Top Ten Conspiracy Theories That Turned FACT in 2017

By Matt Agorist

In 2013, Professor Lance Dehaven-Smith—in a peer-reviewed book published by the University of Texas Press—showed that the term “conspiracy theory” was developed by the CIA as a means of undercutting critics of the Warren Commission’s report that President Kennedy was killed by Oswald. The use of this term was heavily promoted in the media by the CIA. And—up until recently—it has served its purpose.

Now, however, in 2017, those who were once called “conspiracy theorists” are being vindicated as they watched instance after instance get exposed all year long. To be clear, we are not talking about outlandish, unprovable, and off the wall theories that completely lack evidence. We are talking about well-researched cases that were deliberately dismissed and ridiculed by the mainstream as a means of oppressing the information and protecting the establishment.

Ironically enough, 2017 is the year the conspiracy theorists were proven right as the mainstream media and government began pushing wild conspiracy theories without evidence to back them up.

To show just how vindicated the well-informed are, below is a list of the top 10 conspiracy theories that were proven as real in 2017.

1. Hollywood and the political elite have been exposed for their rampant and horrifying sex abuse against men, women, and children alike

Just last year, as good people tried to point out that although Pizzagate may not have taken place in some restaurant in DC, the idea of sex abuse among the elite was no laughing matter. However, anyone who mentioned sex abuse among the elite was scoffed at and ridiculed by those in the mainstream.

This ridicule was in spite of the fact that the former speaker of the house admitted to raping multiple little boys and was sentenced to prison last year. This ridicule was also in spite of the fact that whistleblowers have been shouting from the mountain tops about the rampant abuse—for decades—only to have their cries fall on deaf ears.

This year, however, it was different. With Harvey Weinstein as the catalyst, former victims came forward and began publicly naming their abusers and even getting the police involved. The American people also learned that their ostensible representation in D.C. was spending millions to silence the victims of their apparent uncontrollable sex abuse.

No longer will companies like Disney be able to hire convicted pedophiles as the world looks the other way—nor will sicko politicians be allowed the immunity to rape and pillage as they see fit. 2017 will be known as the year the victims fought back.

2. Weather modification just jumped from “chemtrail” conspiracy theory into mainstream reality, as Congress began holding hearings on geoengineering

Geoengineering is finally going mainstream as the U.S. House Subcommittee on Environment and Subcommittee on Energy Hearing, in November, held the first House hearing about the science that until now has generally been considered a “conspiracy theory” and relegated to the fringes of society by the Praetorian Guard mainstream media — controlled by the ruling power-elite oligarchy.

The controversial subject of climate engineering or weather modification – which was popularized, and oversimplified with the term “chem-trails” – is stepping from the shadows and into the light of public scrutiny for the first time.

The congressional hearing, titled “Geoengineering: Innovation, Research, and Technology,” was attended by members of the House committees as well as representatives of think tanks, academics, and researcher scientists to discuss the future of geoengineering research.

During the first hearing, the potential need to set up a regulatory structure within which experiments would be allowed, at a set scale, was discussed. Now, those who deny the fact that government is involved in geoengineering will be the conspiracy theorists.

3. 20,000 documents were released in August proving the EPA conspired with chemical companies to unleash deadly toxic substances on the public

Highly toxic chemical compounds made by Dow, Monsanto, DuPont and other companies were being developed and marketed in ever greater quantities, and federal agencies were rubber-stamping their approval based on fraudulent safety testing.

The Poison Papers reveal that, instead of acting to protect the public and reassess the chemicals, EPA held a secret meeting with chemical companies to assure them that their products would continue being sold.

The secret meeting between EPA and chemical companies is the most poignant example of a long history of collusion at the expense of human and environmental health.

4. US media giant Sally Quinn admitted she practiced the occult to murder people—and she was praised for it

Although her husband Ben Bradlee died in 2014—who was good friends with former President John F. Kennedy, and executive editor of the Washington Post from 1968 to 1991—Quinn has since taken the time to give insight into the glamorous life lived by the media’s royal couple. Some of the practices she describes are ones that would normally be written off as crazy conspiracy theories by outlets such as their beloved Washington Post.

However, WaPost actually praised it.

In her latest publication titled, Finding Magic: A Spiritual MemoirQuinn reveals that she believes she has killed at least three people in her lifetime. She claims that while she did not harm anyone physically, she believes strongly in the occult, and has used hexes on people who got on her bad side.


5. Mainstream media finally admitted the United States has been aiding terrorists in Syria

In November, the BBC released a bombshell report confirming that the US and Syrian Defense Forces knowingly aided thousands of ISIS fighters.

According to the bombshell BBC report:

The BBC has uncovered details of a secret deal that let hundreds of Islamic State fighters and their families escape from Raqqa, under the gaze of the US and British-led coalition and Kurdish-led forces who control the city. A convoy included some of IS’s most notorious members and – despite reassurances – dozens of foreign fighters. Some of those have spread out across Syria, even making it as far as Turkey.

Then in December, an investigation concluded that 97 percent of the weapons used by the Islamic State were supplied illegally by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia.

The weapons and ammunition were originally purchased by the United States and Saudi Arabia and then distributed to rebel groups. While the U.S. claimed to be fighting ISIS, the fact is that ISIS was one of the Syrian rebel groups opposing Assad, and as the report noted, nearly all of their weapons came from those purchased by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia.

6. The Federal Reserve bank was exposed in June to be a working arm of US Intelligence

Confidential accounts within the Federal Reserve have been used by the U.S. Treasury and other departments “several times a year to analyze the asset holdings of the central banks of Russia, China, Iraq, Turkey, Yemen, Libya and others,” according to a report from Reuters that cites more than a dozen current and former senior U.S. officials.

The U.S. central bank keeps a tight lid on information contained in these accounts. But according to the officials interviewed by Reuters, U.S. authorities regularly use a ‘need to know’ confidentiality exception in the Fed’s service contracts with foreign central banks.

7. Declassified document proved the conspiracy that the CIA planned and carried out the 1953 Iranian Coup

The newly declassified documents, titled “Foreign Relations of the United States, 1952-1954, Iran, 1951–1954,” provide a notable difference from the State Department’s 1989 version of the coup, which left out any involvement from American and British intelligence.

A memorandum from Director of Central Intelligence Allen Dulles to President Eisenhower, dated March 1, 1953, serves as a reminder that internally, “the elimination of Mossadeq by assassination or otherwise,” was used as a method in repairing ties with Iran, restoring oil negotiations, and stopping a “Communist takeover.”

8. Billionaire elitists openly admit to Ingesting the blood of young children

Once the talk of conspiracy theorists — the rich ingesting the blood of the young to foster longevity — is now a reality and an actual business in the United States. Not only is it a business but billionaires are actually admitting their interest in it.

As Vanity Fair reports, Ambrosia, which buys its blood from blood banks, now has about 100 paying customers. Some are Silicon Valley technologists—like Peter Thiel, the billionaire co-founder of PayPal and adviser to Donald Trump.

9. CIA drug trafficking conspiracy was blown wide open in an explosive History Channel series

A&E Networks addressed the government’s role in the drug war in a four-part documentary series on the History Channel, titled, “America’s War on Drugs.”

“America’s War on Drugs” is an immersive trip through the last five decades, uncovering how the CIA, obsessed with keeping America safe in the fight against communism, allied itself with the mafia and foreign drug traffickers. In exchange for support against foreign enemies, the groups were allowed to grow their drug trade in the United States.

10. Mainstream science showed Vitamin C’s ability to fight cancer

According to researchers from the University of Iowa, ascorbate, derived from Vitamin C, was successfully observed increasing hydrogen peroxide levels in cancer cells, which in turn had a toxic result with cancer cells, killing the cancer cells in lab rats yet not damaging normal cells in the process. The researchers concluded that Vitamin C might, indeed, be lethal to some cancers. 

According to the scientists, “These results indicate that an in vivo measurement of catalase activity in tumors may predict which cancers will respond to pharmacological ascorbate therapy.” Once the exact cancers are identified, which are killed by vitamin C, the researchers concluded, “this information can also be used in finding combination therapies that may increase the efficacy of treatment for those tumors with higher catalase activities.” In other words, extremely high doses of the Vitamin C derivative may potentially be added to conventional cancer therapies to help kill more cancer cells.

In 2017, the world has learned that truth is indeed stranger than fiction as the light continues to shine into the darkness. With all the proven conspiracies in 2017, we can’t help but remain optimistic for 2018 to become the year the world begins to wake up.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

-Arthur Schopenhauer

Matt Agorist is an honorably discharged veteran of the USMC and former intelligence operator directly tasked by the NSA. This prior experience gives him unique insight into the world of government corruption and the American police state. Agorist has been an independent journalist for over a decade and has been featured on mainstream networks around the world. Agorist is also the Editor at Large at the Free Thought Project, where this article first appearedFollow @MattAgorist on TwitterSteemit, and now on Facebook.

Activist Post Daily Newsletter

Subscription is FREE and CONFIDENTIAL
Free Report: How To Survive The Job Automation Apocalypse with subscription

107 Comments on "Top Ten Conspiracy Theories That Turned FACT in 2017"

  1. ” the CIA, obsessed with keeping America safe in the fight
    against communism”

    pure Bullshit…

  2. The conspiracy theory I’m following now is the one that claims the American people have had enough of the corruption and will march en masse to DC and throw all the kleptocrats into the Potomac – to be followed by lengthy prison sentences.
    I wonder how this one will turn out?

  3. So when will this one be recognized:

    Your leaders want it to get worse, refugees = tools.
    Your leaders are NWO globalist puppets.

    Refugees and illegal aliens are the globalist’s tool to create the needed threat for their excuse to censor speech, gun confiscations, limit our freedoms and rights and expand the Federal/UN police state. Strategy for eliminating the 2nd Amendment in the USA and limiting the 1st and 4th (just to get things started).

    “Perhaps globalists are using the threat of Islam to consolidate their power through new police freedoms that limit their citizens’ powers.”

    Just like attempted ‘global warming world tax’, global ‘wealth’ tax, global laws and global regulation to destroy our national sovereignty and have unelected foreign bureaucrats make our laws, get control and funding for their own power base. It has NOTHING to do with ‘peace’ or climate.

    The NWO globalist elites sure have their massive armies of shills and useful idiot leftists ….

    “The chaos of bloody street clashes between displaced Muslims and Americans/Europeans could achieve yet other Illuminati goals, including imposition of domestic martial law and suspension of remaining freedoms.”

    The Agenda behind the Refugee Crisis | James Perloff
    Oct 3, 2015 … … by the rash of violence and fires in 2005 that French police couldn’t contain. … “ Divide and conquer,” of course, is a stock-in-trade tactic of the NWO. … The current immigration crisis was created by the West. … We bombed Libya into utter chaos …

    How to create masses of refugees; bomb the shit out their country’s infrastructure forcing them out (young male Muslims only, no Christians), then ship them as required to be used as tools.

    UN slams airstrike on water treatment facility in Syria’s Aleppo
    Will that create more refugees? … yep, that’s the plan. Then Putin will be blamed for the consequences.
    Evidence Shows US Helping ISIL to Survive in Iraq
    by Mario Andrijasevic exclusively for SouthFront
    “Under the pretext of fighting the Takfiri terrorist group the US and its allies airdrop weapons and food for the ISIL terrorists”

    New York Police Department Ramps Up Recruitment Of Muslim ………

    Minnesota: Terror Recruiting Capital | Clarion Project Clarion Project
    Jun 20, 2017 … Minnesota is the terror recruiting capital of the US.

    Did you know Lewiston, Maine is the Somali capital of New England
    Fact Check: is Lewiston, Maine riddled with Crime since Somali …
    Feb 6, 2013 … Has Lewiston, Maine descended into crime because of the influx of …..


  5. We done. Bravo.

  6. The CIA was formed to keep the info from the Roswell incident and all other extraterrestrial contact from the public. What is missing from this article and is more important than the ten listed is the collusion that is taking place that verifies the extraterrestrial conspiracy that has been officially blown open by several ranking officials and corporate related personages involved in various government programs. But for some reason this topic never gets any mention in any of these so called alternative media.

    • lightingstrikesthrice | December 23, 2017 at 7:54 am |

      Right on. And let’s not forget The Battle Over Las Angeles during WW2. The story was front page news with pictures taken by the journalist from the LA Times.

    • Part of Deep State tactics is to discredit all conspiracy allegations by promoting lunatic theories to poison the well. Mass shootings are hoaxes, chemtrails, etc….all meant to discredit the legitimate conspiracy claims. By accepting these lunatic narratives, you advance the CIA cover up of REAL conspiracies such as JFK/RFK/MLK assassinations, 9/11 covers ups, etc. You thus become unwittingly a tool of the Deep State.

  7. The comment below from the Psychic Warrior has been time censored by them?

  8. “Chemtrails”? LOL

    • a better name for them is “climate change”

      • Better yet, water vapor as a by product of hydrocarbon combustion, as seen since the 40s, the dawn of high altitude planes, whether piston or jets. Earlier and lower yet in the right atmospheric conditions.

        The floundering hypothesis of CAGW has nothing to do with it.

      • Exactly: the chemtrails myth is promoted to distract from the real pollution killing millions each year and blaming the government which is needed to stop the lethal pollution. Who benefits from the chemtrail myth: the polluters.

        Do actual contrails contribute to climate change? They do…the cirrus clouds formed by frozen jet emissions slightly warm the atmosphere.
        The EPA under Obama asked authorization to regulate these polluting emissions, as they do ground level.

        Here’s the scandal: ” President Trump’s fiscal 2018 budget proposal would cut the Environmental Protection Agency’s Office of Science and Technology nearly in half, while paring by 40 percent funding for E.P.A. employees who oversee and put in place environmental regulations, according to a White House document.”

  9. In other words the World’s King is on his throne and everything The United States Company 1871, formerly, The United States of America 1776, does, is first approved by him and administered in Washington D.C., by his agents who sit behind every (s)elected Political hack running our nation into the ground.
    The very fact that the Government, ie, the Politicians, literally killing us are under the control of a Banker King is evident in the reality that the King through his Political serfs in D.C., disallows true medical cures to be used in this nation of people, insisting the profits made by the medical and pharmaceutical industries continue to flow into the Banks coffers.
    The Stock Market, just a front to hide the murderous dealing going on behind the scenes, murderous going-ons, by the few who really do own everything there is to own.
    War and drugs make their world go around, their bottom line swell like never before and even if the deaths of millions is a part of the plan.
    Oh but, this christian bunch of overfed self-hating fools running our communities for a few dollars more, oh how they do sell out the people. Praying to Jesus in public passing ordinances and prohibition in secret, deals, that hold us close to the grave, much easier to just push us in than to care about us at all.
    Greed is the disease that affects the “leadership” and on every level, a disease coming from on high, from the very King of the world.

    • and Jesus will say to them depart from me I never knew you….

      • Religion were implanted on Earth by Archons, evil entities who feed on our negative energies, fear, pain, suffering (Red Ice Radio youtube channel, a lot of good info). Religions are a manipulation tool. Congrats, you have all been fooled!
        I was wondering why an all knowing benevolent God would ask Man to do circumcision which is pain wise a dramatic experience and dramatic experiences cause brain damage according to current brain science. Jewish babies get acetaminophen for the pain and it causes autism. Babies chose between brain damage and autism. Would a benevolent God ask us to do that?

    • The plan is to halve the US population size, and decimate other countries even more. Remember Georgia Guidestones: 500 M ppl, not the current 7 B. There is a global shortage of drinking water, and no, it doesn’t help to build desalination plants, those filters do not filter out Fukushima radiation which causes cancer and cancer kills. Every other American gets a cancer diagnosis during their life time (not b/c of Fukushima but b/c of the total environmental pollution).

    • lightingstrikesthrice | December 23, 2017 at 7:09 am |

      I can relate to your statements Sam Nelson. I keep telling people it is currency that controls them, keeps them in bondage. And those whom I say this to get angry at me. It’s funny, the bankers of whom you speak of, mint,print, electronically create when ever it is convenient for them. So if it is a fabrication, how can that be real? Yes this current currency/finance system was stated in the mid 1400s along with the market systems in the Netherlands. People are to docile to do anything but allow Agenda 21 to successful.

  10. Interesting…but to claim that some of these have “turned fact” is a bit of a stretch. Especially considering the sources.

  11. I stopped reading at #2. My background is that I accept many conspiracies as historical reality and believe corporations or the CIA behind the most outlandish to poison the well.

    #2 basically equates chemtrails, the theory that the government or some nefarious force is trying to poison us or alter the weather and that those contrails in the sky are toxic dumps to accomplish this. The fact is that no real atmospheric scientist with has supported these allegations, and government proposals and experiments are nothing like a program of chemtrails, as is believed.

    Weather modification goes back to the native Americans, who would burn silver to send smoke into low lying clouds to provoke rain. Cloud seeding is not a conspiracy but normal practice used to induce rain. But the chemtrails hallucinations are extreme lunatic allegations which have no scientific support, and government hearings on proposals does not equate to an ongoing program to “kill 6 billion people on behalf of the NWO” or attempts to change the weather, since it is also a fact that in most cases, the cirrus clouds formed by the emissions from stratospheric flying warm the atmosphere rather than cool it, and the proposals at weather modification have the goal of reducing the atmospheric heat.

    In addition, all observed vapor trails occur at the 30-40,000 ft altitudes of normal commercial air flight, where winds of 50-80 mph make “targetting” impossible. Much of the polluted emissions of jet planes is blown thousands of miles away, diluted by the parts per million, and ends of 2/3 in the ocean.

    The EPA has (under Obama) asked for authorization to regulate jet emissions, as it does emissions on the ground, as they both DO slightly alter the climate and are full of pollutants.

    Why chemtrails. Fossil fuel use on the ground kills millions a year and sickens hundreds of millions. By looking up and blaming the only force powerful enough to do something about it (governments), the fossil fuel profiteers can both distract from the known poisoning of our land, air, and water and convert the force capable of ending this poisoning as a villain to be distrusted. In addition, chemtrails, as a theory without any scientific support, helps poison the well of valid allegations of conspiracies such as JFK/RFK/MLK assasinations, 9/11, and the absurd claim that Syria dropped chemical bombs on the very people it was fighting to liberate.

    So both the fossil fuel oligarchs and the CIA have motives to promote such idiotic theories as “chemtrails” for both financial and propaganda purposes.

    Are there people proposing weather modification? Yes. Have their been small scale experiments? Yes. Does the conspiracy theory of “chemtrails” have anything to do with these genuine proposals and experiments? No.

    I probably agree with many of the other conspiracy theories this article seeks to vindicate but the bias involved in claiming “chemtrails’ have been proven (calling a gross distortion “simplification” is most dishonest) alerts me that I am not dealing with a rational author whose standard is truth.

    I remain a conspiracy theorist but also a critic of the false flag conspiracies promoted to make all conspiracy theories look absurd.

    • Dane Wiggington….go watch his videos.
      I’m old enough to remember what real clouds look like.
      If this is supposed to be geoengineering for our benefit explain the drought / flood cycle that exists now.
      I think you are hived.

      • I don’t get my information from propaganda videos. I find out what the real scientists are reporting. I am 76. Since my youth, airline flights, which cruise at the altitude of cirrus clouds, have increased from thousands a day to over a hundred thousand a day in the US alone. The clouds atmospheric scientists tell us are formed when jet emissions hit subfreezing atmospheres in the stratosphere spread out and form longish cirrus clouds. Wigington (you misspelled his name) lists no degrees in science on his bio page and his occupation in solar installer. What qualifies him to dispute tens of thousands of actual atmospheric scientists?

        Here is an excerpt from a very wise and respected scientist:
        “his is a guest post by David Suzuki.

        I recently wrote about geoengineering as a strategy to deal with climate change and carbon dioxide emissions. That drew comments from people who confuse this scientific process with the unscientific theory of “chemtrails”. Some also claimed the column supported geoengineering, which it didn’t.

        The reaction got me wondering why some people believe in phenomena rejected by science, like chemtrails, but deny real problems demonstrated by massive amounts of scientific evidence, like climate change.

        Chemtrails believers claim governments around the world are in cahoots with secret organizations to seed the atmosphere with chemicals and materials – aluminum salts, barium crystals, biological agents, polymer fibres, etc. – for a range of nefarious purposes. These include controlling weather for military purposes, poisoning people for population or mind control and supporting secret weapons programs based on the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, or HAARP.

        Scientists have tested and used cloud and atmospheric seeding for weather modification and considered them as ways to slow global warming. With so many unknowns and possible unintended consequences, these practices have the potential to cause harm. But the chemtrails conspiracy theory is much broader, positing that military and commercial airlines are involved in constant massive daily spraying that is harming the physical and mental health of citizens worldwide.

        I don’t have space to get into the absurdities of belief in a plot that would require worldwide collusion between governments, scientists and airline company executives and pilots to amass and spray unimaginable amounts of chemicals from altitudes of 10,000 metres or more. I’m a scientist, so I look at credible science – and there is none for the existence of chemtrails. They’re condensation trails, formed when hot, humid air from jet exhaust mixes with colder low-vapour-pressure air. This, of course, comes with its own environmental problems.”

        I suggest you learn from actual scientists and not self-appointed amateurs.

        • There are thousands of folks concerned that there is something going on.what I would do if someone was accusing me of doing wrong by them I would break my neck to do everything I could to show them it was ok.I would not be calling them nut jobs because these people are serious and I do not see anyone trying to ease that concern what so them the planes do whatever it takes. But there is nothing but name calling and secrecy and it’s discusting.

          • Millions believe evolution is a hoax. ”

            Poll: Almost half of Republicans believe Trump won popular vote
            © Getty
            Nearly half of Republicans think President Trump won the popular vote in the 2016 presidential election, according to a new survey.

            A poll conducted by two academic authors and published by The Washington Post shows 47 percent of Republicans believe Trump won the popular vote.”

            “Do YOU believe chemtrails are real? Study finds 10% of Americans think the conspiracy theory is true
            The chemtrails conspiracy says that airliners are deliberately spraying chemicals
            The theory holds that this happening with undisclosed, hidden goals
            Some conspirators believe it’s related to weather modification or mind control
            However, none of this is true – scientists and investigative journalist say so
            Contrails are actually made up of water vapor and are a byproduct of aviation.”

            Read more:

            Media propaganda and internet bullshit effects a lot of people, but if you want the truth, ask the scientists who study the atmosphere, not some junk website.

          • Are these those same scientists that think GMOs are fine and dandy? Vaccines safe and wonderful? and safe clean and too cheap to meter nuclear power and of course those smart meters are the cream of the crop according to who’s paying for the science.

          • No, windy, the biotech friendly scientists whom I have often denounced are not atmospheric scientists. It think you know that. I rely on the 17 scientists from the IARC who categorized glyphosate as a likely human carcinogen to rebut the corporate whores.

            The atmospheric scientists are almost all university researchers who have no conflict of interest to bias their findings. I suggest you go to them rather than the amateur propaganda websites that promote chemtrails, which is a kind of distraction from the real dangers of fossil fuel pollution which kills millions each year and is destroying our environment.

            Are you one of those who thinks all scientists are the same and sell-outs, leaving you only with corporate shillls for information?

        • Just a reminder that both the US Air Force “We will own the weather by 2025”, and Harvard (Operation Solar Shield 2017) have admitted they’re doing it, and we can see it with our own eyes, so this ‘rejected by science’ rubbish needs to stop. Consensus science is not science, it is an oxymoron, a new religion requiring belief and consent only. I do not consent. 😉

          • Cohen made this prediction over 20 years ago and it was in the context of manipulating battlefield weather. It has nothing to do with the chemtrail mythology. His prediction was in no way an admission of chemtrail emissions.

            And here is the Guardian reporting on the Harvard experiment which you equate to admitting “chemtrail” dispersion:
            “US scientists are set to send aerosol injections 20km up into the earth’s stratosphere in the world’s biggest solar geoengineering programme to date, to study the potential of a future tech-fix for global warming.

            The $20m (£16m) Harvard University project will launch within weeks and aims to establish whether the technology can safely simulate the atmospheric cooling effects of a volcanic eruption, if a last ditch bid to halt climate change is one day needed.

            Scientists hope to complete two small-scale dispersals of first water and then calcium carbonate particles by 2022.”

            This is not about your opinion of “consensus science” but about empirical evidence and the findings of all the world’s atmospheric scientists. If you think non-scientists are a better source, I suggest your distortion of the Cohen statement and the Harvard study reveal a mind that is blinded to reality by propaganda and fake science.

          • Grace by Faith | December 23, 2017 at 4:07 am |

            Your denial is shocking, and no one’s falling for it. 😉

          • So you speak for the world’s atmospheric scientists and the 90% who do not belong to the chemtrail cult?

            True or false: Cohens 20 year old remark was about controlling weather on the battle field?

            The Harvard experiment is a small, localized project to be completed in a few years?

            No atmospheric scientists accept chemtrails?

            You do not speak for everyone?

          • About 5% of the public believe in chemtrails. So I am with the 95% who rely on real scientists and not the propaganda promoted by the real despoilers of our environment, the fossil fuel corporations. If by “n one” you mean the cult of true believers, I take that as a sign that you have no evidence so you fall back on the fallacy of arguing by popularity, which in this case, backfires, since only 5% agree with you in this country and even fewer worldwide.

          • This was a comment made about controlling weather in combat zones, and no one has admitted to “doing it.” There have been small experiments and proposals. Science is ruled by evidence; when enough evidence accumulates, a consensus forms without any coersion other than the force of logic. Science is not a religion based on dogma or faith but a discipline ruled by evidence and when in error, self-correction.

          • Grace by Faith | February 17, 2018 at 7:01 pm |

            Little late to this party, Dale, but science is indeed ruled by evidence, and the fact that you’re ignoring all of it when it’s published and going on literally right over your head is absolutely astounding. Troll or Stockholm Syndrome?

            They’ve been spraying us since at least ’94, and all the proof you need can be found if you just… look… up (and then look at the effects – dead crops and trees, gardens bearing no fruit, high aluminum content in soil, etc.). Cheers~

          • I challenge you to back up our claims by presenting peer-reviewed research by an atmospheric scientists which confirms chemtrails.

            You cannot, so you resort to smears and insults, the weapons of the intellectually and morally impoverished. Put up or shut up.

        • “They’re condensation trails, formed when hot, humid air from jet exhaust mixes with colder low-vapour-pressure air.”

          My personal observations in southern Calif. lead me to believe this is a false statement. A few examples…

          1) a plane is flying along and the spraying stops and then restarts. Jet contrails don’t do this ever.

          2) Two planes flying along, the higher one has normal contrails that dissipate quickly, the lower plane spews out stuff that hangs for hours.

          3) Of all the planes in the sky, the ones doing the spraying all seem to come from, and go to Edwards AFB.

          4) POTUS visits LA and for a week prior, no spraying at all.

          5) Last year, during the Holidays of Thanksgiving and Christmas, all spraying ceased.

          I don’t know about any government conspiracies, but I do know someone is spending big bucks to spray this stuff. One more point, over a hundred thousand people will die this year because they believed real “scientists” are giving them pills that will be beneficial to their health.

          • Where did you study atmospheric science?
            1. As a plane goes through colder and warmer air streams, the frozen vapors occur and stop……
            2. planes at different altitudes deal with different temperatures
            3. Google a flight map for your region and compare the vapor trails you observe; they will all align 100%
            with ordinary flight paths. Do it!
            4. Are you suggesting Trump is behind this? Whether their are contrails depends on the stratospheric temperature. period.
            5. Whether their are contrails depends on the stratospheric temperature. period.

            Do you seriously think all the world’s thousands of atmospheric scientists from over a hundred nations are lying?

          • “Where did you study atmospheric science?”

            I didn’t, but I don’t have blind faith in “scientists”. Scientism is a religious dogma. Just replace the word “science” with the word “god” and there you go. Nothing can ever be questioned. Take this Vioxx pill because “god” said it will be most beneficial for you…

            “1. As a plane goes through colder and warmer air streams, the frozen vapors occur and stop……”

            I’ve never seen contrails that dissipate quickly do this, ever.

            “2. planes at different altitudes deal with different temperatures”

            So you can give a scientific explanation on how two planes flying near each other can have contrails so radically different. Let’s hear some specific evidence, other than the high priests tell us it is so.

            “3. Google a flight map for your region and compare the vapor trails you observe; they will all align 100%
            with ordinary flight paths. Do it!”

            Did it, and no they all don’t. Flights eastbound out of LAX and ONT tend to go straight towards their destinations. Often the planes doing the spraying can be seen to emerge from the high desert near Palmdale, they leave trails that last for hours, this makes tracking their flight paths quite easy.

            “4. Are you suggesting Trump is behind this?”

            No, I misspoke, Obama was POTUS when I made that observation. I hate to brake this news to you, but bankers have all the power, politicians are mere sock puppets.

            “5. Whether their are contrails depends on the stratospheric temperature. period.”

            When POTUS came to LA LA land, the wheather was 90 to 100+ degrees every day like it always is in summer. Heavy chemtrail/geo engineering every day except for a week or so
            while POTUS was dancing with the Kleptocrats. Are you suggesting a freak arctic blast was in effect all summer, sans the week POTUS was in town???

            “Do you seriously think all the world’s thousands of atmospheric scientists from over a hundred nations are lying?”

            For the most part yes I do. In academia, an untenured prof will be thrown out if he/she/it is critical of evolution dogma. The fastest way to lose research grant money is to speak out against climate change. If a medical doctor spoke out against the genocide in America, it would mean career suicide STAT. So yes, a real quick way to end Poindexter’s career is to be branded a conspiracy theorist. Clearly,
            Some things are off limits in this corrupt bag of insanity called the USSA.

          • Science is not an ism; it is based on irrepressible skepticism, and it is the opposite of religion,which is based on belief. Science is a self-correcting process which constantly questions and seeks to undermine unnecessary assumptions Skepticism is not a dogma but a rejection of dogma. Your attempt to equate science with dogma on this forum depends on scientific knowledge.

            If you dismiss science,you are left with dogma and propaganda.

          • I don’t dismiss science, I criticize and am skeptical of pseudo science. I notice you didn’t have any scientific evidence to support your view that chemtrail/ geo engineering
            are merely water vapor and jet exhaust fumes.

          • There are no atmospheric scientists with research in the field who accept that the trails we see are anything but persistent contrails.

            I rely on their expertise. You are dealing with pseudo science, my friend. I don’t have to prove anything since my views are based on the findings of atmospheric scientists. Since you dispute their findings, it is for you to find expert opinion by atmospheric scientists that shows that they are not merely jet emissions frozen in the stratosphere.

            If you were skeptical, you would dismiss the chemtrail myth, since it has zero scientific backing. Ordinary contrails totally explains what we see in the sky, and if you do your own research by getting a flight map of commercial flights in your region (google it) and compare to the trails you see, you will observe 100% alignment. Also you will never see any contrails below the stratosphere, where they are so driven by strong currents that no targeting is possible.

            So there is my suggestion: read what actual atmospheric scientists say…and do your own backyard research.

          • Your appeal to authority creates a dogma. I believe this is what is being stated. An appeal to authority is also a logical fallacy. It is kin to presenting a straw man argument, where in you’ve not done any critical thinking yourself. Your argument is that “X authority” says it is so, so it must be so.

            Someone else countered that with “based upon my experience here are some observations”. They did not dismiss science. They did reject appealing to authority. They put in some critical thought of their own, they observed for themselves and drew up their own opinion.

            Everyone is free to have an opinion. What I see from you is you accept the dogma of the “official” party line by appealing to authority. That’s only one observation. I could form an opinion on you and such logic but will not. This is a public forum, for all I know you might be a dog or from the planet Neptune. How can I infer much about you, or anyone?

            By the way, Merry Christmas, Happy Yule, Happy Hanukah or which ever seasonal holidays you celebrate. May you & your family have the Brightest Blessings for the upcoming new Gregorian year. I’m an apathetic agnostic, my wife practices some mild form of Dianic Wicca to her own suitability. We still do though respect and feel we ought to wish others Joyus holidays, so there you go. 🙂

          • I appeal to science, which rejects dogma for the self-correcting process of demanding evidence and constant challenge. That is why science has been so successful. When it is perverted, as Stalin did with genetics or Monsanto with its herbicides, science and the process of peer-review corrects the scientific consensus, in eternal skepticism.

            Peer-review is not authority but a rejection of central power, a form of anarchism, where research is both reviewed by respected experts, who have earned their status through peer-review, and then post-publication. If twenty years later, some young PH.d seeking to make his career finds flaws in an accepted study, he can challenge it and so science is continually self-correcting. Peer review has no central authority but is open to anyone post-publication. It is a form of democratic anarchism, whereby it is not authority but empirical evidence that ultimately rules the day.

            I urge you to abandon your preconceived ideas about how science works and understand how unique it is, a very powerful force in the world (we cannot imagine the internet or computers without it) that is not “controlled” by any state or body. After a work is published, it is open for criticism and often, errors are thus corrected.

            This is not the case for dogma. I personally, whose expertise is intellectual history (including the evolution of scientific method, which is not dogmatic but empirical and experimental) choose to rely on scientists whose work has survived peer-review, knowing that the alternative is dogma, amateur speculation, and fake science.

            There IS fake science but it is always eventually exposed……so while
            “science” is not foolproof, it has an internal mechanism for self-correction, and what else is better?

            I turn to the scientific method of skeptical demand for evidence; you reject this appeal and turn to………………….anti-science, fake science, and propaganda, which is an authority I reject. I urge you to study the intellectual structure and history of science as a rejection of dogma and belief and to turn to real science rather than the junk science you are promoting.

          • I understand how science works. As to it being a dogma, this is where religions took it. Of course, religions then stopped once they had a smattering of superstitions.

            You are using science in this case to me seems as though you’re saying you can win any argument because you’re parroting science, the oh mighty grand authority. Sorry. At that point then to me you lose all traction. You are presenting a logical fallacy as your argument. You in fact are not relying on science by doing that. You are instead taking the lazy way out.

            Have you considered the views of anyone aside from those the System has credited as being scientists? Do you make your own conclusions based upon multiple points of view, science, art, fictional literature, experience, mechanics, logic, grammar, the layman? From what you present of your argument, it seems you do not. You instead appeal to the authority of science.

            Even science can be wrong. Go ask a scientist if they believe that or not. If they do not then you can discredit them. There is no certainty in science as there’s none in living, or my socks not matching color. What science allows us to do is get a best guess. So then ultimately your argument follows; “I accept the best guesses.” This means you don’t know any more than I know, or don’t know.

            How original. Not really at all.

          • .By science, I mean peer-reviewed studies by people who devote their lives to gaining knowledge in a field an who compete to show the flaws in each others work. Scientists have been wrong, and used by corporations and gpvernments (tobacco, biotech, Stalin, etc) but science as a community has always been self-correcting.

            A theory is in a sense the best guess but until someone comes along with evidence to show that it is flawed, it stands as the best explanation possible. If new evidence shows it is incorrect, it is corrected or replaced.

            Your rejection of science is based on a lack of understanding of how science, as a discipline, works and evolves and why it is more than a mere guess. I urge you to take a science class to remove your blinders an study the intellectual history of scientific methodology, which has successfully self-corrected, with no external authority, for many centuries and brought us such wonders as the internet, space travel, and cures for many diseases. These innovations were not based on guesses but knowledge.

          • “Your rejection of science is based on a lack of understanding of how
            science, as a discipline, works and evolves and why it is more than a
            mere guess. ”

            Excuse you. I do not think I stated that I reject science. No, I specifically recall stating a rejection of dogma and use of dogma as an appeal to authority. Any idea, even ideas can be seen as a dogma if one allows that perception of them to exist, and sometimes it is difficult to avoid not letting it exist.

            You are brandishing science as a dogma and then appealing to that as an authority. That is a logical fallacy and error, flaw in any argument you press forward using it. Please refrain from placing words in my mouth or off my keys, ever again. Bad enough at times I need to proofread myself seven times.

            Again, I do not reject science. I reject your use of science as a dogma and authority to appeal to in order to win debate or argument. That is simply fallacious and malicious of you, on wholesale it is wrong.

          • dale ruff | March 3, 2018 at 9:23 pm |

            “You are brandishing science as a dogma and then appealing to that as an authority. That is a logical fallacy and error, flaw in any argument you press forward using it.”

            Your hyperbolic rhetoric gives away your emotional reaction:

            wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement.

            This is not a weapon, threat, or manifestation of anger or dogma:
            “By science, I mean peer-reviewed studies by people who devote their lives to gaining knowledge in a field an who compete to show the flaws in each others work. Scientists have been wrong, and used by corporations and governments (tobacco, biotech, Stalin, etc) but science as a community has always been self-correcting.”

            I suggest you are projecting while claiming you accept science but reject what actual scientists have confirmed. Sad.

          • lightingstrikesthrice | December 23, 2017 at 7:48 am |

            Excellent argument Patrick Wise.

          • Here’s a curious article, reporting from Detroit Metropolitan Airport. Headline:

            “Mystery residue coats vehicles parked at Detroit Metro Airport”


          • Grace by Faith | December 24, 2017 at 12:14 pm |

            Thank you, Patrick, excellent examples. What baffles me about people like our Dale here is, if they didn’t sell out, just doing it for the money, then they must be so indoctrinated they can’t cope with the possibility their government wants them dead – the cognitive dissonance is too strong for them to process and for protection from that shock/pain, denial kicks in like a mad dog.

          • I am a 76 yr old retired artist,hardly a sell out. When you smear people, it demonstrates an inability to muster a rational response, which is, implicitly, an admission of defeat masked with insults: I reject your insults and I forgive you.

            I am hardly a mad dog. I am a calm, rational, and eternally skeptical observer who has never sold out and who is beholden to no one. I AM used to being attacked with personal insults and accusations when I present evidence, credible sources, and logic by those who, lacking these features, have no choice but defend their cherished beliefs by attacking those who challenge them.

            Can you name an atmospheric scientist, among the thousands, who has evidence that chemtrails are anything but a myth? Can you provide peer-reviewed evidence? I challenge you to abandon ad hominem attacks and deal with the scientific findings themselves. You were not born believing in chemtrails; you likely adopted this view by reading websites run by people with no background in atmospheric science. If you choose to believe them, rather than the people who devote their lives
            to actual scientific research on the issue, that is up to you, but attacking me is a sign of intelllectual weakness and a logical fallacy.

          • Grace by Faith | December 25, 2017 at 1:28 pm |

            I simply asked if that was you, and you didn’t answer. 😉 Look, we all know why you’re here – you’re here to try to counter a movement the programmers allowed to slip between their fingers and get away from them. Either that, or you don’t understand the true definition of the politics you profess to defend. You’re on the wrong end of the truth stick, my friend. God bless you~

          • You won’t even own the insulting tone you take. Your post has nothing to do with a rational discussion of contrails or the myths that obscure the true causes of global warming, pollution, millions of deaths, degradation of the environment etc. It is all ad hominem bullshit. May God forgive you. I do.

          • Grace by Faith | December 25, 2017 at 6:13 pm |

            Global warming is a lie; if it is hotter, they’re making it so with chemtrails and sundry other weapons; they more than likely cause the drought in CA, too. Look, hon, if this article doesn’t convince you that the government has declared war on the people, then you’re either brainwashed or being paid.

            Learning the truth doesn’t take scientific analysis anymore because the religion (takes faith, like you have in them) Scientism took over real science a long time ago (people can be paid off so consensus science is fallible BS). This takes research, common sense, and discernment. And answer me this, if the drought was so bad and the fires are so bad in CA, why didn’t they make rain, like they did so well in Viet Nam in the 60s – killing crops and slowing down the enemy. Is “We will own the weather by 2025” US Air Force a lie?

            Chemtrails keep the heat in and those little aluminum aerosol nano-particulates are not designed to only reflect “up”. You’d have to be a complete moron to think that they don’t also don’t reflect heat down. And you’re breathing it – tiny nano-razor blades slicing into your pink lungs. So if anything is heating up, the government is doing it to us. Your naivete is dangerous, please research deeper and learn the horrible truth, you’re defending monsters and psychopaths who want you dead.

          • Global warming is an empirical fact. It is true that the contrails from ordinary flight warm the atmosphere. Global warming is caused by an unprecedented rise in CO2 and methane, or so the atmospheric and climate scientists have discovered. I reject the absurdity that they are monsters and psychopaths who want me dead. They want us to heed the perils of sudden climate change and to address it.

            Scientific illiterates like you have are repeating fake science from various websites are the tool by which the polluters (the fossil fuel oligarchs and the meat industry) confuse the public and block action, making things worse. I have presented the scientific facts, as reported by real scientists; you are free to dismiss it or call them fakes………………..and suffer the consequences. I will waste no more time with you.

          • Grace by Faith | December 25, 2017 at 10:39 pm |

            No, chemtrails are empirical fact documented just about everywhere on earth, and you can’t discount it no matter how hard you try – it can’t be done anymore – it’s been decided, there is no argument left. It is a proven fact they exist by millions of people witnessing, filming, and reporting them (not regular flight paths), not to mention by the government’s and Harvard’s own admissions. Admissions that you so eagerly ignore, even deny, while believing them in other matters quite freely, like global warming. You’ve been outed by your hypocrisy and bias.

            How do you discern what’s true and what’s not when the government or universities come out with news? It appears you only believe what you want to believe, the rest, tossed out like yesterday’s paper. That’s no way to win a debate.

            You never did tell me if the Dale Ruff I found online is you, if it is, you’ve been lied to about what liberalism and socialism are. They’re communism in disguise and the rich and powerful will never give up their power or their money for equality/equity – they will remain our owners and we, their slaves. Please look deeper! ~Cheers

          • So all the world’s atmospheric scientists are wrong? How comforting to hear you say we will always be slaves. But speak for yourself. I am liberated.

            You, however, have surrendered to floccinaucinihilipilification.

            Yes, I have been lied to but with strong critical skills, I have spent a lifetime exposing liars……..

            May you prosper in the new year and not be one of the 6 billion doomed to be killed by chemtrails.

          • Grace by Faith | December 26, 2017 at 9:25 am |

            OK, time to move on, Dale, I think we’re done here. ALL the world’s scientists don’t deny chemtrails exist, so now you’re just lying while hiding behind big words. I’m impressed with that really big word, but not enough to look it up. You have demonstrated here that you lack critical thought, reasoning and common sense, and you deny what you know you’ve seen with your very own eyes, which means you trust the government more than you do your own eyes. Sad.

            Which also means you’re brainwashed into consenting to and supporting the corrupt, fraudulent government agenda and whatever they say because admitting the truth is just too darn painful.

            Tell me (well, don’t, it’s rhetorical), what has changed in the atmosphere to make contrails spread out, cover the sky, and linger? The only answer is, they’re changing the atmosphere. But with what? Hmm… hint, it starts with a “C” and ends in an “hemtrail”. Bye, Dale, you get an A for effort, but fail the class~ 😉

          • Ok maybe you aren’t lying, your just stupid.

          • That’s the party line of the cult of 5% who believe in chemtrails, which includes no atmospheric scientists. It is a fact that ordinary contrails slightly warm the atmosphere when they spread out to for cirrus clouds.
            That is why the EPA in 2016 asked for authorization to regulate plane emissions as it does those on the ground.

            Global warming is an empirical fact and chemtrails is a lie, promoted by the fossil fuel corporations who funded the denial moveent, the same corporations (Exxon) which discovered human activity as the cause of global warming in the 70’s. Look it up.

          • I’m here to expose lies and challenge you to present evidence of peer-reviewed studies by atmospheric scientists which back up your claims. I am asking for evidence…that is the right end of the truth stick, my friend.

        • lightingstrikesthrice | December 23, 2017 at 7:46 am |

          What about the Director of the CIA just last year openly admitted to geoengineering just last year? Plus, Wigington does use actual science to prove what he and his organization is saying. They also have law suits going on suing governments over this. The only thing the suits prove is that they have enough evidence to move forward in the justice system and not be immediately thrown out as ‘bunk’ conspiracy theory.

          • The head of the CIA did not admit to geoengineering; he discussed the possibility. Here is what he said (not that you are listening):
            “Another example is the array of technologies—often referred to collectively as geoengineering—that potentially could help reverse the warming effects of global climate change.
            An SAI program could limit global temperature increases, reducing some risks associated with higher temperatures and providing the world economy additional time to transition from fossil fuels.
            As promising as it may be, moving forward on SAI would raise a number of challenges for our government and for the international community. On the technical side, greenhouse gas emission reductions would still have to accompany SAI to address other climate change effects, such as ocean acidification, because SAI alone would not remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.

            On the geopolitical side, the technology’s potential to alter weather patterns and benefit certain regions at the expense of others could trigger sharp opposition by some nations. Others might seize on SAI’s benefits and back away from their commitment to carbon dioxide reductions. And, as with other breakthrough technologies, global norms and standards are lacking to guide the deployment and implementation of SAI.”

            Please cite the “science” that non-scientist Wigington uses. You cannot dismiss the findings of atmospheric scientists (ie the science) and the boast of using “science.”

            Suing someone is not proving anything. And who is “they?” Who benefits from the chemtrails narrative? Those who have a vested interest in distracting people from the known pollution killing millions (thru fossil fuels) and degrading the governments responsible for addressing lethal pollution.

            The distortions and lies that the chemtrail cult keeps presenting (and I am talking about YOU) are exposed…but then you simply as in all cults, find another myth or distortion to present.

            Do not go to non-scientists for your science, my friend. Go to actual scientists. And do not confuse discussing potentials with existing programs.

            I doubt if you are listening, as cognitive dissonance drowns out what you don’t want to hear……but perhaps others will see how the cult mind works.

            Leon Festinger, in his classic When Prophecy Fails, outlines the way the mind of the true believe works:
            Festinger stated that five conditions must be present if someone is to become a more fervent believer after a failure or disconfirmation:

            A belief must be held with deep conviction and it must have some relevance to action, that is, to what the believer does or how he or she behaves.
            The person holding the belief must have committed himself to it; that is, for the sake of his belief, he must have taken some important action that is difficult to undo. In general, the more important such actions are, and the more difficult they are to undo, the greater is the individual’s commitment to the belief.
            The belief must be sufficiently specific and sufficiently concerned with the real world so that events may unequivocally refute the belief.
            Such undeniable disconfirmatory evidence must occur and must be recognized by the individual holding the belief.
            The individual believer must have social support. It is unlikely that one isolated believer could withstand the kind of disconfirming evidence that has been specified. If, however, the believer is a member of a group of convinced persons who can support one another, the belief may be maintained and the believers may attempt to proselytize or persuade nonmembers that the belief is correct.”

            Thus we get reactions to disconfirming evidence such as
            “Your denial is shocking, and no one’s falling for it. ;-)”
            “There are thousands of folks concerned that there is something going on.what I would do if someone was accusing me of doing wrong by them I would break my neck to do everything I could to show them it was ok.I would not be calling them nut jobs because these people are serious and I do not see anyone trying to ease that concern what so them the planes do whatever it takes. But there is nothing but name calling and secrecy and it’s discusting.”

            Thus, true believers, when confronted with disconfirmation, double down and retreat into their cult social network to fend off the evidence that they are wrong.

            No amount of evidence will dissuade a true believer…and that is why they belief, for as Tertullian said 800 years ago: ” We BELIEVE it BECAUSE it is absurd.”

            Or as Kierkegaard reiterated this insight into the nature of belief: “We believe by virtue of the absurd.”

            What is not absurd does not require belief. And as Voltaire said, and this is why Eric Hoffer in his classic The True Believer calls true believers the most dangerous people, “Those who can be persuaded of absurdities can be persuaded to commit atrocities.”

            I challenge anyone in this cult to provide evidence from an actual atmospheric scientist, who has done research on the subject, who will confirm that chemtrails are what we observe when we see those white trails in the sky behind cruising airplanes in the stratosphere.

            And if you belief despite being able to provide no evidence, you are believing because it is absurd.

          • Grace by Faith | December 24, 2017 at 11:55 am |

            Is this you? “retired, working radical egalitarian/libertarian socialist old school independent, vegan, survivor”, from Santa Cruz, CA, whose articles here: include, “Karl Marx Revisited: His Vision Now Vindicated”, and “Alternative Facts are BS: the epistemology of lies”? If so, you have some good stuff on your site about Trump being a puppet, but so has every president been from the beginning. The left/right paradigm is dead.

            Why you are so vehemently defending, hence, protecting the government’s flat out war against the people, is beyond me.

          • This is me: free, independent, beholden to no one, unemcumbered by ideological constraints. To be radical is to go beyond left/right and to go to the roots.

        • Hey Mr. Scientist who’s probably on the Govt. payroll..Contrails always dissipate in minutes as has been observed by those of us who are members of the conspiracy fact crew. Chemtrails do not dissipate…They spread out and alter weather along with HAARP. Indigo skyfold and operation Cloverleaf are 2 of the Govt. chemtrail Geo-Engineering nafarious, Poison R Us..Deep state programs. Test of the air, soil and water by experts in the field prove contamination of metallics 100’s of times above safe levels. The tree’s and plants are dying and are we from these poisons.

          • Why are you rude? Why do you think I am on the government payroll and why would that matter. Clearly your goal is not rational discourse or persuasion but to insult so fuck you.

          • That’s what the fossil fuel polluters want you to think. “I ain’t the cause of the pollution the evil EPA wants to reduce; it’s them gubmint chemtrails. Go get em, boys!” Divide/conquer/loot.

            Big Energy gets 5 trillion a year in public subsidies according to the World Bank and millions are killed by fossil fuel pollution, hundreds of millions sickened. Who benefits from the chemtrail narrative? Cue bono?

          • I am free and independent. Persistent contrails do not dissipate in minutes in many cases according to actual atmospheric scientists. Contrails which spread out as cirrus clouds do effect the weather, causing a slight warming; they also contain pollutants which is why the EPA in 2016 asked for authorization to regulate them, as it does ground level pollution. The trees and plants that are dying are doing so from industrial pollution mostly from fossil fuel emissions, which the chemtrails myth is designed to distract us from.

          • Dale..You’re a shill. Contrails always dissipate in Minutes. I recently watched 2 airliners near each other….one was emitting toxic chemtrails, no dissipation, the other emitting contrails dissipated in minutes. case closed.

          • Your crude insults demonstrate your lack of evidence and your personal degradation.

            Airliners do NOT fly close enough to each other to share the same atmospheric conditions, which can change from humid to dryer to change the probability of forming contrails That is why you will see a contrail (always at 30-40K altitude) form, then stop, then reform down the line as atmospheric conditions change.

            The only time you will see planes flying “close” is at very different altitudes, where atmospheric conditions are different. “You think you saw a plane at the exact same vertical level as yours, when in fact it was at least 300 metres (1000 feet) above or below your level. It can be very hard to judge differences in level for the untrained eye…”

            The case is closed about contrails which persist: it is an empirical fact.

            “Contrails are line-shaped clouds or “condensation trails,” composed of ice particles, that
            are visible behind jet aircraft engines, typically at cruise altitudes in the upper atmosphere1
            . Contrails have been a normal effect of jet aviation since its earliest days.
            Depending on the temperature and the amount of moisture in the air at the aircraft altitude, contrails
            evaporate quickly (if the humidity is low) or persist and grow (if the humidity is high). Jet
            engine exhaust provides only a small portion of the water that forms ice in persistent contrails.
            Persistent contrails are mainly composed of water naturally present along the aircraft flight path.
            How are aircraft emissions linked to
            contrail formation?
            Aircraft engines emit water vapor, carbon dioxide (CO2), small amounts of nitrogen oxides
            (NOx), hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, sulfur gases, and soot and metal particles
            formed by the high-temperature combustion of jet fuel during flight. Of these emittants,
            only water vapor is necessary for contrail formation. Sulfur gases are also of potential interest
            because they lead to the formation of small particles. Particles suitable for water droplet formation
            are necessary for contrail formation. Initial contrail particles, however, can either be already
            present in the atmosphere or formed in the exhaust gas. “

            “Vapour trail, also called Condensation Trail, orContrail, streamer of cloud sometimes observed behind an airplane flying in clear, cold, humid air. It forms upon condensation of the water vapour produced by the combustion of fuel in the airplane engines. When the ambient relative humidity is high, the resulting ice-crystal plume may last for several hours. The trail may be distorted by the winds, and sometimes it spreads outwards to form a layer of cirrus cloud.”

          • What a crock atmospheric conditions don’t change every few miles at 35,000 ft. Contrails like breath on a cold morning disappear. There would never be clear blue skies if contrails didn’t dissipate…You’re as convincing as Hillary saying the Benghazi attack was because of a Youtube video….go to your safe place and up your anti-psychotic meds.

          • Indeed they do, both from changing altitudes and inversions which change the amount of humidity, which is critical to the formation of contrails.

            Your crude insults reflect only on your own inability to discuss an issue rationally and with evidence….and your corrupt heart, which seeks to cause pain to those who challenge your cherished illusions. I take your insults as an admission of defeat on your part….and as a badge of honor.

          • They most certainly can according to the atmospheric scientists who study them, either by changing altitude or thru entering inversions. Your crude insults are a sad reflection on your lack of knowledge and decency.

          • Dale there is help for your extreme psychological and physical impairments…It’s the suicide assistance hotline…1-800–die-soon.

          • Anonymous Robrage, I live a happy life, full of joy and fulfillment. That is why the insults of sad individuals like you rolls off my back like water off a duck. If venting hatred is all you have to offer, perhaps YOU should seek help.

          • The test of air soil and water shows contamination from a century of fossil fuel and other industrial pollution. Normal contrails also contain contaminants, which is why the EPA asked for authorization in 2016 to regulate them

          • Nano Aluminum is not a natural metallic..It has to be processed.

          • Who said it was? I wrote: “The test of air soil and water shows contamination from a century of fossil fuel and other industrial pollution.”
            “Aluminum nanoparticles are used in a variety of applications, including but not limited to the following:
            Catalyst carrier
            Ceramic additives
            Ceramic-metal solder
            Combustion catalyst for solid or liquid propellent
            Conductive coatings
            Conductive pastes
            Crucibles used at high temperatures
            Electronic devices
            High thermal-conductivity materials
            Optical devices
            Integrated circuit components
            Preparation of composites of metal and polymer matrixes
            Sintering additives
            Thermal emission devices”


          • Impressive list with a glaring omission…Geo-Engineering spray.

          • Look up Occam’s razor, which is used in philosophy, logic, and science to accept as most likely explanations with the fewest assumptions. The list I provided gives ample evidence of why nano-aluminum shows up in air, water, an soil tests, since it is widely used in industry. Adding another assumption violates Occam’s razor, and violates the scientific principle that unproven theories cannot be used to explain phenomenon for which adequate explanations already exist.

          • Ron Gonshorowski | February 18, 2018 at 8:06 pm |

            FYI, DeSmogBlog has blocked me from commenting on their site.
            So I unsubscribed.
            I might use another email and a fake name to comment in the future but have not made that decision yet.

          • Yeah they’re blocking me too..Can’t handle a difference of opinion from the Censors R Us crew.

          • Ron Gonshorowski | February 19, 2018 at 11:10 am |

            You bet.
            I find some of your remarks to be way out next to the centerfield fence, but I will not complain about your right to say it.
            It makes for interesting thought.

          • I find some of your remarks to be over the fence but that’s Ok because it’s a home run for the good team. When your battling with bat shit crazy psychopaths is fun to make them even more psychotic.

      • lightingstrikesthrice | December 23, 2017 at 7:42 am |

        I agree with your assessment rhondareichel.

    • Let me guess… You also do not know or do not believe there is an artificial sun up there, right? Why on Earth would there be a sun simulator, right? Why would the gov not want us to know something is going on in the sky? Okay then, crawl back under your rock.

      • lightingstrikesthrice | December 23, 2017 at 7:51 am |

        Excellent observations Yvonne Forsman. Did you see the video of the sun ‘pulsing’ in Africa?

      • Keep guessing…I have no idea what you are talking about except you have a need to insult me. Sad.

      • gubbermunt trolls, there can be no doubt.

        • That’s a lie and I am sure you know it but it masks your inability to mount a rational response.

          • Grace by Faith | December 26, 2017 at 9:49 pm |

            Hypocrite (my empirical opinion of you on this thread)… this thread shows both you insulting people as well as you whining about people insulting you. And you still cannot prove contrails are just water vapor, can you? No, the gov says it’s so, so you believe it blindly, that’s what’s sad.

          • Now I see the problem: you think opinions are empirical. And you seem to insult me calling me a “hypocrite” while accusing me of “insulting people.”

            I can prove contrails are frozen jet emissions…’s not the government but atmospheric scientists who have explained this phenomenon.

            “Astronomer Bob Berman has characterized the chemtrail conspiracy theory as a classic example of failure to apply Occam’s razor, writing in 2009 that instead of adopting the long-established “simple solution” that the trails consist of frozen water vapour, “the conspiracy web sites think the phenomenon started only a decade ago and involves an evil scheme in which 40,000 commercial pilots and air traffic controllers are in on the plot to poison their own children.”[52]

            A 2016 study surveying 77 atmospheric scientists concluded that “76 out of 77 (98.7%) of scientists that took part in this study said there was no evidence of a [secret large-scale atmospheric program (SLAP)], and that the data cited as evidence could be explained through other factors, such as typical contrail formation and poor data sampling instructions presented on SLAP websites.” wiki (with primary sources).

            If you have evidence to refute the primary sources, please present it. If you have information that 99% of atmospheric scientists are fraudulent (from over 100 nations), please share it. And if you don’t, then you are working not from evidence but from faith.

            I don’t believe it; it’s an empirical fact: it is known and so requires no belief.

            What is sad is how confused and uneducated you are.

          • Grace by Faith | December 27, 2017 at 8:43 am |

            No, Dale, you don’t see the problem, and that’s the problem. You be well, no hard feelings, thanks for the interesting conversation. God bless you and yours and may he keep you healthy, happy, and safe ;-).

          • No, grace I see the problem: without any background at all in atmospheric science, you reject the science. May God provide enlightement to you and the other paranoids.

          • Grace by Faith | December 27, 2017 at 11:50 am |

            Edited: Thanks for the passive aggressive insult after I wished you well, but I reject your consensus science, and millions agree – it’s fallible now because consensus requires human interference and that creates possibility for contamination and/or bias – and we’ve all been programmed to be biased. And it requires faith in the “system” when most of us know the system is corrupt. The word, “cult” comes to mind. It is not science, it is masquerading as it, just as a foreign corporation is masquerading as our government (USA, Inc.)

            Here’s an example the “consensus science” Obama used to prove global warming, and I can’t remember the number so I’ll use an example: 4000 “scientists” hired (via contract, for money) for their opinion (not FACT) of the “science” of global warming. That’s the first chance of contamination. How do we know they didn’t choose those scientists because they were known to be sympathetic to the corporation’s agenda? We don’t, and they most likely are.

            So out of those 4000 hired to opine, 3880 of them gave a favorable opinion that global warming is real, which is 97%. And that “scientifically” morphs into “97% of scientists agree global warming is real”. Laughable, makes zero sense.

            You’re a smart man, think a little deeper and read your Bible because everything that’s happening now is in there. You should know this is a battle between good and evil, and you know Satan rules the world and is the father of lies, and you know our leaders are all corrupt, so please deduce the truth: You’ve been deceived.

            God bless you and yours. 😉 Aaaaaand scene.

          • An accurate diagnosis is required to heal. My son in law belongs to your cult and believes that the government, or someone, is doing the chemtrails to kill 6 billion people. He says he can prove chemtrails are real because when he sees them he gets sick..this is hypochondria, supported by his paranoia. He will never recover until he understands the pathological grounds of his fear and how it is making him sick.

            I do wish you well, and that will not come until you recognize that you
            are suffering not from contrails but from a myth devised, I suspect, to shift focus from what IS making us sick, fossil fuel pollution and other industrial waste. The history of cults shows that when evidence refutes their beliefs, they do not change their views but double down, so I don’t expect to see you alter your perspective, but I just wanted to know that pointing out your paranoid believes is not done out of malice but out of trying to shed light.

          • Grace by Faith | February 17, 2018 at 9:44 pm |

            Your failure to do your homework to find the plentiful substantive evidence to support your son’s belief that the foreign corporation masquerading as our government wants to depopulate earth down to 500,000 is why you’re still suffering from the very same Stockholm Syndrome as a majority of the population. You can’t handle the truth that the government is not only not benevolent, it’s exceedingly malevolent, and sees us as soon-to-be obsolete because they’ve pretty much taken everything they can.

            The cognitive dissonance you’ll feel in the beginning is much like paranoia, because the truth is unbelievably frightening when you see the big picture, but you’ll survive, and the more you learn about what’s really going on, and for how long it’s been going on, the easier it will be to process. Start with Googling “Eugenics” and then research the UN’s Agenda 2030. Paranoia requires delusion, so here’s just a few “delusions” regarding overpopulation (a lie, too) and population control from some lovely people:

            #1) The March 2009 U.N. Population Division policy brief…. “What would it take to accelerate fertility decline in the least developed countries?”

            #2) Microsoft’s Bill Gates…. “The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.”

            #3) Barack Obama’s top science advisor, John P. Holdren…. “A program of sterilizing women after their second or third child, despite the relatively greater difficulty of the operation than vasectomy, might be easier to implement than trying to sterilize men.

            The development of a long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin and removed when pregnancy is desired opens additional possibilities for coercive fertility control. The capsule could be implanted at puberty and might be removable, with official permission, for a limited number of births.”

            #4) George W. Bush’s science advisor Paul Ehrlich…. “Each person we add now disproportionately impacts on the environment and life-support systems of the planet.”

            #5) U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg…. “Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”

            #6) A United Nations Population Fund report entitled “Facing a Changing World: Women, Population and Climate”…. “No human is genuinely ‘carbon neutral,’ especially when all greenhouse gases are figured into the equation.”

            #7) David Rockefeller…. “The negative impact of population growth on all of our planetary ecosystems is becoming appallingly evident.”

            #8) Jacques Cousteau…. “In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day.”

            #9) CNN Founder Ted Turner…. “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”

            #10) Dave Foreman, Earth First Co-Founder…. “My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”

            #11) Prince Phillip, the Duke of Edinburgh…. “If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”

            #12) David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club…. “Childbearing [should be] a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license … All potential parents [should be] required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.”

            #13) Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger…. “The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”

            #14) Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger. Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. Page 12…. “Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”

            #15) Princeton philosopher Peter Singer…. “So why don’t we make ourselves the last generation on earth? If we would all agree to have ourselves sterilized then no sacrifices would be required — we could party our way into extinction!”

            #16) Thomas Ferguson, former official in the U.S. State Department Office of Population Affairs…. “There is a single theme behind all our work–we must reduce population levels. Either governments do it our way, through nice clean methods, or they will get the kinds of mess that we have in El Salvador, or in Iran or in Beirut. Population is a political problem. Once population is out of control, it requires authoritarian government, even fascism, to reduce it….”

            #17) Mikhail Gorbachev…. “We must speak more clearly about sexuality, contraception, about abortion, about values that control population, because the ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren’t enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage.”

            #18) John Guillebaud, professor of family planning at University College London…. “The effect on the planet of having one child less is an order of magnitude greater than all these other things we might do, such as switching off lights. An extra child is the equivalent of a lot of flights across the planet.”

            #19) Professor of Biology at the University of Texas at Austin Eric R. Pianka…. “This planet might be able to support perhaps as many as half a billion people who could live a sustainable life in relative comfort. Human populations must be greatly diminished, and as quickly as possible to limit further environmental damage.”

            #20) U.S. Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton…. “This year, the United States renewed funding of reproductive healthcare through the United Nations Population Fund, and more funding is on the way. The U.S. Congress recently appropriated more than $648 million in foreign assistance to family planning and reproductive health programs worldwide. That’s the largest allocation in more than a decade – since we last had a Democratic president, I might add.”

            #21) Clinton adviser Nina Fedoroff…. “We need to continue to decrease the growth rate of the global population; the planet can’t support many more people.”

            #22) The first of the “new 10 commandments” on the Georgia Guidestones…. “Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.”

          • Do you know what plagiarism is and why it is considered a crime?
            “The legal repercussions of plagiarism can be quite serious. Copyright laws are absolute. One cannot use another person’s material without citation and reference. An author has the right to sue a plagiarist. Some plagiarism may also be deemed a criminal offense, possibly leading to a prison sentence. “

            Slowing down the unprecedented increase in human population, led by the poorest nations where people live on $2 a day, by having birth control, healthcare, and a decent living standard (all prosperous nations voluntarily reduce birth rates to replacement or less than replacement) and women’s rights is something every decent and sane person supports. I will not respond to the stolen material you have failed to attribute. Shame on you.

      • If you’re in USA at high noon, phone friend in Europe who will see the sun setting, Phone friend in Japan who will see the sun rising. The only way that can be possible is earth is a globe.

        “Flat earth” is just another CIA conjured misdirection and confuxion of the public.

        “Gravity is a hoax”..?….Push a brick off a table and let your big toe explain how gravity is a hoax.

        The moon circles the earth and by its phases you can determine the position of the sun.

        I agree with conscious creation rather than haphazard, spontaneous accidental species occurrence but there is enough real evidence to show that we have to think MUCH bigger.

    • lightingstrikesthrice | December 23, 2017 at 7:41 am |

      I suggest to you to check out

  12. You’re losing me, AP. Let me rephrase. This offering is abysmal, and you are gone, gone, gone.

  13. What about the aliens? They are here you do know that – right?

  14. What I have never understood is why the Israeli Lobby has gotten involved in attacking James Tracy over the fake Sandy Hook. Why would they care enough to conduct a long time campaign. It is true that some of the parents and supposedly killed children were Jewish, but so what. Is the Israeli Lobby involved generally in all these false flags? Why would they be when the CIA and the other agencies are so heavily funded and staffed. Are they influential in the Florida university that fired James, as they are in other universities.
    It appears that the Israeli Lobby is strongly involved in domestic repression as well as mideast foreign policy, training the police and influencing state legislatures to fight the BDS boycott of Israel. Possibly now they also attack dissident faculty as well, making tenure largely a fraud.

Leave a comment