, Jewish influence in Europe would’ve been eliminated and the world would not now be on the brink of WW3.

    • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

      Hitler’s only mistake was going after little Jews, instead of the big Jewry.

      • This view is too simplistic.
        The reality is more complicated.

    • Deborah Tucker

      Are you saying that its Jewish influence that is causing a inflict? The problem with Hitler? He wasn’t killed soon enough

      • “We shall start a spiritual and material war of the whole world against Germany. Germany is striving to become once again a great nation, and to recover her lost territories as well as her colonies. But our Jewish interests call for the complete destruction of Germany…” – Vladimir Jabotinsky, in Nascha Rjetsch (January, 1934)

        “Germany is getting too strong. We’ve got to smash her.” – Winston Churchill (1936)

        “We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not.” – Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast)

        “The prevailing financing system is no longer based on production capacity, and money as a mean of redistribution has become a commodity that can, like any other commodity, be bought and sold. Or, in other words: the disease that will cause the ruin of the world is called usury. France and England were allied to each other because both are built on the power of money and are under the domination of the international banking system. Germany has liberated herself from this international power and so becomes an object of suspicion. She is already working with the concept “value-labor” and that’s what we want to avoid at all costs. Already we are feverishly active in the destruction of this country. Financiers have nothing to lose in it and everything to gain.” – British General Fuller (1937)

        More quotes wanted ?

        • Deborah Tucker

          Vladimir Jabotinsky was a champion of Jewish people due to the horrid ways in which they were treated in that time. To take quotes out of context does not make these people responsible for the war. No one is is even allowed to deny the holocaust in Germany as it is against the law. No one can display the swastika as it too is against the law. It does not matter that symbol was not of hate until Hitler made it so. Hitler was an evil man that was himself of Jewish ancestry. Regardless the cause of the war, It can never be laid at the feet of Jewish people. These are a people who have been beaten down through history and have risen to the top every time. Just as Israel is a great nation, Jews are great people.

          • Randje K Randje

            You are a talented propaganda regurgitator sister. There are two sides to every story, and Israel (or at least it Zionist controllers) has now officially become what they claim to despise. Mass murderers. Putin will keep them in check in Syria for the time being.

          • Pam Dunn

            Thanks for your total moronic spew of idiocy; Had your head wedged between your butt cheeks very long?

          • Kleman

            Yes! By all means, attack the messenger, but don’t even attempt to try to prove them wrong…
            Do you realize how biased (and pointless) your insults read?

          • Marjie61

            have you forgotten how many innocent people America has and continues to SLAUGHTER?????

          • Slinky

            Holocaust great destruction and death due to fire…The great fires of London and Roman are examples. So I can be arrested and jailed for telling the truth and you thing it’s a great idea.

            The Jews never suffered a holocaust they where simply mass murdered along with a lot of other people. What not good enough for you pathetic lying pieces of crap, does not fit your pathetic fake victim scam

            Make the world a better place hang idiots like D. Tucker.

          • Christopher Marsh

            Being hurt is not an excuse to hurt others. Holocaust and what former President Jimmy Carter calls apartheid

        • Randje K Randje

          Excellent

        • organic girl

          Ten thumbs down for you.
          You need to take your quotes in context of post-WWI.

          • What ?????

            Economic warfare is good when it’s done by “our team” even though it’s no less criminal than when it’s done by the “other team” ?

            You must be a relativist/Communist, dandelion !

          • Slinky

            American, British, French, Jewish hypocrites their only ideology is ME ME ME.

          • organic girl

            Again, in plainer English,
            You need to review your quotes in the historical context in which they were originally delivered.
            Even plainer, study some true history.

          • “Germany is getting too strong. We’ve got to smash her.” – Winston Churchill (1936)

            “….The roots of war were envy, greed and fear.”- Major General J.F.C. Fuller, historian, England

            Is Churchill’s and Fuller’s English not plain enogh for you, girlie ?

        • John Mugge

          In the course of the 19th century the British changed their primary target from Russia to Germany. They fought Russia in the Crimea War, for instance, to prevent Russia from gaining access to the sea. Britain wanted to maintain their hegemony on trade, especially with India. But as Germany became an industrial giant they decided they wanted to isolate Germany. They did not want competition from Germany, whose industrial products could undersell those of Great Britain. They did what they could to oppose the railway from Berlin to Baghdad, for instance. They could have prevented WWI, but chose not to. They then, along with France, made sure the Treaty of Versailles imposed harsh measures on Germany, including steep reparation payments. And with Germany being stripped of all its assets and gold it could not pay the reparations, nor could it really operate in an international trade organization run by bankers and based on the gold standard. What Germany ended up doing was trading with countries to its east on what amounted to barter deals. This goes to the Fuller quote above. The trade and banking policies of the west isolated and impoverished Germany, and thus pushed them into a situation that Nazis were able to exploit. After WWII the same policies were aimed at Russia. Russia was to be isolated because they did not want to be exploited by western banking and trade practices.

        • Jacqueline Budd

          You need to worry about the country you live in and how they are taking our money and putting it in their pockets leave Germany out of this they have come a long way to be strong. Their people benefit from their government we don’t from our government wake up..

          • Your comment does not make much sense to me…….
            The U.S. is still Germany’s master. Don’t you know ?

      • Randje K Randje

        Hate to break it to you. He wasn’t killed at all. That story washed pretty well with post-WW2 sheep, (as did the news about Hiroshima that stories of civilians dying of radiation was all propaganda) but there is OVERWHELMING evidence come to light that he went to Argentina with a whole lot of other high-ranking nazis to live out his remaining days peacefully. The corpses left behind were substitutes (not very good ones), but the allies were not going to admit he got away, it made them look pretty bad. Research it yourself if you like.

        • Joe Blow

          I just wanted to corroborate your statement by adding that Hitler’s skull was tested & found out to be that of a 20 something year old woman. I strongly suggest that those interested in the truth watch a documentary made by a David Cole. A JEWISH investigator that investigated Auschwitz. And for those that don’t like the “flavor” or tone of that statement, check out the latest plaque at Auschwitz. In the 1950’s it was 4.2 million killed. 30 years later it dropped to 1.5 million, and today stands at just under 900K. (That’s what the official plaque says, not some conspiracy theory-tard. You ppl can google that for yourselves) So where did the other 3 million dead Jews go? And for those that wanna twist my statement by pointing out what a “racist” I am for flying the conf. flag, this is just a protest for those FB rainbow flag ppl that think the SCOTUS making the other 14 states capitulate through tyranny a “great idea” vis a vis gay marriage.

        • peteserb

          What planet are you from?

          • saul

            Earth

        • FuccTheCops

          FBI admits Hitler went to Argentina. Ironically, The Simpsons had an episode showing this.

      • Christopher Marsh

        Not for lack of trying. Such as seen on PBS Struggles for Poland. And of course, Valkyrie, Tom Cruise, based on true story of von Stauffenberg

      • Sparky McBiff

        Hitler was never “killed”.
        Nor did he commit suicide.
        He escaped and lived to be a ripe old age.

        But of course in your world if something is not reported by the corporate media then it does not exist in reality.

        • Deborah Tucker

          Hey idiot, that would make me a democrat. I’m far from being one of those. I don’t t care if Hitler survived, cause he would have lived in fear till he died. I do my own research, why don’t you try that before accusing someone of being a media hound

    • antilib

      Explain, O’ Pompous One, just how Churchill and Roosevelt were the mass-murderers. The murderers were Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. You must be a communist to defend the likes of those killers. What a baffoon. Read a book written by someone other than Alynski.

      • “You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest.” – Winston Churchill (1940)

        Ever heard of carpet-bombing of civilians in WW2 ?

      • Slinky

        Churchill ran the British empire the largest empire on the planet ever. The Brits formed it and maintained through mass murder. Concentration/extermination camps where a British invention first use in South Africa to get rid of the Dutch settlers.
        America has been mass murdering people since it was formed and has not slowed down since.

        Do not bother to research it you are obviously brain dead and like it that way.

      • Michael Stones

        And I suppose benny nuttyahoo is a saint along with bush and blair?? too much Foux News I think, and as a matter of record the American administration is the number one terrorist regime on the planet

        • antilib

          Referring to the current administration, I tend to agree with you. They are definitely committing terrorism against the American people.

      • zombiekiller117

        Deliberately incinerating civilians at non military targets such as Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Dresden and Hamburg show that Roosevelt and Churchill were mass murderers, SILLY

        • antilib

          Roosevelt was dead and Churchill never had one to use. That would be Harry Truman, Sillier.

          • zombiekiller117

            Dresden was firebombed on Roosevelt’s watch, along with Churchill and the US and British bomber crews involved he bears responsibility for the deaths of all those incinerated civilians, and for all the other German cities targeted under the campaign of terror bombing. My point still stands.

          • antilib

            The Blitz. Buzz Bombz. V-1s & V-2s. Germany and Japan started the carnage before we or the Brits ever got involved. You’ll just spew whatever it takes to attempt to put the USA in a bad light. An obvious liberal nut-job..

          • zombiekiller117

            I don’t need to try to put USA in a bad light. The fact you’re trying to justify the terror bombing of non military civilian targets for the sole purpose of incinerating women, little kids and the elderly puts USA in a worse light than I ever could.

          • antilib

            Stalin and Hitler killed 40,000,000 people. But that’s okay for lefty-loons. Go away.

    • Gary Nobles

      you are one of the most ignorant people I have ever heard open their mouth.

      • But you lack knowledge. Simple.

        • Pam Dunn

          NO, e just don’t believe in rolling in BULLSHYTE like you obviously loved to do.

      • Harold Smith

        Coming from you, Judenfilth, that’s a nice compliment. Thanks.

    • Germany had no chance !
      From the start.
      No oil – no fuel.
      No fuel – no way to win a modern war.

      Everyone knew that. EVERYONE who was in power.
      Then why falling into an obvious trap in Poland ?!

      • Harold Smith

        Yes, Germany did have a chance. Germany could’ve won the war if not for Hitler’s “blunder” in allowing the escape of the enemy’s army trapped at Dunkirk, for example.

        • No.
          Harold, your hope has no basis in reality…. unfortunately.

          • Harold Smith

            Well it’s your own personal fantasy so I guess you can have it any way you want it; knock your socks off, Shlomo.

          • I thought you are a bit smarter than that, Harold……
            Read Guderian !
            And learn.

          • Harold Smith

            You wouldn’t know “thought” if your boyfriend shoved it up your ample @ss, goofball.

          • Pam Dunn

            Why read propaganda and blatant stupidity written for morons like YOU to suck up.

        • Slinky

          That was only the first mistake. Failing to pause the war and develop long range bombers and fighters to finish off the Brits was #2. Failing to finish the European, African and Middle east zones of conflict was #3. The final grand bit of stupid was invading Russia and not having the men, equipment and knowledge needed to finish the job.

          The West did not win Hitler gave it to them, if he really did survive the war and die in South America everything makes sense. Hitler was an agent of the west.

    • KayO

      Lay off the sauce and the dope!

  • Dave Mende

    Police cannot enter private property without owner’s permission. Building codes cannot prevent sleeping in a van: Can they?

  • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

    When you think you buy land / property you are just a tenant, and not the superior owner.

  • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

    And more dead after the collapse.

  • How Not To Play The Game

    …………just go to the Denver airport and look at the artwork. Any government or bureaucracy that would put creepy stuff like that on public display certainly isn’t looking out for the public’s best interest. That’s how fascists roll. They own your government and sent us the bill. Not a bad gig if you don’t have a conscience.

  • Dana Webb

    Kind makes you wonder if they really own the land.

  • Fred_K

    This is typical of all governments. They are run by petty tyrants, and they want to tell you how they want you to live. They will use all of the force they have available to force you to obey their contrived laws. The idea is to get as much of your money as possible, and make you jump through the hoops they have arranged. Get your people elected, and change the laws.

  • Steven Swanson

    F*ck Them ! ! !

  • mike

    When Obumo pays my mortgage and all of my utilities I won’t camp off the grid I’ll be able to afford a roof over my head just saying He has no right to tell a property owner what they can or cannot do. This is still America I hope

  • william g munson

    Are the Law makers crazy that you have a permit to camp or live on your property which you have already paid taxes on the need to be recalled period

  • Mahatma Muhjesbude

    Get up a few bucks from all the ‘campers’ and put a retainer down to sue the county for millions in actual damages including psychological stress, etc. Make it a Constitutional class action suit and go and set up a website for donations and i’ll be the first to throw in a couple hundred bucks. This is happening all over the country as greeedy small rural municipalites and their town/county boards see ‘revenue’ stars in their eyes so that they could support their freeloading butt-buddies and feckless parasite progeny and inlaws on the tax-payer dole. They also make these ‘No small trailers’ allowed or make a minimum square footage (usually over a thousand) requirement JUST so they can increase the property taxes they collect!

    It’s time for all self reliant value producers to fight back where they hate it the most. Sue them back to the stone age, and register to vote in your respective county and use that as leverage.

  • snowyriver

    It Is all part of the fundamentally change American. I remember that campaign promise.
    What I want to know is if you or I knew of someone planning to commit murder and they did it.. Well if the courts found out you knew you are considered an accomplice same as if you were there assisting. Now here is the kicker. Obama received and rejected a report that Christopher Mercer was on a suspected terrorist list. Does this make Obama an accomplice?

  • Defiant

    If you’re “off the grid” then they can’t monitor you. That’s their problem. Too bad for them. Let them come find you.

  • GA Patriot

    Vote for Democrats, this is what you get.

  • ONTIME

    Some folks camp year round on public and private land and nothing is said, all of a sudden your home away from home is a non occupyable area…If it’s not a provable heath risk, the gov needs to stay out of this….

  • “We made a monster, a devil out of Hitler. Therefore we couldn’t disavow it after the war. After all, we mobilized the masses against the devil himself. So we were forced to play our part in this diabolic scenario after the war. In no way we could have pointed out to our people that the war only was an economic preventive measure.” – US foreign minister Baker (1992)

    “Not the political doctrine of Hitler has hurled us into this war. The reason was the success of his increase in building a new economy. The roots of war were envy, greed and fear.”-Major General J.F.C. Fuller, historian, England

  • SBMUTAH

    Real simple! VOTE the liberal control freaks out of office, then change the laws that are being used for tyranny!

  • GeorgeWiseman

    Why not form a cooperative and move from property to property every 2 weeks.
    So you (and your friends) would be camping only two weeks on any given spot. Then you’d be within the laws (as they exist now) and wouldn’t need a permit. You’d always have a place to go and could help each other develop your properties. Then work on getting the laws changed…

  • PaulfromTexas

    It is time for everyone to ask every state legislature to consider rescinding their state’s ratification of the 16th amendment.This government of lawyers and extraneous laws can only be strangled at the pursestrings.

  • antilib

    You may be interested in some land I have…..

  • antilib

    Wait, I know. You found it on the internet, so it MUST be true.

  • Yes, somehow the comments drifted to this 🙂

  • ymarsakar

    The British loyalists in the Colonies were exiled to Canada. Where are you going to exile the anti patriots in America… Mexico?

    They have 30 million fake votes ready to go. And immigrant populations that are non citizen are counted in the census, giving California and other Democrat states more electoral votes and seats, just as the Southern Democrats did with slavery.

    So is the Constitution going to allow you to outvote those 30 million on top of the electoral college rigging? The popular votes for Presidencies were quite even as far as I knew. 30 million one way or another will seal the deal.

  • organic girl

    Amish would have a heck of a time living there.

  • Pam Dunn

    YES< YES, FITS you quite well.

    • Is this face of the avatar your real face ?

  • peteserb

    This is another example of politics run amuck. All these political idiots should be run out of office. Then sent to live with other democrats.

  • David

    Too many were renewing permits that were meant to be temporary?

    Where does it say in the law that they were meant to be temporary?

  • Antony N Jilly

    What will they do to the Amish they are not all hooked up are they?
    ~Jilly

  • LaRae Bailey

    GOVERNMENT OVER REACH IS ALSO GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION….IN NO WAY WHAT SO EVER SHOULD ANY AGENCY BE ALLOWED TO DICTATE ANY USE OF YOUR PROPERTY…IF WE CHOOSE TO LIVE THERE NAKED IN COMMUNES IN TENTS IT SHOULD BE NOBODYS BUSINESS…PERIOD

  • Christopher Marsh

    This was a free country…

    Lots of men and women braver than I fought for it

  • Laura M Colon

    Wow these days it’s hard for Americans to make a living but the refugees are staying in 4 and 5 star hotels in Nashville and other states they get money for everything and this is fair? I was going to take my child off grid to give her a sense of morals and appreciation but it seems any way we turn we are being victimized!

  • Mike Lashewitz

    The cure is having the ALLOIDAL Title. Learn it and use it.

  • zombiekiller117

    Still reciting 70 year old wartime propaganda ? The problem with USA is people like you who unquestionably recite what the establishment lets you recite. USA USA USA USA !

  • Jean-Louis

    The next time someone asks who is responsible for the status quo, ask yourself if such draconian laws are passed by the 1%, or the 99%…. So the next time someone complains about the 1%, which group should the complaints be aimed at?

  • Jean-Louis

    My comments were made regarding the thread in which living off the grid in some places has been made illegal. And so if i’m not in the right area just ignore.

  • wotan237 .

    i think you buy too much into the victors version of things…..stop watching the History Channel lies…..

  • wotan237 .

    Oh my God “general plan ost” are you crazy ? Such a goofy fraud. I’m sorry you lost relatives but in 1939 no one says there was any exterminations as such going on in 1939. They died from the privations of war, similar to the one million German women and children who were roasted alive by Allied bombers- after the Allies had a clear advantage and were winning the war.. i e they were murdered for spite.

  • Sparky McBiff

    The claims of the local tyrannical code enforcers that they are just trying to enforce the rules (which are always for our “safety” of course) is no different than other tyrants throughout history who claim that they were “just following orders”.

  • John Mugge

    Oil was a big reason for the Iraq war. Other war profiteers benefited as well. And after the cold war the US military needed another enemy, so they created a War on Terror. War feeds the military industrial complex.

    • wotan237 .

      Yes, there are overlapping interests. But eliminating an existential threat to Israel was key.

      • John Mugge

        The Iraqi war was not a defensive war, it was an offensive war. Israel has been involved in expansionism ever since its inception. The US, too, engages in offensive wars. The US has not been involved in a defensive war since WWII, and that one is debatable. All rationales given for wars amount to a hill of beans. Wars are based on lies. One needs to come to recognize rhetoric for what it is, and also propaganda for what it is.

        • wotan237 .

          I agree with you, Israel is just violently squatting on Palestine, and then they cajole us into fighting their wars. WW2 was a bad war, the US should have stayed out, and same goes for WW1.

  • John Mugge

    Thanks. I’ll take a look.

  • Deborah Tucker

    The Palestinians are mostly Hamas as in terrorist. I feel no sadness when one is blown to bits

  • Deborah Tucker

    Oh bullcrap! Israel is and always will be supported by those who believe. I for one will stand for Israel and will support Israel

    • John Mugge

      You are sadly ignorant.

      • Jacqueline Budd

        agree

  • Deborah Tucker

    Hitler had to be stopped. Period

  • Micky McFloyd

    Deprivation of rights under color of law is a crime. Perjury of oath is a crime. All state official without the delegated authority to assault you on your private land without a court order makes them liable for damages in their personal capacity. Learn the law and file a lawsuit. Get help. They are always acting in fraud when coming after your rights. Get help. Do the research.

  • Jacqueline Budd

    True

  • Cindy Appel

    This is why folks really have got to put a stop to government having so much say in our lives. There is always a price to pay.

  • JenellYB

    I guess living here in Texas I hadn’t realized this was a problem in some states. You don’t need a permit to camp on your own land here, unless you are in a deed restricted subdivision, which would be foolish to have bought land there if you want to camp.

  • Sharon Karpinski

    What’s interesting here is that the San Luis Valley was traditionally off-grid and not by choice. The original settlers were Hispanic farmers far from any amenities like electricity and plumbing. As late as the 1950s, kerosene lamps, and outhouses were pretty common.

  • anotherj

  • Trevor Vandenberg

    we are having the same problem in australia

  • That’s fine as far as public school History goes, but it conveniently leaves out the part that BOTH World Wars were quite literally planned and orchestrated behind the scenes in advance by globalist bankers and financiers who controlled nations and heads of state through fiscal policy and steered them like little cars into the great existential threat of our age.

    • rjrollins

      You just repeated what I said in a different way. Public school history book? Find a history high school history book that identifies bankers being involved in funding Germany’s economic revitalization and Hilter’s military might. “Conveniently left out”? So original, can I steal it? I wasn’t writing a dissertation. You just like to argue don’t you? Make your self seem smarter I suppose

      • Repeated what you said in a different way? LOL, not hardly, kid. Look, if you’re gonna go around using Historical examples to prove your points, you should at least get the History RIGHT and not just repeat pop History talking points for kids that you got brainwashed with in your Rockefeller-Foundation-approved school curriculum. The Treaty of Versailles was a dog and pony show. Both World Wars were planned over two decades in advance and outlined in secret treaties between all the heads of state of belligerent nations, who you’ll remember, were all cousins. The very fact that you even mentioned the Treaty of Versailles shows you have memorized a fictional History that was meant for plebs. I’m not trying to “show you up,” I’m encouraging you to go digging way, way deeper.

  • Mark Opie

    DISOBEY – this is a clearly a step to far against COMMON LAW – our government representatives are now too corrupted by big money to serve WE THE PEOPLE and our interests – their instructions are now invalid – If the rich and their filth want a fight they can have one – THIS IS WAR

  • Shayla Urban

    I hope Matt Valdez loses his office entirely. He has overstepped his bounds! What the f*ck ever happened to the right to life, liberty , and the pursuit of happiness? Is that only if it’s aesthetically pleasing to others? If they don’t like it don’t look at it. Land is meant for freedom! So why don’t we just make everything aesthetically pleasing at the expense of freedom and live in a cookie cutter paradise where we can all the same, talk the same, live in the same houses (with four variants in the color of the paint) and sing Hail Hitler every f*cking day! This really pisses me off!

  • Earl Wyatt

    Actually John the Germans suffered unspeakably at the hands of the Zionist banks which is what drove the Germans wholesale towards National Socialism. The “Israelis” are merely doing overtly what they have done covertly as the “Hidden Hand” that Benjamin Disraeli and many of the US Founding Fathers pointed out. The Germans were merely sick of being enslaved by the banks and globalists through the Weimar regime. Hitler turned Germany around and ousted the Zionists and returned Grmany to wealth, a situation completely unacceptable to the banks and economic powerhouse that were bleeding Germany to death through the treaty of Versailles.

    A situation we are now seeing recur on a global scale and guess what? The whole western world is rebelling against the chaos funding banking/ political class. There is a world wide surge to nationalism.

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