22 Medical Studies That Show Vaccines Can Cause Autism

Arjun Walia
Activist Post

Concerns regarding vaccinations continue to increase exponentially in light of all of the information and documentation that has surfaced over the past few years. As a result, corporate media has responded to alternative media, stating that the increase of persons who are choosing to opt out of vaccines and the recommended vaccine schedule is a result of ‘fear mongering.’

This may not be too surprising as the corporate media is owned by the major vaccine manufacturers, and the major vaccine manufacturers are owned by corporate media(1)(2)(3)(4). Given this fact, it’s easy to fathom the possibility that these institutions are desperately trying to protect the reputation of their product.

For example, if we take a look at GlaxoSmithKline and Pfizer, they are owned by the same financial institutions and groups that own Time Warner (CNN, HBO etc.) and General Electric (NBC, Comcast, Universal Pictures etc.).(1)(2)(3)(4) This is seen throughout all of the major vaccine manufacturers and all of the 6 corporations that control our mainstream media. Keep in mind that these are the major funders of all ‘medical research’ that’s used to administer drugs and vaccinations. Despite these connections, medical research and documentation exists to show that vaccines might indeed be a cause for concern.

Vaccines and Autism, Both Sides of The Coin

Here we will simply present information from both sides of the coin because many are not even aware that two sides exist. We’ve presented multiple studies, citing multiple research papers and published research conducted by doctors and universities from all across the world. Here is an example of a paper that describes how vaccine manufactures and medical ‘experts’ with drug industry connections have been aware of the multiple dangers associated with vaccinations for over 30 years. We’d also like to present medical research that indicates the many dangers associated with vaccines, and have done this on multiple occasions. We do this because the safety of vaccinations is commonly pushed by the mainstream media, without ever mentioning or citing the abundant medical research that should also be taken into consideration when discussing vaccinations. Please keep in mind that there is evidence on both sides. At the same time, some of the evidence on the side that negates a positive outlook on vaccination has been labelled fraudulent, but then again many haven’t.

The vaccine-autism debate has been going on for years. It has been a tale of shifting beliefs as child vaccination rates remain high. On February 1998, Andrew Wakefield, a British gastroenterologist and his colleagues published a paper that supposedly linked Autism to Vaccines(5). More specifically, he claimed that the MMR vaccine was responsible for intestinal inflammation that led to translocation of usually non-permeable peptides to the bloodstream and, subsequently, to the brain, where they affected development(5). His work was unpublished, and he lost his medical license despite the fact multiple studies seem to support Andrew Wakefield’s work (here is one example, and here is another.) He has been labelled a fraud by the mainstream medical world, some experts claim that his research and methods are weak and based on very little evidence. Dr Wakefield’s research will NOT be used in this article.

At the same time I must mention that multiple studies from around the world have concluded that there is no link between Autism and the MMR Vaccine(5). It can become quite confusing a subject given that we have multiple medical studies contradicting each other. Was Dr. Wakefield exposing something that the medical industry did not want you to know? It is known that vaccine manufacturers suppress harmful data regarding their product, as mentioned and illustrated earlier in the article. Regardless of the MMR vaccine and autism debate, there are still a number of studies that link vaccines to a possible autism connection. Please keep in mind that multiple courts worldwide have ruled in favour of vaccines causing autism, brain damage and other complications (6)(7), that include the MMR vaccine.

Here is a great video narrated by Rob Schneider outlining the vaccine-autsim link. Below that you will find a list of 22 medical studies that show possible connections to vaccines and autism. Please keep in mind that we’ve only presented 22 studies here, there are many more published papers that document the link. Hopefully this inspires you to further your research on the subject. Also keep in mind that Autism is only one of the multiple shown consequences of vaccine administration, as they have been linked to a number of other ailments.

1. A study published in the journal Annals of Epidemiology has shown that giving the Hepatitis B vaccine to newborn baby boys could triple the risk of developing an autism spectrum disorder compared to boys who were not vaccinated as neonates. The research was conducted at Stony Brook University Medical Center, NY.

2. A study published in the Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry by researchers at the Neural Dynamics Group, Department of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences at the University of British Columbia determined that Aluminum, a highly neurotoxic metal and the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant may be a significant contributing factor to the rising prevalence of ASD in the Western World. They showed that the correlation between ASD prevalence and the Aluminum adjuvant exposure appears to be the highest at 3-4 months of age. The studies also show that children from countries with the highest ASD appear to have a much higher exposure to Aluminum from vaccines. The study points out that several prominent milestones of brain development coincide with major vaccination periods for infants. These include the onset of synaptogenesis (birth), maximal growth velocity of the hippocampus and the onset of amygdala maturation. Furthermore, major developmental transition in many bio-behavioural symptoms such as sleep, temperature regulation, respiration and brain wave patterns, all of which are regulated by the neuroendocrine network. Many of these aspects of brain function are known to be impaired in autism, such as sleeping and brain wave patterns.

According to the FDA, vaccines represent a special category of drugs as they are generally given to healthy individuals. Further according to the FDA, “this places significant emphasis on their vaccine safety”. While the FDA does set an upper limit for Aluminum in vaccines at no more that 850/mg/dose, it is important to note that this amount was selected empirically from data showing that Aluminum in such amounts enhanced the antigenicity of the vaccine, rather than from existing safety. Given that the scientific evidence appears to indicate that vaccine safety is not as firmly established as often believed, it would seem ill advised to exclude paediatric vaccinations as a possible cause of adverse long-term neurodevelopment outcomes , including those associated with autism.

3. A study published in the Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health, Part A: Current Issues by the Department of Economics and Finance at the University of New York shows how researchers suspect one or more environmental triggers are needed to develop autism, regardless of whether individuals have a genetic predisposition or not. They determined that one of those triggers might be the “battery of vaccinations that young children receive.” Researchers found a positive and statistically significant relationship between autism and vaccinations. They determined that the higher the proportion of children receiving recommended vaccinations, the higher the prevalence of autism. A 1 % increase in vaccination was associated with an additional 680 children having autism. The results suggest that vaccines may be linked to autism and encourages more in depth study before continually administering these vaccines.

4. A study published in the Journal of Toxicology by the Department of Neurosurgery at The Methodist Neurological Institute in Houston has shown that ASD is a disorder caused by a problem in brain development. They looked at B-cells and their sensitivity levels to thimerosal, a commonly used additive in many vaccines. They determined that ASD patients have a heightened sensitivity to thimerosal which would restrict cell proliferation that is typically found after vaccination. The research shows that individuals who have this hypersensitivity to thimerosal could make them highly susceptible to toxins like thimerosal, and that individuals with a mild mitochondrial defect may be affected by thimerosal. The fact that ASD patients’ B cells exhibit hypersensitivity to thimerosal tells us something.

5. A study published in the Journal of Biomedical Sciences determined that the autoimmunity to the central nervous system may play a causal role in autism. Researchers discovered that because many autistic children harbour elevated levels of measles antibodies, they should conduct a serological study of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) and myelin basic protein (MBP) autoantibodies. They used serum samples of 125 autistic children and 92 controlled children. Their analysis showed a significant increase in the level of MMR antibodies in autistic children. The study concludes that the autistic children had an inappropriate or abnormal antibody response to MMR. The study determined that autism could be a result from an atypical measles infection that produces neurological symptoms in some children. The source of this virus could be a variant of MV, or it could be the MMR vaccine.

6. Study published in the Annals of Clinical Psychiatry suggests that Autism is likely triggered by a virus, and that measles virus (MV and/or MMR vaccine) might be a very good candidate. It supports the hypothesis that a virus-dincued autoimmune response may play a causal role in autism.

7. A study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition determined that an increased vulnerability to oxidative stress and decreased capacity for methylation may contribute to the development and clinical manifestation of autism. It’s well known that viral infections cause increased oxidative stress. Research suggests that metals, including those found in many vaccines are directly involved in increasing oxidative stress.

8. A study published by the Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences at Northeastern University, Boston determined that a novel growth factor signalling pathway that regulates methionine synthase(MS) activity and thereby modulates methylation reactions. The potent inhibition of this pathway by ethanol, lead, mercury, aluminum and thimerosal suggests that it may be an important target of neurodevelopmental toxins. You can read more about this here, and here. You can read more about the MS/autism link here

9. A study published in the Journal of Child Neurology examined the question of what is leading to the apparent increase in autism. They expressed that if there is any link between autism and mercury, it is crucial that the first reports of the question are not falsely stating that no link occurs. Researchers determined that a significant relation does exist between the blood levels of mercury and the diagnosis of an autism spectrum disorder.

10. A study published in the Journal of Child Neurology noted that autistic spectrum disorders can be associated with mitochondrial dysfunction. Researchers determined that children who have mitochondrial-related dysfunctional cellular energy metabolism might be more prone to undergo autistic regression between 18 and 30 months of age if they also have infections or immunizations at the same time.

11. A study conducted by Massachusetts General Hospital at the Centre for Morphometric Analysis by the department of Paediatric Neurology illustrates how autistic brains have a growth spurt shortly after birth and then slow in growth a few short years later. Researchers have determined that neuroinflammation appears to be present in autistic brain tissue from childhood through adulthood. The study excerpt reads:

Oxidative stress, brain inflammation and microgliosis have been much documented in association with toxic exposures including various heavy metals. The awareness that the brain as well as medical conditions of children with autism may be conditioned by chronic biomedical abnormalities such as inflammation opens the possibility that meaningful biomedical interventions may be possible well past the window of maximal neuroplasticity in early childhood because the basis for assuming that all deficits can be attributed to fixed early developmental alterations in net.

12, A study conducted by the Department of Paediatrics at the University of Arkansas determined that thimerosal-induced cytotoxicity was associated with the depletion of intracellular glutathione (GSH) in both cell lines. The study outlines how many vaccines have been neurotoxic, especially to the developing brain. Depletion of GSH is commonly associated with autism. Although thimerosal has been removed from most children’s vaccines, it is still present in flu vaccines given to pregnant women, the elderly and to children in developing countries.

13. A study published in the Public Library of Science (PLOS) determined that elevation in peripheral oxidative stress is consistent with, and may contribute to more severe functional impairments in the ASD group. We know that oxidative stress is triggered by heavy metals, like the ones contained in multiple vaccines.

14. A study conducted by the University of Texas Health Science Center by the Department of Family and Community Medicine determined that for each 1,000 Ib of environmentally released mercury, there was a 43% increase in the rate of special education services and a 61% increase in the rate of autism. Researchers emphasized that further research was needed regarding the association between environmentally released mercury and developmental disorders such as autism.

15. A study published in the International Journal of Toxicology determined that in light of the biological plausibility of mercury’s role in neurodevelopment disorders, the present study provides further insight into one possible mechanism by which early mercury exposures could increase the risk of autism.

16. A study published in the Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health determined that mercury exposure can induce immune, sensory, neurological, motor and behavioural dysfunctions similar to traits defining or associated with ASDs. Based upon differential diagnoses, 8 of 9 patients examined were exposed to significant mercury from Thimerosal-containing vaccine preparations during their fetal/infant developmental periods. These previously normal developing children suffered mercury encephalopathies that manifested with clinical symptoms consistent with regressive ASDs. Evidence for mercury intoxication should be considered in the differential diagnosis as contributing to some regressive ASDs.

17. A study published by the US National Library of Medicine conducted by the University of Texas Health Science Centre suspected that persistent low-dose exposures to various environmental toxicants including mercury, that occur during critical windows of neural development among genetically susceptible children, may increase the risk for developmental disorders such as autism.

18. A study conducted by the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology at University of Pittsburgh’s School of Medicine showed that Macaques are commonly used in pre-clinical vaccine safety testing. Collective Evolution does not support animals testing, we feel there is a large amount of evidence and research that already indicated the links to vaccines in which some animals have been used to illustrate. The objective of this study was to compare early infant cognition and behaviour with amygdala size and opioid binding in rhesus macaques receiving the recommended childhood vaccines. The animal model, which examines for the first time, behavioural, functional and neuromorphometric consequences of the childhood vaccine regimen, mimics certain neurological abnormalities of autism. These findings raise important safety issues while providing a potential model for examining aspects of causation and disease pathogenesis in acquired disorders of behaviour and development.

19. A study conducted by The George Washington University School of Public Health from the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics determined that significantly increased rate ratios were observed for autism and autism spectrum disorders as a result of exposure to mercury from Thimerosal-containing vaccines.

20. A study published in the journal Cell Biology and Toxicology by Kinki University in Osaka, Japan determined that in combination with the brain pathology observed in patients diagnosed with autism, the present study helps to support the possible biological plausibility for how low-dose exposure to mercury from thimerosal-containing vaccines may be associated with autism.

21. A study published by the journal Lab Medicine determined that vaccinations may be one of the triggers for autism. Researchers discovered that substantial data demonstrates immune abnormality in many autistic children consistent with impaired resistance to infection, activation of inflammatory responses and autoimmunity. Impaired resistance may predispose to vaccine injury in autism.

22. A study published in the journal Neurochemical Research determined that since excessive accumulation of extracellular glutamate is linked with excitotoxicity, data implies that neonatal exposure to thimerosal-containing vaccines might induce excitotoxic brain injuries, leading to neurodevelopmental disorders.


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(4) http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=pfe+Major+Holders


(6) http://www.ebcala.org/unanswered-questions


Arjun Walia writes for Collective-Evolution, where this first appeared. You can Email him here: arjun@collective-evolution.com

  • sharpen it.

    Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not after you, but just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they are.

    Walker-Smiths’ success at appeal and proof that he did not commit medical injury against the Lancet children does not “exonerate” Andrew Wakefield for egregiously misrepresented and falsified research data. Medical studies must withstand repeated trials to be true; regardless of Wakefield’s character or intentions, his results cannot be duplicated.

    Not that I expect you to think of me as anything less than a shill, but hey- they say repetition aids learning. So sue me.

  • Arden Peters

    Who the hell would be stupid enough to publish an article like this! Arjun Walia, whatever you background is on this subject and whoever taught it to you should be chastised! And what the hell are these so called “Sources” Who in finances knows anything scientifically sound about vaccines! Do you even know anything about them! OBVIOUSLY YOU DO NOT!!! Because if you did you would realise what a blessing they are to the world. Honestly would you still like to be dealing with small pox!?!?! You should not be misleading people as you are with this article. People who publish this crap sound be reprimanded and mocked out of the public realm so that they won’t misinform people any more.

  • Ethan Garofolo

    I get my medical information from a site that has a link to “The Sexiest Celebrity Butts” on it. If that doesn’t scream credibility, you ain’t listening.

  • sosalosaros

    The yahoo websites link to information on who owns Pfeizer, General electric, and time Warner corporations. Not clinical studies. The author was backing up his initial claims that “corporate media has responded to alternative media, stating that the increase of persons who are choosing to opt out of vaccines and the recommended vaccine schedule is a result of ‘fear mongering.’
    This may not be too surprising as the corporate media is owned by the major vaccine manufacturers, and the major vaccine manufacturers are owned by corporate media”
    You say most are based on mercury containing vaccines….not all of the studies quoted based on the hypothesis that mercury containing vaccinations cause autism. Most of the studies are actually addressing the possibility heavy metals in general are suspect. 7 out of 22 studies focussed on mercury. There were a further 15 that didnt. MMR vaccine was mentioned a few times. You cannot ignore the evidence presented and honestly say that vaccines do not pose a risk to children.Who funded the study you mentioned? Is the method used for this study better than the methods used in the 22 studies that the author of the article mentioned? Did they compare non vaccinated children against vaccinated children? You conveniently forget to mention any of the other vaccines included in vaccination schedules around the world. MMR is only one of many, each with different ingredients and administered at different times in a developing childs life. I’d happily move to the island you mention. If it means that I could live in a society of informed and intelligent individuals that question the status quo and dont take everything that the powers that be say as the gospel truth….I’d be a happy non vaccinated “goddamn idiot”.

  • 0(o_o)0(-_-)(o…o)
  • Anonymouse

    This is not how immunity works. The man you are citing is a conspiracy theorist. Take an immunology course. The brain is remarkably uninvolved with the body’s immune response.

  • anon

    In all fairness, it is not purely genetic. Certain cases have actually shown up where a vaccine caused autism. But I’d like to point out that that was because of another thing caused by genetics. It’s true that it is possible for “inflamed intestines” to lead to harmful materials entering the bloodstream, but thats such a rare case. Because first of all, the intestines have to be really weak. In fact, their practically has to be a hole in them. Personally I have Crohns, my intestines are inflamed, I’m not autistic due to vaccines. VACCINATE YOUR KIDS!

  • PeaceonEarth
  • HealthierThanU

    I’m 25 years old. I’ve been vaccine free for 20 years. I’m also healthy. Very healthy. As someone who works on the business side of a medical supply company, I am glad I do not get vaccinated.

    • tan man

      You have the luck of a goddess or have developed immunity’s from being a disease ridden rat for 20 years

      • itswineoclock

        tan man – thank you for saying that. i love laughing. may i recommend no reproducing for you? :)

      • Ann

        You’re a rat! If you say so!

    • Jaymz Bondurant

      You’re vaccine free and haven’t gotten sick? That’s great. I ate lunch today. So the world hunger problem is solved. Also, I woke up in my own house. So, homelessness is no longer a problem. Even better news: I didn’t strap a bomb to myself and blow anything up. So, the war on terrorism is finally over!!!

      P.S.-Probably the only reason you’re still alive is because everyone else AROUND you has been vaccinated. BTW, the last time we had a major outbreak of something and nobody was vaccinated (because vaccinations didn’t exist) was the black plague in which our species almost became extinct to the point that it would have easily qualified for the endangered species list. So, thanks for putting the rest of us in danger and doing your best to annihilate the entire human race. Good job!

      • Sam

        Smoke another blunt and finish off your ability to put together any kind of logical thought. It has been proven over and over that SANITATION was the reason for the decline of disease not vaccination. God help the libtards that occupy this website.

        • Guest

          List 27 infectious diseases where vaccinations are or have been available with their principal transmission modes, note how many are RESPIRATORY:

          Adenovirus – Respiratory
          Anthrax – Respiratory
          Cholera – Fecal/Oral
          Diptheria – Respiratory
          Tetanous – Injury/penetrating wounds
          Pertussis – Respiratory
          Hepatitis A – Fecal/Oral
          Hepatitis B – Bloodborne & body fluids
          Haemophilus influenzae type b – Respiratory
          Human Papilloma Virus – Sexual transmission
          Influenza – Respiratory
          Japanese Encephalitis – Mosquito (vector)
          Measles – Respiratory
          Mumps – Respiratory
          Rubella – Respiratory
          Meningococcus Pnuemonia – Respiratory
          Pneumococcus – Respiratory
          Polio – Fecal/Oral
          Rabies – contact with infected animal (vector)
          Rotavirus – Respiratory
          Shingles – Residual from prior Varicella infection
          Smallpox – Respiratory
          Typhoid Fever – Fecal/Oral
          Typhus – Flea (vector)
          Tuberculosis – Respiratory
          Varicella – Respiratory
          Yellow Fever – Mosquito (vector)

          Advances in public sanitation measures have, indeed, been a major factor in disease prevention. Most measures involve advanced domestic and industrial waste handling and removal systems, purification of water and food preparation and storage regulations. These measures restrict or remove human contact with potentially infectious wastes of all types – feces, sewage, spoiled food, agricultural wastes, hazardous chemicals, etc.

          I’ll give you sanitation measures preventing, to a certain extent, polio, typhoid and hepatitis A as they are fecal/oral transmissions. However, the most frequently encountered fecal/oral diseases world-wide are diarrheal in nature and have viral, bacterial or parasitic causes for which there are no vaccines. If you were to include better insect irradication as a sanitation measure, mosquito borne Yellow Fever and Japanese Encephalitis can be reduced but these diseases are rarely seen in civilized countries or outside of Asia.

        • K

          You people really piss me off. You insult someone who knows their stuff and spout ignorance at people who don’t know any better. And you seem to like bold words, so enjoy…
          While “SANITATION” is a part of the decline of some diseases, there is strong evidence (as in DO YOUR RESEARCH) that vaccines are responsible for the disappearance or severe decline of many deadly diseases. If “SANITATION” was the saving grace, then you would, or at least normal, knowledgeable people, would expect to see the decline in disease to be slow, starting in the early 1900s at least, as hygiene practices improved and health regulations were put in place. Instead, what do we see? Oh, diseases just dropped suddenly RIGHT AFTER THE VACCINE! BTW, many of the diseases that have been vaccinated against are AIRBORNE so sanitation wouldn’t make a big difference unless by sanitation you mean wearing a mask 24/7.

          Here’s a couple examples to prove my point; if you don’t believe me then go find your own sources. (Oh wait, you didn’t have any…)
          Polio: “An average of over 35,000 cases were reported during this time period. With the introduction of Salk inactivated polio virus vaccine (IPV) in 1955, the number of cases rapidly declined to under 2,500 cases in 1957. By 1965, only 61 cases of paralytic polio were reported…The last cases of naturally occurring paralytic polio in the United States were in 1979, when an outbreak occurred among the Amish in several Midwestern states.” http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/dis-faqs.htm

          Measles: here’s a graph to make it easier for you, since you’re probably too lazy to do your own research. Measles is airborne, so it would not be affected much by sanitation. http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/graph-us-measles-cases

          • Ann

            There is no evidence that vaccines have prevented disease. Disease waned long before vaccine was introduced into the population. Vaccines do cause disease, however. They shed and contaminate the healthy people.

      • Ann

        Vaccines spread disease.
        They shed and potentially compromise the health of clean people.

    • Guest

      Correlation is not causation

      • Josh Bare

        unless you happen to agree with it, then it’s perfectly fine.

        “In 2011, Fiona Godlee, Editor-in-Chief of the British Medical Journal, testified before Parliament that the peer reviewed scientific literature has become the marketing arm of the pharmaceutical industry.”

      • Ann

        If there is correlation then there is cause for concern. Correlation is not coincidence, it is a RED FLAG!

      • sabelmouse

        same applies to the ”success” of vaccines.

    • dfv

      Thank everyone around you who DID get vaccinated and keeps you protected through herd immunity.

      • I-am-you

        So If herd immunity were to work ..95% plus would have to immunised (vaccinated) ….Seeing how Vaccine effectiveness is …maybe 5 at best 10 years that means all baby boomers ….all people who have not had boosters are Not Protected (are no longer Vaccinated) ..ergo ….

        Herd Immunity =No Such Thing!

        • drone iao

          herd immunity only works when 95% of us are vaccinated, we’re at 91% right now so herd immunity is not a real thing in america, though if you looked at studies now that a small section of the population isn’t getting vaccinated when they could you would realize that we just had the first recorded measles death since the invention of vaccines just happened this year. yes, the first recorded death of measles since the invention of vaccines happened as soon as 9% of the population stopped using vaccines, such a strange coincidence.

      • Ann

        Vaccines shed and cause disease. Look it up!

    • cody

      nice, same here, but going on 15 this year, completely healthy, sorng immune system. i’ve never had a immunity shot except when i was a very very young child, i had gotten 5 vaccine shots, thats when i started to develop autism and my parents stopped my from getting shots.
      strong immune system and flu, measles or whatever, i’m never had.

  • McNeil

    Wow. You do know how to read, right? You do understand that Wakefield and Walker-Smith are not the same person right? Wakefield has been exonerated of nothing. Wakefield committed fraud and professional misconduct. The Lancet paper was a lie, and the MMR vaccine autism scare may be the most damaging medical hoax in history.

  • Seriously

    Why would I trust a source called Anal

  • John Doe

    The best thing about this article is that people who believe it will not get their kids vaccinated, which means they’ll die at a greater rate, thus slowly reducing the genetic propensity for idiocy in the human population. The worst thing about this article is that some innocent kids will die.

    • Thaddeus Gadfly

      I find people more credible who have integrity. Wishing others to die because they disagree with you is an egregious example of lack of integrity. I dont find people in the anti-vaccination group wishing those who disagree to die, only in the pro-vaccination group. Would someone in the pro-vaxx group please refute Dr. Tenpenny in this video? http://youtu.be/M1VwVBmx0Ng , without resorting to name-calling and “trust authority” arguments, argumentative methods which do not pass Carl Sagan’s Baloney Detection Kit?

      • Benjamin Harrison

        Well, here is the fact, I will admit that some people have adverse reactions, but the doctors bend over backwards to offer alternatives that get turned down anyways. What is the point?

  • tan man

    Its not the fucking vaccines its just that more people with autism or something that is genetic are surviving so they reproduce so their children have autism

  • http://1111111.com/ Seantown[ᵐᵒᵈ]

    in quantities equivalent to less than a drop of water in the ocean.

    The entire vaccine shot is the ocean, and these things are less than drops in that ocean, Get it?

    • disqus_lpTcXWvTkw

      Receiving 3-4 vaccines in one visit inject 7 antigen into a tiny vessel (infants) whose immune systems are not capable of handling such a deluge at one time. Simplest solution. Change time tables on administration and number of doses given at one time. Why not? Insurance will not cover the multiple needed office visits.

  • http://1111111.com/ Seantown[ᵐᵒᵈ]

    there is such a thing as false balance, some times there really actually factually no-bullshit is just one side to a story/issue.

    You dont have to worry about illegal immigrants [which is a ridiculous thing to say anyhow “who knows what they may be carrying” as if human beings’ are less healthy based on their citizenship, fucking moron…. ] because if dumb parents get conned by websites like this one and over-the-hill models into skipping their children’s vaccination, those children become potential incubators for versions of the diseases that are different enough to get around the vaccination.
    but if that happened stupid people wouldn’t say “well we fucked up” no, they would say “look those vaccines don’t even work!” because they’re stupid and dangerously so.

  • http://1111111.com/ Seantown[ᵐᵒᵈ]

    “I mean, what is this one little back-water page compared”

    its the first hit on google when someone searches “vaccines cause autism” ….. just …. y’know, to the type of dumbfuck to believe in something like this, that first spot on google’s results, and “22!” papers, and everything else says this is legit, like the terms and conditions we all just accept, no one checks sources or references or is going to take the time to even read this entire article, in the first 30 seconds they’ve already gotten confirmation that looks 100% legit.

  • http://1111111.com/ Seantown[ᵐᵒᵈ]

    “Name calling is the last refuge of the out debated. It is also the hallmark of an uninformed person and a troll.”

    no no no, they weren’t trying to insult or troll [the single most over-used AND mis-used word of this decade btw], they were describing people who, if they think vaccines cause autism, are ____.

    Like, here’s an example: if someone really likes candy, they may have to brush their teeth more often.
    Its a simple If -> then statement. If I have 2 apples, then, I have 2 apples. Simple really. If I cut my hair, then I have shorter hair. If I walk about naked, then I will be arrested and be an idiot. You get the idea.

    No name calling involved, if you think vaccines cause autism, then you’re a god damned idiot. Its the same as people who text while driving, or drink and drive: IF you drink and drive, THEN, you’re a goddamned idiot. Its not about trying to insult the drunk driver or make his feelings hurt or affect his self esteem, its purely to describe the state of things as they factually are.

    Its just a descriptor, and it should be appreciated, people need good Samaritans to point these things out. For example, if you jump off bridges you’re a moron. Once this is said to someone trying to jump off a bridge, they may consider it and go “oh yeah, that is a really dumb thing to do..maybe i wont. thanks!”

    When someone’s friends tell them “No dont drink that, you’d be a goddamned idiot to drink bleach” they’re helping, not trying to hurt their feelies. When someone says you’d be a goddamned idiot to think vaccines cause autism, they’re trying to help you, not lash out because they feel that they are losing some non-existent debate. There is no debate, vaccines do not cause autism. You’d be as much an idiot to think that, as to think 3 = 7. [pro tip, 3 = 3]

  • http://1111111.com/ Seantown[ᵐᵒᵈ]

    the final question is:
    would you rather leave your child vulnerable to a variety of deadly and painful diseases, or would you rather not?

    ^fixed it for you.

    • disqus_lpTcXWvTkw

      I’ll wager those parents whose child was left brain-damaged (NOT AUTISM), or blind, or deaf, or DEAD would have just preferred to have been told the whole truth of ALL RISKS and BENEFITS and given the WARNING inserts provided by pharma with each dose; which is required by law but truly doesnt happen. and yes, my child was left deaf for life. your fear of disease is understandable but when a clear simple fix of expanding the timeline so that tiny, perfect vessles (infants) are not injected with 7 foreign antigens at once – 36 vaccinations by 18 mos. old and going to one dose at a time, as recommended by scientists, immunologists, doctors alike, why wont the CDC or Medical Community accept and embrace the new models? Couldn’t be that insurance dictates the number of visits covered so the medical community said give them 3-4 at one visit.

      • http://1111111.com/ Seantown[ᵐᵒᵈ]

        insurance companies are assholes? holy shit this guy might be on to something……

  • 8caster

    A part of the reason why people don’t take vaccines seriously is because they have never seen what the things they’re being vaccinated for could do, or how fast they can spread, or how much permanent damage they can cause.

    Even if the autism claims ARE true, the risk of kids developing it as a result of the vaccines is minimal compared to the risk of picking up something like Polio later in life. Other nations that didn’t vaccinate still have those really ugly, dangerous illnesses.

    Really, you’re looking out for your kid’s future as well. Imagine if he ended up working for a charity and going to nigeria, just to end up getting polio, of all things?

    If there’s anything that makes it any more ironic, you don’t hear the people in Africa whining about how it makes their kids autistic. They just want the dang vaccine. Because they’ve seen the damage that these things do.

    • Benjamin Harrison

      Actually Polio was a lottery draw, the numbers obviously added up with time, but you had a few hundred paralysis cases from it every year. The vast majority (70-80 percent, had no symptoms or were simply naturally immune), 10-15 percent had cold symptoms, and usually a few hundred had paralysis and a few dozen, death. 1 in 60 get autism, even smaller percentages got paralytic polio. That being said, I don’t believe that the vaccines cause it, but the rising prevalence of plenty of kids that need serious care for life is a problem. I wouldn’t even call myself autistic considering that I don’t need diapers as an adult, and can brush my teeth, tie my shoes, etc. A severely autistic child I had to help watch for some time had all of those problems. Probably can never live out on his own. That being said, a lottery draw is still scary, I am not going to deny it, but autism is the new taxing disability that we deal with.

  • Wrote35PageReportOnVaccines

    Wakefield didn’t lose his license because he was wrong, he lied and cheated! He was being paid to find a connection between the MMR and autism and fudged his number to make it work. He hand picked the 12 children in his “study” to fit his needs. Do your research, Brian Deer uncovered all of this in a few months of investigation.

    Wakefield’s fraud has caused this whole non-vaccination thing, vaccines are safe! Stop being stupid and exposing your children to terrible diseases. The whooping cough has killed so many infants in the past, but since the vaccine we don’t hear about any deaths.

    • joan

      to add to this, it was found that wakefield and his team of idiots put that story out becasue they were about to start their own vaccination company..and call it “safe” . i feel sorry for these unimmunised children who have idiotic parents. wonder if anti vacc’ers use antibitocs when they are sick??? or would refuse radiation or any ither tye of treatment if they were faced with cancers etc…….

      • http://www.harmononiousoutcomes.com detoxexpert

        You should feel sorry for them. The main reason the parents have stopped immunizing them is because they have allowed their own children to be damaged. Only after the fact do they actually learn that vaccines are not only toxic but don’t work. And in case you didn’t know, radiation is a CAUSE of cancer. How can anyone even consider it as a treatment? It’s illogical. As a pro-health, anti-toxin injector, I would never allow myself or my child to be irradiated. I say that after 13 years of watching the extreme pain in my injured child and spending every dime I earned to get her well. Yes, I was an idiotic parent who was brainwashed. Thankfully I woke up.

    • Jeroen68

      The study of Prof. Walker-Smith, Dr. Wakefield and 11 other scientist was not fraudulent. It was the corrupt GMC that did not want this information to come out and misused their power to suppress this for them threatening study.

      Prof. Walker-Smith won his High Court appeal against the UK’s General Medical Council.

      “As Mr Justice Mitting observed in his judgement, ‘There is now no respectable body of opinion which supports (Dr Wakefield’s) hypothesis, that MMR vaccine and autism/enterocolitis are causally linked’.”


  • Tommy B

    I lost 2 children to Pertussis. I didn’t get them vaccinated. It’s ok though. At least I don’t have to raise Autistic kids. Better to bury babies than spend a lifetime with someone who can’t look after themselves. I don’t want that burden. I bet all these parents who have Autistic kids think the same.
    Yes, this was sarcasm. Aimed at all the idiots here that won’t get their kids vaccinated. The above is what I think of you selfish baby killing idiots.

  • Caitlin

    So the idea is that vaccinating your children will cause them to get autism? I call bulls**t. You know why?
    In my nearly 15 years of existence, I’ve been vaccinated a good dozen times by various vaccinations. As a baby, the basics so I wouldn’t die. As a toddler, chicken pox, and the regulars. As a twelve year old, HPV, Tdap and Hep B.
    I have high functioning ASD. But guess what?
    It’s genetic, i.e. you get it from YOUR PARENTS, so if you have a kid with ASD and you are so upset about it, you have nothing to blame but your own genetics!
    Honestly, if you are so upset with a kid that is special and different and think that having an autism spectrum disorder is worse than dying of a preventable illness like the chicken pox or HPV maybe you should rethink parenthood. Because in all honesty, a kid can live and cope with ASD. Not so much with dying.

    • Benjamin Harrison

      Dude, you don’t understand real autism, and your comment is pretty ignorant. It’s good to be the kid that doesn’t need diapers. I believe it’s genetic to an extent, but there’s some kind of environmental influence out there. ASD is a broad classification that applies from everything from someone who has slight issues all the way to someone who is so disabled they cannot ever live indpendently and require constant care. I am personally disappointed about the obssession with the idea that vaccines cause it, I wish people would move on, but a lot of kids aren’t as fortunate as you are. A lot of them need diaper changing, teeth brushing, and shoe tying for life. Being severely disabled is bad, but constantly chasing something that is wrong won’t solve the problem.

  • E

    Polish studies are fake, doctors deny any link with vaccinations, no adverse reactions are noted down, so don’t cite them as credible.

  • http://winterpatriot.com NJT

    What I know of smallpox is this: If you are native American, do not accept free blankets from the US Government! I’m sure the early-American CDC had plenty of studies to prove those blankets did not cause smallpox.

  • Tim

    References please Isaac.

  • anonymous

    I just lost 20 IQ points reading this.

    • creox

      Then you are a net negative in the IQ dept now. Sucks to be you.

  • anonymous


  • Nikoli Frank

    Research has also shown that thimerosal is no longer in vaccines since 2001, and even more research has shown that 2001 was 13 years ago.
    But ya know, anti-vaxxers believe everything they hear from a guy acting as a doctor in his garage rather than listening to researchers who have been working tirelessly over the subject to shut idiots like that guy up who is trying to ruin many many years of research.
    So the real question is are you going to believe a fake, or are you going to believe a professional that isn’t “working for big pharma”.
    People have a conscience, and if vaccines were really doing what is believed, then there would be actual doctors that you KNOW that would be telling you that vaccines are harmful. However, I have yet to have a doctor that I know, or a friend/family member’s doctor do that.
    So for the sake of the world and your reputation of whatever intelligence you have, GET YOUR KIDS VACCINATED

    • disqus_lpTcXWvTkw

      FORGET AUTISM-THINK VACCINES. I suggest you seek a new doctor. Your statements reflect your willingness to believe whatever you are spoon-fed rather than questioning, educating yourself and making informed decisions. Federal law requires doctors to provide patients with ALL RISKS and BENEFITS of vaccines as well as provide the WARNING inserts accompanying ALL vaccines administered. Or that they are required to report any adverse effects or reactions but estimates say only 10% are reported. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Activities/vaers.html in 1998 there were 9 vaccines on the national Vaccine Injury Table, today there are 16. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP).created under the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 collects a “tax per dose” to pay for injuries suffered from vaccinations paid by not pharmas but you the taxpayer.http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html There is not enough room here to lead you to the results of my 36 yrs of research after my daughter lost her hearing and was left deaf for life from vaccinations. I did what we were told was the right thing, the best thing for my child. Try sharing your view point with parents of the children who died from vaccines.

  • Anonymous
  • Thaddeus Gadfly

    But a plethora of correlation is a legitimate cause for concern, and an argument for consent, not tyranny.

  • Thaddeus Gadfly

    The scientific method brought us thalidomide which caused birth defects in pregnant women, and the disastrous swine flu vaccines of 1976.

  • Thaddeus Gadfly

    I find there are far more name-callers in the pro-vaccine group, than the anti-vaccine group.

  • Jimmy John

    Vaccines don’t cause autism. Symptoms of autism show up around three months old, which coincidentally is when children usually get their first vaccines. Its not the vaccine people, its the child. Autism is a disease you’re born with, you can’t get it through anything. Before you go saying what caused your child’s disease, how about you go learn about.

  • http://www.bmsguitars.com Benoit Meulle-Stef

    Are you aware that most of the articles linked are disproving autism vaccination link? How amazingly stupid you have to be to do that…

  • Guest

    Juste pour rire une phrase venant d’un de vos liens: ”

    While the association between autism and thimerisol (a
    mercury-based preservative formerly used in the childhood
    vaccination schedule during the 1990s) has not been
    scientifically established (
    Freed et al., 2002
    Schechter and
    Grether, 2008
    ), two studies have demonstrated an associa-
    tion with environmental sources of mercury and autism.

    While the association between autism and thimerisol (a
    mercury-based preservative formerly used in the childhood
    vaccination schedule during the 1990s) has not been
    scientifically established (
    Freed et al., 2002
    Schechter and
    Grether, 2008
    ), two studies have demonstrated an associa-
    tion with environmental sources of mercury and autism.”

    Donc TOUS vos liens postés vous contredisent!

  • http://www.bmsguitars.com Benoit Meulle-Stef

    One phrase comming from one of YOUR links:

    While the association between autism and thimerisol (a

    mercury-based preservative formerly used in the childhood

    vaccination schedule during the 1990s) has not been

    scientifically established (

    Freed et al., 2002


    Schechter and

    Grether, 2008

    ), two studies have demonstrated an associa-

    tion with environmental sources of mercury and autism.

    So even your links disprove your point of view!

  • Fred Smith
  • awakenedone

    The studies that show there is no link between vaccines and autism are funded by interested parties, i.e. the pharmaceutical industry or the vaccine makers themselves. If you did ANY research outside of mainstream media propaganda, you would know this. You are the ignorant one here, believing the bullshit shoved in your face by corporations who don’t give a shit about human life. You are defending injecting children with POISON!!!!!!!!

    • Magnus Tranum

      You are utterly brainwashed. Clinical studies with data from over half a million children have been conducted, and have found zero correlation between vaccines and autism rates. It is a hoax perpetrated by a discredited quack and the movement is dependent on gullible individuals like yourself.
      Read peer reviewed content, not blog posts and educate yourself.

      • Sam

        Magnus, you are not brainwashed but just a useful idiot. Read the CDC’s report if you want the truth. Not a bunch of peer-reviewed BS from a group of people who are smart enough to know that they need to say whatever the people who have the money want them to say and to Hell with the truth.

        • Magnus Tranum

          Wait what? I’m supposed to NOT read peer reviewed science papers, because you have some conspiracy theory that EVERYONE is somehow taking money to tow a line? That is probably one of the most far out conspiracy theories I have ever heard. Good luck trying to prove or even adequately explain how that is possible. An easy way for you to justify not reading any I suppose. They can be almost impossibly hard to read at times after all if you lack the proper education to understand what they say.

          Also, which CDC report? From what I have seen they follow the science and confirm no link between Autism and Vaccines.

          • Yo Yo

            Thank you.
            Not necessarily for being pro-vaccine, but for being pro-logic

          • Dustin Briltz

            Okay, I’ve read enough of your shit man. Honestly use your fucking brain. You first criticize someone else about correlation not being equal to causation (which is true) but then you leave a link to a correlated study as to why they believe it has been vaccinations that have lowered the mortality rates of fatal diseases. Take your own advice. There is NO study showing that vaccines actually do what they are intended to do. To do so would be highly unethical using a human population because one would have to first have a group of children receiving the vaccination and then exposing them to the disease following X amount of time after the vaccination. Secondly, as per the scientific method you mentioned, good science is based on REPLICATION. This simply means that if results are obtained from one study then the exact same procedure from that study should be replicated by a different group of scientists in order to see if the same results are obtained. This process should occur at least once but the more this process is repeated then the more reliable the original study becomes if the same results are obtained over and over again. Thirdly, there is something called “conflict of interest”, you should have heard of it being you claim to understand the scientific method. It is a conflict of interest when the company making a product is the only one conducting the research for it. It is pretty easy to understand why if you think about it (they want to sell their product so in knowing this information one needs to be careful that results are not influenced by a bias in order to reach their own expectations and goals). Another problem with conflict of interest occurs when members of the CDC and FDA are being funded by the pharmaceutical companies themselves. You also have the media and universities being funded by the pharmaceutical companies. This becomes problematic because articles coming out of these funded universities may have been influenced to show particular results that pharmaceutical companies are aiming to provide to the public. It is also problematic to fund news outlets because the media may be influenced to present a favourable position of the pharmaceutical companies. It is very unresponsible of you to sit here and criticize others on their viewpoints while ignoring the problematic nature from your side of this arguement. I also want to make note that a number of studies were proven to be falsified by particular pharmaceutical agencies. I suggest you learn to think logically about the problem at hand rather than blaintly accepting what the media and these “scientific articles” (as you call them) are telling you because the ones you are claiming to be “scientific” are not that “scientific” at all.

          • Magnus Tranum

            Oh dear. I seem to have upset you by actually believing the data as opposed to living in a conspiratorial bubble. I fear that your personal upset really won’t change the fabric of reality, no matter how hard you squint.

            I won’t go into great depth in this response, but I will make a few points.
            -Claiming that there are no studies that show vaccines are effective is an outright lie. You are either ignorant or dishonest.
            -There are more than one way of gathering data, and you conflate several into one unholy mess. Repeatability is important when devising an experiment, but an entirely moot point when you are simply aggregating massive amounts of data for analysis that anyone can check.
            -Conflicts of interest are important to take into consideration, but it’s conspiratorial nonsense to assume it’s anywhere near as dire as the picture you try to paint.
            -You assume I don’t take such into consideration, a point which is nothing more than a straw man argument as I most certainly do.
            -That you claim something isn’t scientific has exactly zero bearing on whether it is or not, and claiming to be any kind of authority on science after your disjointed ramble is pitiable at best.

          • Dustin Briltz

            I would love to see these studies whenever you have a chance. Shouldn’t take you long to post the links to them here since you obviously have done your research.

          • Magnus Tranum

            Phew, where to start. There are so many, which a quick google search would show you by the way. I suppose I can give you a couple, though I do suggest you actually ask someone who is an authority on this, such as an immunologist.

            An oft cited one is ‘Health impact of measles vaccination in the United States’ by Bloch AB, Orenstein WA, Stetler HC, et al from 1985.

            Looking at something slightly larger, a meta study of influenza vaccine effectiveness, a series of vaccines that are notoriously difficult to get right due to the short development time afforded by each seasonal strain, and the relatively low effectiveness reflects that: ‘Efficacy and effectiveness of influenza vaccines: a systematic review and meta-analysis’ by Michael T Osterholm et al from 2011.

            If you are not so fond of direct sources you can always go to the who and see what they have to see about the matter, an opinions which sources 69 papers on the topic.

            And of course, one mustn’t forget that we eradicated smallpox with vaccines.

            And we are close to eradicating polio as well. An effort currently only hindered in the last vestiges by fanatics who believe vaccines are a western plot to destroy them.

            I suppose I could include a link to a graph which shows measles cases in the US before and after the introduction of the vaccine.

          • Ann

            Vaccines do not prevent disease. There are no studies that prove that vaccines prevent disease. There are studies that show that vaccinated person contract the disease they are vaccinated for. There are studies that show that vaccines shed and put unvaccinated at risk for the disease(s) I don’t call that prevention, do you?

          • Magnus Tranum

            This entire post is an outright lie from beginning to end. Even the post you replied to has links to vaccine efficacy studies.

            Please show your sources for your statements.

          • Virginia Francella

            Vaccinations don’t prevent disease? Wow.

          • Ann

            I’ve researched this on the CDC web site itself. It states that vaccines do indeed shed and can cause the very disease for which they are “supposed’ to be effective against. Even St. Jude Hospital posts and warns people not to visit patients if you have been recently vaccinated because their immune system has been compromised by treatment and they would catch the disease. They don’t post this warning for nothing! This is why I make the statement that vaccines cause disease. They can and they do, period.

            Look it up yourself. I don’t have to do your research for you. My posts are all based on research. I have no reason to post otherwise. There is nothing in it for me to be less than truthful.

      • Dion Guess

        You’re the one who is gullible Magnus. Either that, or you are working for Big Pharma.

        Wake Up People!!! The Gullible Mind”

        It is a psychological processing malfunction that filters out information based on its source rather than its integrity. People who operate from The Gullible Mind tend to have misplaced trust in governments, institutions, mainstream news networks, doctors, teachers, preachers, Politicians, scientists or anyone who wears the garb of apparent authority.

        Whereas a normal, intelligent person would raise commonsense questions about information they receive from all sources, the Gullible Mind wholly accepts virtually any information from sources that occupy the role of apparent authority in society.

        • Magnus Tranum

          So simply because I disagree with you I must be gullible or a part of Big Pharma? Easy to dismiss others when you’re not even willing to consider any other view from the get go.

          Why on earth would I accept what the government, corporations or media tells me cart blanche? The source of the information does matter. A peer reviewed paper in a respectable journal carries more weight than a blog post by some random person who is not educated in the field at hand. However, even then I strive to understand the material to the best of my ability, though I acknowledge that some things are beyond my understanding as I simply lack the education to fully grasp elements of it, even if I get the general gist of the content. For this reason I have to sometimes stand on the shoulders of giants and trust that a consensus amongst those who have the relevant education and knowledge base is what I should accept until such a time as new data changes the current stance.

          Sometimes, the commonsense questions are not at all sensible in the given context. If you simply don’t know what you’re talking about, you may raise concerns that sound sensible to others who don’t know any better, but are utterly ridiculous to anyone who understands the topic. Be wary of becoming a victim of Dunning Kruger, know your own limits as well as being sceptical of the source of the information.

          • Kameron Krause

            So if there is no correlation, then why has the US what people call vaccine court paid out nearly 3 billion in vaccine deaths and damages. And 2 cases at least were specifically given to children that had developed autism after getting vaccinated. Hannah Poling, in 2and Bailey Banks. Hannah Poling receiving 1.5 million alone. The government did it for fun. I don’t think so. The insert on the merk vaccine lists neurological disorders, seizures, epilepsy, diabetes, pacreatitus, the measles and death just to name a few of the adverse reactions. Are they just putting those there for fun too. Why are you so in love with the pharmaceutical companies? Any Company that has 0 liability for their product is suspect to any sane person. If theyre so safe why do they need that protection and why has the federal government payed out so much? And at the rate were going we are gonna have 1 in 10 kids diagnosed with autism by 2020. Are you ready for that? The mortality rate for the measles in this country had declined by 98% before the introduction of the vaccine was ever introduced. And the public that actually caught the measles then had a lifelong immunity not a pretend one that none of us have from being shoved poison into us. Hence the ridiculous boosters. There has NEVER been a study that proves they work . NEVER. Not testing people for antibodies which is only half your immune system. Actually people being exposed tot eh virus after being vaccinated and seeing if they catch it. Show it to me . Youcant because it doesn’t exist. Its a lie. And how do they figure out the efficacy? By testing for antibodies. That doesn’t prove you cant catch the virus. Again they haven’t exposed them so how can they say it works? They cant. And theres never been a study by pharma or CDC I saw them tell a congressional panel to see if giving children under 1 years old 26 vaccines with toxins and live viruses sometimes up to 9 in a visit causes any damage. I don’t need to be a doctor to know that theres no way that can be good for an adult let alone an infant. How about we test it out on you and see what happens.you go do the childs vaccine schedule and get back to us.

          • Magnus Tranum

            Oh my. That’s a lot of misconceptions in a single wall of text.

            1: Court cases are not evidence for anything other than people winning their case. They do not have the same rigorous standard for evidence that the scientific method demands. Or do you believe that courts never get it wrong? It is an unfortunate fact that in some cases people have escaped jail sentences because they convinced the judge or jury despite the evidence being entirely one sided.
            That being said, vaccines are of course not entirely without possible side effects, and they are well known and thankfully rare. Autism is not one of them.

            2:Luckily, due to the advance of general medicine, the mortality rate for measles had been steadily dropping for a long time before the introduction of the vaccine, isn’t modern medicine grand? Though I would like to see a source for this 98% number you throw out, it needs context. The number of measles cases however was still very high, and you don’t have to die from measles to have permanent scarring and other potential chronic effects. Also, mortality was much higher in countries with a less sturdy healthcare system. This is still the case even today. But why just treat, why not rid society of this cost all together? Once the vaccine was introduced, the number of cases in the US alone fell from nearly half a million a year to about 20k a year in only 4 years. That is a massive victory, and a huge saver of both lives and money.

            3:As for there never having been a study to prove the vaccine works. Where are you reading this garbage. Firstly, you can check any historical data of cases in any country that has introduced mandatory vaccinations to see how patently wrong that is. As for a study, here is one, found after mere seconds with google.

            How can you be so misinformed when it is so easy to find out the answers to your accusations?

            4: As for the rates of Autism, some of the numbers are scary and we really should put effort into finding out the causes. Part of it is increased diagnostic efforts, and a broader definition, but much of it is certainly to do with our lifestyles or other factors. However, when people like you muddy the waters with nonsense like the vaccine-autism link that doesn’t exist, you only hinder this work.

            5: You bring up toxins. What toxins? Everything in a vaccine is not even remotely toxic at the levels that are found in a shot, or even a hundred shots. This is tested to death. How else do you think they know all the potential side effects?

            6: Yes, you do need to be a doctor, and not just any doctor either but an immunologist, to know whether this is good or not. You do not have the education required to understand how it works, so listen to the people who do and the data that supports them.

            I have had all my shots growing up, and have had no issues. That is not relevant though, since my anecdotal evidence is as little worth as any other persons anecdotal evidence. I read and accept the science, not the words of any news outlet, blogger or crackpot website that suddenly thinks they are in any position to make comments on things they have absolutely no knowledge about.

          • K

            YES thank you

          • Wow

            They got paid because people like you make everybody afraid that vacc’s cause autism! EVEN IF THEY DID they would STILL be saving millions of lives, compared with the occasional autistic kid.

          • Anonymous

            you know why there isn’t a research for it? because from the second they used it and it worked. then you don’t need research for it. cuz it works

          • Mike Stevens

            $3 billion paid out for damages to 2000 plaintiffs among 300 billion vaccine shots is pretty small beer. Do you know how many tens of billions the diseases cost to manage, before they were largely eliminated by vaccines?

            You do know the Merck “insert” also states that drowning and car accidents are “caused” by the vaccine too? (hint: Get some idea of what an “adverse event” is before you further embarrass yourself)

          • https://www.AntivaxTinfoilHatWearingMoronsSuck.com FsmPastapharian

            It’s like deja vu all over again with these antivaxers – every day!

          • AutismDad

            Do you stalk Mike Stevens so you can play sidekick?

          • https://www.AntivaxTinfoilHatWearingMoronsSuck.com FsmPastapharian

            Says the guy stalking me all over the web. Creepy little troll.

          • AutismDad

            If the Merck inserts say that then Merck is run by morons. More likely as stated elsewhere someone recently vaccinated had been involved in these incidents. Possibly the vaccine effected their behavior, its not impossible when they acknowledge fainting, seizures, weakness and death already.

          • sabelmouse

            no it doesn’t. don’t quit your day job mikey.

          • Mike Stevens

            Oh yes it does…

            Here is the exact wording of the Tripedia insert (page 11) which stated the causes of deaths observed:

            Causes of deaths included seven SIDS, and one of each of the following: enteritis,Leigh Syndrome, adrenogenital syndrome, cardiac arrest, motor vehicle accident, and accidental drowning. All of these events occurred more than two weeks post immunization

            PS: I have no intention of giving up my day job (which consists of
            saving the lives of those unfortunate enough to suffer from
            vaccine-preventable infections, as you well know)

          • sabelmouse


          • Justthefacts

            Hannah poling didn’t have autism. Poling was diagnosed months later
            with encephalopathy (brain disease) caused by a mitochondrial enzyme deficit, a mitochondrial disorder; it is not unusual for children with such deficits to develop neurologic signs between their first and second years. The ruling concluded that, in the case of Bailey Banks, the MMR had caused a condition known as acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM).

            Not one penny has been paid out for autism. Zero, Nada, zip, nothing. You argument just collapsed before your eyes.

          • Kameron Krause

            I saw the official court ruling and it was for autism. Im going to find it in my paperwork. And I saw her parents on interviews and they said the same. So I don’t know where you got your info but its wrong. Also Ive seen the girl she does have autism. I know several kids with autism and she has it. ANd suppose it is what you say. Would you want your kid to get that from a vaccine. I wouldn’t . But I don’t have to worry about that since he wont be getting any vaccine. You shoot yourself and your family with that garbage. Take mine too. And we will see who ends up living a healthier life without any chronic illness or brain damage. Im perfectly healthy and so are my kids.

          • Justthefacts

            So what you are saying that you heard it and watched it on the “News” and the news and the internet is never wrong. I don’t think I have to explain the problem with that Idea. As a non professional, I’m sure you can’t tell the difference between encephalopathy and autism in terms of symptoms and I’ll bet you can’t describe them here.
            My text came from the wiki on “vaccine court” and it has about five peer reviewed references. I can’t post links but I can give you a searchable peer reviewed reference:
            “Vaccines and autism revisited–the Hannah Poling case.” PMID 18480200.

            The NPR article: “Case stokes debate about autism, vaccines” Rovner J.,

            Another article: Parikh, Rahul K. (13 March 2008). “What the Poling Autism Case Means”. Autism Watch.

            Stobbe, Mike (7 March 2008). “Analysis: Vaccine-autism link unproven”. USA Today.

            I’ll wait for your references but I would start my reading mine.

          • AutismDad

            Take up cliff diving troll, water optional

          • Mike Stevens

            Hannah had encephalopathy which according to the DHHS presented with symptoms that included “autistic-like” features.

            Like a child with traumatic brain damage after a car crash might have “autistic like” features.
            That doesn’t mean motor vehicles cause autism.

          • AutismDad

            Yea sure Mike Autistic- like. Code for AUTISM

          • Brooke Dunne

            Actually Terri Poling commented on Age of Autism years ago asking the clownery there to stop using her daughter as a poster-child. Hannah’s condition is not autism, and tney have never said it was.

            Dr. Poling actually published a case study of his daughter.

            I don’t know where you got your info, but your ignorant drivel is clearly wrong.

          • AutismDad

            encephalopathy caused by a mitochondrial enzyme deficit? You are a loon.

      • Benjamin Harrison

        That’s 2 million Swedish children. Get the facts right, please. And it showed that unvaccinated children develop autism too. How can th.ose who think autism causes it explain the unvaccinated developing autism anyways? They can’t

        • AutismDad

          No they can, and its documented. Have you heard of Classical autism (born with) and regressive (after a series of vaccines). The Genome project found ONLY a high of 15% had inherited genes. 85% did not. Their condition was thought to be caused by environmental sources. The 2 main entities that cause spontaneous gene mutation is viral and toxins. What’s in vaccines Jethro?

      • Hey
        • anonymous

          did you make that website yourself?

  • awakenedone

    Why don’t you say that to the tens of thousands of parents whose children developed autism directly after receiving their vaccines? If you did any research whatsoever into the truth of this, you wouldn’t be so harsh and ignorant.

    • joan

      Whos to say thse children were not going to develop autism anyway….. thats like saying 100 women swam in the ocean and then got their period when they reached the age of 13. So swimming in te ocean casues women to get their period your an idiot!

    • Jacob Creutzfeldt

      I do. They are idiots, and dnt even understand that vaccines are given at the time their kid would have gotten the first symptoms in the first place! Seriously! Your best spokesperson is Jenny Mccarthy. That should tell you everything you need to know.

    • drone iao

      yeah, the truth is that it’s a slight chance of getting a minor developmental disorder, or a very big chance of a slow and horrible death.

  • awakened_one


  • Anonymous

    I’m in high school, and even I want to rip my eyes out after reading this article. Two-sided my ace! Never did the author provide any real argument for the other side without being like, “Keep in mind that this is complete BS.” I definitely feel this article is credible when ads are flashing in my face from every blank space on the page. Also, the author writes like they never graduated high school. He or she is horribly repetitive to make length, and has terrible grammar. I mean honestly, all of the people arguing in the comments for this article are idiotic. Do your own research instead of trusting an article on a site that provides links to, “Sexy Celebs With Hideous Spouse” and “Secret Brain Pill Billionaires Are Using.”

  • Kerchak

    Damn skippy. Oh, this is from 7 months ago? I know, late to the party but stupid needs to be confronted and those who confront it need support and rewards.

    Plus, I have nothing happening atm.

  • Kerchak

    You need to be on the first boat.

    • Jaymz Bondurant

      JOANN, I couldn’t finish reading it either. Absolutely retarded. Like you, I didn’t make it past the first paragraph.

  • http://1111111.com/ Seantown[ᵐᵒᵈ]

    clean your data inputs.
    vaccination isn’t the only difference between your two demographics (vaccinated countries vs. un-vaccinated countries) that can effect the result you’re supposing a cause for (that vaccination causes = obesity).
    Good lord, the staple food in one country may be rice, in another it may be a value-menu cheeseburger, in another it may be vodka and cigarettes.

    If your thought process is “ehh, it sounds good, and seems semi-sorta related to the other thing, and I do want it to be true, so I guess it is true,” you are failing at being an adult.

  • Save our children


  • joan

    your an idiot! how do you explain the fallen rates of diseases such as polio,, measles etc etc if not for vaccinaes. and then see the rising rates of communities such as hippy lands in byron bay who refuse to vaccinate, thats evidence for you…..!

    • Anonymous

      diseases have dropped even before vaccines were introduced… do your research.. look it up

      • it’s wine oclock

        Anon- they don’t like to do research thats why they just listen to the mainstream drivel. Then say all their opinions are ”science based”.

    • http://www.harmononiousoutcomes.com detoxexpert

      http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/14/expert-pediatrician-exposes-vaccine-myths.aspx Read the whole thing. Most of the answers you are seeking are answered by a board certified pediatrician who is not a conspiracy theorist, not just a random commenter, but a real doctor who is capable of reading journals (unless you work in the medical field you will not understand the journals anyway).

  • joan

    your an idiot who has no brain = link………idiots have no brains!


    1. LUCKY YOU TAKING A FREE RIDE OFF OTHERS THAT ARE IMMUNISED…. YES THE FACT THAT MOST OF THE COMMUNITY ARE IMMUINSED IS WHY THESE DISEASES ARE RARE, THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF MORE IDIOTIC PEOPLE JOIN YOUR BELIEFS THEN WE WILL SEE THE REINTRODUCTION OF THESE DISEASES AND THATS THE WHOLE ARGUMENT. YOU ARE BASING YOUR CHOICES ON THE SMALL CHANCE OF POSSIBLE REACTIONS TO VACCINES ONLY BECUASE THE GRUESOME REALTY OF THE DISEASES ARE NOT COMMON….WELL THATS DUE TO VACCINES!your mentality is like saying becasue the rest of the community abide by the 100 speed limit ill be ok to drive 150. imagine everyone drove 150, there would be much more instances of road deaths etc etc. think about what your doing or move to a lone island with The rest of the unimmunised people, i bet you wount last very long you will all be gone within a few years…try it would that be a great experiment ? i mean you shuld be worried right?

    • creox

      Quit yelling you inbred shmuck.

    • Anonymous

      you are missing the point… if you ar immunized then what are you worried about?.. if this wont effect you because you are “immune” due to your vaccine.. then why harp on others that choose not to vaccinate?… if only the ones not vaccinated can get effected then thats their problem. unless you are saying vaccines are ineffective and you cans till get sick?

      • Djmarquart

        Because, even when immunized, if the disease sees a resurgence, it can mutate and spread to those who have been immunized. Please, for your kids and my child’s health, get them vaccinated!

      • Yiannab

        What Djmarquart said but also what about the children too young to be
        vaccinated? And what about cancer patients with low immune systems? You
        don’t only put yourself at risk by not getting vaccinated, but also
        millions of young and sick children……let alone the fear of the
        disease mutating and putting ALL of us in danger

    • Dion Guess

      Hi Joann, I mean Hi brainwashed dumb, dumb…

      Wake Up People!!! The Gullible Mind”

      It is a psychological processing malfunction that filters out information based on its source rather than its integrity. People who operate from The Gullible Mind tend to have misplaced trust in governments, institutions, mainstream news networks, doctors, teachers, preachers, Politicians, scientists or anyone who wears the garb of apparent authority.

      Whereas a normal, intelligent person would raise commonsense questions about information they receive from all sources, the Gullible Mind wholly accepts virtually any information from sources that occupy the role of apparent authority in society.

      • drone iao

        a normal intelligent person would also realize that a small chance at a rather minor developmental disorder is still better then a high chance at dying a slow and horrible death.

    • Sherri West Marten

      Maybe before telling people you weren’t going to risk losing your brain cells you might want to run spell check. LOL Keep as many brain cells as you can as you try to figure out which plant they are from. (planet LOL)

  • joan

    i wonder if there is a vacine against idiots like you,, we sure could use it!!!!

  • joan

    i ate a banana yesterday and today i have a sore knee ….BANANAS CAUSE SORE KNEES PEOPLE!!!!!!!!

  • Fred Zinker

    Is that you Nancy Schneiderman?

  • Jeroen68

    Total bullshit story Mr. Unknown. Talk to any school teacher that has been teaching for 20 or 30 years and she’ll tell you that autism and other vaccine-induced developmental disorders (such as also ADD, ADHD) are much much more common than 20 or 30 years ago.

    But people keep repeating the lie that autism isn’t rising. And all those sheep that blindly believe all the lies the pharmaceutical and medical establishment of course believe this without question. Sweet dreams…

    • Jaymz Bondurant

      Jeroen68, talk about a bullshit story. You only wrote 7 lines yet, somehow, managed to cram in an entire encyclopedia’s worth of ignorance and idiocy. “Talk to any school teacher”? What the fuck are you talking about? School teachers can diagnose autism now? That’s good to know. If I ever get cancer, I’ll skip the hospital and just go hang out at the local elementary school!

    • Jacob Creutzfeldt

      Total bullshit story Jeroen68. Talk to any school teacher that has
      been teaching for 40 or 50 years and she’ll tell you that everything was much better 40 or 50 years ago! The kids were cleaner, more polite. We could spank them. Everything was great back then! Oh… And then they DIED from the deceases we vaccinate against.

      • creox

        1 in 2000 in the 70’s and 80’s to less than 1 in 100 today. Sure…keep drinking the kool aide.

        • Jacob Creutzfeldt

          That made absolutely no sense what so ever. You are saying 1 in 100 dies from preventable deseases today, compared to 1 in 2000 before the vaccines? Because thats what I was talking about.

          When it comes to the rise of ADD/ADHD and the likes, you need to look at other stuff. Because guess what numbnuts. In the 70s and 80 all the kids were ALSO vaccinated. ADD and ADHD werent even included as a diagnosis for most kids. They were simply unruly, or stupid. And they never GOT a diagnosis, since there basically werent one.

          Gives a nice setup of the mortality before/after vaccines.

          • creox

            No, I was talking about autism rate.

    • anonymous

      autism is a genetically disorder. that means it comes from an error in the genes not in a vaccine.

  • Jeroen68

    There was a time that measles was a big problem because there was poverty and undernourishment. That is why in Africa children die of measles.

    Healthy children in the west that have enough vitamine A and C have nothing to fear from measles. But a lot to fear from the MMR vaccine.

    • Jaymz Bondurant

      Jeroen68, yet more ignorance and bullshit. “Children in the west are healthy enough that they have nothing to fear from Measles”? That’s absolutely retarded. Children in the west have NEVER been healthy enough to not have to deal with it. What are you talking about? It was because of VACCINES that we completely eradicated the disease from our country. Now look what’s happening. A bunch of idiots stopped vaccinated their children and guess what?!?!? Measles are back!!! Kids are dying from a disease that SHOULD have been 100% preventable. Oops. Now all these idiot anti-vaccine morons are burying their children. Good job. Your ignorant points of view are killing innocent children.

      • http://www.harmononiousoutcomes.com detoxexpert

        Exactly how many children have died from measles in the USA in the last year? Before you call someone an idiot, at least get the correct statistics. Measles was normal when I was a child. I don’t know a single one who died or who had any adverse effects other than being bored to death from having to stay indoors for a week. Over 100,000 people die of Tylenol poisoning every year and no one blinks an eye. Where’s the outrage there? No one dies of measles and the media freaks out. It’s so absurd if you really understand it.

    • Jacob Creutzfeldt

      I cant fathom the lack of inteligence needed to spew out this crap. It´s unbelivable!
      Non of these had enough vitamins then?

  • Alanna

    The amount of abuse in the comments is abhorrent. Verbal abuse is never acceptable. If you truly believe your opinion is a valid one with factual proof, then you are only going to do harm to your argument by expressing it in an abusive manner. You have come here with your mind already made up and it is with that mindset that you are reading these posts and this article, trying to find things wrong with it for the sole purpose of supporting your already decided view. Can anyone here see what is wrong with that?

  • summer

    Nice lock us and our vaccine injured children in a concentration camp? Thanks for your understanding. I’m already dealing with major PTSD after watching my precious baby’s same day vax reactions. Too bad you weren’t there that summer to help me clean up the acidic, ammonia, yellow waste that ate my son’s flesh. Then to figure out what my child could eat..and teach him how to walk downstairs again. The screaming, pain, loss of speech. Oh, gosh. It hurts to see so many people that don’t really understand.

    • http://www.harmononiousoutcomes.com detoxexpert

      So sorry. I’d like to gift you a session to eliminate the PTSD. Not sure if you can pm me with this system. If not and if interested just comment back and let me know how to contact you. No strings. From one damaged child’s Mom to another.

  • creox

    If that was the case you wouldn’t see the unprecedented rise of autism spectrum disorder in the last two or three decades.

  • Jacob Creutzfeldt

    And fish has lead in it. So that will make you able to write with you finger..

  • BothSidesOfTheCoin

    lmao I see so many pro vaxxers comments, and I believe they have not even engaged in reading all the creditable materials provided in the links.. If one was to engage in educating themselves with materials coming from creditable sources provided in this article, and promoting their opinions (pro vaccines) as facts without any creditable sources attached to their opinions (most links will be from bias peer reviews) then I feel your opinion is not valid as it is not back with factual information coming from creditable sources.. I am not saying I am against, or for.. I am remaining neutral at this point.. but what I do want to see is the society that the pro vaccine propaganda is being fed to, wake up and search both sides of the coin.. then make a solid well rounded decision as to whether or not you will or will not vaccinate.. I also suggest looking into the track records of the vaccine makers to see if any have outstanding lawsuits against them from past drugs they have produced. would you by a vaccine for your child from a criminal? nope you wouldn’t.. so what makes these vaccines production companies any better? they have length track records of corruptions and unethical behaviors.. all you need to do is search.. I know that most pro vaxxers will see this comment and go straight to ridicule over having an open dialog to work towards understanding in order to eliminate ignorance.. peace n love to all! <3

  • disqus_lpTcXWvTkw

    they are not terrified of lawsuits. They demanded govt immunity from liability so after eventually the “tax per dose” paid by YOU was established under National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 which created the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html and the Vaccine Injury Table http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html in 1998 there were 9 vaccines on this list; today there are 16.

  • disqus_lpTcXWvTkw
  • disqus_lpTcXWvTkw

    sorry the CDC, FDA, WHO, numerous research and university scientists and field specialists have etched the dangers in stone. And our government release pharmas from liability and the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html created the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) funded with your “tax per dose” to pay for the injuries http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html in 1998 there were 9 vaccines on the injury list; today there are 16. There is no regulatory mandate that all vaccines are made with the same formula by all pharma.

  • Annonymous

    There is a correlation between autism and vaccine. That is the time of vaccination typically correlates with the age at which children with autism begins to show characteristics. But, that is about it.
    What about the children that have not been vaccinated, that still develop autism?
    Recent research has indicated that parents that have a child with autism are less likely to vaccinate their younger children. However, despite a reduction in the amount of children being vaccinated, there is no difference regarding these younger siblings developing autism from those that did receive a vaccine.
    Just something else to think about, people.

  • Sam

    If everyone but me is vaccinated then I will be the only one getting the disease . I cant transmit it to you due to the fact that you have taken the vaccines, right?, SO WHAT THE %$#@ DOES IT MATTER ?! Your stupid data doesnt contain the foreign retro viruses, monkey, rat, cat, and God-know-what-else-dna. Aborted Fetal Tissue, Aluminum, Thimerisol, MSG and a litany of other compounds known to be abusive to the human brain can also be found in these shots. Your logic is flawed and if it wasn’t so blatantly stupid I would have laughed and moved on, oh, and don’t crap about ” where are your sources!!” because it isn’t my job to make you unstupid.

    • Dan

      If you’re anti-vac, you’ll probably discourage others and misinform others, thus causing them to suffer the same potential consequences dumb fuck.

    • dvs

      Vaccines are not 100% effective for every single person; vaccines protect people through herd immunity, meaning everyone around you has to be vaccinated for it to make a difference. Also, herd immunity protects babies who are too young to be vaccinated and people who are not be able to be vaccinated due to allergies and such. Think of it as driving a car. If YOU decide to be a reckless driver, you are endangering yourself and everyone around you. Similarly, if you are a safe driver, it isn’t enough that only you drive safely. Everyone around you also has to drive safely for it to actually matter.

      • BlueCollarCritic


        Herd immunity is just a theory. There have been no scientific studies demonstrating that Herd Immunity is anything more than a theory. Just to clarify, a review by persons (regardless of their background) of other studies that come to the conclusion that Herd Immunity exists does NOT qualify as a scientific study. If ‘Herd Immunity’ really existed the pharmaceutical industry would be pouring millions into studies proving Herd Immunity. If no one had come up with the idea of Herd Immunity it would be impossible to argue for forced vaccination. Herd Immunity is a fear based mechanism for convincing the masses to agree to force vaccinate any who do not want to be vaccinated.

        • anonymous

          I haven’t found any scientific studies for Herd Immunity. because i didn’t search. come on you dumbf*ck it’s common logic. if you are sick and no one else around you has that disease and there is a person close to you who isn’t vaccinated for that disease and he gets sick, then it’s only logic that it was you who infected the person. if that person was vaccinated then he probably wouldn’t have become sick.
          P.S. Autism isn’t a “thing” that you can get from a vaccine. it is something that you get at birth.

        • drone iao

          herd immunity is a thing in countries that have at least 95% of their citizens vaccinated.

      • I-am-you

        So dvs You are Saying If herd immunity were to work ..95% plus would have to immunised (vaccinated) ….Seeing how Vaccine effectiveness is …maybe 5 at best 10 years that means all baby boomers ….all people who have not had boosters are Not Protected (are no longer Vaccinated) ..ergo ….

        Herd Immunity =No Such Thing!

    • Better Sam

      Care to present evidence?

  • Sam

    Haha, anonymous coward. Vaccines are not the sole cause but in a world flooded with toxins they are often enough to trigger a reaction. To call people idiots for fearing for their own safety and choosing methods that have been effective FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE HUMAN RACE until JD Rockefeller bought out the medical establishment 100 years ago and put up a financial gate to control the type of care available is despicable and idiotic.

    • K

      Your nutty-crunchy opinion about “choosing methods that have been effective for the entirety of the human race” is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. Ya, those “natural” methods worked for everyone… except for those who died of natural causes (disease, famine, etc.). That’s natural selection people: the strong survive and the weak (that’s the majority of the population) die off. Sam, if you want to contribute to solving our population crisis and go out the natural way from measles or the flu, be my guest. Just don’t rope your kids into it when they don’t know any better, and don’t go crying to your doctor (who probably could’ve saved your life) when you’re on your death bed. While you’re at it you can give your spot to someone from a third world country with crappy medical care, who has probably seen family and friends die because all they have access to is “methods that have been effective [or at least around] for the entirety of the human race.”

    • drone iao

      it’s a low chance at a mild developmental disorder or a high chance at death, slow horrible painful death. seriously, why is this still an argument when things like measles exist? your immune system is weaker after you get over it, there is no way to develop immunity to diseases like measles because it uses your immune system to try to kill you.

  • Dion Guess

    Let’s be clear, you’re the naive, gullible idiot!!!

    Wake Up People!!! The Gullible Mind”

    It is a psychological
    processing malfunction that filters out information based on its source
    rather than its integrity. People who operate from The Gullible Mind
    tend to have misplaced trust in governments, institutions, mainstream
    news networks, doctors, teachers, preachers, Politicians, scientists or
    anyone who wears the garb of apparent authority.

    Whereas a normal,
    intelligent person would raise commonsense questions about information
    they receive from all sources, the Gullible Mind wholly accepts
    virtually any information from sources that occupy the role of apparent
    authority in society.

    • drone iao

      this exact same comment has been posted multiple times, i think this is just the same guy copy-pasting it with slight edits over and over on different accounts.

  • Linda

    Follow the money. How many billions does big Pharma stand to make with the sale of vaccines? How many billions or even hundreds do you think will be made by those that say vaccines cause injuries? IT’S ALL ABOUT MONEY!!!!

  • Andy Currin

    point 1 is bollocks. the referenced study found more DIAGNOSED autisim in vaccinated children. Its quite likely that parents who don’t vaccinate also don’t go through the autisim diagnosis process, doesn’t mean their kid hasn’t got autisim so to say this indicates vaccinated children are more likey to have autisim is a blatant lie, it simply indicates vaccinated children are more likely to be diagnosed…probably because their parent care and take them to real doctors

  • Jacko

    Your opening statement, “PEOPLE WHO DON’T WANT VACCINATIONS SHOULD MOVE TO AN ISLAND TO PROTECT THE REST OF US.” is reverse logic. If vaccines worked, you wouldn’t have to worry about becoming ill due to someone who is not vaccinated. As a health care practitioner, one of my responsibilities is educating those I work with. I do not leave anything to chance or guesswork. That is why, over the years I have amassed over 15,000 medical studies on my hard drive and back up. I can equivocally state what is cited above is the tip of the iceberg with dozens and dozens of other studies showing:
    1) Vaccines rarely work – most children who become ill WERE
    ALREADY vaccinated
    2) the reasoning of vaccines was flawed from the beginning
    3) history shows the reduction of many disease prior to vaccine
    implementation through proper hygiene
    4) Most disease is the result of poor nutrition, unclean water and
    lack of hygiene

    That aside, this country was founded on the principles of freedom and liberty. That means YOU are supposed to be responsible for your health, not me. If you or your children eat crap food, use drugs, don’t exercise, and drink beer, then you damn well better not infringe on my being responsible for taking the steps to be healthy. The average American is ignorant beyond compare and is lazy, choosing to depend on others (government, the “health care system” which is really more about disease) to take care of them. Get off your ass and do some REAL research before you make stupid comments as you did.

    • drone iao

      hey guess what! the first measles death since the invention of vaccines just happened now that 9% of the population have stopped using them! what a strange coincidence!

  • Common Sense

    Don’t read below this. just a bunch of people fighting about nothing. It doesn’t matter what others think. I believe autism is somewhat related, but I still vaccinate. If you want to, go ahead and vaccinate. If you don’t, then your kids might get other diseases. Your choice.

  • BanishedJester

    If you look at the instance of diseases in large populations before the introduction of vaccines you will find that public health measures and sanitation practices far outweigh putting poisons in the body at young age.
    And the “elites” want to create a dumbed down public just smart enough to do the mundane work and just stupid enough not to raise a fuss about the diminishing quality of life. What are the avenues to such an outcome? Fluoride, vaccination, toxic food, watered down educations and standards, socialized institutions, collective mindset to belittle individual informed decisions and so on. This list is long. Those of you who want to inflict decisions on others are the problem. Those who do not want to vaccinate have every right to make that decision. And that does not necessarily put others at risk. Besides if you are vaccinated and you believe in your Kool-Aid then what are you worried about?

  • E_Eriksen

    “may”, “could” and “possibly” and “might”…

    yep…these all PROVE your idiocy…

  • Linus1982

    I do not work for big pharma. I do remember my schoolfriends sister who had severe brain damage after catching measles as a six month old baby and I have also had a work colleague who was deaf after measle infection in early childhood. These would have occured in the days before vaccination. So to avoid cases like these vaccinate. It was not improved living conditions and sanitation which stopped cases like these, that was already in. Vaccination was needed and it is saving thousands of lives every year. Any one who says otherwise is in denial and does not know their medical and social history, and what these diseases are capable of even now.

  • Anonymous 2

    “The positive correlation between Al exposure from vaccines and
    prevalence of ASD does not necessarily imply causation.”- the study Arjun Walia mentioned in this article from Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry. No legitimate scientist uses the word “cause” in their research unless they are saying causation is not implied by correlation.

  • BlueCollarCritic

    @Pro-Vaccine Pushers
    If vaccines are safe why then is there a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) ?

    This Federally administered program which is also known as Vaccine Court, hears all claims of injuries caused by any vaccines. Anyone harmed by a vaccine can not by Federal law take the vaccine manufacturer or anyone else to court. They must instead petition this Federal court.

    According to the HRSA (under the Dept of Health and Human Services) as of March 2014 the NVICP program has awarded 3,535 petitioners a total of 2.6 Billion dollars for damages caused by vaccines. The same vaccines that you and the media and the pharmaceutical industry all say are safe.

    If vaccines are so safe why does the National Vaccine Injury Compensation program even exist?

    If these vaccines were as safe as claimed there would be no such need for this court and even if you could find a way to reasonably argue for why the Vaccine court should exist you still can’t explain how this many people can be awarded this much money if vaccines are safe.

  • K

    Everyone who thinks that vaccines are bad, for whatever reason, is a complete moron. I’m sorry, but if any of you heard the stories from people going through an epidemic, you would be BEGGING for an immunization. Polio for example: parents were terrified, out of their minds with fear, to let their children out of the house for fear that the kids would catch it. About 10% of children who caught polio died from respiratory paralysis, and many of the others were handicapped for life. Thanks to the vaccine, polio was almost eradicated in the US. Measles: vaccines caused a 75% drop in mortality rate, but it’s still one of the leading causes of death of young children around the world because of the places where it’s hard to get vaccinated and receive good health care. This Ebola outbreak in Africa? I’d bet they all would’ve given anything for a vaccine. I feel genuinely sorry for any unfortunate child that grows up with one the ignorant crackpots on this site; they’ll have stupidity shoved in their faces, will be at high risk for deadly disease, and will end up contributing to the problem (the problem where more and more people choose to put their child’s life at stake by refusing vaccines, and in doing so they weaken the herd immunity and make everyone else at risk for disease, even if they’ve been vaccinated.)
    I know I can’t change the minds of the stubborn, misinformed people who are against vaccines, but hopefully we can stop them from polluting the minds of people who don’t know any better.
    BY THE WAY: when you or your kid drops dead from a disease that could’be been prevented with vaccines, you can comfort yourself knowing that you took the “natural” way out. Natural selection people, that’s how it works…

  • cruscntrl

    Well, a great debate. I met a woman once who told me her baby started to develop symptoms a few weeks after an MMR vaccination. Her baby became a spasmodic quadriplegic. Hard to prove I suppose. She was not vested in a lawsuit outcome. She felt that the vaccination was the cause. How many of you know someone else that claims their baby or child had side effects from vaccination? She was not part of any study. What about immune compromise? I don’t think there are any studies on this. Are statistical studies the end all and be all? If you study chaos theory then perhaps you understand that there are statistical links everywhere. Perhaps statistical studies can contradict themselves according to what answers you are looking for? And say I find 3 out of a thousand, which is statistically insignificant unless of course you are one of the 3 then it becomes extremely significant. People believe in the studies that support their opinion. People look for words that support their opinion. Other questions: Do diseases run their own course with or without vaccination? No plague or disease has ever wiped out humanity. How big is the sanitation and hygiene factor? The whole world has drastically improved sanitation and hygiene over the last century. How big is the corporate influence factor? Are these large corporations that manufacture vaccines without self interest? How big a factor is “fear” in all these discussions. How many believe that there is a virus waiting to destroy all of humankind as in “The Last Ship” television series? How many fear their children will be infected and either be harmed or die because another child is not vaccinated? How much does fear play a part in marketing vaccines? Are vaccines a great product for marketing? Billions of dollars are at play, you can get the majority of the public to do it (millions of people), it is difficult to prove there are side effects, if they don’t work, well nothing is 100% right, the times it doesn’t work can be written off as statistically insignificant. Do vaccinations really infer immunity? If so why is anyone worried about a non vaccinated child having an illness? How could your vaccinated child catch it? Oh, yes well vaccinations really don’t infer very strong immunity I guess. Well, oh hell, its just easier to call everyone else morons that disagree with my opinion.

  • DudeBeNice

    PLEASE READ {{{Especially if you go to Naturopaths}}}To all of the nutty-crunchies out there, I just want to point out that, while Big Pharma may be profiting from vaccines, doctors and nurses in private practices and hospitals are not. In fact, they often lose money in the distribution and administration of the vaccines. If they were trying to mooch off the gullible, they could do it much better ways. They know their stuff, and most stay informed with current studies in medical journals. They would tell their patients if vaccines were dangerous. (Plus, banks profit off you, grocery stores profit off you, yet you use these because you need them. Vaccines are the same way.)
    Secondly, please stop saying that doctors only want your money. While that is, unfortunately true for some, the vast majority sincerely care about their patients. And, greedy or not, there are rules and regulations that prevent them from taking advantage of their patients. If the answer was simple, like a diet change or exercise, they tell you; they don’t give you a “miracle pill” to make money off of your ignorance.
    However, those naturopaths very often do not know anything of medical or scientific value and truly do take advantage of every single one of their patients, and there are not regulations and rules in place to protect patients like there are in real doctors’ practices. Please, just look at your bill for one of those people, who will probably order blood work for you, testing at least fifteen different conditions when a doctor who actually knows what he or she is doing could diagnose it on-site or with only one or two tests. Blood work can get expensive, don’t waste your money. Also, you might think your naturopath knows her stuff because you went to her for something minor and felt better after treatment. That may be coincidence, or she (or he) may actually know how to help treat minor things with natural medications (which I’m fine with, don’t get me wrong). If there is a vitamin deficiency that they pick up on and only give you that one medicine, fine and dandy.The thing is, though, many, many people actually get sick because of their naturopaths; countless people go to see their doctors feeling ill because the “natural doctor” (NOT A DOCTOR!) told them to take a multitude of vitamins, and it messes with their systems. Many people suffer liver problems, too, because of it.
    Lastly, please find a doctor that you like, and trust him/her. And, please understand that I’m not being judgmental on anyone but the naturopaths (who I’ve seen kill people by accident because they weren’t treating the condition or disease properly [or at all]). I’m just trying to help.

  • http://www.harmononiousoutcomes.com detoxexpert

    I’ve the flu twice in the last 15 years and both times I felt like crap but felt like a million bucks when it was over. It’s nature’s way to burn out the viruses and bacterias, get the immune system busy and strengthened, etc. I don’t mind getting sick every 5 or 10 ten years since it helps immunity and will increase life expectancy. I don’t catch all the stuff other people around me do. It’s only when I am in an unhealthy situation like no sleep or excessive mold exposure or stress (got that one handled now!). And no vaccine can stop that. I don’t eat junk or GMO food. I look 10-20 years younger than my age. I was polluted with mercury and over 20 years ago (before Jenny McCarthy or before I had Internet) I found out about the dangers of vaccines and immediately decided to stop vaccinating my baby. Actually I was horrified to find out that I had been lied to. I thought vaccines were healthy but the reality is I had given permission for a stranger to inject the most toxic non-radioactive element on the planet into my helpless infant who had to suffer the consequences her whole life. No easy life when every penny was spent looking for a cure for her daily migraines and gut issues due to the few vaccines she did get. All my friends have paid for houses and are on easy street. Not me. Big bucks to get her well but it was worth it. I didn’t know about “Big Pharma”. I knew nothing. Just followed the advice in “What to Expect When You’re Expecting”. Doing the “right thing”. I will never forget the horror and shock when I found out what I did. It’s surprising that so few can recognize it. It’s like a mass hypnosis has taken place.

    • anonymous

      You know that vaccines don’t contain mercury, right?

  • http://www.harmononiousoutcomes.com detoxexpert

    It used to be normal to get measles. I never heard of any epidemics and I’m Canadian. I’m old too. Never seen anyone die of it and all my peers got measles. We are now immune and passed that immunity on to our children if we breastfed. Measles are not a big deal.

  • Anonymous

    I think this guy had one too many vaccines.

    • drone iao

      vaccines at most have a very small chance for a minor developmental disorder, the alternative is a high chance at death, slow painful horrible death.

  • Anonymous

    “Look at me I can spout bullshit about stuff in Peru and cite a legitimate organization without a source. I’m a dumb fuck who thinks vaccines cause the very things they prevent, like how school is the #1 cause of illiteracy and that is a scientific fact acknowledged by the Department of Education”

  • anonymous

    I think he means to protect us from your idiocy.

  • A guy who cares

    1/50 people have autism…lol, if you’re going to fabricate evidence, at least make it believable.

  • sierra

    People get so heated on this topic. I wonder (and am frightened by the implications of) why people would get so upset that I (like many other parents) did my research and have elected to quit vaccinating my kids. There are many people that think it would be appropriate to throw me in jail, take my kids away, and then inject them with ‘battery’ of vaccinations. Parents need to have the right to know the true pros and cons of vaccines and make the best decision for their own children. It is morally reprehensible to force vaccines on children of aprents that believe vaccines have caused countless cases of autism and behavioral problems.

  • Magnus Tranum

    I understand you are quite passionate about this, and wish to combat corruption and misinformation. The error you make, however, is that you extend specific cases to the general. That there is corruption where there are large sums of money is not at all in dispute. What is in dispute apparently is how far does such corruption go.

    If you believe that the pharmaceutical companies manage to somehow maintain a conspiracy of such a scale that they literally rewrite history all across the world, have all scientists in their pockets and control information completely, except for when random blogs ‘out’ them on the internet, you are utterly deluded. The entire premise implodes under it’s own irrationality.

    Are you not aware, that vaccines are so effective at preventing disease, that it seriously cuts into the profits of most pharmaceuticals. There is so much more money to be made from treating many of these diseases than preventing them, and it is thanks to government regulation that there is such a large market for vaccines at all. Why this point seems to fly right over the average anti-vaxxer’s head is quite surprising to me.

    I also see that your source of choice is an opinion blog which only sources itself. Not exactly very trustworthy. Be careful of believing opinions and articles who don’t cite any valid data. It’s often written with an agenda in mind.

    If you want to debate specific points, I welcome the opportunity. There are certainly things we can agree on. If all you wish is to generally cry wolf about the evils of big pharma, then there is nothing to be said for you are just one more in a long line of deluded alarmists who fear what they don’t understand, and prefer to keep it that way.

    • Ann

      The vaccine court pays out billions for vaccine injury. I think that this speaks for itself. Vaccines are dangerous and life-threatening. I would not give a vaccine to a dog!

      • Magnus Tranum

        Vaccine courts follow the legal guidelines, and follow the adage of ‘better compensate too much than too little’. Many of the cases brought up are never sufficiently documented, but cases are still won based on anecdotes and sob stories, as claimants are usually given the benefit of the doubt while the pharmaceuticals hedge their bets in all things to make sure they are covered and don’t face further litigation charges from sue-happy claimants.
        Remember also that this is legal court, not a scientific study. Their actions have no bearing on what is scientifically accurate or true. Or do you trust the findings of a court over the collective data and consensus from the scientific community? This despite the fact that you read about miscarriages of justice on a daily basis?

        If you wish to discuss vaccines, then discuss the facts. Not peripheral issues that at the end of the day don’t matter.

        • Ann

          This is a bunch of bogus information. Vaccine court does not pay out any amount of money that they deem unnecessary, but is the altruistic thing to do. Vaccine court is there to protect the vaccine industry, not the injured.
          Vaccine court has experts trying to shoot down any claims of vaccine injury and it takes experts in the field of vaccine injury to win the case in favor of the claimants. These claimants have to prove beyond a doubt that these injuries were caused by vaccines. This proof is what I am talking about…vaccines have been proven to cause autism and other neurological brain damage. I’m sticking to the facts and this is not a peripheral issue. Nice try though!

  • Risette

    god damn it…so much stupid in the post, 1) AUTISM IS SOMETHING THAT SHOWS SIGNS AT YOUNG AGE -_- get some common knowledge,you nincompoops

  • Laura Silva

    Do you people defending these vaccines have a child with autism, I think not. Well I do! I know that my daughter started talking then stopped. I bet you defenders have children that can say mommy and I love you. I will never hear my daughter say mommy or be able to have a conversation with her. Something happened to her to make her stop talking. I truly believe it was the vaccines she received. I think that some children are more sensitive to the vaccines than others. What do you think would happen if it’s found that unsafe vaccines caused this to my daughter. I would sue for millions of dollars for what they did to my child and so would every other parent who had this happen to their child. It’s all a big cover up so they don’t have to pay out billions of dollars for ruining the lives of so many children. It left my daughter with the inability to communicate. So all you people who have children that can talk, your opinion means nothing.

  • pctech86

    Hey I was just curious if the author read any of the sources that they posted in this article or maybe just read the first sentence before adding it to their “arsenal”. For example – what you have linked as your source (5) to the oxford journals – the entire source goes over how there was no data linking autism, how there were coincidental occurrences, and that the Dr.s paper *was* published spurring parental fears which is why they started the studies in the first place. Yet, directly after quoting the source – the author goes on to say that the Dr. never published his paper – and that the studies conducted directly afterward supported his hypothesis. I’m confused as to why you link this source to support a statement which it actually it speaks against in the source? Hence why I asked if they actually *read* these sources. Wow.

  • chris968

    Wait I thought you said you were going to tell “both sides of the coin” yet all this article did was shove 22 articles of “research” bullshit in our faces about how vaccines cause autism. As a special education teacher with a master’s degree in autism studies I can guarantee you you’re wrong. This stuff is unreal and I can’t believe you are defending Andrew Wakefield. His “research” was PROVEN that he falsified everything. His data was FAKE. There is nothing to defend. He caused probably one of the most significant uproars in medical history and it turns out he himself was working on his own MMR vaccine. You don’t think he was trying to get people off of what was being sold so they’d take his vaccine??

  • Ann

    The aluminum and mercury in vaccines cause brain damage. This is common knowledge. Aluminum and mercury are heavy metals that cross the BBB. They destroy neurons in the brain. This neurological damage has another name. It is called AUTISM or tics or multiple sclerosis,or ALS or ADHD. Get It?

    Mercury is still used in 11 vaccines and the ones that eliminated it increased aluminum and that is why autism rates stayed the same.

  • Justthefacts

    All of congress ignored Bill Posey’s 8pm speech to an empty room because it has been settled as a fraud. It was found to be a fraud a year ago.

  • Magnus Tranum

    The site you link to provides no concrete data, and offers no substative sources of any kind. Why do you imagine that this is in any way a valid counter to the literal mountains of data that exists on vaccine efficacy?.

    If you wish to discuss science, you must present credible sources. Not anecdotes and hearsay from blog sites of dubious repute.

    Now I must ask, did you read the contents of the post you replied to? Did you verify the sources, confirm they were reputable? Did you read the findings? Did you dig deeper into the historical data I merely touched upon?

  • Justthefacts

    I am not going to spout my opinion. I will only present the conclusions from the papers. Below is the 22 papers with excerpts from the concluding line of each abstract or paper. In summary, this is what they say:
    1. one link is dead.
    2. three papers do not address vaccines at all in any way.
    3. 18 papers state clearing in their concuslions that the results “suggest” or “may” or “warrants further research “. These papers are intended to be used to promote further research.
    Not one of these papers “conclude: anything concerning vaccines and autism. That is just a fact. Read below for yourself. Some uninformed people try to take parts of published works out of context to meet their agenda. That is clearly the case here.
    Sorry, there is nothing here to confirm that vaccines cause anything.
    1. Hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and autism diagnosis – CONCLUSION “Findings suggest that U.S. male neonates vaccinated with the hepatitis B vaccine prior to 1999 ” inconclusive , just “suggests” concerning 15 year old vaccines.

    2. Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism – CONCLUSION “a more rigorous evaluation of Al adjuvant safety seems warranted” inconclusive, just a need for more studies.

    3. A positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake across the U.S. population CONCLUSION – ” The results suggest that although mercury has been removed from many vaccines” inconclusive, just a need for more research.

    4. B-Lymphocytes from a Population of Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder and Their Unaffected Siblings Exhibit Hypersensitivity to Thimerosal – CONC:LUSION – “This suggests certain individuals with a mild mitochondrial defect may ” inconclusive, just a need for more research.

    5. Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism. CONC:LUSION – ” we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might ” inconclusive, just a need for more research.

    6. Dead link

    7. Metabolic biomarkers of increased oxidative stress and impaired methylation capacity in children with autism – This paper does not mention vaccines at all.

    8. Activation of methionine synthase by insulin-like growth factor-1 and dopamine: a target for neurodevelopmental toxins and thimerosal. CONC:LUSION – ” The potent inhibition of this pathway by ethanol, lead, mercury, aluminum and thimerosal suggests ” inconclusive, just a need for more research.

    9. Blood Levels of Mercury Are Related to Diagnosis of Autism: A Reanalysis of an Important Data Set – CONC:LUSION – ” hair sample analysis results offer some support for the idea that persons with autism may be less efficient” inconclusive, just a need for more research.

    10 . Developmental Regression and Mitochondrial Dysfunction in a Child With Autism – This paper does not mention vaccines at all.

    11. Large brains in autism: the challenge of pervasive abnormality. This paper does not mention vaccines at all.

    12. Thimerosal neurotoxicity is associated with glutathione depletion: protection with glutathione precursors. CONCLUSION – ” warrants further research as possible adjunct therapy to individuals still receiving ” inconclusive, just a need for more research.

    13. Enrichment of Elevated Plasma F2t-Isoprostane Levels in Individuals with Autism Who Are Stratified by Presence of Gastrointestinal Dysfunction. CONCLUSION – ” the present findings serve as a compelling rationale for both individualized approaches to clinical care and integrated studies of biomarker enrichment in ASD subgroups that may better address the complex etiology of ASD.” inconclusive, just a need for more research.

    14. Environmental mercury release, special education rates, and autism disorder: an ecological study of Texas. this paper on discusses environment mercury CONCLUSION – “This ecological study suggests the need for further research regarding the association between environmentally released mercury.” inconclusive, just a need for more research.

    15 Reduced levels of mercury in first baby haircuts of autistic children. CONCLUSION – ” the present study provides further insight into one possible mechanism by which early mercury exposures could .” inconclusive, just a need for more research.

    16. A case series of children with apparent mercury toxic encephalopathies manifesting with clinical symptoms of regressive autistic disorders. CONCLUSION – ” Evidence for mercury intoxication should be considered in the differential diagnosis a” inconclusive, just a need for more research.

    17. Proximity to point sources of environmental mercury release as a predictor of autism prevalence CONCLUSION – “While design limitations preclude interpretation of individual risk, further investigations of environmental risks to child development issues are warranted.” inconclusive, just a need for more research.

    18. Influence of pediatric vaccines on amygdala growth and opioid ligand binding in rhesus macaque infants: A pilot study CONCLUSION – “The macaque infant is a relevant animal model in which to investigate specific environmental exposures and structural/functional neuroimaging during neurodevelopment. .” inconclusive, just a need for more research.

    19. Thimerosal exposure in infants and neurodevelopmental disorders: an assessment of computerized medical records in the Vaccine Safety Datalink. CONCLUSION – “Additional studies should be conducted to further evaluate .” inconclusive, just a need for more research.

    20. Induction of metallothionein in mouse cerebellum and cerebrum with low-dose thimerosal injection. CONCLUSION – “present study helps to support the possible biological plausibility for how low-dose exposure to mercury from thimerosal-containing vaccines may be associated.” inconclusive, just a need for more research.

    21. Vaccines and Autism. CONCLUSION – “Besides helping target biological interventions for autism, understanding the underlying physical problems enhances our grasp of the possible role of vaccines” inconclusive, just a need for more research. Its also from 2002 and very out of date.

    22. Administration of Thimerosal to Infant Rats Increases Overflow of Glutamate and Aspartate in the Prefrontal Cortex: Protective Role of Dehydroepiandrosterone Sulfate. CONCLUSION – “DHEAS may partially protect against mercurials-induced neurotoxicity” inconclusive, just a need for more research.

    • Mike Stevens

      Thanks for that…just don’t expect any of the antivaxers to display any degree of honesty or integrity and alter their spin on these studies.
      As I type they are probably still propagating them across the net anew as “proof”.

      • Justthefacts

        I do this because I already know this is the case with every paper they cite from non-fringe sources. All of the anti-vaxx “lists of papers” are all the same. You and I both know that if a reliable study was done that actually had conclusive results, everybody would be talking about it. There are no published paper with amazing results that nobody has noticed and it certainly isn’t going to be an internet surfer who finds it.

        The whole idea of a cash of research resides on the internet that proves something unknown to science is, in itself, a logical fallacy.

  • AutismDad

    Good to see you take an objective approach to it.

  • AutismDad

    What her parents want doesn’t have anything to do with what you claim.

    • Justthefacts

      You are so proud of your ignorance. That’s so cute:
      “Hannah Poling was listed as one of 20 potential test cases. We, her
      parents learned that she was going to be a test case the same way
      everyone else did…when the case was conceded. I had indicated that I
      wanted Hannah to be a test case or be taken out of the omnibus. This was
      because I was worried that no one was addressing the mitochondrial
      issue, which was key in her case. As can be seen by reviewing the test
      cases, mitochondrial disorder was never addressed.”
      You just live in wrong town and don’t know it.

      • AutismDad

        Now you can explain what you are getting at. Besides, her parents are not doctors. They merely are acting for their own reasons. But they were compensated and the world now knows what vaccines did to her.

        • Justthefacts

          Poling did not have autism. . You where wrong again. Vaccines do not cause autism.

          • AutismDad

            No not wrong. They don’t know the etiology of autism. So vaccines stay in the mix. Accepted side effects that include mental illness, brain damage, seizures, gene mutation etc are what vacs do to some people. Some become autistic with seizures. Just saying vacs aren’t involved is juvenile and whoever says it is an imbecile.

          • Justthefacts

            Hannah Poling did not have autism. The post said ” And 2 cases at least were specifically given to children that had
            developed autism after getting vaccinated. Hannah Poling, in 2and Bailey
            Banks.” That was wrong. You are wrong..You obviously don’t know the difference between autism and a mitochondrial disorder. Worse yer, you are call the neurologist, Dr. Jon Poling, Hannah’s father, an “imbecile” for not agreeing with you.

            Hannah Poling did not have autism. You are wrong. Deal with your stupidity.

          • AutismDad

            There is no science stating mitochondrial issues aren’t related to autism. Since autism can’t be thoroughly defined you can’t state they are different, unless you are just plain ignorant. And since vaccine science isn’t properly followed up or documented with honesty, we are left with disjointed information, by design.

          • Justthefacts

            All the science separates autism and mitochondrial issue, Dr. Jon Poling, Hannah’s father and neurologist, pulled Hannah’s case from the other autism cases because he knew THEY WHERE UNRELATED. Autism is defined as a Neurodevelopmental disorder, not a mitochondrial issue. You are not a doctor, or a scientist. You are a damaged father desperately trying to tie a boogie man to your issues by your personal set of definitions in which everything is autism.
            In mitochondrial diseases, the mitochondria cannot efficiently turn sugar and oxygen into energy, so the cells do not work correctly. There are many types of mitochondrial disease, and they can affect different parts of the body: the brain, kidneys, muscles, heart, eyes, ears, and others. Mitochondrial diseases can affect one part of the body or can affect many parts. They can affect those part(s) mildly or very seriously.
            Autism is a disorder of the neurological development of the brain. A child with a mitochondrial disease may or may not have Autism. And Autistic child may or mayy not have a mitochondrial disease. They are clearly different and are separately diagnosed.
            You and I BOTH know that medical science can separate mitochondrial issues.from Neurodevelopmental disorders and have determined that vaccines do not cause autism. ALL science says you are wrong.

          • AutismDad

            You just posted opinion and said its science. Crediblity zero Mr Rogers.

          • Justthefacts

            Nope. Those are facts and Dr Poling knows them to be true also. You are Mr. 100% opinion (or should I say wish lists).

  • sabelmouse

    logic is not your strong point, is it? or are you just THAT ill informed that you’d think that we would all die without vaccines and that there were NO humans on the planet before those were invented?

    • Justthefacts

      Well, Millions would be dead each year that are now living because of vaccines. That is a really simple concept.

      Are you ready to get into that discussion, Sabel?

      • sabelmouse

        actual proof?

        • Justthefacts

          The WHO puts the death rate from the measles at 2.6 millions deaths per year in 1965. That is just the measles.
          In the 1950’s, there were 50 million cases of small pox in the world each year. 10 million died each year.
          How many vaccines do you want me to list? How wrong do you need to be?

          • sabelmouse


  • VikingAPRNCNP

    Or pubmed…..

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