Science and Reason Takes Back Seat to 9/11 Official Story In Historic AIA Resolution Vote

By Bernie Suarez

In a historic vote delegates of the American Institute of Architects (AIA) overwhelmingly voted down Resolution 15-6 which called for AIA to support a new investigation of the destruction of World Trade Center building 7 on September 11th 2001. The resolution, which was introduced by AIA member Dan Barnum FAIA, was voted down overwhelmingly by a vote of 3892 – 160 meaning 96% of the delegates voted to ignore the science, the facts, and the evidence which is today common knowledge about the destruction of WTC 7!

That’s right. 96% of voting AIA delegates voted with intentions and goals outside the realm of science and reason. Could it be that to 96% of AIA delegates two planes CAN symmetrically destroy three massive towers at freefall speed through the path of most resistance? Can it be that to 96% of AIA voting delegates a 47-story state-of-the-art tower CAN disintegrate at freefall speed due to ordinary office fires? If this was really the case, would you trust these people to build the apartment building you live in or office building you work at?

The question all truth seekers and lovers of critical thinking, science and reason should be asking then is, why the overwhelming vote? As resolution introducer Dan Barnum explained afterwards:

We are a professional – not a political – organization. But in this case, if we vote “no” on this resolution, we are making a political decision, not a professional one. Thank you very much.

And Dan Barnum is quite correct here in that clearly these delegates are not voting with science and reason in mind, but with political interest instead. Perhaps they were afraid of the consequences of voting for the resolution. Very likely many of them had no understanding of the nature of the WTC collapse even as admitted by NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technologies). Many of them were propagandized by voices repeating WTC destruction theories including theories that even NIST has disavowed like the diesel fuel theories.


Anyone following the global political scene for any length of time, who is aware of the globalist plans for a new world order and aware of the long history of U.S. government/globalist false flag attacks should be taking notes to improve your knowledge of how these false flags are not only carried out but how they live on for many decades.

Many of us understand how the 9/11 false flag attack on America on September 11, 2001 was very well planned out. We have seen how the mainstream media and many ministries including almost every prominent news paper, magazine, TV, entertainment and news media network have all cooperated relentlessly with the censorship of 9/11 truth. The censorship we speak of IS the greatest story of 9/11. This is what our children and the younger generation should know. The censorship of 9/11 had to be secured and guaranteed BEFORE the event was pulled off. And like the great cooperation we’ve seen from the CIA-controlled Western media on the issue of 9/11, here we are 14 years later and the most influential organization representing Architects all over the country still submits to the 9/11 official story mind control ‘voodoo spell’ when it comes to voting for action to investigate the obvious controlled demolition of WTC 7.

OBSERVATIONS

The split between reality and fiction that divides those who think critically and those live for the control system and the rewards it hands them in this life could not be any greater. Unfortunately, this is where we are historically, and it is up to us to continue the great battle of information against the machine that is uniquely designed to deceive and enslave the masses.

It is up to us to face the reality that the globalist criminals which pulled off 9/11 would not have moved forward with the operation had they not had the assurance of censorship and cooperation from organizations like AIA. Anything less would probably have been a reason to delay the operation. Let’s remember it has been over 50 years since the murder of president John F. Kennedy and here we are and we still don’t have justice served on the murder.

This should serve as a reminder that these government false flags are not easy to overcome. They take many generations to overcome; and, thus, patience and persistence is required. The 9/11 truth movement has accomplished many things over the last 14 years. Most people in America today don’t believe the official story. There is probably no topic of government conspiracy which has been more written about, and has had more documentaries and movies made about it. Today the topic to many people is now old and forgotten, yet to this day we see the same level of top-notched censorship we saw in the early days after the event.

REMINDERS

The recent 96% AIA delegate vote against 9/11 truth is a reminder that whatever real gains we have with 9/11 or any government conspiracy and corruption issue will realistically be solved by resorting to solutions that start at the smallest level not at the higher levels. Let us also remember that perhaps this disappointing vote is a stepping stone to something much better down the road.

History has confirmed many times that the road to truth is always very long and difficult. The powers that be will fight to the end to hold onto their power, and the last thing they want in this case is for WTC 7 to be brought under a microscope by the mass majority of American people. They don’t want the obvious visual collapse to be scrutinized and brought into question and thus brought into the mass consciousness of the people.

This decision by AIA is also a reminder that 9/11 is a special issue in that the general public has been conditioned to accept the blind 9/11 official story pseudo-science without questioning it. The power of hypnosis is real as is the power of mass mind control. Let us be reminded that the truth of 9/11 for many Americans who were there is apparently still too difficult to face.

Sadly, for many who lived through the event and still believe the 9/11 official story (as we have seen with JFK), many of them will die never having understood the truth of 9/11. For this reason, as we grow and learn and as we slowly make government obsolete, as humanity continues to rediscover itself and awaken to the globalist (new world order) plans, the voices of those still asleep will increasingly be irrelevant. Their opinions are slowly becoming obsolete, their ad hominem logic, voodoo-like hypnotic Orwellian reasoning will slowly but surely join the ranks of retardation and psychopathy, no pun intended.

All of this serves to remind us that we live in a complex multi-dimensional world which I’ve written about before. Those still stuck in the 9/11 official story and those still believing in mainstream media government scripts do so because they receive the information in a single ‘linear’ dimension. Meaning when they hear mainstream media news, since they think in only one dimension, their brain cannot expand on the information to apply multi-dimensional critical thought and logic to the information. Instead the CIA psyop buzz phrase “conspiracy theory” blocks this process and they subsequently never get past the single-dimensional thinking process. Thus they fail to see the multi-dimensional component of the world they live in.

I’ve learned to account for this engineered mental deficiency in my own interactions with these people. I do not “debate” 9/11 truth with the remaining individuals who still believe the official story. In my opinion they really are slowly shifting to a category of human suffering from a mental disease. The disease is inflicted by a governmental control system which has employed its experiment on the masses for a long period of time using sophisticated media and mind control tactics and technology.

Truth really is realized and mass hypnosis, mind control and propaganda really is real. In order to see the reality of this, one must disengage from ones own ego and image of self and try to line yourself with simple truth. When you do this you will recognize that those who experienced 9/11 and still believe the official story really are suffering mentally even though they may be well-meaning people. (I’m not referring to people who haven’t actually seen the evidence I’m talking about those who do oppose the hard evidence after seeing it.) I do not believe however that it is proper to notify them of this reality because this reality will only be received as an insult (how could it not?). Instead learn how to separate the factual world you live in versus the interactive (people to people) world that surrounds you. As truth seekers we must interact with 9/11 official story believers in a way that sets aside your ego and hopefully pushes them toward the truth even if not immediately. As truth seekers we must also identify and acknowledge the proper level of mental functionality and clarity required for the topic so that we know how to best navigate our interactive skills with those around us.

SOLUTIONS

Finally, let’s continue thinking in multiple dimensions, acting in wisdom within the knowledge and understanding that we have about 9/11 and about global events today, because doing so will allow us to stay sharp, educated, remain realistic about the future and allow us to stay positive about the eventual outcome of our future. This positive outlook will in turn allow us to enjoy our current lives while we live. Enjoying our current lives while living in truth will thus allow us to push the growth of humanity in the direction of positive solutions. This is the overall goal after all. All solutions in my opinion must follow the Learning Trivium – First there is the Information and facts, then there is the Understanding which is the synthesizing of the information to be received in the proper context, and finally there is the Wisdom or action phase when truth seekers take action to change the world based on the understanding of the information they have. Let us therefore keep pushing the information which acts as a seed and spawns the first phase of the awakening and eventually the revolutionary action process which brings about change.

Bernie is a revolutionary writer with a background in medicine, psychology, and information technology. He has written numerous articles over the years about freedom, government corruption and conspiracies, and solutions. A former host of the 9/11 Freefall radio show, Bernie is also the creator of the Truth and Art TV project where he shares articles and videos about issues that raise our consciousness and offer solutions to our current problems. His efforts are designed to encourage others to joyfully stand for truth, to expose government tactics of propaganda, fear and deception, and to address the psychology of dealing with the rising new world order. He is also a former U.S. Marine who believes it is our duty to stand for and defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. A peace activist, he believes information and awareness is the first step toward being free from enslavement from the globalist control system which now threatens humanity. He believes love conquers all fear and it is up to each and every one of us to manifest the solutions and the change that you want to see in this world, because doing this is the very thing that will ensure victory and restoration of the human race from the rising global enslavement system, and will offer hope to future generations.

  • “….The disease is inflicted by a governmental control system….”

    People are suffering from the belief in “authority”.

    “Government” is a purely religious belief – a faith-based acceptance of a superhuman, mythological entity that has never existed and will never exist.

    The belief in “authority”, including all belief in “government,” is horrendously dangerous and destructive. The belief in “authority” dramatically impacts both the perceptions and the actions of various categories of people, leading literally billions of otherwise good, peaceful people to condone or commit acts of violent, immoral aggression. In fact, everyone who believes in “government” does this, though the vast majority does not realize it, and would vehemently deny it.

    THE MOST DANGEROUS SUPERSTITION
    by Larken Rose 2011

    • William Burke

      Right on, Larken!

  • n’awlins

    Agree with the Croc man. The sheeple have been literally programmed since birth to believe lies. They not only don’t know, they don’t WANT to know, and get very annoyed with any who wants to “wake them up”.

    • William Burke

      …”programmed to PREFER lies to truth,” you mean?

      • andy

        Pot,meet Kettle.

  • Harold Smith

    The corrupt U.S. “government” is merely a reflection of the corrupt U.S. citizenry. When tshtf, it won’t be “the government” shooting people down in the streets, it’ll be your corrupt neighbors.

    • Whole lot of truth to that. Government never wanted to disarm the populace…they wanted you to get so afraid that you would arm yourselves through the teeth, wind ya up with false belief systems about conservatives, liberals, politics, immigration, police brutality, homosexuality, pedophiles, Christianity, Muslims, and set you lose on each other. Government will come in looking like the good guys to do clean up. PSYOPS 101 Nothing more than an advanced Holy Roman Empire ashkeNazi Germany of sorts that regrouped under a NEW NAME

      • andy

        “ashkeNazi”,that’s really cute,jerkoff.

      • William Burke

        OH! I always wondered why I had guns! Thank you for straightening this out for me, you dumbshit liar.

  • mannymoe

    This vote was very sad…it allows false flag attacks to continue as the modus
    operandi of the ‘dark secret society’ and their paid minions. No one is safe in any building anywhere in the world if the AIA members accept the NIST report
    and ignore the basic laws of Physics…Thanks to the AIA members that drafted the resolution and to the few whom voted for the resolution for a new independent investigation. The credibility of the Architects whom voted against this resolution has been brought into question as to their judgement in
    designing buildings.

  • MM59

    I wonder if there was a single change to building codes after the WTC7 collapse?
    If not, that is the approach to take. If simple office fires took down Building 7, then building codes (fire stops, etc.) are insufficient and therefore need a major overhaul.
    Start recommending significant changes to their building codes (and costs of high rises) to improve “safety”, to ensure no other building subject to simple office fires collapse again, and maybe they will take the time to look at the data and change their vote.

    • Eileen Kuch

      WTC 7 didn’t collapse from simple office fires; it was demolished on purpose by the same Mossad saboteurs/murderers who did the same to WTC 1 and 2 hours earlier.
      American Free Press published an issue devoted solely to the 9-11 attacks, debunking the “official story” in April of 2005. Since then, alternative media websites have picked up on AFP’s exposures of the Crime Cabal behind the 9-11 attacks; so, the NIST report is, in fact, irrelevant. The ZOG’s story on those attacks has been exposed by many outlets as a LIE, and thus, debunked.

      • God doesn’t consider ashkeNAZIs or the Khazarian mafias to be Jewish. Was a brilliant plan while it worked unfortunately no rock goes un turned.

        • andy

          Mr.Pevehouse,tear down that Adolf Hitler poster on your wall.It’s alarming your friends and family.

          • For godsakes Andy…Who in the hell is Adolf Hitler?

            Just stare at it for awhile….it will calm ya down.

          • andy

            I have mine,thank you!

        • Eileen Kuch

          That’s because the Khazars (who had been pagans for centuries) all converted to Talmudic Judaism around 730 AD; thus, Ashkenazi Jews don’t descend from Abraham, as they so claim, and have NO ties to the Holy Land whatsoever.

          • andy

            Therefore,the Nazis accidentally murdered the wrong people!
            Happily,you can go through life admiring Hitler and seeing everything through a very warped prism.

          • Eileen Kuch

            I see, Andy, you haven’t gotten the memo from other posters on this thread about doing your research before spouting your propaganda.

          • andy

            Research?!? The work of mentally deficient fools??!! Only an idiot gets sucked into the “Adolf Hitler was Heroic” tar pit.

            And you are a charter member of that Festival of Fools.

            I feel sorry for you.It’s not as if there are many else of y’all out there to meet and greet.You would have to be the president of the Really Lonely Batshit Stupid Gang.

          • yep

          • Eileen Kuch

            Absolutely.

          • William Burke

            Yep. True.

        • William Burke

          Absolutely; they have less connection to Abraham, Moses, or David than does the late Haile Selassie, who was a direct descendant of King Solomon. They are FAKE JEWS, and they RULE ISRAEL, and real Jews and Ethiopian Jews are third-class citizens in IsraHELL.

          • andy

            Yea,I guess your mates Adolf,Reinhard Heydrich and Eichmann were so addled on pills that they murdered millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of them non-Jews and left the real ones standing.
            Happily,you’re comfortably nestled into a snug bunker with Hitler,Goebbels and the crew,plus Islamic State savages,David Duke and Saddam Hussein.What a claim to fame,hey there tiger?

      • andy

        There goes Eilleen again! There’s just no stopping her.Her go-to websites:all virulent Jew haters,replete with historical lies and nutty suppositions.American Free Press,Veterans Today,the nutjob Hitler fan at Tomato Bubble who’s an expert on ovens.
        What’s next,David Irving proved that the moon landing was a hoax?

      • MM59

        I know WTC 7 was demolished by someone. But this AIA group, by voting the way they did, seem to think it did.
        Therefore our current building standards are inadequate.

        Call for changes to their building codes (to ensure it never happens again) and watch them change their tune.

        • andy

          You don’t know anything,Goober.You’ve only been herded into a cult with misinformation,lies and nutty nonsense,easily disproven.
          Dollars to donuts you toppled over the cliff when you fell for the “pull it” shenanigans.
          Building codes and practices have been tightened in the aftermath of that day.

          • MM59

            Goober?

          • andy

            Oops,I mistook you for your genius twin brother,Elmer.You know,the one who can’t peck and poke out an intelligent sentence.
            Larry confessed,right Elmer?

          • MM59

            Elmer?

          • andy

            No,Loser.

          • jerry

            Architects and engineers have shown us the truth void of any Gordon Duff input you suffer from NLP ..if your clueless of what it stands for LOOK IT UP

          • andy

            Yea,a relatively few,as the vote tells us.Way to misuse Plato.The really pertinent Plato allegory is the one about the cave,where things aren’t as they seem.Case in point ,the collapse of #7,which RESEMBLES a demolition but is nothing of the kind.

            I kust knew it was some personality defect that led me to actually do my due diligence on this story and not be cowed by a cult mentality.
            Thank the Good Lord for building me that way.

            Now you,on the other hand get excited by the most ridiculous balderdash.
            I hope you at least figure out that #7 wasn’t blown up by Larry and the FDNY.

            You go,Jer.

          • William Burke

            Gordon Duff = Government agent.

          • andy

            Billie Burke=believes,like nutty Duff,that #7 was demolished by Larry.

          • William Burke

            You suck at your job, Andy. What do they do to trolls that don’t make the grade in your line of work? Where do I send the flowers?

          • andy

            Spend the money on a geisha girl,you need one.

        • Eileen Kuch

          On that day, a BBC reporter announced the collapse of WTC 7 while that building was still standing. I suppose she didn’t get the memo from the studio producers.
          WTC 7 was “pulled”, to destroy all evidence the CIA had offices inside and loads of secret documents.

          • andy

            Mistake,it happens all the time with live news coverage.

            The FDNY had created a perimeter (pulled everyone away from the building) because they were sure the building would fall.

            This really isn’t hard stuff.Why are you stuck on it?

            That really is the question.

            When you fell for the “pull it” lie you were ruined.

          • Doug Stevens

            Of course it was a mistake!
            But imagine if bookies were involved and such clear evidence of game tampering
            slipped through?

          • andy

            C’mon man,that’s just silly.The scuttlebutt around Ground Zero after 2 P.M. was that the building was going to collapse.The FDNY had created a perimeter by 4 P.M.News groups were undoubtedly aware of that.It was obviously an error by the reporter.It’s not even close.

            The odds are that you want to believe what you believe because it’s more exciting,How else to explain your denial of easily discernable things like this.

            Forget #7.It wasn’t demolished and it’s obvious.You do have to think it through,though.

          • Doug Stevens

            Just for the record, I’ve been in engineering for decades, if not centuries. There is absolutely NO way
            that #7 could drop like that without guillotining ALL the columns at multiple levels.

            You can clamour, ridicule and vilify all you want – 3000 people were murdered in an operation that were
            planned for weeks by (people) who had around the clock walk-in access to those buildings. Anything else is just fkg bullsht. You know it – everybody knows it.

          • andy

            Then how come no explosions were heard as the building collapsed?

          • Doug Stevens

            You already supplied the answer above. . .
            “The FDNY had created a perimeter by 4 P.M.”

          • Albury Smith

            Try “guillotining” even one W14 X 730 column secretly. 11 of the 24 core columns in WTC 7 were that size, as were the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core, i.e. 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 in^2 cross-sectional areas. Ask Box Boy Gage and his “more than 2300 [9/11 crackpots]” to make a video of it with audio.

          • Doug Stevens

            5” Thick steel flange ! ??…… What,…. are we going back to
            furnisher fire to disintegrate that beam?

            Who is the crackpot?

            O.k… to spoon feed – Obviously the cuts were not done by
            strapping a singular 10kg bomb at each guillotining site on the beams.

            Perforation, combined with thermal destabilization, of the beam by a chain of shaped micro charges…..muffled by . . sand bags (?) How difficult is that to conceive and implement?

            Any way, many reports of explosions from survivors were in fact “muffled” by our ‘trusted’ reality sanitizers.

          • andy

            What’s “furnisher”?

          • Doug Stevens

            That flimsy stuff – carpets, paper, plastic, furniture, etc.

            Lotta smoke and flames, no real heat – very much like you.

          • Albury Smith

            I simply suggested that your 9/11 “experts” re-create this “perforation, combined with thermal destabilization, of the beam [W14 X 730 COLUMN] by a chain of shaped micro charges…..muffled by . . sand bags” on video, with audio. Wouldn’t you like to see how many tri-axle truckloads of sand bags per column would be needed to muffle charges powerful enough to sever 215 in^2 of structural steel? Fires fueled by plain old office furnishings easily reduce the yield strength of steel by 80%, and when building columns of any size are left with no lateral support for 7 or 8 stories, they inevitably buckle.
            I’m sure the Local 40 & 361 ironworkers who cut up and shipped out the 100s of 1000s of tons of debris steel from the three collapsed WTC hi-rises during the ~8 months of site cleanup would be especially interested in seeing all of the micro charge signatures they missed.
            Talk’s cheap — go for it.

          • Doug Stevens

            O.k . . . you, and the rest of the gang of government cover-up trolls, pack some furnishings around 24 (W14 X 730) columns interconnected in a steel frame lattice where vertical connections on the columns are no more than 2.7m intervals.

            You then make a video to show us all how big the fire will be to begin to buckle the columns of 215 sq/inch cross area steel.

            Then, please, proceed to show us all, on video with audio, the inferno level required to suddenly collapse the entire lattice frame into its own foot print.

            Try to find all the available footage of the fire in the building, on that day, to determine where the actual damage occurred.

            In all of high rise building history your “furnisher fire induced column buckle and collapse” scenario have never occurred . . . except on that fateful day. It will be interesting to see the not so great misdirection troll “Albury Smith” replicate that.

          • Albury Smith

            You want to know “how big the fire will be to begin to buckle the columns of 215 sq/inch cross area steel,” even though no one is claiming that fire buckled any W14 X 730 columns. Your 9/11 crackpots ARE claiming that explosives or incendiaries secretly cut them multiple times. BIG difference.

          • Doug Stevens

            From your previous comment:
            ….”Fires fueled by plain old office furnishings easily reduce the yield strength of steel by 80%, and when building columns of any size are left with no lateral support for 7 or 8 stories, they inevitably buckle.”…….

            YOU!!…..are the one who claimed that the columns ….”will inevitably buckle”!!
            There is absolutely no requirement to prove that strategically placed explosives will bring down a building. There is absolutely no requirement to prove that shaped charge technology is sophisticated and powerful enough for no-fuss, clean severing of the beams and columns. Any form of sonic dampening, if even required, will obliterate and dissipate in the dust cloud.

            The onus remains on YOU to prove that ….”plain old office furnishings easily reduce the yield strength of steel by 80%”….. and then cause the entire structure to collapse into its own foot print.

            YOU….. and your other troll buddies are showing yourselves to be the REAL CRACKLING CRACKPOTS!!
            Not because of your stupid, useless arguments but because you are trying to defend that bunch of insane psycho-freaks who committed this dastard act of terrorism.
            THEY are the absolute most vulgar fckng SCUM crawling around on this planet! THE most vulgar fckng SCUM!

          • Albury Smith

            The fires in WTC 7 did not directly cause col. 79 to buckle; they caused the floors around it to collapse, and it buckled from loss of lateral support as a result. You & your 9/11 crackpots claim that it and many other massive columns were secretly cut with explosives or incendiaries multiple times, and I simply want to see how that’s done to ONE column with 4.91″ flanges, a 3.07″ web, and a 215 in^2 cross-sectional area. ONE cut will do — on video, with audio.
            Thanks in advance.

          • Doug Stevens

            I have a measure of sympathy for your tenacious insistence on the most absurd explanation for that surprisingly abrupt and complete implosion of such a staunchly constructed construction.

            Perhaps your psycho-freak employers might become irritated with your abject incompetence in conjuring up a more refined verbiage to weave your misdirection.
            Will they withhold your remuneration?….or do you expect something more daunting?

            They must be quite a terrifying bunch to have the majority of the American Institute of Architects quiver and quake in their soiled trousers.

            But….. . . I will take up your challenge! Entirely, of course, depending on how I will approach my grandma for finances to fund the experiment. Another quiver and quake in soiled trousers type of task, I have you know. Ummm, perhaps some funding from your psycho-freak employers?. . . . . . . I guess not.

            In the mean time please have a look at a previous, albeit partly botched, terrorist operation performed by your psycho-freak employers to see what happens to a building when only a small number of columns are compromised. This will be some “Murray” building in Oklahoma. Check out the pictures. . . . .quite revealing!

          • Albury Smith

            If you think “architects quiver and quake in their soiled trousers,” try your unscientific nonsense on the structural engineers in the ASCE, SEI, NCSEA, SEAoNY, etc.
            There are huge differences in framing layout between the Murrah Building and WTC 7, so it’s extremely foolish to compare their collapses. Few to no hi-rise buildings have your Sacred Tower’s ~52′ beam spans, ~47′ girder spans, asymmetry, and simple 4-bolt gravity connections to all core columns.

          • Doug Stevens

            ANY and ALL structural engineers who are even remotely entertaining
            the possibility of office fire causing obliteration of WTC7 absolutely had to
            get their “degree” from the ACME univizzity of Wily Coyote.

            Yes, WTC7 is a “Sacred Tower” as the memory of its destruction stands as a flaming icon to the deranged, psychotic dysfunction of your vile, treacherous terrorist employers.

          • Albury Smith

            You’ve just libeled almost every structural engineer in the entire world. Try your unscientific garbage on the SEs in the ASCE, SEI, NCSEA, SEAoNY, etc. if you want to see what nearly 100% rejection looks like. A handful of nutty architects is to be expected.

          • Doug Stevens

            “ASCE, SEI, NCSEA, SEAoNY, etc” are
            obviously populated by individuals whose certifications are printed on toilet
            paper.

          • Albury Smith

            Even you can’t be that stupid.

          • Doug Stevens

            The sick irony is that your, and your employers’, absurd scenario
            on the collapse of #7 could only enter into the realms of possibility if that
            building was designed and constructed by the most useless, incompetent
            imbeciles around.

            But even then, you will still be left with a large, crumpled and buckled mound of distorted structural materials. Not this abrupt and complete implosion that we see.

            Go spread your crap somewhere else.

          • William Burke

            Troll, it was SO OBVIOUSLY DEMOLISHED. You are ineffectual; your bosses might be offing you soon. Please take care.

          • andy

            No,you’ve been so obviously demolished.It resembles,somewhat,a demolition without the loud explosions.It even toppled to the south as its collapse finished.Exactly in tune with the structural damage on the lower 10 or 15 floors after the blow from #1’s collapse.
            In other words,in actuality:not even close.

            Without the inflammatory craven lies about “pull it”,”a few small fires” and “no plane hit it” this story goes nowhere and qualifies as a curiosity.

          • William Burke

            They were “sure it would fall” BECAUSE THEY WERE SO INFORMED. Have you EVER looked at footage of WTC 7? It was BARELY ON FIRE, and in a most suspicious manner… fires that were clearly SET to provide a flimsy excuse for it’s collapse, which was prophetically announced just before it fell.

            What are you, troll, fool, or both?

          • andy

            So the FDNY is in on the murder of 343 of its men?

            It was heavily involved in fire,as any dunce who’s read the oral testimonies and searched for all footage of the building as it burned would know.

            You’re still stuck on the footage and pictures of #7 from the north side which your rotten misleading cult emphasizes and then lies about.

            Actually,I’m your superior and you insist that I’m an agent because you’re getting shellacked.
            A familiar refrain.

          • Albury Smith

            “Loads of secret documents” and no electronic backup? I thought Larry Silverstein did it so he could lose all of his long-term tenants and cash flow for years and have to rebuild it.

          • Eileen Kuch

            Actually, Albury, it was for both reasons – to destroy all evidence the CIA had offices and loads of secret documents inside, as well as Silverstein collecting a $7 billion insurance payoff after the destruction of all three WTC buildings.

          • Albury Smith

            The insurance settlement was $4.68 billion, so you don’t even have that right. Since you love to drink the 9/11 “truth movement” Kool-Aid, ask Box Boy* and his “more than 2100 [9/11 crackpots]” to show you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 sq in cross sections of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
            http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png
            If they ever HAD TO do it, this “debate” would be OVER.
            *Box Boy’s ONLY 9/11 “research”:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM

          • William Burke

            AMAZING PAYDAY! The three building he insured were the only ones to fall, the only three steel-structure buildings to ever collapse because of fire all happened within a few hours on the same calendar day!

          • andy

            Yet more weak brew from El Foldo.
            He couldn’t have acquired the lease to the buildings without anti-terrorism insurance.Since 1993 those towers were a target and he couldn’t get the loan without the insurance.

          • William Burke

            Silverstein did NOTHING, government troll. He was tipped off by someone about the impending attack, so he he could cash in on it big time. His knowledge does not go further than that.

            Both towers were substantially empty of tenants on 9/11, many having been evicted so that the wiring of the buildings for demolition could be carried out. You should investigate, not castigate: there were ENTIRE FLOORS that were vacant.

            Both towers were built with asbestos insulation in 1970-71. The mitigation of this would have probably cost Silverstein in excess of 2 billion dollars. So he insured them against disaster instead.

          • Albury Smith

            There was no ACM in the South Tower or WTC 7, and only the bottom 38 floors of the North Tower ever had any, most of which had been removed during tenant fit-outs prior to 2001. The towers were also ~96% occupied in 2001. Silverstein’s insurance payments didn’t even cover 1/2 of his 9/11-related losses.
            You’re just plain fos.

          • andy

            Ha! Good points,as usual Albury! Good to see you here.My computer has been on the fritz,just getting back at it.
            This sap Burke is so transparent and phony that I feel bad watching him set himself up on a tee.He’s so dim that he’s going on about “kerosene” and “melting steel”,and encouraging newbies to see “Loose Change”,d’oh! “Did You see that flash as the planes hit?”, “and what about that bump under the fuselage of #175”.
            He’s an instant savant,expert on all things Jewish and construction.How do we just know he was on about the Van Allen radiation belts and Stanley Kubrick while assuring us that the moon landing was a hoax?

          • Albury Smith

            They walk among us… 😉

          • andy

            Nutty Burke just cannot figure that Silverstein wouldn’t be able to secure a loan to buy the Trade Center without anti-terrorism insurance,in light of the 1993 bombing.

          • Albury Smith

            …not to mention the fact that his creditors forced him to carry higher limits, and he STILL lost billions on 9/11.

          • andy

            Plus,go along with the premeditated murder of 100’s of friends,business acquaintances and associates at the buildings that day.

        • William Burke

          I like that.

      • andy

        Eileen,who reads dodgy articles at every known Jew hater site has to be the easiest mark on the planet.
        I sure hope her guide dog steers her away from any three card Monte games because she’s liable to bet the farm on the sure losers that she just knows are winners.

      • andy

        Eileen,the fact is that anyone who isn’t a gullible sap figured out that American Free Press,along with your other favorite nutjobs at Tomato Bubble and Veterans Today are known haters without a scintilla of credibility except in the minds of,well,gullible saps.
        You guys love to refer to “research”,which you suppose is typing in words to google,well how about you research groups like the Barnes Review and Willis Carto,not to mention Kevin Barrett Jim Fetzer and Gordon Duff,Holocaust Deniers all.
        All of them card carrying crackpots who have been exposed as charlatans and liars.

        • Doug Stevens

          Andy, they are not holocaust “deniers”! They are quite familiar with the ghastly holocaust that was
          perpetrated by the jews in Russia, Ukraine, etc.

          It is only the atrocious, scandalous lying of the German hating jews that is being questioned. Particularly
          since the German haters supply NO evidence apart from Hollywood movies and other clearly forged, fake and fraudulent fabrications.

          • andy

            No evidence for the Holocaust of the European Jews during WWII?

            Have your head examined and hit the goddamned library,simpleton.Or are you so addled that the library is a conspiracy?

          • Doug Stevens

            You mean the (fake) “diary of Anne Frank” ? . . . ha ha ha!

            Or bullsht stories from that lying, creepy Eli Weizel critter?

            No, we want real evidence –
            not from pathological haters of German people or functionally psychopathic liars.

          • andy

            Doug the Mug,you really are a card!

          • William Burke

            Andy, Andy. The “Diary of Anne Frank” is a forgery.

          • andy

            Ten minutes with you at this thread and you’ve amply revealed yourself to be a total nutjob.
            So,the Holocaust indeed is historical fact but Anne Frank is a hoax?

            That sound we just heard was you falling face first into the pachysandra.

            OOF! That’s gotta hurt!

          • William Burke

            Doug, you’ve been duped by yourself. The Holocaust was 100% real. Only it was exaggerated for maximum effect by the Azkenazi “Jews” for maximum political leverage….

          • Doug Stevens

            Save it William! The hatred displayed against the German nation through decades of blatant lying and misrepresentation is now exposed through authentic historical data.

            The Holocaust of the Second World War is the fact that it happened and all participating nations suffered except those who actually created an enemy in Germany by publicly declaring war on Germany in 1933.

            After all the disgustingly vulgar lying and deceit from jewish media is assayed from the truth then, compared to Stalin, Trotsky, Roosevelt, Churchill and a gaggle of zio-banker psycho-freaks, Hitler turns out to be an honest to goodness saint!

          • andy

            Another county heard from.This one in the Hitler column!

            St. Adolf sure has a goofy ring to it,hey Doug! Honest to goodness.

            Your second paragraph is a doozy!!

    • Albury Smith

      The NIST WTC investigations resulted in 40 revisions to the 2008 and 2012 I-Codes, compared to none from ae911″truth,” which still hasn’t done any investigation.

      • William Burke

        You’re the hottest troll I’ve seen so far this month! Each WTC tower was designed to withstand TWO hits from a 700-class jetliner.

        What happened to tens of thousands of 5′ steel filing cabinets? 41 escalators? 14,000+ chairs and steel desks? Please explain in your most cogent voice, trollhead.

        • Albury Smith

          It must’ve been those secret explosives again…

          • andy

            Nutty Burke thinks you’re hot!!

          • Albury Smith

            Nutty’s in for a disappointment — Brian Good’s been my bitch for years:
            http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/politics/american-institute-of-architects-to-reconsider-wtc-7-collapse/article/432237
            Isn’t he precious? :-))

          • andy

            Awesome! Even before clicking on your link I’m getting a rush.
            Under his alias “Ace Acme” (he’s got a raft of those AKA’s) months ago on a thread that you weren’t allowed to enter a few of us gave him such a hellacious blistering that he devolved into blurting things like “the people in the floors above the impacts were too lazy to clamber down the stairs,as the fires were truly wimpy”.
            I swear he said that (you could look it up by clicking on my name and going back to a Raw Story thread on 9/11).Yes,I know that would be laborious but Brian’s pathology and arrogance were on full,flamboyant display that week!

            I love it when he accuses people of “making up facts”.You can’t make up stuff that stupid.

            Don’t you get a kick out of the fact that there’s always one goof who pipes in with the “pull it” lie?

          • Albury Smith

            Don’t you just love him? He claimed that NIST timed the tower collapses in 9 and 11 seconds respectively, and when I told him they didn’t, this was his reply:
            “They must have timed it because they gave us a time. Are you trying to claim
            that if they didn’t sharew theor methodoloigyt then they didn’t give us a time?
            They gave us a time. It’s on p. 33.”
            His mom should’ve turned off the basement lights long before he got to the “sharew theor methodoloigyt” part.
            Shortly before that he told me that F varies inversely with m in Newton’s Second Law. He’s adorable.

  • TheUprising

    9-11, forever known as the day Truth died.

  • Abe

    I guess fire can melt steel!!

    • William Burke

      Apparently, black smoke can melt steel.

      • Abe

        I stand corrected! You’re right!

        • William Burke

          Hey… everybody is, now and then!

      • Albury Smith

        Apparent from what? NO steel melted in any NIST WTC hi-rise collapse hypothesis.

        • William Burke

          You REALLY are deficient when it comes to identifying clear and obvious sarcasm. Too white, or too old?

          • Albury Smith

            Both too old and too white, but I assumed that only the “black smoke” part was sarcasm. Is black smoke indicative of a “cool fire” too, or do you have more sense than the average 9/11 truther nut?

          • William Burke

            Yep, black smoke = fire starved for fuel. And I refuse to respond to your “9/11 truther nut” pejorative, which is CIA-inspired. I’m 67 and conspicuously lacking in stupidity. Usually.

            There is NOTHING “stupid” about seeking the truth. Wise up, dipshit.

          • Albury Smith

            There’s definitely something stupid about your “black smoke = fire starved for fuel” nonsense.

          • andy

            This guy’s more feckless than most cultists.He seems to be stuck in a time warp on a couch upstate rolling reefers with Korey and Dylan.

          • Albury Smith

            Didn’t the Loose Change punks get out of the troofer business?

          • andy

            Jason Bermas is undoubtedly apprehensive about showing his face in public.Not too long a go he was a big cheese down at Alex Jones’ crazy factory.

            Korey Rowe has been a cipher for years now and the fact that he’s a military veteran and was literally in the Army when he “produced” the video makes his provenance highly suspect.

            Dylan Avery has now winnowed his conspiracy brief down to “there are unanswered questions,let’s leave it at that”.A long,far,precipitous cry from pods,flashes and the Cleveland Airport

          • Albury Smith

            They’ll always be despicable. I still remember Bermas repeatedly calling Jim Miegs of PopMech a “liar” during a recorded “debate” the Loose Change creeps were totally unqualified to be in. He did a nice tap dance around accusing the FDNY of his C/D fantasies too. What a stinking pos…

          • Albury Smith

            How are massive fires consuming all of the contents in furnished and occupied office hi-rises “starved for fuel,” pray tell? Are oil well, airliner, and tanker truck fires all “starved for fuel” too?

          • William Burke

            Firefighters in the North and South towers reported most fires were WELL UNDER CONTROL before both fell from demolition felled them, killing hundreds of them.
            No number of lies from the deceived or complicit will change the fact that STEEL OFFICE TOWERS HAVE NEVER COLLAPSED due to fire alone!

          • Albury Smith

            No firefighters reached the floors where the main fires were, so people who weren’t inside the towers were much better judges of their severity:
            https://sites.google.com/site/911stories/accountsoftowerstructuralinstabilityande
            Plenty of steel-framed buildings have collapsed solely from fire:
            https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/firesafetyengineering%26theperformanceofst
            and these were the most severe fires that most FDNY had ever seen:
            http://www.debunking911.com/Fire.jpg

          • Albury Smith

            Massive building fires “WELL UNDER CONTROL” in an hour or so when no firefighters could even reach them? Andy’s certainly right about you…

          • andy

            Nutty Burke is thick enough to try the ol’ “fires alone” jitterbug.How can he pride himself as a truth warrior when he tries to disappear two big jumbo jets?

            Do you suppose he’s a ‘no-planer’ deep down?

          • Albury Smith

            Typical troofer…

    • andy

      No,but it can weaken it and precipitate a collapse.

      • Abe

        And the friction is what caused the five thousand plus degrees of molten metal in the pit for weeks.

        • andy

          Molten metal.What kind of metal is the question.I would love it of the Controlled Demolition Cult could dig up more about that,because it is intriguing.

          • Abe

            CULT??? Like Jim Jones??

          • andy

            Not quite as bad,but a cult nonetheless.

            You can tell by the refusal to consider anything but the sacred precepts and the idolatry towards a Sacred Tower.The real give away is the apoplexy when you present an alternative to the precepts:”You’re an agent”,”you’re a shill”,”you’re brainwashed”.

            Ironic indeed,because if anybody in this world is brainwashed it’s the Controlled Demolition Cult who sit there and watch the buildings collapse over and over and over and over and over………….

          • Abe

            I just observe what I see and draw a conclusion. Bill was right about the smoke. I’ve heard the last 10 minutes of the lives of several fire crews over the walkie talkies fighting the 2 small fires in the stair ways on the 82nd and 83rd floors, and were starting to evacuate victims. As far as the heat source goes, I have no idea. That’s why they need to spend money like they did on Slick Willies blow job (38M) instead of the 800K that they did.

            What I see from you is a lot of nothing. My conclusion is your not a very nice person.

            BTW I was in a marine crash crew and 30 years high rise construction. Also, those planes had either JP-7 or maybe JP-8 as a fuel which has a higher flash point and lower burn temp that kerosene.

          • andy

            What about my not a very nice person?

            You see a lot of nothing because that’s what you want to see,turkey.
            BTW,I don’t believe you.

          • Abe

            I see a name calling, blow hard propagandist! LOL Prove me right!

          • andy

            Not an inch of propaganda in any thing I say,unlike your crew who inhale the stuff daily,never vet the sources and then spew it out like instant geniuses.
            Funny,when your cult calls people names like “shill”,”agent” “liar” you love it but when you get your sorry rear end handed to you (PLUS facts and relevant links) you fold like a cheap card table.
            Avoid #7,it’s melting your beams.

          • Abe

            I guess you proved me right.
            9/11: A Conspiracy Theory
            is this what ewe believe?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

          • andy

            “Three buildings with two planes”.How stupid do you have to be to use that argument.

          • TheUprising

            Yeah silly boy we would never see you calling names would we?
            Typically tack of your kind. Do excessively what you blame others for. Really, a moron who actually believes the official story, with not a lick of science or common sense in his head. How droll, and how symptomatic.

          • Abe

            So ewe think the Road Runner hit the twin towers?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrOrDQflR44

          • andy

            Interesting,you’re a no-planer.

          • Abe

            I think your tribe of lemmings are calling, and want you to lead them to the sea!!

          • andy

            OK,so you prefer fiction to non-fiction.You’re a very human being.

          • TheUprising

            Why you hounding a lady saying true things? Building 7 was a controlled demolition. WTC was a controlled demolition. The buildings could not have fell as the story goes, scientifically impossible. Anyone who saw the main towers fall and who knows about controlled demolition knew exactly what they were looking at. A Jewish lightning job, performed with the aid of local authorities and the owner of the building. At the same time, the move gives, without a vote or appeal to the people, a facelift to old buildings that were becoming an eyesore to NYC, and jacked-up rent possibilties for a Twin Towers that was only routinely half rented out. Also, the move accomplished the task of blaming the Muslim Scourge and so generating more hate and support for illegal bombings and financings of wars instigated by Soros types against countries which refuse to play Banker Ball and the Cell Phone game.

            If you believe the official story, you are one of the brainwashed twits the powers that be rely on to continue their illusions, one of the suckers easily swayed by appearance over reality, a propaganda vacuum sucking at high speed.

          • andy

            Cute,you racist jerkoff.Why would you brag about being as dumb as a bag of hammers and a Hitler admirer?
            Not a single demolition professional has supported your retarded twaddle.Indeed,just the opposite.No loud explosions were heard,felt or registered as #7 collapsed.
            Sad that you turned out to be such a gullible sap.You better start checking your sources because you don’t have a clue

            You’re good for buying ugly black T-shirts from the insane little fat guy down in Austin,Texas,and that’s about it,dumbass.

          • TheUprising

            Hitler, saved Germany from starvation. Paid off all the money owed to the crooks in Europe for WWI. Deleted the (Jewish) bankers completely. Had millions doing his bidding for him, I call that “great man.” As for admirer, not so much.

            As for the rest of your “I s*ck government c*ck” diatribe, please, you are one of about half the world stupid enough to buy the 9-11 official fairy tale. What you spew out is neither novel nor enlightening. Scientifically, you speak without knowing what you speak about.

            It was controlled demolition. We would have known that had not the pre-ordered cleanup crew been handily on the scene to remove all the evidence from public view. Several teams of “workers” were seen in and out of empty rentals and in the elevator shafts. Several photos exist showing the diagonally-cut beams. The towers were designed to withstand the impact of a 747, specifically. Plus, NO BUILDING EVER has fell that way from fire or any other means, straight down. There is simply not enough weight at the top to accomplish this…UNLESS you blow out the support beams in sequence, exactly as was done…just like in Building 7. We call it controlled demolition, and we call you, an uneducated, loudmouth, brainwashed monkey-minded galley slave and spokesman for the state.

          • andy

            You do a lousy job denying that you admire Hitler,dogboy.
            And those beams were cut by oxyacetylene torches during the clean-up.Unless you think the clean up crew was part of the conspiracy.

        • Albury Smith

          1400 F was the highest recorded temperature in the debris pile, and no explosive or incendiary known to mankind keeps any metal molten for months or even one hour.

      • urnidiot

        never did before, never has since.

        • andy

          And huge towers have never been smashed into by jumbo jets full of gasoline,steel beams,debris and set on fire in such a way.

    • Albury Smith

      No one except 9/11 truther nuts thinks any steel melted to cause a WTC hi-rise collapse.

      • Abe

        Only a cerebral Leprechaun would believe the “Official” Conspiracy theory. I guess the firemen just made that shit up?

        • andy

          You mean about #7? What they say about that clinches it:no controlled demolition at that one.

  • tomb215

    I have to wonder how many of the members of this AIA club rely on government for funding and/or contracts. Maybe not the individual member them self but the company or clients they work for. And then there’s the possibility the members fear that painting a target on themselves might mean retaliation being direct their way by different governmental agencies.

    • Howie j

      I think you just hit the nail on the head.

    • Albury Smith

      Don’t Box Boy’s “more than 2300 [9/11 crackpots]” also “rely on [the US] government for funding and/or contracts,” or are they all privately funded or independently wealthy? The 3892 – 160 count represents 160 more affirmative votes than ae911″truth” would get from the ASCE, NCSEA, SEI, or SEAoNY, so count this as a victory. No one with any knowledge of this subject really cares what architects think of forensic structural engineering issues anyway.

  • Archie1954

    I know that science provides us with the truth that the 9/11 tragic incident could never have occurred as the government said it did. However I was most perturbed by Obama, Ms. Clinton and the rest of their egregious team sitting in front of a video player watching with baited breath while a human being was assassinated by their paid killers, knowing full well that if they silenced him, the true story of 9/11 would never be told from the horse’s mouth! That really was an eye opener.

    • bonnielou

      Which human being assassinated are you referring to, please?

      • Archie1954

        Osama bin Laden, the only man that had the truth of 9/11 in his head!

  • andy

    How ironic,Mr. Suarez can’t take the time to read the oral testimonies in their entirety,while attacking all and sundry for lacking the ability to reason.
    Wonders never cease with the Controlled Demolition Cult!
    Having all the relevant facts at your disposal helps one reason and discern the truth,right Bernie? Or are you gullible enough to suppose that Saint David Ray Griffin wouldn’t cherry pick some of them to lead you down leafy lane?

    Why do you totally ignore the crucial information contained in the FDNY testimonies?

    Put it this way:not a single fireman says there were loud explosions AS the building (#7) came down.How could there have been a controlled demolition in light of that fact?

    • Thomas_Avit

      Funny, I remember hearing testimony that loud noises were heard even among the collapsing of three large skyscrapers. I guess those comments never got posted into the “official & accepted” report, that is the whole purpose of this questioning discussion to find the truth.

      • andy

        Vaguely nonsensical,that. “Comments” from who? “Loud noises” when? “Testimony” from who?
        Above and beyond any of the reports I am talking about the oral testimonies of the FDNY which are online and can be used to disabuse yourself of nutty tripe.

        Better yet,try “wtc7lies”,a paper by Mark Roberts which demolishes in a controlled,documented and thorough fashion the Controlled Demolition Cult malarkey about your Sacred Tower.

        There is plenty of testimony about loud noises and explosions but none of them as #7 collapses and topples southward.

        Yes,this is my two cents in the search for truth.No,I do not work for COINTELPRO or the NSA.

        This is also invaluable:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OviTulBP78

      • andy

        They keep deleting my responses to you Thomas.

        “Wtc7lies” paper by Mark Roberts will help.

        Plus this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OviTulBP78

      • andy

        They keep deleting my responses to you,Thomas.

        Try this,it will help:”wtc7lies” a paper by Mark Roberts

        • Thomas_Avit

          Perhaps your language is the problem?

          Great link, but it only perpetrates the “accepted” story’s contentions. After watching several building demolitions over the years, there is nothing that anyone can say that will convince me that building #7 was anything but a planned demolition. Even the recent movie, “San Andreas”, shows buildings collapsing in a fashion similar to the reasoning purported in the “accepted” story and not the way that building #7 is actually seen as imploding.

          I have lost my innocense and stopped drinking the “cool aide”.

          FYI: Towers #1 & #2 also did not fall the way one would expect, as seen in the movie “San Andreas”, but that is beyond my expertise to make any solid judgment on.

          • andy

            Read the paper and you’ll see the iron clad proof that #7 fell from impacts and fires.The FDNY knew by 2 p.m. that it would fall and they created a perimeter (pulled everyone away from its vicinity).The tower had a bulge in the same area #1 smashed into it (yes,it was hit) and was emitting creaks and groans consistent with a compromised structure.They couldn’t fight the fire,no water.
            I sincerely hope you figure this out.

            Also valuable:”WTC Not a Demolition”,at youtube/

          • Thomas_Avit

            Words will not convince me or others that our eyes have deceived us. The building may well have been on a path to falling, but just not the way that it did fall and not as completely as it did fall. BTW: Exactly how did building #7 catch on fire as it was not hit by any plane full of jet fuel?

          • andy

            @tomb215:disqus #1 smashed into it and created a hole 10 stories tall.Fires ensued.The oral testimonies prove this.They aren’t making it up.
            Be honest,why would you suppose a building would fall any which way? You probably know less than zero about this subject and the FDNY knows a lot,it’s their profession.
            I’m glad that you acknowledge that the building was on its way to collapsing.It most certainly was.It simply fell in a manner that resembled a demolition.Nothing more,nothing less.

            People became overnight,instant experts on building collapses and controlled demolitions.It’s actually kind of humorous.
            Ironically,they fell for the first bit of disinfo on the subject,i.e. “pull” is demolition slang for an explosive demolition.
            It’s not.

            The video I encourage you to watch is invaluable.

          • Thomas_Avit

            The truth is in the details. “It simply fell in a manner that resembled a demolition.Nothing more,nothing less.” So, if it looks like a horse and smells like a horse, it is probably a horse. However, if it looks like a demolition and smells like a demolition, it is simply not a demolition (according to you). And exactly what experience does the FDNY have with sky scrapers collapsing – – I understand that these three were the first in the world let alone NYC?

            So, the truth that a thousand architects and demolishion engineers and I see in the visual collapse of #7, is a bunch of bunk. However, the totally inexperienced FDNY and you are the experts on sky scrapers collapsing. I think that we have totally different ways of looking at the world and it is best for us to agree to disagree.

          • andy

            Agreed.

          • scott_ewing

            The truth is also in the video record :

            9/11: WTC2
            Progressive top down controlled Demolition sequence clearly visible at 38 secs
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma13I76Sb10

          • Thomas_Avit

            Thanks Scott,
            I have done some light destruction work and seen heavy destruction work done by others. Things do not collapse evenly and torque in the process of falling. That is why with planned destruction, explosive charges are set to sequentially fire so that the building falls straight down into its footprint to minimize collateral damage. With both the north & south towers and building 7, the collapses showed little if any torquing and they did fall straight down. IMHO: They were not random collapses, but planned demolition.

            If building 7 were partially damaged by the collapse of the towers, it would have sequentially fallen in the direction of the damage. To see the whole top of the building to begin to free-fall simultaneously is beyond any degree of being plausible.

          • scott_ewing

            Agreed.

            In the video record of the events of 9/11 all four top corners of WTC 7 drop simultaneously.
            This would not at all be expected from any kind of asymmetric damage.
            Nor would any kind of asymmetric damage allow the structure to enter the period of freefall that it did.
            Controlled Demolition :

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73qK4j32iuo

          • andy

            It did topple to the south as it ended it’s collapse.
            Your mission,should you choose to accept it,is to find footage that shows the collapse from the western side,with the least obstruction from other buildings in the area.
            You’ll see it topples in the direction nearest to the most severe damage from #1’s fall.

          • Thomas_Avit

            Without your supplying the link, should you choose to supply it, your comment holds little value to this discussion.

  • John C Carleton

    It is simple. If you believe that a handful of Arabs, who could not get a single engine prop plane off the runway and in the air, took control of three airliners, made one of them do aerobatics beyond the ability to withstand without breaking up, that pilots who had flown military fighters, them hundreds and thousands of hours in these planes said they could not have done in these air liners, you believe steel mets at 1800 % F. as per jet fueled fires, then you are a sheeple. Even if you do not have an opinion in how it was pulled off, could care less how it was pull off, but understand it was a false flag, then you are either awake, or in the process of awakening.

    • andy

      Speaking of sheeple,and this is just a wild stab in the dark,did you just see “Loose Change” for the first time?

      • John C Carleton

        Enlighten me, what is “loose Change”?

        • andy

          An error strewn,nutty 9/11 agit-prop video made by three half wits.
          So error ridden that they kept re-fitting it until they finally,at the 5th try,years later,put together a good one called “Loose Change:An American Coup”.

          • John C Carleton

            I watch very few videos, fewer movies. Read a lot. I have viewed the official story and the facts of the case and understand the official story should start with “once in a land far-far away”, and end with, ” and they lived happily ever after”. there are several ways it could have been pulled off, will not personally swear how I think it was done, I will not spend my time trying to figure it out. Lots more to do and learn.

          • andy

            Fair enough,I think there’s been a huge coverup too.

            #7 is a honey pot destined to leave us stranded on the grassy knoll.A huge waste of time.

          • William Burke

            Spent about 20 years studying the JFK, MLK and RFK assassinations; published and edited a respected newsletter on the subject for five years.

            You are 100% correct about the Grassy Knoll being a “honey pot”; I salute you for your perspicacity! (JOKE)

            Even the stupidest troll is right sometimes. Usually for the wrong reason.

          • William Burke

            andy: a loose-fitted, half-competent government troll.

          • andy

            Paranoid schizoid lunatic.I don’t give a flip about what half-assed JFK cult fanzine you printed up and handed out on the corner,I’ll kick you all over Podunk in any debate about Building 7,your Sacred Tower.
            You’re the one who has “pull it” tattooed on your pecker,right?

          • Albury Smith

            Hi again, andy. The 9/11 “truth” industry was dealt another severe blow recently:
            [search] “Extra, Extra: Blacksmith Melts The Arguments Of 9/11 Truthers”
            Care to comment there? :-))

        • William Burke

          You might want to watch it on YouTube. Andy is the World’s Most Worst Troll. Totally incompetent, so he’s probably a Commerce Dept. worker.

    • William Burke

      Jet fuel is essentially kerosene. Some of you have owned, or do own, kerosene heaters, which are basically made of steel – not even STRUCTURAL steel, which is fabricated to a much higher standard. Did one of them ever MELT when you were running at high capacity? Did it even get too hot to touch on the outside? Yet you believe this government fairy tale?

      ISRAEL DID IT, using the Saudi Royals as a “cut-out”. Yes, Cheney and Rumsfeld were complicit, and knew beforehand. The world will not be set right until all of these bastards are HANGED on national television! Better tell your congressman you will vote for a GOAT before him, if he doesn’t sign onto setting this atrocity right again!

      • John C Carleton

        Careful, you will confuse the sheeple with facts.

        • William Burke

          Already they are confused.

          • andy

            Yep,the wild eyed Oswald fanatic said it:”what does a bulge where #1 smashed into it mean”!!!
            He also bleated out:”WTC7 is established as having no debris hit it”!!!

            And then he mustered up this:”how did the building collapse without melting”!!!

            Ladies and gentlemen,the insane stylings of William Burke!!

            Or should I say “Idiot runs amok,story at 9/11”.

          • andy

            Either this site is deleting your comments or you are.You’ve been tinkering with some of your earlier misfires,changing them to turn my responses into non sequiturs.
            Hence,my comment below is rendered incomprehensible as it responds to a deleted comment of yours.
            You said those things that I quote but were so embarrassed by them that you deep-sixed them.Or this site felt sorry for you and did it themselves.
            Either way,you’re really kind of chicken chit.

      • andy

        Nobody ever said anything melted and caused the collapses,Boy Burke.You can’t even figure out that #7 had a bulge where #1 smashed into it,was creaking and groaning and was on fire for over 6 hours without any water thrown at it.
        The FDNY knew it would fall (indeed it was in a slow motion process of weakening) and created a perimeter (pull it) and the building eventually collapsed in a somewhat similar manner to an explosive controlled demolition.
        Excitable pompous blowhard instant experts on building collapses ,like nutty Burke,stepped up,formed a cult full of lies and misrepresentations and proceeded to flop so miserably that all they are left with is a tiny echo chamber which bleats out anti-Semitic inspired rubbish and actually supposes that the FBI needs to hire operatives to criticize a theory that 11 year olds around the world can have a field day with.

  • Thomas_Avit

    Ever notice that when a discussion comes up and goes against the “accepted” story, that almost immediately a troll/shill appears. That individual’s job seems to be to attack with very unprofessional and vehement name calling and false facts anyone who supports the “alternative” story even if supported with accepted scientific facts.

    Would anyone of us professionals, upon entering a conversation with which we disagreed, use such tactics? Such tactics are used by shills to obfuscate the facts about the “accepted” story that will not hold up under scrutiny. They are also used to intimidate others from taking part in the conversation. Such tactics are not done by those interested in the truth, but by those interested in keeping the truth away from gaining any momentum.

    • andy

      “False facts”??!!

      “Wtc7lies” and this video will set you free:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OviTulBP78

    • andy

      “False facts”? You’re accusing the FDNY of covering up the murder of 343 of its men.That provokes a response.
      Not to mention the outright anti-Semitism inherent in the arguments about #7 (i.e. “pull it”).

      • Thomas_Avit

        Interesting, I intentionally never mentioned you by name, wondering if you would identify yourself – – and you did!

        And now, “out of the blue”, you bring up anti-Semitism – – more obfuscation?

        You show way too much rage to be one simply interested in the truth. Whether you realize it or not, you typify a troll or shill.

        • andy

          Thomas,I am the only one at this thread disagreeing.Who else could you be referring to?
          I think it is sad and outrageous that people are going down this route and embracing a demonstrably false idea.I mean,it’s not even close.Do you understand what is being said about the FDNY and anyone who disagrees with the Controlled Demolition Cult?

          It’s OK to call people government agents and shills but it’s not OK to fire back?

          Thanks for the dime store psychology.If I had a nickel for everyone who ignored my salient points and whined about being clobbered I’d have enough to bail Luke Rudkowski out of jail.

          • Thomas_Avit

            You say that, “it’s not OK to fire back”. Why not, because it is against the “accepted” story??????

            If you did have “a nickel for everyone who ignored my salient points” you would, “have enough to bail Luke Rudkowski out of jail.” This is telling me that you are encountering a lot of disagreement with your “salient points”. Sounds like you do this a lot and are probably a paid shill or troll.

            Would you actually bail out Luke Rudowski from jail, because that also says a lot about you?

          • andy

            A cult always goes ballistic when you show them that their Baghwan is upstairs divvying up the smuggled hash and banging the sannyasins.

            Good luck.

            No,I wouldn’t bail that criminal Luke out.

          • Thomas_Avit

            Best for you to quit before getting further behind.

          • andy

            Cute,tiger!
            I’ve provided you with enough nutritious beef stew to sustain you through a difficult time.Soon enough a light bulb will go off in your head and you’ll be eternally grateful that I busted your chops.

            You will have to read,watch and mull over the suggestions,though.
            I really wish you well.

          • Thomas_Avit

            Time will tell. I will just avoid the “cool aide” that you drank.

          • andy

            Your loss because your Kool-Aid is moldy.

          • Abe

            I knew you were or are a cultist!

          • andy

            When a vote goes 3892-160 and you start calling all 3892 ‘fraidy cats and establishment dolts you know you’re in a cult.
            If 3892 acolytes swore up and down that the Baghwan took advantage of them sexually and smuggled hash into the country by the kilos you’d side with the 160 lieutenants when they said they never saw anything like that.

            Wouldn’t you.

      • Albury Smith

        You ain’t one of them paid gubmint SHILLS, are you Andy? :-))

        • andy

          Just call me Shecky the Shill!!
          I’m turning my manual in and taking early retirement as my job is done here.The Controlled Demolition Cult lies smoldering and in ruins,having been demolished in a very controlled fashion.Relegated to the brine shack where they spew out the familiar Hitler inspired rhetoric and paranoid spasms about disinfo agents.
          Funny,they’re the ones who fit the bill for that,with their outrageous lies and hapless misrepresentations of easily vetted facts.

          • Albury Smith

            Where do I go to collect my shill pay from the evil US gubmint?

          • andy

            Les Jamieson has it.You can catch him at The Palm or maybe The Oyster Bar.
            He doesn’t slum it at dives or anything.

          • Albury Smith

            I’m sure he’s glad that Mark Roberts quit debunking 9/11 truther nuts. “Gravy” humiliated him on video at GZ.

  • ddearborn

    Hmmm

    Ad hominem attacks appear to be the order of the day here.
    The website below is offering a clearly apolitical analysis of the
    events involving the 3 towers collapsing on 9-11. They make a compelling
    case without the aid of politics or religion that the official
    storyline is false. It bears mentioning that the “official” explanation
    is merely a theory as well. For example; to date the government has
    refused to release the details of the computer model upon which their
    analysis and conclusions are based making any independent verification
    of their results impossible.

    Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth look it up on the web.
    Oh and it’s investigation is based on the input from a multitude of
    licensed Architects, engineers and other building, construction and
    demolition experts etc.

    • andy

      Richard Gage,a very lovely chap,cannot even figure out the “pull it” quote.Why should anyone take him seriously after that?

  • ddearborn

    Hmmm

    Once last time without the link

    Ad hominem attacks appear to be the order of the day here.
    The website below is offering a clearly apolitical analysis of the
    events involving the 3 towers collapsing on 9-11. They make a compelling
    case without the aid of politics or religion that the official
    storyline is false. It bears mentioning that the “official” explanation
    is merely a theory as well. For example; to date the government has
    refused to release the details of the computer model upon which their
    analysis and conclusions are based making any independent verification
    of their results impossible.

    Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth look it up on the web.

    Oh and it’s investigation is based on the input from a multitude of
    licensed Architects, engineers and other building, construction and
    demolition experts etc.

    • andy

      “Multitude”? “Demolition experts”?! You should send your work into the comedy shows,that’s a real knee slapper!

      Go ahead waste another ten years on #7,jerky.

      • Doug Stevens

        “Most trolls and counterintelligence agents seemingly have
        no talent or ability of their own, or at least they haven’t fostered any – but lying, cheating, and misleading – and various other forms of sophism. Often because of their lack of talent or ability, as with most socialists, they take
        jobs with the government. They live off the backs of others who create and do hard work. But their psychopathology leads them to think that they’re doing good by manipulating, rather than uplifting, “the herd,” hence trolls and counterintelligence types are more often than not paid by governments. Some also work for the (malevolent corporations)”
        – Jan Irvin

        • andy

          Do you mean THE Jan Irvin?

          You smokin’ crack,you paranoid lunatic?

          You’d best pay attention to the links I’ve provided you dumb donkeys.You really need to get over your self.

          • Doug Stevens

            Bla bla bla . . . . :- )

          • andy

            Who on earth is Jan Irvin and why do you listen to her nutty nonsense? Is she your favorite Holocaust denier?

          • Doug Stevens

            Can you find anymore “nutty nonsense” than from this andy critter? Oh yes…..from the rest of the German
            hater, anti-Teutonic liar cabal.

          • andy

            Your new cult approved name is Joe Jitsu because you have a rare ability to twist things around so they slam you right in the face!

          • Doug Stevens

            More senseless troll vomit

          • andy

            In your cult everyone who demolishes your goofy guesses qualifies as an agent or a troll or an Israeli.

            The working definition of paranoid stooges.

          • scott_ewing

            Have you noticed how andy doesn’t do much else on the internet except smear people as a ‘cultist’ or a ‘jew-hater’ ?

            He’s not here to think or debate.

            Don’t waste your time on him 🙂

          • andy

            I don’t take cult stooges with a soft spot for Jew haters lightly.I am here to provide the beef stew that newbies won’t get from you all.
            Your echo chamber,chock full of nutty college dropouts,needs annotation.

          • andy

            ….said Scott,as he wasted more time on me and revealed to his cult that I have his number!

          • andy

            I’m Kraut-Mick,Mr. Woltz,and I admire all of your films.

      • ddearborn

        Hmmm

        Your insinuations fall flat in the face of the credentials provided by the literally hundreds of signatures of registered and/or licensed building professionals supporting the conclusions offered by the website Architect and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. There are in fact far more industry experts supporting the alternative conclusions via that website alone than the government used during its entire investigation. Now there is a real knee slapper.

        One can easily argue that America would have been far better off with reopening the case and spending another year investigating than spend the next 14 years waging war, killing millions, turning 10’s of millions into refugees, destroying half a dozen countries, spending trillions of dollars of money we had to borrow and turning half the worlds population against us in the process. Now that Andy isn’t a knee slapper, that is an out and out tragedy of monumental proportions.

        Most rational, intelligent citizens with even a modicum of critical thinking believe that given the obvious ambiguities, inconsistencies and problems with the government’s conclusions, coupled with the incredible importance of the event, that further investigation is not just warranted, but an absolute necessity. Clearly by the transparent tone, tenor and language of your response, (it doesn’t qualify as a legitimate rebuttal) I would hazard to guess you have a horse in this race that demands/requires that the citizens except the “official conclusions”.

        • andy

          My horse is named “Truth” and following all the facts and known evidence leads the race.
          Your cult’s glaring failure to incorporate all of the evidence renders you hapless,feckless and clueless.

          Why do you line up with a group that buys into the vile,bigoted “pull it” claim?
          Why do you line up with fools who cherry pick FDNY testimonies when they aid your argument but exclude them when they ruin your theory?
          Why were there no explosions when #7 collapsed?
          What method of controlled demolition leaves zero remnants of the numerous materials used in demolitions?
          Why do you insist that the collapse took 6.5 seconds when it clearly took almost 18 seconds?
          Why do you accuse the FDNY of being in on the murder of 343 of its men?
          Why do subscribe to the demonstrably ridiculous notion that there were “only a few small fires” at #7?
          Why are footage and stills of #7 only shown from the north side?
          Why is the dishonest claim that “no plane hit #7” used when it was clearly,and on tape,hammered by the collapse of #1?
          Why do you think this vote went so resoundingly against your cult?
          What percentage of American architects and engineers buy into your ideas? Is it more than one-half of one percent?

          When are you going to evolve and learn to discard all of the bad “evidence” and claims?

          When are you going to give up the ghost,just about all of your claims have been thoroughly debunked?

          Hasn’t this vote shown you to be a fringe group undoubtedly politically biased with an agenda?

          • ddearborn

            Hmmm

            Clearly you are not telling the truth in your comments above. Clearly you are attempting to put words in my mouth, not to mention the cited website. Your “facts” are anything but. Offering a point by point rebuttal when so many websites have done such a great job isn’t necessary at this late date.

            I will leave you with 3 facts; poll after poll show the American people don’t believe the findings of the 9-11 commission. Hell, members of the commission itself have publicly stated they have grave reservations about the entire process and the findings. Finally the leadership and many members of the AIA have stated that the vote was governed by political considerations and was not in of itself a reflection of the personal feelings of the members regarding the 9-11 commission findings. The AIA as a governing body was not willing to go on record opposing the government findings; that is “truth” about the vote, nothing more. Who and what you are is readily apparent at this point. Have a great day.

          • andy

            Wrong,nobody has ever answered the questions I posed.
            You are just the latest flopper.

          • ddearborn

            Hmmm
            The reason that your “questions” have not been answered is simple: you are attempting to employ the age old straw man argument. However, I reiterate that the general issues which you dance around have been discussed, dissected, and analyzed 10 ways from Sunday, and still the government’s conclusions are found wanting. Even members of the commission itself have publicly questioned the authenticity of the findings. Several going so far as to state that it appeared that the “evidence” was sourced to ensure a predetermined conclusion.The rest of your commentary is just nonsensical blathering.

          • andy

            More mush from the wimp.

  • Truth Teller

    Hey everyone, “Andy” is NOT a troll! You believe me right???
    #Sarcasm
    People like “Andy” are very real, check out this article and share.

    Confessions of an ex-shill. ‘We’re real’
    http://tapnewswire.com/2012/10/confessions-of-an-ex-shill-were-real/

    • andy

      Patently absurd piffle,that’s your specialty.I guess it’s just a coincidence that I’m cleaning your entire crew right out of the building and showing you up for the lowly saps that you truly are.

      That’s my real name.

  • scott_ewing

    9/11: WTC2
    Progressive top down controlled Demolition sequence

    – clearly visible at 38 secs
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma13I76Sb10

  • Albury Smith

    I’m heartened to see that at least 96% of the AIA is sane and competent. Richard Gage is nothing but a bad joke.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM

    • andy

      Richard Gage + Les Jamieson =Aggressive FundRaising Scam.

      • Albury Smith

        Any thoughts on why Dan Barnum presented this ae911″truth” crap to the AIA last month instead of Box Boy himself?

        • andy

          Gage roams the world and is willing to speak at an event even if there are only 13 people,two squirrels and a few cameras.He’s probably exhausted and conflicted,since he only does this for the money.He’s probably unemployable and is loathe to face a crowd of architects who are 99% onto him.
          There is no way he still believes the bulk of his presentation,I’d say.

  • Albury Smith

    This vote was a triumph for science and reason. It would’ve been 100% if the ASCE had been polled on it.

  • scott_ewing

    Comparison Of WTC Collapse With Other Buildings

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbff_Ol-izY

  • scott_ewing

    9/11: WTC1
    Progressive top down controlled Demolition sequence clearly visible
    – well below the supposed ‘crush zone
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED_DdBZpoD4

  • scott_ewing

    Controlled Demolition – World Trade Center 7 versus AeF Tower

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9scuBiVaA-8

  • Albury Smith

    The good folks of 911blogger have made me the topic of several of their inane rants over the years, but acceptance into the cult requires documented 9/11 troofer activity by all aspirants as I recall, so I guess I’m whatever they say I am.
    Jamieson’s always struck me as just short-bus material and a handy foil for Mark Roberts at GZ on 9/11 anniversaries; I never thought of him as a master scam artist.
    Jail time for Box Boy’s most likely warranted, but the gullible saps who worship him would elevate him to sainthood if that were to occur. If Bill Pepper’s the “Dr.
    William F. Pepper Barrister (non prac.) and Attorney and Counsellor at Law” who wrote the asinine letter to Todd Zinser in the I.G.’s office “correcting” the input data used in the NIST WTC 7 FEA, I emailed him a lengthy explanation of the insignificance of the two tiny (~21#) stiffener plates on the end of the A2001 girder, and the three little W12 X 19 beams ~45′ to 60′ away from the key Col. 79 connection and only thrown in to stiffen the W36 X 300 spandrel beams on the north side at the NE corner. He was totally clueless as expected, but I was soon introduced to soi-disant engineer Gerry Burns, apparently from the UK, who wanted to debate me live and made just as little sense as the rest of the bunch. My logical and somewhat sincere suggestion that he and his fellow experts just do their own ANSYS & LS-DYNA modeling with and without these “Critical Structural Omissions” by the NIST engineers wasn’t greeted with much enthusiasm, nor was my pointing out to him that even a scientifically valid critique of NIST methodology and results does nothing to advance their own hypothesis.
    The present 9/11 “truth” activity is at the lowest ebb I’ve seen since I jumped into the fray after the Loose Change creeps became quasi-celebrities, but I’m sure it will ramp up again in September. I might make trip #2 to the National 9/11 Memorial & Museum on 9/12 this year, but probably only for the day — my
    shill wages aren’t sufficient to finance restaurant meals and an overnight stay
    in the Big Apple. If you’re in the area, maybe we could get together and go meet
    some real live troofers. It would be a first for the dreaded Albury Smith, traitor and shillbot extraordinaire.

  • Ray George

    They just voted against their own profession…….and endorsed building high rises so poorly that office fires can cause them to completely collapse……..Glad there are men like Richard Gage around.

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