Saturday, July 16, 2011

Should We Bother to Vote When Revolution Is Inevitable?

"Even supposing the chief good to be eventually the aim for the individual as for the state, that of the state is evidently of greater and more fundamental importance both to attain and to preserve. The securing of one individual's good is cause for rejoicing, but to secure the good of a nation or of a city-state is nobler and more divine." --Aristotle

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It should be kept in mind that the words nation or city-state may very easily be replaced by tribe, family, society, civilization or species.

"Whenever the people are well informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights." -- Thomas Jefferson in a Letter to Richard Price (8, January, 1789)

The American working class is on the brink of extinction. A strong, financially secure, educated, informed and cosmopolitan middle class is a serious threat to tyranny and totalitarianism. That's why there has been a vigorous, systematic dismantling of ours since the Nixon era.

That's not to say that efforts toward that end were not made prior to Nixon, but that those efforts were redoubled and became more obvious, even to the casual observer, at that time. Does your vote matter?

"The United States has only one party - the property party. It's the party of big corporations, the party of money. It has two right wings; one is Democrat and the other is Republican." -- Gore Vidal

The entire menagerie of the political, with a couple of impotent exceptions, is a zoo of corporatist oligarchs. Their only real interest is self.

The Republicans are brutal, violent and cruel. They'll cut us up with a chain saw.

The Democrats are utterly corrupt, duplicitous and cynical. They'll use a scalpel.

The Democrats; Jim Jones.

The Republicans; Vlad the Impaler.

Will The Revolution Be Televised?
I don't think that the sabotage of systems inherently destructive to Life can fairly be classified as violence, so long as those actions don't directly cause preventable injury or death. Actually, I think it qualifies as self-defense.

Even if such action causes short-term hardship, I don't think it can or should be categorized as violence per se.

Where's the Rubicon?
At some point, and it's probably not too far off, a majority of people will reach that limit beyond which they cannot be pushed. Massive, prolonged demonstrations and significant acts of civil disobedience will become regular, daily occurrences.

Such disobedience may, and I think should, include the sabotage and neutralization of certain systems and institutions. It is absolutely essential, however, that such activity must stop short of violence.

If The People are careful not to cross the line into armed insurrection while engaging in sustained, nation-wide, peaceful revolution, they place the ostensible government in an awkward position; choose to submit to the will of the people or use force in the violent suppression of massive numbers of citizens engaging in their first amendment right to peaceably assemble and petition for a governmental redress of grievances.

If the latter course is followed, the hypocrisy and tyrannical nature of the American police state becomes impossible to ignore, even for the closest of allies. Would the UN then be forced to take action against the US? Would sanctions be imposed, a NATO peace-keeping force sent to restore order?

A revolution is coming. The only questions are; exactly when, and will it be peaceful or bloody? These questions then become a point for consideration in the coming elections.

Does your vote matter?
If a sustained, peaceful, national uprising doesn't begin in earnest before November, 2012, which party would most likely respond to one after the election with tactics of shock and awe and full spectrum dominance?

Corrupt, deceitful and irresolute Democrats. Ignorant and reactionary Republicans.

"Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary." -- Mahatma Gandhi

A non-violent revolution could ultimately transform our government into one that does in fact work to establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.

Actually, it's the only thing that will. A violent, bloody uprising, even if successful, will simply perpetuate the cycle of human suffering our species has been locked into for millennia. Witness what has become of the American republic, born of violence, turned to empire by genocide, covert conquest and ruthless exploitation.

However well intentioned the leaders who plant and cultivate the seed of bloody revolution, the tree that grows from it, spawned of violence and death, will inevitably spread identical seeds of its own.

When two forces oppose each other violently, there can be no winner. When the killing is paused, when one violent agent declares victory over the other, what remains is what was there before the killing began.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- President John F. Kennedy

Does your vote matter?

When it finally comes, against which half of the corporate money party will a nonviolent revolution stand a better chance?

What does matter?

Will we even rise up for the best of reasons or do we simply wish to become the cause for the next revolution?

Can we admit that our non-negotiable lifestyle is the problem, not the solution?

Do we yet understand, despite the efforts of parasitic profit worshipers to make it so, that welfare is not a four letter word?

Are we yet capable of doing any more than replacing one evil with another?

"Listen. Your friends have been broken. They tell us of your poison. Now we know." -- Jon Anderson, YES, Relayer, The Gates of Delirium.

What is the poison?
Those who take unearned wealth by manipulating the perception of the mythical value of shiny metal and fraudulently commodified paper are the real drain on human society.

Those who only take, who produce nothing of value but instead create war, destruction and endless debt are the cause for revolution.

It is from these very people, or at least their minions, we are expected to elect our government, our leaders.

These are the parasites, leeches and free-loaders; not the elderly, poor, jobless, crippled, ill and homeless who are, in fact, their victims.

Shall we do unto them as they have done and become as they are?

It's not up to me to answer any of these questions for you. I was just wondering.

Let the Revolution Begin.

"There is no way to Peace. Peace is the way." -- A.J. Muste

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Richard William Posner said...

Let the revolution begin.

m_astera said...


Spare us, please, the quotes from the elite tool Gandhi that you have been programmed with by the mainstream.

There will be no revolution in the USA, violent or peaceful. The American people are fully and completely terrified of any authority figure and will do nothing, not even when they are starving and jostling for a dry place to sleep under a bridge, long after their guns have been taken. When the buses come to take them to the camps they will willingly pile on, for the promise of a meal and security. And don't forget your mandatory vaccination.

The future of the USA is quite clear: Simply look at the trajectory of the last thirty years.

Ben Steinke said...

Well, that's what all the tyrants in history who have been overthrown thought---that the people would do nothing. Nicolae Ceaucescu thought the Romanian people would remain silent, then they shot his ass! That's what Hosni Mubarak thought, and they three his ass out! That's what the bankers in Iceland thought, until the people threw their asses in jail! It WILL happen---it is simply a matter of when.

Richard William Posner said...

@ m_astera

Your concepts of "mainstream" and "elite" are interesting.

You may be correct in your assumptions. In my opinion, you are not.

I hope President Chavez is responding well to his treatments.


Richard William Posner said...

@ Ben Steinke

I think this may be what you're trying to say;

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall.. think of it, always."
Mahatma Gandhi

Anonymous said...

Vote with your money. Nothing else matters. Stop paying all credit cards to the big banks until they are brought to justice and the CEOs in prison. No this is not hyperbole or a joke. Am quite serious.

m_astera said...

Well let's see. Gandhi, MLK jr, the Dalai Lama. Did I miss anyone that you have been sold in the package deal to convince you that non-violence is the only answer?

Funny that the parasite elite don't use that method much themselves, unless they set it up themselves for ends of which they approve. They surely do like it that those who oppose them have been brainwashed into thinking it's the only answer though.

You support Marxist military dictators too? How consistent. Perhaps you'd better stick with a country you know a little bit about.

Yes, the tyrants always fall. So do the good guys. Your point?

Richard William Posner said...

@ m_astera

Your hostility is saddening and unnecessary and makes any chance at useful dialogue impossible.

With might-makes-right there is no point to be made. When you choose to be a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You seem to be a believer and ideologues are beyond reason.

I can just as easily pronounce it is you that has been indoctrinated and "sold" a bill of goods. The belief you have been conditioned to accept, I simply rejected.

I know next to nothing about Marx. Have yet to read his work.

Your eagerness to resort to violence doesn't seem to be reflected on The New Agriculture.

Perhaps you should stick to farming.

I'm sorry I lack the knowledge to engage in discussions of that subject. They might prove more positive.

We have made different choices and that's all there is to it. Agree to disagree and be done with it.

So, let everyone fall then. All things must pass.

Richard William Posner said...

@ Vote with your money.

I have no credit cards or bank accounts. I have no outstanding loans and do not seek "credit", which actually means debt.

I prefer to pay cash for what I need and not buy anything I don't.

Anonymous said...

Revolution is coming mid to late August this year. Notice how every story on CNN, Fox, etc. is Casey Anthony even after it is a non-story! The alternative economic, political, and environmental news is so bad they must keep us engrossed in this personal horror story so our mind do not erupt in rage from the totality of it all. Be prepared because as things heat up further and hunger and degradation peak the resistance will begin and will get very ugly quickly. I predict the SHTF fan first in the Southeast, then the Midwest, and will go national once the rest of us see we are missing out on a chance to stick it to the man. It is a national shame it has come to this point, but greed had reared its ugly had and pushed all except a tiny elite to starve and face homelessness. There will be no mercy for anyone so all with any courage left should make their last stand count.

Anonymous said...

"Hitler killed five million Jews. It is the greatest crime of our time. But the Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher's knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs." -- Mahatma Gandhi

"I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions. If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourselves, man, woman and child to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them." -- Mahatma Gandhi

The pacifist has always been and will always be the tyrants best friend. How they must laugh themselves stupid each night at the gullibility of people.

The man who gives his all to fight for what is right and those he loves; Who refuses to back down despite the odds no matter the cost. He is the trouble making coward.

The man curls up and meekly submits to death without so much as a whimper is brave and noble.

When I die I'm going to ask whatever powers that be what I did to deserve to be born into such a lunatic nation.

"A violent, bloody uprising, even if successful, will simply perpetuate the cycle of human suffering our species has been locked into for millennia."

Really, Finland (who fought several bitter wars to repulse Soviet aggression after casting of the Czar's chains in a violent uprising) is an oppressive war mongering dictatorship? Who knew?

m_astera said...


It's good that you have withdrawn your support as much as possible from the corporate government machine, but can be counterproductive if it disables you from functioning.

I do not advocate violence, nor do I condemn it. Self-defense and protection of one's territory and relations is natural; look at Nature.

The non-violent protests led by Gandhi and MLK were successful because they fit the agenda of the parasite controllers; ditto for the Vietnam war protests. Among other bits of useful programming, they convinced a couple of generations of people that non-violent protest was effective, and the only allowable course of action. Have you noticed that since the Vietnam era all protests in the US have either been ignored, mocked, infiltrated by provocateurs, or smashed by the government?

In March 2005 up to half a million people went to DC to protest the Iraq war. The media completely ignored them, as did Congress, who focused on steroids in baseball instead.

Have you noticed the "free speech zones"? How about the people arrested and having their computers seized for even planning non-violent demonstrations? They don't and won't work these days unless the parasites want them to accomplish something, as in Egypt.

Forget protesting and civil disobedience, it's not working and won't work.

The point I'm trying to make is that non-violent civil disobedience by large masses for a day or a week is no longer effective, if it ever was. An organized rebellion with leaders and soldiers is likely to be ineffective as well. I suggest that we need a leaderless rebellion, and that the most effective method is sabotage by individuals of whatever they can get at locally that will slow or break the juggernaut of repression. Our enemies WILL NOT quit until they either have us dead, imprisoned, or enslaved. All protest does, at best, is deter them momentarily.

Whether you feel morally vindicated by non-violence is meaningless if it accomplishes nothing long term.

Richard William Posner said...

My final comment to the warriors;

If we can't live in Peace, we don't deserve to live at all.

So, if violence and war is always our final solution, let Homo sapiens join the dinosaurs and all the other failed evolutionary experiments in extinction.

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