Wednesday, October 24, 2012

In Amerika there will never be a real debate

Paul Craig Roberts, Contributor
Activist Post

God help them if Obama and Romney ever had to participate in a real debate about a real issue at the Oxford Union. They would be massacred.

The “debates” revealed that not only the candidates but also the entire country is completely tuned out to every real problem and dangerous development. For example, you would never know that US citizens can now be imprisoned and executed without due process. All that is required to terminate the liberty and life of an American citizen by his own government is an unaccountable decision somewhere in the executive branch.

No doubt that Americans, if they think of this at all, believe that it will only happen to terrorists who deserve it. But as no evidence or due process is required, how would we know that it only happens to terrorists? Can we really trust a government that has started wars in 7 countries on the basis of falsehoods? If the US government will lie about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction in order to invade a country, why won’t it lie about who is a terrorist?

America needs a debate about how we can be made more safe by removing the Constitutional protection of due process. If the power of government is not limited by the Constitution, are we ruled by Caesar? The Founding Fathers did not think we could trust a Caesar with our safety. What has changed that we can now trust a Caesar?

If we are under such a terrorist threat that the Constitution has to be suspended or replaced by unaccountable executive action, how come all the alleged terrorist cases are sting operations organized by the FBI? In eleven years there has not been a single case in which the “terrorist” had the initiative!


In the eleven years since 9/11, acts of domestic terrorism have been minuscule if they even exist. What justifies the enormous and expensive Department of Homeland Security? Why does Homeland Security have military-equipped Special Response Teams with armored vehicles? Who are the targets of these militarized units? If eleven years of US government murder, maiming, and displacement of millions of Muslims hasn’t provoked massive acts of domestic terrorism, why is Homeland Security creating a domestic armed force of its own? Why are there no congressional hearings and no public discussion? How can a government whose budget is deep in the red afford a second military force with no defined and Constitutionally legal purpose?

What is Homeland Security’s motivation in creating a Homeland Youth? Is the new FEMA Corps a disguise for a more sinister purpose, a Hitler Youth as Internet sites suggest? Are the massive ammunition purchases by Homeland Security related to the raising of a nationwide corps of 18- to 24-year-olds? How can so much be going on in front of our eyes with no questions asked?

Why did not Romney ask Obama why he is working to overturn the federal court’s ruling that US citizens cannot be subject to indefinite detention in violation of the US Constitution? Is it because Romney and his neoconservative advisers agree with Obama and his advisers? If so, then why is one tyrant better than another?

Why has the US constructed a network of detainment camps, for which it is hiring “internment specialists”? (Source)

Why does the US Army now have a policy for “establishing civilian inmate labor programs and civilian prison camps on Army installations”? (Source)

How did the presidential debates avoid the fact of Predator Drones flying over us here in the domestic United States of America? What is the purpose of this? Why are the smallest police forces in the most remote of locations being equipped with armored cars? I have seen them. In small lilly-white communities north of Atlanta, Georgia, communities of sub-million dollar MacMansions have militarized police with armored cars and automatic weapons. SWAT teams in full military gear are everywhere. What is it all about? These small semi-rural areas will never see a terrorist or experience a hostage situation. Yet, they are all armed to the teeth. They are so heavily armed that they could be sent into combat against the Third Reich or the Red Army.

Any such questions run afoul of the assumption of America’s moral perfection. No such debate will ever happen. But if “it is the economy, stupid,” why is there no economic debate?

Last month the Federal Reserve announced QE3. If QE1 and QE2 did not work, why does anyone, including the Federal Reserve chairman, think that QE3 will work?

Yet, the utterly irrational financial markets, which haven’t a clue about anything, were overjoyed at QE3. This can only be because what rules the equity market is propaganda, spin, and disinformation, not facts. The vaunted stock market is incapable of making any correct decision. The decisions are made by the fools in the market operating on a short-run basis. The only safe path to take is to run with the lemmings. This strategy insures that a portfolio manager is always in the middle of his peers and, therefore, he doesn’t lose clients.

How wonderful it would have been for Obama and Romney to have confronted in a real debate how QE3, designed to help insolvent “banks too big to fail,” can help households operating, with two earners, on real incomes of 45 years ago, which is where the current real median household income stands.

How does saving a bank, designated as “too big to fail,” help the family whose jobs or main job has been exported to China or India in order to maximize corporate profits, executive performance bonuses and shareholders’ capital gains?

Obviously the working population of the US has been sacrificed to the profits of the mega-rich.

An appropriate debate question is: Why has the livelihood of working Americans been sacrificed to the profits of the mega-rich?

No such question will ever be asked in a “presidential debate.”

In the 21st century, US citizens became nonentities. They are brutalized by the police whose incomes their taxes pay. They, for protesting some injustice or for no cause at all, are beaten, arrested, tasered and even murdered.

The police, paid by the public, beat up paralyzed people in wheel chairs, frame those who call them for help against criminals, taser grandmothers and small children, and shoot down in cold blood unarmed citizens who have done nothing except lose control of themselves, either through alcohol, drugs, or rage.

Brainwashed Americans pay large taxes at every level of government for protection against gratuitous violence, but what their taxes support is gratuitous violence against themselves. Every American, except for the small number of mega-rich who control Washington, can be arrested and dispossessed, both liberty and property, on the basis of nothing but an allegation of a member of the executive branch who might want the accused’s wife, girlfriend, property, or to settle a score, or to exterminate a rival, or to score against a high school, college, or business rival.


In America today, law serves the powerful, not justice. In effect, there is no law, and there is no justice. Only unaccountable power.

What is the point of a vote when the outcome is the same? Both candidates represent the interests of Israel, not the interests of the US. Both candidates represent the interests of the military/security complex, agribusiness, the offshoring corporations, the suppression of unions and workers, the total demise of civil liberty and the US Constitution, which is in the way of unbridled executive power.

In the US today, the power of money rules. Nothing else is in the equation. Why vote to lend your support to the continuation of your own exploitation? Every time Americans vote it is a vote for their own obliteration.

This article first appeared at Paul Craig Roberts' new website Institute For Political Economy.  Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His Internet columns have attracted a worldwide following.


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12 comments:

Anonymous said...

nothing will change until somebody, some policing organization, rounds up the zombie parasites and puts them away. even if by some miracle we elected a ron paul he would be assassinated before he could do anything. there's no point in voting until we round up the parasites.

Anonymous said...

Don't forget torture is legal now too! Even Napoleon know torture was usless!

Anonymous said...

DID ANYONE HAPPEN TO NOTICE, OR EVEN CARE FOR THAT MATTER,
THAT THE WORDS "CONSTITUTION" OR "BILL OF RIGHTS" OR "DUE PROCESS" OR "FOUNDING FATHERS" OR EVEN THE WORD "LIBERTY" WAS NOT EVEN MENTIONED ONCE DURING THE COURSE OF THE ENTIRE DEBATES??

There is a reason for this....Not only do both candidates hold our Constitution and Bill of Rights in utter contempt, but they both agreed beforehand not to debate! I know this sounds a little crazy, but BOTH candidates indeed agreed beforehand not to have a real debate. SEE >>> http://libertycrier.com/politics/leaked-debate-agreement-shows-both-obama-and-romney-are-sniveling-cowards/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2zYi2xn1jo


So now we are left with the inescapable conclusion that the election is most certainly rigged (cia/poppy Bush involved!) and no matter who wins the American people lose. -J

Anonymous said...

Well, Anonymous 1, it depends on who you mean by "parasites". If you're talking about the corporate and political elites who can commit any crime with impunity, I concur. If you're talking about racial or ethnic groups, you need to go back to Stormfront.

Anonymous said...

fuck america and its citizens

Anonymous said...

To the fourth anonymous commenter who writes of America and her citizens, there are probably 100 million Americans who would beat you to a pulp and throw your soon to be corpse on the highway in the path of a big truck, just for posting your idiotic comments.

Anonymous said...

On the other hand why is commenter five any better than poor number four? Are there really a 100 million sick sados as suggested in her statement? America and her"citizens" ARE fucked, if we can't see that two wrongs do not make a right.

Anonymous said...

The cycle of Democracy: Attributed to Alexander Tyler

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.

I believe we are watching the death throws of our once great society now.

Anonymous said...

This country was lost on November 22, 1963. When John F. Kennedy was assassinated. Everything about this country has been going downhill since. It was a coup de e'tat.

If the rest of the world is wondering why Americans are so fat and lazy and stupid, I will give you the answer you seek.

This is the end of a generational battle. The enemies of my country could never hope to topple us by force, so they sought to control the dragon that destroyed and toppled them.

It has been by design that we are so fat and stupid and complacent.

There is fluoride in our water that makes us apathetic and stupid.
There are additives in our food that make us slovenly and stupid.
The educational system has been specifically designed to create 'worker drones' with just enough knowledge to do the work but unable to express their own free thoughts.
The police system leaves us in total fear, versus other systems where officers are considered good and friendly.

Look at it this way, World.
It has taken these scumbags over 70 years to destroy this country. They could not do it by force, so they have done it by stealth.

Some of the others in the world might as "Why do the Americans not rise up and overthrow their government?"

Here's your answer: We are. The American public is a fucking powder keg ready to explode. We're so desperately holding onto that inkling of a thought that we can change it without violence.

We're angry.
And MY generation (the younger one) has done its best, to my knowledge, to get our parents to change their idiotic ways in what they think is reality in this country. But they are more frightened than we are. They are so close to retirement. They want to live the long happy life that they were promised via the social security act, and decades of propaganda about the American Dream.

They are more cowardly than we are.
I will not apologize for America.
I will however, apologize for our government. It does not represent me, and I am ashamed of it.

But I still love my nation.

Anonymous said...

Amen, brother. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Anonymous said...

Well said, lover of the nation!

dale said...

For all the valid points PCR makes, his urging us to give up voting supports the Republican voter suppression movement.

Voting, as Tom Paine wrote, is the fundamental right which protects all other rights. Voluntarily surrendering this right because of cynicism and the claim that there is not differences between candidates and parties is a gift to those who desire to give even more power to fewer people who do vote.

I urge you to vote in protest of voter supression either for a 3d party or for "the lesser of two evils." Hanna Arendt reminded us that the lesser of two evils is still evil.

But I will remind you that not all evils are equal. The war crimes of Obama pale compared to the war crimes of Bush, which pale compared to the war crimes of Hitler. If you could choose among them, would you say: all are evil...I will not vote?

Sometimes, not choosing the least of two evils is a vote for the most evil. So choose the least harmful candidates (who is most hawkish, most likely to promote the Israeli hawks? Who is most likely to privatize social programs? Who is most likely to increase our obscene defense budget?) or register your protest by voting for alternative parties.....

but boycotting the vote is also boycotting the right to free speech.

PCR has gone over the cliff of doom and his prescriptions will only please the elites....look, they are giving up the right to vote on their own. Big whoop!

AND: PCR complains of the lack of a real debate, but he himself closed down his discussion forum because people like me criticized him for his promotion of Reagan and Ron Paul as great Americans. He himself cannot handle views which disagree with his......and so he shut it down to silence the debate about his own, sometimes brilliant, sometimes idiotic and extreme ideas.

Vote early and vote often! Don't surrender your right for which so many have died. Don't buy into cynicism but choose best available or protest by voting 3d party.

Dale (chastised by PCR as brainwashed for disagreeing with PCR but undaunted)

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