Thursday, August 16, 2012

Why The Gov’t Purchase Of Ammunition Should Scare The Hell Out Of You

James Smith, Contributor

Recent articles have been published, by this network and others, that detail the extraordinarily large purchases of ammunition by the United States Government. This ammunition has been of varying calibers, mainly .357 Sig and .40 S&W. However, they all have been what are known as “Hollow Point” rounds.

From Wikipedia:
A hollow-point bullet is an expanding bullet that has a pit or hollowed out shape in its tip, often intended to cause the bullet to expand upon entering a target in order to decrease penetration and disrupt more tissue as it travels through the target. It is also used for controlled penetration, where over-penetration could cause collateral damage (such as on an aircraft). In target shooting, they are used for greater accuracy and reduction of smoke, fouling, and lead vapour exposure, as hollow point bullets have an enclosed base while traditional bullets have an exposed lead base. In essence, the hollow point bullet has several purposes: hollow points are designed to increase in diameter once within the target, thus maximizing tissue damage and blood loss or shock, and to remain inside the target, thereby transferring all of its kinetic energy to that target (some fraction would remain in the bullet if it passed through instead). Jacketed hollow points (JHPs) or plated hollow points are covered in a coating of harder metal (usually a copper alloy or copper coated steel) to increase bullet strength and to prevent fouling the barrel with lead stripped from the bullet. The term hollow-cavity bullet is used to describe a hollow point where the hollow is unusually large, sometimes dominating the volume of the bullet, and causes extreme expansion or fragmentation on impact.[1]
Many articles state that the hollow point round is banned in combat due to its brutal devastation it causes upon the human body. However, in reality, this is not the case.

Most people will wrongly state that their use is outlawed in the Geneva Convention. The ammunition’s forerunner was banned in 1899, and a portion of that ban is shown here:
Declaration on the Use of Bullets Which Expand or Flatten Easily in the Human Body” adopted at the First Hague Peace Conference of (29 July) 1899 which states: 
The Undersigned, Plenipotentiaries of the Powers represented at the International Peace Conference at The Hague, duly authorized to that effect by their Governments, 

Inspired by the sentiments which found expression in the Declaration of St. Petersburg of the 29th November (11th December), 1868,

Declare as follows:
The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced with incisions.
The present Declaration is only binding for the Contracting Powers in the case of a war between two or more of them.

It shall cease to be binding from the time when, in a war between the Contracting Parties, one of the belligerents is joined by a non-Contracting Power.

The United States only conceded to this, but did not sign. Where the U.S. did commit to was the Hague Convention IV of 1907, Article 23(e) of which Annex states:
…it is especially forbidden - 
To employ arms, projectiles, or material{sic} calculated to cause unnecessary suffering;
The US’s observation of the Convention meant that ammunition used by troops would be solid ball ammunition. However, in 1985 the rules of combat changed with an opinion written by Judge Advocate General, written by Col W. Hays Parks, Chief of the JAG’s International Law Branch, for the signature of Major General Hugh R. Overholt, which stated:
…expanding point ammunition is legally permissible in counterterrorist operations not involving the engagement of the armed forces of another State.
In October of 1990, Col. Parks, at the at the request of the Commander of the United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) and coordinated with the Department of State, Army General Counsel, as well as the Offices of the Judge Advocates General of the Navy and Air Force wrote a Memorandum that concluded:
The purpose of the 7.62mm 'open-tip' MatchKing bullet is to provide maximum accuracy at very long range. … Bullet fragmentation is not a design characteristic, however, nor a purpose for use of the MatchKing by United States Army snipers. Wounds caused by MatchKing ammunition are similar to those caused by a fully jacketed military ball bullet, which is legal under the law of war, when compared at the same ranges and under the same conditions. (The Sierra #2200 BTHP) not only meets, but exceeds, the law of war obligations of the United States for use in combat.
And again in 1993, an opinion by Col Parks allowed the U.S. Special Operations Command to use a Winchester 230-grain JHP for issue with its H&K-manufactured Mk 23 Mod 0 pistol.

And the military is not alone with the use of hollow point rounds. Many police agencies use them as well and have gone toe-to-toe with civil liberty organizations. From the NY Times in 1997:
Studies on the issue are inconclusive. But civil libertarians have criticized the hollow point bullets, saying they are more deadly and increase the ability of police officers to maim and kill a suspect. ‘'The introduction of the hollow-point may very well exceed the bounds of reason and necessity, especially if massive internal injury is the risk,' said Norman Siegel, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union.
Legal challenges in Los Angeles and elsewhere, however, have proved fruitless, since most big-city departments began adopting the ammunition in the 1970s and 1980s.

The city of Seattle also uses the hollow point rounds.

Civilian law enforcement and military use of such ammunition should not be of concern. What concerns people these days are the purchases by innocuous government agencies such as the Social Security Administration and National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration. While they may be going to strictly the investigative arms of these agencies, what needs to be looked at is the bottom line:


A good rule of thumb in all things commercial is: The fancier, the pricier. And ammunition is not alone in this. Below is a chart from a meta search engine, Ammo Engine. The search parameters were simple and selected from the results were only ammunition sold by the Federal Cartridge Company, a frequent awardee of ammunition in contracts put out by the Department of Homeland Security and the rounds selected were the .40 S&W that the DHS has purchased hundreds of millions.

FederalAmerican Eagle Full Metal Jacket165Full Metal Jacket50$15.00$0.30
FederalAmerican Eagle Full Metal Jacket180Full Metal Jacket100$34.50$0.35
FederalAmerican Eagle Full Metal Jacket165Full Metal Jacket50$35.23$0.70
FederalAmerican Eagle Full Metal Jacket155Full Metal Jacket50$36.09$0.72
FederalPremium Expanding Full Metal Jacket165Full Metal Jacket50$37.29$0.75
FederalPower-Shok Jacketed Hollow Point180Jacketed Hollow Point20$30.05$1.50
FederalPremium Hydra-Shok Jacketed Hollow Point155Jacketed Hollow Point20$34.98$1.75
FederalPremium Personal Defense Hydra-Shok Jacketed Hollow Point135Jacketed Hollow Point20$36.95$1.85

As you can see in the chart, the Jacket Hollow Point (JHP) is as much as five times more expensive that the standard Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) round.

But the price isn’t because the JHP is a “more powerful” round. Below is a comparison of the Federal .357 Sig JHP versus the FMJ.

Federal Ammunition Ballistics:

Round     Type  Weight  Muzzle  Energy FPS
.357 Sig   JHP     125       506         1350
.357 Sig   FMJ    125       506         1350

Below is a video of the comparison between .40 S&W JHP and FMJ when it hits the human body, using ballistics gelatin which is used as a human flesh analog.

And lastly, a visual explanation on the damage of the hollow point.

A bullet will travel in pretty much a straight line. Once the round strikes the body, the physics of flight changes, causing the round to tumble and spin much like a gyroscope that is about to stop. This is what causes the damage to the body.

Compare the bodily damage of the .357 Sig JHP 125 grain to the two .40 S&W JHP rounds in the image below.

The odds of survival are minimal at best. And now you see why the recent purchase and requests by our government, unrestrained by law or morality, should scare the hell out of you.

And if you’re not scared, you’re either stupid or not paying attention, both conditions where the government wants to keep you.

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This article first appeared at Prepper Podcast Radio Network.

Read other articles by James Smith HERE.

James is a father of four and grandfather to four. He and his wife of almost 30 years have been prepping since 2003. They live in a small town, with neighbors as close as 10 feet away and have raised chickens for 2 years covertly on less than 1/5 of an acre. He is a former corrections officer, insurance fraud investigator, and he served in the Navy for 6 years. He currently works for a corporation dealing with the disabled population and their benefits. He is the host of The Covert Prepper show and the Prepper Podcast Radio Network News, both heard on Blogtalk Radio.


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Anonymous said...

yeah, the enemy has rights, and you dont.

Anonymous said...

isn't that because the government and corporations are people, and we, individuals, are not?

Anonymous said...

What if all this ammo is
Goi g to be used in Syria by the rebels?

Anonymous said...

They can't go back.
They know it and we know it.
Now we just wait.

Anonymous said...

The ammunition companies are the only winners here.

Anonymous said...

More internet hysteria; the government has been purchasing ammo for hundreds of years. Relax.

Screw the govt shill who posted before me said...

The government has also been using ammo to murder for hundreds of years. Now, since the NDAA has declared the U.S. to be a "battlefield," we can expect the murder of "terrorists" here. Some of these bullets have our names on them.

Anonymous said...

It is time to speak plainly for the good citizens and patriots of this nation who believe unendingly in the Constitution of the United States of America.

Though foreign governments may disarm their subjects, we will not go down that road. We will not disarm and see our freedoms stripped away. The lessons of history are numerous, clear, and bloody.

A disarmed population inevitably becomes an enslaved population. A disarmed population is without power, reduced to childlike obedience to, and dependence upon, the organs of a parental state. A disarmed population will lose, either piecemeal or in one sweeping act, those basic rights for which the citizens of America risked their lives and fortunes over 200 years ago.

We Will Not Disarm.

The right to self-protection, the internal directive of every living creature, be it mouse or man is the most fundamental right of all. It is a right that must be exercised against the predators of the streets, against the predators hidden within agencies of law enforcement, and against the most dangerous predators of all, those to be found in government, whose insidious grasping for power is relentless and never-ending.

We Will Not Disarm.

Not in the face of robbers, rapists and murderers who prey upon our families and friends. Nor in the face of police and bureau agents who would turn a blind eye to the Constitution, who would betray the birthright of their countrymen; nor in the face of politicians of the lowest order, those who pander to the ignorant, the weak, the fearful, the naive; those indebted to a virulent strain of the rich who insulate themselves from the dangers imposed upon other Americans and then preach disarmament.

* We will not surrender our handguns.
* We will not surrender our hunting arms.
* And we will not surrender our firearms of military pattern or military utility, nor their proper furnishings, nor the right to buy, to sell, or to manufacture such items.

Anonymous said...

Firearms of military utility, which serve well and nobly in times of social disturbance as tools of defense for the law-abiding, serve also in the quiet role of prevention, against both the criminal and the tyrannical. An armed citizenry, the well-regulated militia of the Second Amendment, properly armed with military firearms, is a powerful deterrent, on both conscious and subconscious levels, to those inclined toward governmental usurpation's.

An armed citizenry stands as a constant reminder to those in power that, though they may violate our rights temporarily, they will not do so endlessly and without consequence. And should Americans again be confronted with the necessity of - may God forbid it - throwing off the chains of a tyrannical and suffocating regime, firearms designed to answer the particular demands of warfare will provide the swiftest and most decisive means to this end.

Any law which prohibits or limits a citizen's possession of firearms of military utility or their proper furnishings, provides an open window through which a corrupt government will crawl to steal away the remainder of our firearms and our liberties. Any law which prohibits or limits a citizen's possession of firearms of military utility or their proper furnishings, being directly contrary to the letter and spirit of the Second Amendment, is inimical to the Constitution, to the United States of America, and to its citizens.

Now. Today. We are witnessing the perilous times foreseen by the architects of the Constitution. These are times when our government is demanding (in the guise of measures for the common good) the relinquishment of several rights guaranteed to Americans in the Constitution, foremost among which is the right to keep and bear arms for our own defense. These are times when our government has abdicated its primary responsibility (to provide for the security of its citizens). Swift and sure punishment of outlaws is absent, and in its place is offered the false remedy of disarming the law-abiding. Where this unconstitutional action has been given the force of law, it has failed to provide relief and has produced greater social discord. This discord in turn now serves as the false basis for the demand that we give up other rights, and for the demand for more police, more agents of bureaucratic control to enforce the revocation of these rights.

Anonymous said...

Legislators, justices and law officers must bear in mind that the foundation of their duties is to uphold the fundamental law of the land - the Constitution. They must bear in mind that the unconstitutional act of disarming one's fellow citizens will also disarm one's parents, spouse, brothers, sisters, children and children's children. They must bear in mind that there are good citizens who, taking heed of George Washington's belief that arms are the liberty teeth of the people, will not passively allow these teeth to be torn out. There are good citizens who, taking heed of Benjamin Franklin's admonition that those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety, will surrender not one of their rights. Those who eat away at our right to own and use firearms are feeding on the roots of a plant over two centuries old, a plant whose blossom is the most free, most powerful nation ever to exist on the face of this planet.

The right to keep and bear arms is the tap root of this plant. All other rights were won at the point of a gun and will endure only at the point of a gun. Could they speak, millions upon millions of this world's dead souls would testify to this truth. Millions upon millions of the living can so testify today. Now - today - is a critical moment in our history.

Will we Americans passively lie down before a government grown disdainful of its best citizens? Or will we again declare:

WE are the government, government functions at our behest, and it may not rescind our sacred rights? Will we place our faith in public servants who behave like our masters? Or will we place our faith in the words and deeds of the daring, far-seeing men and women whose blood, sweat and tears brought forth this great nation?

Anonymous said...

Will we believe those who assure us that the police officer will shield us from the criminal? Or will we believe our eyes and ears, presented every day with news of our unarmed neighbors falling prey in their homes, on our streets, in our places of work and play?

Will we bow our heads to cowards and fools who will not learn and do not understand the lessons of human history? Or will we stand straight and assume the daily tasks and risks that liberty entails? Will we ignore even the lessons of this present era-which has seen the cruel oppression of millions on the continents of Europe, Asia, Africa and South America-and believe that the continent of North America is immune to such political disease? Or will we wisely accept the realities of this world wisely listen to and make use of the precautions provided by our ancestors?

Will we be deceived by shameless liars who say that disarmament equals safety, helplessness equals strength, and patriotism equals criminality? Or will we mark the words of our forefathers, who wrote in plain language: The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed?

Let us make known: We will choose the latter option in every case.

Legislators: Do your duty to your country. Uphold the Constitution as you swore to do. Do not shame yourselves by knocking loose the mighty keystone of this great republic - the right to bear arms.

Justices: Do your duty to your country. Examine the origins of our right to weaponry and uphold the letter and spirit of the Constitution.

Lawmen: Do your duty to your country. Do not be misguided and misused. Your task is to serve and to protect - not to oppress, to disarm and to make helpless your countrymen. To the blind, the ignorant, the apathetic, the safe and sheltered, these may seem to be concerns of another age. They are not. They are as vital as they ever have been through history. For times may change but human nature does not. And it is to protect forever against the evil in human nature that the Founding Fathers set aside certain rights as inviolable.

For these reasons we must now make known:

We will not passively take the path that leads to tyranny. We will not go down that road.
We Will Not Disarm.

Anonymous said...

"They can't go back.
They know it and we know it.
Now we just wait. "

Loved your post. Glad to know there are others out there getting ready for what is obviously coming. And you're right about the waiting. We MUST let them make the first move. But when that happens, we're going to make history.


Anonymous said...

This elevation of weapons to a sacred right
means 30,000 gun deaths a year.

Japan had 22, the UK had 39, Spain and Austria had less than 100, Germany had 250, gun murders last year.

The US had 9,000 gun murders, or 99% more than many peer nations, who have strict gun regulations. Of the 30 most advanced nations in the world, 29 have far less gun homicides than the US.

The most successful social reformers of the 20th Century were non-violent resisters like Ghandi,who brought down an Empire and Dr. King, who ended legal discrimination in the US.

Those without guns, who renounce violence, are the only ones who can create change, for their means is their goal, whereas those who use violence can never create peace.

This fantasy of taking on the greatest military in the world, in direct violation of the Constitution, which says the purpose of a well-regulated militia is to defend against foreign attack and insurrections. Against insurrections not to foment them. Your laptop anonymous call for armed insurrection means that I, as a gun owner, now have the right to shoot you, in fidelity to the Constitutional mandate for the militia (ie any gun owner) to bear arms to defeat insurrection.

So, sir, if you are calling for insurrection, those of us who believe int he Constitution will restrain you. My weapon is my handy pocket copy of the Constitution.

So put that gun away. We need brains now, not more killing.

Anonymous said...

I survived hurrican Katrina. I was fortunate to live on "high ground". Because I had stored fresh water, food supplies, had a generator and worked with my neighbors, we were safe. The police did not help us. We protected ourselves.Many of the police looted and left. The ones who stayed ended up taking orders from federal authorities. Door to door gun confications DID happen.( Do not ever admit you have a gun in your home) Police shot unarmed people who were trying to evacuate by foot. (see: Dawnbringer Bridge shooting,Katrina)People were herded and prevented from leaving the city under their own power. The filth and unspeakable crimes that the detainees were force to endure will never be forgotten in this area.
DO NOT EVER GIVE UP THE ABILITY TO DEFEND YOURSELF............ Prepare, prepare, prepare.
The fools in this country who believe that the police and government officals will save you when TSHTF will be the first to die.

Anonymous said...

The problem is............nothing is coming, more of the same, deja vu. Status quo day in day out.

The rich get richer; and we get the screw.

I am a non-prepper. I don't believe in hoarding.
If food is scarce, we will eat the rich.


Anonymous said...

These criminals arms have been used in SERBIA against civilians - nobody wanted to help Serbian people - now, on youtube, search for: SHOCKING TRUTH - MILOSEVIC WAS INNOCENT

animal farm said...

"That rifle on the wall of the laborer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy, and it is our job to see that it stays there."

Eric Blair aka George Orwell

Penny Pincher said...

Dale, there aren't that many rich. When the 99% are done eating the 1% they'll have to eat each other. Get some damn food you fool.

Myke said...

This is a ruse. Demonize Hollow Point bullets. Forbid civilian purchase. Civilians are restricted to solid non expanding bullets. label these non expanding bullets "Armor Piercing 'Cop Killer' Bullets" ban civilian possession of non expanding bullets.
Render firearms only capable of being used as clubs. It is discovered in .005 seconds that handguns are poor clubs. Outlaw baseball equipment for non professional baseball players.
Write horror stories about hunting knives especially "Excessively large folding hunting knives." Outlaw machetes
and "Long Bladed Weapons 'Disguised' as Garden tools" I could go on. They will. English & Australian law forbids among other "Deadly Weapons" shots.

Anonymous said...

You can vote for Romney and have WWIII
You can vote for Barack and have a Civil War
You can write in Ron Paul and have a Republic
No matter which happens, the prepared citizen wins

Anonymous said...

What if Russian soldiers are going to use them against us (the undesirables %90)
Heard there was a Russian sub sitting in the gulf of Mexico undetected for some time.

Anonymous said...

"The most successful social reformers of the 20th Century were non-violent resisters like Ghandi,who brought down an Empire and Dr. King, who ended legal discrimination in the US."

LOL Who's talking about social reform? This is about defending America against all enemies foreign *and domestic*. If you think that backing this government equates to backing the Constitution, then you are a fool. Non-violent resistance is what's happening RIGHT NOW. And I along with millions of other Americans are betting that non-violent resistance will fail..and then the next stage will begin. That is why the above poster, as well as myself, clearly stated that all there is to do right now is wait. Because unlike yourself, we are students of world history and KNOW how these things tend to go down. That is why we prepare and train.


Anonymous said...

I should add that the Obama Administration's bizarre ammo purchases probably reflects, in part, the budgetary constraints faced by key departments or agencies as DHS expands its acquisition of hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition. Even the FBI and ATF could go over-budget quite quickly trying to reach the munitions goals of the ever wild and reckless umbrella taskmaster currently embarked on its latest mission of political and social dominance. Hence the likely compulsory contributions made by such innocuous folks as the Social Security and National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administrations. You can bet these agencies won't be taking delivery of any type of ammunition any time soon, nor will they be cheering the DHS and its mad pilferage of the scarce resources they desperately need to meet their respective budget goals. Stealing from Peter to pay Paul is nothing new, even if Paul's beltline is starting to look like a vast munitions dump.

Anonymous said...

I believe that DHS is undertaking these ammunition purchases to create scarcity in the ammo market as critical events eventually unfold and armed incursion into states and municipalities to battle resistance forces opposing martial law is deemed necessary to preserve public order. Without ammunition available in key categories--e.g. .40 S&W, 10mm, 9mm .357--patriots everywhere will not be able to continue fighting the military units sent in to defeat them. Expect ammo shortages anytime now. And especially note the apparent DHS concern with hollow points. These aren't rounds likely to be used against the resistance, at least not in large numbers. The real concern at DHS is that these rounds will be used against law enforcement and the U.S. military and must therefore be taken off the market. Imagine what a black talon can do to body armor and you'll see what I mean.

Anonymous said...

tell me something here as i'm really CURIOUS-
WHY would the gubmint PUBLICIZE this info ?
let everybody know what they're doing ?
and of course many won't get the gist of what i'm askin either.
agents provocetours perhaps ???
and HAS ANYONE VERIFIED THIS CRAP simply by getting ahold of a reliable source as in a munitions employee ? munitions distributor ? even others STATING A SHORTAGE OF AVAILABILITY to all outside the gubmint ?
OF COURSE NOT but cop on/yap on about your home arsenal etc etc.

Anonymous said...

I had to laugh at the reasons given by federal agencies for their 2012 purchases of truly huge supplies of ammunition. Such deception clearly has as its object the normalization of what can only be characterized as an unprecedented policy of munitions stockpiling for some unstated public purpose. As I've argued above, DHS probably lacks a primary funding source and must therefore tap the resources of individual agencies and departments to continue funding its ammunition acquisition program. That the federal bureaucracy feels compelled to justify such purchases on an agency-by-agency basis, however, makes one wonder just what is going on at Social Security and the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, for example, that mandates such cockamamie nonsense. You mean to tell me this scale of ammo stockpiling has been occurring regularly, perchance even annually? I don't think so.

Richard Weatherill said...

One poster said this ammunition is going to rebels in Syria. That is totally unneccesary, as what is happening in Syria will soon enough be happening here when things REALLY go down the toilet.

Anonymous said...

I figure they will be coming for me first.
Buy all the food and water and ammo you can.

“Born free and plan on dying that way”

Anonymous said...

Point one.

At this point you should be arming yourself to the teeth.

Point 2.

This article is good news because it means the government computers have established that the peopleare about yo fight back against their oppression. That is a good thing.

Rick Weatherill said...

Except - the "Cubans" are DHS troops.....

Weltgeist said...

If there is nothing to fear, then why anonymous? Why can't you use your real names on here?! I want the Govt. to know they're going down really soon for tyranny. These men in office are all guilty of high treason on a massive level! If they don't like it, I hope I get shot by some of that ammo, and they can put me out of my misery. Better to die free standing, then on your knees as a slave. If you cannot also create jobs that pay $_$ & support living conditions, then they're equally worthless. They no longer serve our interest at all, only their own.

Anonymous said...

The dept of home land security which oversees all domestic anti terrorism also deals with espianage and immigration. Does that not bring the possibility of forign nationals or agents back? Or does the DEA and ATF carry 2 types of ammo near the boarder or when dealing with Russian gun smugglers. Since they also work with traditional militery personell(national guard pilots and do so carring rank, should they not be subject to the uniform malitia acts and carry standard military equipment,9mm instead of 40cals? The rullings of the early ninteys are pre DHS authorization at that time local and federal law enforcment was not formaly intagrated with military assets

Anonymous said...

Even if someone confiscates all of the guns in America,there is always a source for guns.They have to eat,sleep and poo sometime.Kill them and take their guns.

Anonymous said...

How exactly did things get better after Ghandi?

Do tell.

To the guy in DENIAL above

You want people to start naming names? Pfft!

They are preparing for something and we are not being included in what that is.

Ryan said...

i know the whole story has sort of gotten buried with the election, but here's an interesting graphical look into the government's purchase of hollowpoint bullets.

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