Obama Calls Alternative Media “Domestic Propagandists”

obama-angryBy Kurt Nimmo

The war on alternative media intensified today when Obama blamed talk radio and other “domestic propagandists” for the rise of “fake news.”

“If fake news that’s being released by some foreign government is almost identical to reports that are being issued through partisan news venues, then it’s not surprising that that foreign propaganda will have a greater effect,” Obama said. “It doesn’t seem that farfetched compared to some of the other stuff folks are hearing from domestic propagandists.”

“To the extent that our political dialogue is such that everything is under suspicion, everybody’s corrupt and everybody is doing things for partisan reasons and all of our institutions are, you know full of malevolent actors and if that’s the story that is being put out there, then when a foreign government introduces that same argument, the facts are made up, voters who have been listening to that stuff for years, who have been getting that stuff every day from talk radio or other venues, they’re going to believe it.”

In other words, if the alternative media investigates and posts a story about the government and this is picked up by Russian state media, then it is a categorical lie.

See Obama’s remarks here.

Kurt Nimmo is the editor of Another Day in the Empire, where this article first appeared. He is the former lead editor and writer of Infowars.com. Donate to ADE Here.

  • BeeTheChange

    There is no bigger domestic propagandist in this country than this “I got bin Laden” Nobel Peace Prize Kenyan-born Constitutional Law Professor.

    • dale ruff

      How about Trump I will deport 11 million “illegals” or I will clean the swamp (by installing my billiionaire Wall St cronies and neo con war hawks and fascists like Bannon)? Compared to Obama’s many lies, Trump wins in a landslide!

      • BeeTheChange

        “What difference, at this point, does it make?” There are no winners in the Who Is The Biggest Liar game.

        • dale ruff

          What difference does it make whether the attack on the gun running operation in Behghazi was triggered by a video which had triggered riots in other ME nations or other motives? What matters is that we realize the truth: the US was smuggling weapons to al Quada in Syria, from Behghazi, thru Turkey to Syria. The rest is just masquerade, cover up.

          The Benghazi attack was a result of US destruction of Libya, by patriots (those who defend their homeland from foreign invadrs), whatever the trigger was.

          By taking Clinton’s quote out of context, you further obscure the truth, which is that both parties know the truth but are afraid to admit a consensus to arm terrorists to take down Assad. Now you know.

          “CIA ‘running arms smuggling team in Benghazi when consulate was attacked’
          The CIA has been subjecting operatives to monthly polygraph tests in an attempt to suppress details of a reported US arms smuggling operation in Benghazi that was ongoing when its ambassador was killed by a mob in the city last year, according to reports.” telegraph.co.uk

          ” The Obama administration pursued a policy in Libya back in 2011 that ultimately allowed guns to walk into the hands of jihadists linked to the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL) and al-Qaeda (AQ) in Syria, according to a former CIA officer who co-authored a report on behalf of the Citizen’s Commission on Benghazi.” breitbart

          “The U.S. special mission in Benghazi and the nearby CIA annex were utilized in part to coordinate arms shipments to the jihadist rebels fighting the Syrian regime, with Ambassador Christopher Stevens playing a central role, documents an explosive new book released today.

          The activities, which included a separate, unprecedented multi-million-dollar weapons collection effort from Libyan militias who did not want to give up their weapons, may have prompted the Sept. 11, 2012, attack…” globalresearch.

          Worth noting: both parties knew about this, and of course, there was no al Quada in Arabia until the Bush criminal war created them. This does not excuse Obama and Clinton (and the Republicans who supported the ME wars) but it traces the original sin back to its origins in the lies that Bush told to create a pretext for a war that was criminal in origins and execution.

          Look beyond the Dem/Repub fake outs and digest the truth.

          • BeeTheChange

            I know all that, you don’t need to lecture me. Both parties are at fault for all of it, I didn’t vote for any of them because I’m not partisan.

          • steve larsen

            Good reply bee the change….d ruff is a know it all

          • BeeTheChange

            Yes, I see that. He has a “world class” education. It’s a pity that didn’t include any psychology, manners, vocabulary, logic, or lessons on hubris and humility.

          • dale ruff

            I don’t know it all; that is why I go to people who have spent their lives studying a subject and submitting it to peer review, which never ends. Name calling is childish, steve.

          • blue579

            He’s attempting to propagate a false narrative and limited hangouts by replying to you. The Assad clan, like Russian elites, are lackeys for the NWO…the latter a slam dunk proof positive assertion, something a Haaavard pol sci dude should know.

          • eddysachs

            Right on target …that’s why we’re receiving FLAK

          • blue579

            Good to see it’s you, Eddysachs! 🙂 I wondered if a certain person might take the bait for a good flaying. lol Note to self for next time: need juicier [can of] worms.

          • BeeTheChange

            Yo, eddy. This is the reincarnated OS. She’s baaaack!

          • eddysachs

            Cheers …so glad you’re still viable …missed your intrepid perspicacity (lol) …just ‘Got’ who I’m talking to (I upvoted you ‘before’ realizing it was you..so you’re leaking out all over the palace as I was drawn to your commentary anyway -lol)
            .. I’ve been going thru a course of medication & experiencing 100% good results …so I’m back in the land of the living as well after a short hiatus…Isle of View

          • BeeTheChange

            Best of luck keeping those good results flowing. What is Isle of View?

          • eddysachs

            What do you say to your significant ‘other’ or your children?..when you’re about to hang up the phone?…just repeat ‘Isle of View’ a little faster & you’ll ‘Get it” (lol)…& you’ll have a good laffff on yourself…amazing how the mind works….forest & the trees kind of brain teaser magic….with a beautiful sentiment.

          • BeeTheChange

            How beautiful. I will make that mine, too. Thank you.

          • eddysachs

            That’s why I gave it you for X-mass ….would have luvvved to be there when you ‘Got’ the Ah- ha! (lol)….cheers

          • BeeTheChange

            Ya, I wrote sentences and got a book reply. Haaaavard, you say? Maybe they get paid by the word like real writers.

          • blue579

            Cut and paste, yep, I’ve gotten the deluge too! Worse, it’s so tangential as to slip off the reality page. Talkin’ past each other while being pummeled over the head with Kool-Aid Zeitgeist. We’ve had a couple of entertaining jousts, neuroscience chic vs. older Harvard pol sci academic ideologue (probably not paid is my guess) debating geopolitics. Sometimes hilarious in that very ironic way…had to be there, trust me. 🙂

          • BeeTheChange

            Totally with you, as usual. I’ve had a few linguistic jousts myself lately, not with Mr. Ruff and Tuff here, elsewhere. I’ve noticed a sea change in the Disqus platform. I’ve noted another disturbing trend- researching via browser gives up only mainstream sources. Guess I’m going to have to find some passion other than debating the Kool-Aid Zeitgeist Haavard Set. Great term BTW, I might borrow it on occasion!

            You’re my reality check, blue. Yep, we’re both still here beating our heads against walls, trying to roust the last of the sleepers. I feel like I’ve done this all before somewhere else, many times.

          • blue579

            You’re right on target, every single observation. Your last sentence reflects my exact sentiments, esp. felt powerfully the last few days. Please borrow any and all, I’m always honored. Besides, it’s our nature to learn from each other on our way to warp speed consciousness shifting away from vampires intent on consuming our higher selves. 😉 We can’t get too comfortable, yet, still hittin’ the wall.

          • BeeTheChange

            Sister truth warriors, we are. I feel that power surge too, but I usually feel this particular type of portal energy during solstices. These energies can be used very effectively as a gateway for intention setting. Gimme some of that good ol’ warp speed consciousness shifting.

          • blue579

            I’m particularly looking forward to this coming solstice. Gateway to some very new energies involving convergence, me thinks, ours and theirs. Got my lasso ready, R.

          • BeeTheChange

            Great! I love convergence! Heh, this book Starfish/Spider… this is terrific information, just what I needed to gel some stuff I’ve been thinking about. I love the writing style and I’m totally on board with the decentralization premise and how it works. Thanks for sharing that with whomever it was you were talking with when I butted in…. 🙂

          • blue579

            You’re welcome! I’ve taken a lot of deep dives into this area. Of late, I’ve been thinking about how to clearly distinguish true decentralization with the handcuff versions being foisted in realms of the alt sphere. It always gets down to the tracking and who controls resource allocation, local vs. global, the latter can be made to look appear local when it isn’t. Another of my works in progress. Stay tuned! lol

          • BeeTheChange

            Yes… here’s my work in progress. So far at least, this seems to be the main message of S&S- The harder you fight a decentralized opponent, the stronger it gets. This is the key to how to move forward from here. Here’s my Apache story…there is a huge discussion taking place all over Montana about the recent vote approving medical marijuana. Actually, this was the THIRD time since 2004 that the referendum had been voted in favor by a large majority of Montanans, but it’s always beat back by corporate interests and white coats filing lawsuits and other bothersome nonsense. The issue was given to the public to decide but the medical profession claims the public isn’t smart enough to understand all the issues. So this doctor decides to lead The Charge of the Dark Brigade and I wade into the battle against her with all guns blazing. This happens to be one of my pet peeves: doctors who lecture on the dangers of cannabis while they push truly dangerous psychotropics, opiates, and antidepressants that are literally killing people. My volunteer EMT Obi Wan husband has the job of scraping these people off the floor after they die from prescription overdoses. The more I argued point for point, the more people appeared out of nowhere and piled on her head, and a major fracas ensued where a lot of good information came to light from a wide variety of sources. I did a lot of damage to her and then disappeared, others took my place. These are all local folks unknown to each other, but in a very short time a truth army formed up and blasted this arrogant doctor into a sniveling mess. So yes, the harder they push, the stronger we get… yes, yes, and yes. There are some excellent lessons in a starfish.

          • blue579

            Awesome story, OS. In a nutshell, decentralized systems have two essential features: they’re highly resilient and capable of rapid ‘learning’ (rapid annealing of information). Exactly mirroring the strategy of the most elegant information systems in the universe which is evolution (hang with me here!), balance in ecosystems, and homeostasis in complex organisms. Not sure if you have a limited view of evolution or reject it. Clearly the evolution process exists as it’s been observed in real time in insects and other short lived species and the evidence for it on the longer scale is overwhelming (to include molecular genetics), not a house of cards like climate change and more sound than allopathic medicine (as a science, not as a social/health construct – not an apologist here, I tear med sci apart at the drop of a hat and have been since my 20s). imo, there’s room for alternative views powerful outside forces have influenced the process. I believe I’ve become uber adept at riding the thin lines of dualities, finding the sharp contrasts that guide me to optimal clarity helping me avoid falling into crevasses of limiting perspectives. That’s a discussion for another time. 🙂 I’m just sayin’ we can glean details of how the process works beautifully from Mother Nature herself – evolution reflected in a refining of DNA (rapid annealing and assimilation of new data) being the best example I know, and it’s a fractal of how ecosystems work – the language of mathematics. Contrast this with centralized systems that are inherently brittle and slow to adapt. The old USSR model is a good example. Lots of examples in business models, societies, and ecosytems. One major component goes kaput and the entire system can collapse.

          • BeeTheChange

            I totally see what you’re saying. No one could be happier than I am that Darwin’s theory of evolution be proven wrong. Now that we have birthed new information regarding the electric universe and holographic reality, we are getting very close to The Theory of Everything that actually works without exceptions slapped on like Band Aids. It so freaking exciting every time a piece is brought by some brilliant mind and placed into the puzzle. I felt that excitement just reading the title of S&S because I knew it held a key. I read half the book last night. I love all his examples, Craig’s List, Burning Man… it’s like a road map to the future. I guess all that freewheeling chaos scares the control freaks but the energy created is liberating.

            To run with your evolution idea a bit, it clearly does exist in real time and can be seen. I have been watching birds all my life and I can see evolution taking place with my own eyes. It doesn’t take millions of years of “mistakes” called mutations. That whole notion always pissed me off. We are all holograms and fractals of Source, which is the driving force of nature, and these energy waves and blasts that I keep telling you about are the actual mechanism of DNA upgrading. Our own DNA is being upgraded in one lifetime. The notion that we are victims of our genetics is totally wrong. We drive our genetics with our thoughts and our conscious ability to acquire light energy. That notion alone changes EVERYTHING. Because our sun acts as a transformer of these light blasts, stepping them down for organic life to use safely (sunlight feels like love) when you stand in the sunshine and soak it up, you can literally feel your body lighting up inside if you have this conscious awareness of what is taking place.

            Wow…. I freaking LOVE this stuff!

          • eddysachs

            I concur!..cheers

          • U3O8

            Nicely articulated. Bravura !

          • U3O8

            Lmao !

          • eddysachs

            Two wings on the self same vulture (lol)

          • U3O8

            Yes, two Wolves fighting over the flock.
            But, by all means let’s continue to use a broken corrupt criminal system to fix that system. Insanity x a gigaparsec.

          • eddysachs

            Jeeze!…I just got that myself visually…finally!…after staring rt at it & understanding the reality but missed the visual…Cheers for that

          • U3O8

            Ah yes Ziggy Brzezinski’s ‘Arc of Crisis’s cascading domino underpinings theory as he reports to the BORG’s STAKEHOLDERS…

            Think I’m gonna hurl some sepsis bile that is stuck in my craw.

          • dale ruff

            I have no idea what you mean except is is an insult. When you insult, you lose.

          • U3O8

            Insult ?
            Where is the insult ?
            Ah, I get it so rather than do the research or ask for clarification you would rather go to the victim & play an insult card. There was no insult in reality your cognitive dissonance prevents you from learning or keeping an open or objective mind.

            Good luck w/ that !

          • dale ruff

            You have lost. Adieu.

      • steve larsen

        He is not even president yet so stop your jive. Bannon is terrific a brilliant man. Obama lies continuously all he has to do is open his mouth. He singlehandedly destroyed the demon crat party. Obama keep talking trump looks better everyday

        • dale ruff

          So you are a neo-fascist like Bannon. Thanks for exposing your true colors.

          Trump is a pathological liar and has appointed neo con war hawks hot to start WWIII by bombing Iran (military allie of Russian and China), crony billionaires, Wall St tycoons, and of course, the fascist Bannon.

          Trump has no consent and therefore, according to the Declaration of Independence, has no legitimacy; historically, rulers without consent must rule with violence, iintimidation, and lies. That is why Bannon is there: he is a master of the Big Lie.

          • steve larsen

            Ok start the name calling…what BIG LIE did steve Bannon do again? By the way whether you like or not he is in so get used to it. Trump does not have consent for what?

        • dale ruff

          He has already tried to intimidate Dept of Energy and created hostile relations with China and Russia, before taking office! Do you support greater hostility and arms races?

      • jandr0

        [by installing my billiionaire Wall St cronies and neo con war hawks…]

        Oh no! War hawks! Trump must have offered prime war hawk Hillary a position and I have not even read about it yet!

        • dale ruff

          Yeah, the same war hawks who claimed Saddam was responsible for 9/11, who wrote the PNAC manifesto for world domination, who still defend the Iraq War, who want to bomb Iran, who want to exterminate Muslims: Woolsey, Hadley, Flynn, Mattis, Bolton…all Bush era war hawks who promoted a criminal war costing half a million innocent lives and 4 trillion in debt, spreading al Quada from 1 nation to 33.
          The very same. The cost of the Iraq War, beyond killing half a million, is $40,000 per household, to be paid in higher taxes, as each year the US spends more on repaying debt on previous wars (over 200 billion) than any other nation spends on defense. The banks love it! So do the energy cartels! So do the weapons makers!

          Wake up!

      • U3O8

        What a cacaphony of paradoxical conundrums.

    • blue579

      Yeah, OS, and Obama gave us neo-Bernays mega propagandist Cass Sunstein, Mister Anti-9/11 Truth cognitive infiltration. …ignorance is strength.

      • U3O8

        Ha Ha !

    • U3O8

      Maybe a few in history but incontemporanous history not many indeed.

  • LongLeggs

    Community organizer -FAIL!!

    • dale ruff

      Jesus was a community organizer, as was Obama, who worked for the Catholic
      Church to help the poor. He will end up as one of our most popular Presidents.

      Truman ended with 32% approval; Eisenhower at 60%; Johnson at 49%; Nixon at 23%; Ford at 52%; Carter at 33%; Reagan at 62%; Bush I at 55%; Clinton at 66%; Bush II at 32%.

      Obama is currently at 57%, or higher than any Presidents since WWII except Reagan and Clinton.

      History will record his 2 terms and high popularity as a success. Do you hate Jesus?

      • steve larsen

        More Crony corporate media jive…57% pure bovine excrement. Like 95 million Americans looking for work yet unemployment rate under 5%!!

      • BeeTheChange

        OMG, you’re an Obama fanboy? I didn’t know people like you still existed. That explains your lack of logic and common sense. I’m not a religious type but even I wouldn’t compare Jesus to a liar like Obama, that’s a huge insult to an ascended master.

        • steve larsen

          Droned hundreds of innocents to death….then laughed about it a real piece of work our prez!

          • BeeTheChange

            They’re all psychopaths, each and every one. Pizzagate gave us just a glimpse behind the curtain of insanity that rules our country. The curtain hasn’t been fully opened yet, but it will be. I don’t know what kind of person Trump is or what type of president he will be, I don’t much care. I didn’t vote and I’m not responsible for anything that any of them do anymore. They’re on their own, in their own little world of evil. Everyone has this choice. If we all turned our backs on their circus, stop funding it by giving it our energy, they would pack up their tent and go home. This is all it would take to bring the system down but it’s so simple no one believes they have this power. Sorry, I didn’t mean to preach… hehehe.

      • doucyet

        The “Catholic Church” didn’t exist in times of Christ and he didn’t affiliate with any religious organization of the period. Also, your obama is rated by the same polls that overwhelmingly chose Clinton for the president.

        • steve larsen

          He supposedly admits that corporate media is false news but cherry picks their BS to suit his position.

      • Chondra

        Obama at 57%? Sure and all the polls said Hillary was at 80% and going to win.

      • steve larsen

        Who conducted polls….DNC?

  • TONY LANE

    does the fake news include the fake president, because this creature that you have posing as a president will not become one Untill all my orifices heal over.

    • dale ruff

      Obama won two terms and has an approval rating in the top tier, at 57%. Only two Presidents since WWII have had more popular support. Compare Bush (unelected) who ended up in the 20s and Trump, who is approved by only 40% to start!

      The fake President is a racist attack you will deny, since “there is no racism anymore.” Hahahah

      • steve larsen

        Nobody believes corporate media polls dude. They said hillary had 98% chance to win election. Take a strong cup of coffee!

        • blue579

          LOL …another turbo zinger!

  • CAWS

    And main stream news is CORPORATE/ GOVT propaganda!

  • Lewie Paine

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    • blue579

      Great quote, telling too regarding the threat the internet poses as a form of open source communication…hence the reason their ultimate weapon to shut us down = electronic straight jackets. Decentralized systems being TPTB’s bête noire….good example is the Apache’s brilliantly adaptive strategy to fight off invaders, the most successful among Native Americans. Described in the Starfish and the Spider http://media.portland.indymedia.org/media/2008/10/380532.pdf

      • BeeTheChange

        Yo, I just started reading Starfish & Spider. It’s really fascinating, thanks!

        • blue579

          You’re welcome! I love looking at patterns. I may have told you awhile back, as little kid I was a natural code breaker of everything, figuring out how to read before beginning school, working out basic math principles, all kinds of stuff. Imagine what we could all work out together if given a chance. 🙂

          • BeeTheChange

            Oh but we are working it out together! When I was little I was a dot connector. I questioned everything and drew scandalous conclusions that upset everyone’s apple carts, read precocious classical literature in the third grade. Pssst… I don’t think we’re from here.

          • eddysachs

            my childhood echos your entrance to this world/dimension much like Blue’s I would imagine..cheeers

          • dale ruff

            Pssst….where are you from? Where did you graduate?

          • BeeTheChange

            I have five degrees from two universities. One in biology, one in botany and three in archeology/anthropology, including the study of human evolution. When we were discussing evolution and Darwin, you accused me of never having read Darwin, and called me ignorant, but I am smart enough to know that what I had to regurgitate in order to obtain all those worthless pieces of paper is WRONG. Do you think this makes me happy? Proud? Worthy of something? No, it pisses me off totally, so I have spent the remaining years of my life having to unlearn all that crap and replace it with truth as best I can. That’s what I do. You, on the other hand, are so convinced you’re a genius you are unable to listen anyone but the voices in your head. I’ve been trying to make this point to you over and over but you’re just TOO FREAKING STUPID to get it.

          • eddysachs

            Hear Here!

          • dale ruff

            Where did you get your degree and in what subject, blue?

          • steve larsen

            He is pulling the education card

    • eddysachs

      a Herman Goering quote…how apropos

      • dale ruff

        It’s from Goebbels Principles of Propaganda. Trump read Hitlers speechs and learned how to use the Big outrageoys lie to sway the masses, as an a natural snake oil salesman.

        Goering, a morphine addict, was more a Gestapo leader; Goebbels was the Minister of Propaganda. Hitler was also a tweaker. Trump claims he has never taken drugs or alcohol and warns people against it. Yet he sells Trump Vodka!

        • eddysachs

          Logic should tell you that if I can spot a quote from Goering without the author being listed..I obviously know about the background history.

          …unless you are altruistically & selflessly supplying additional edification for other people to connect the dots.

        • steve larsen

          Trump read hitler’s speeches. Actually Hitler was a very effective orator. Hitler threw out the bad bankers. Hitler put everyone to work.

        • steve larsen

          Hitler was a tweaker…what does that have to do with the price of potatoes.

          • dale ruff

            Trump learned from Hitler, a drug addict, as were many Nazis. The point is that a man who preaches against alcohol but sells Vodka, a man who studied the propaganda techniques of Hitler, is a hypocrite.

          • steve larsen

            A man does not necessarily have to drink to sell it….is there a law I am unaware of.

    • dale ruff

      Yes, Trump learned this lesson well when he read the book of Hitler’s speeches, given to him by a friend. His Big Lie to start his campaign was that the bordere cities are dangerous and that Mexicans are rapists, etc. In fact, the border cities are the safest and undocumented immigrants have a much lower crime rate than US citizens. You can see this documented in my articles on the Big Lie at opednews.com. Check my documentation, check Trump’s lies, and then come back and admit that the quote from Goebbels applies very much to Trump’s Big Lie, repeated at each rally.l.

      • steve larsen

        You have studied trump’s behavior? The mexican govt. sends over their worst ..criminals….free loaders….malcontents…build the wall.Border towns are a hellhole
        Your documentation is left wing communist swill.

        • dale ruff

          No, it is based on FBI data, Bureau of Prisons data, and best available evidence. Trump’s lie are, he admits, a fantasy to sucker the “morons,” as he call us.

          Name-calling is childish; when you dismiss evidence with smears, you lose.

          • steve larsen

            FBI data well now then it must be right….they never politicize statistics do they.

  • sam541

    Corporate media in the USA and around the world has been posting State Department propaganda as news for years. The recent rise in alternative media has them flabbergasted and in a sweat because they are no longer controlling the narrative.

    • dale ruff

      it’s time to understand that the government has been taken over by the corporate elites.

      • steve larsen

        No sh** tell us something we don’t already know.

        • blue579

          Notice he (and the left establishment as a rule) never point their finger at the banksters because that will implicate the Rockefellers’ & Rockefellers’ UN constructs (esp. Agendas 21 and the Marxist gulag that will be the final phases of 2030). When the banks are mentioned it’s only on the level of reforming the system into a bigger, uglier beast – they put lipstick and falsies on their new technocracy package to sell it. His commentary along this entire thread is a demonstration of his limited hangout BS spiel.

          • steve larsen

            No they love globalism because it can impose rules.

          • blue579

            It’s always about control, right? Try to dig into UN Agenda 2030 if you can. It represents a level of control most people can’t begin wrap their heads around – hard core techno feudal Marxism cloaked in seductive SMART technology.

  • littljo

    So the MSM spew would have us believe that:
    9/11 was a bunch of camel jockeys that some how flew ze plane, ze plane(s) into the towers and down they came (such shoddy workmanship, probably a bunch of illegal immagrunts).
    Sandy hoax was a rampage against little kids by an angst filled 90 pound weakling (ever fire an AR inside, without ear plugs?).
    Florida, Missouri, Charlie Hebdo, Bataclan and too many to list, right the Boston Marathon and the Bat man shooting.
    Spew on MSM you overplayed your lies.
    Believe in your self, trust your self.
    Gooferment is nothing but lies and the fascist MSM spews the script.

    BTW: Please put up a warning the next time the no-name potus face is posted. Purdy much freaked me out.

    • dale ruff

      You are poisoning the well of legitimate conspiracy facts with absurdities, the very tactic used by the CIA to block investigations into the JFK murder, 9/11, etc. Don’t do the work of the Cia; expose their tactics, which includes lumping absurd and legitimate allegatins together in order to discredit all of them . “no-name potus face” is a form of cultural genocide, racist and ugly.

      • steve larsen

        Take it easy with the university PC crap ..dale

  • dale ruff

    Another fake headline and lie: Obama did not say “alternative media” but ” partisan news venues,”

    Does anyone doubt this is true? Partisan news media do spread propaganda: that is their mission.

    • BeeTheChange

      The word “partisan” has numerous connotations depending on the POV of the person using it. This is ObamaSpeak for “whatever we don’t sanction is partisan.”

      • dale ruff

        Partisan has a very clear meaning: it means a view that favors one party or another. It does not mean “alternative media” since the alternative media is a hodgepodge of all views.

        You are trying to escape from recognizing a lie: partisan is not alternative.

        • BeeTheChange

          Why are you attacking me? I’m not trying to escape anything. Partisan can certainly mean alternative, meaning “alternative to the propaganda narrative.” What’s your beef exactly?

          partisan
          noun
          1 conservative partisans: supporter, follower, adherent, devotee, champion; fanatic, fan, enthusiast, stalwart, zealot, booster.
          2 the partisans opened fire from the woods: guerrilla, freedom fighter, resistance fighter, underground fighter, irregular (soldier).
          adjective
          partisan attitudes: biased, prejudiced, one-sided, discriminatory, colored, partial, interested, sectarian, factional.

          • dale ruff

            Information is not an attack but a gift. Why did you single out the enemy of the right wing in one of her more truthful statements?

            Partisan does not equal alternative, since alternative includes all points of view.

            Partisan means working on behalf of a party iin the context Obama referenced, not WWII fighters. Fox, NBC, etc are partisan; the alternative media includes all partisan viewpoints, as well as independent and objective news sources.

            Fox is partisan but not alternative. The terms are not interchangeable. I mean not to attack but to expose errors, which is a gift.

          • BeeTheChange

            No, “alternative” does not include all POVs, it only means non-mainstream media/agenda. The only error being made here is that you assume you know everything and that I am in need correction. You can stop lecturing now, that would be a gift.

          • dale ruff

            It actually does. Non-stream includes all points of view. I assume only that logic is better than illogic. You are commting the logical fallacy of the undistributed middle.

            Correcting errors is a gift, not an insult.

            Alternative media includes all (common) viewpoints.
            Alternative media includes partisan viewpoints.
            Alternative media includes non-partisan viewpoints.

            Therefore, Alternative media does not = partisan viewpoints, tho in includes them.

            Please don’t be offended.

          • BeeTheChange

            Well fine, dale, if that makes you happy. But again, what difference, at this point, does it make? That’s not just a Hillary quote, it sums up the entire system the matrix minions have set up. The corporations and their elitist owners own the matrix that allows alternative media to exist. They can take the whole thing down in a second if they want to, so parsing “partisan” ad nauseum is pointless given the bigger picture. The only reason they don’t take it all down is because their commercial interests such as trading platforms and little “start ups” like Amazon would be financially affected. That’s the whole purpose behind this “fake media’ ploy, to target the part of the freewheeling internet that has become annoying. You may think you are educating me, but you are not very adept at reading between the lines of the lies.

          • dale ruff

            What pleases me is seeing lies and myths, which enslave us, exposed. Taking a quote out of context in a partisan way and then saying it sums up the entire system is not logical. There is much fake media: activist post posts fake news all the time, including this article.

            I have a world class education, since you criticize my reading skills, a the top public and private universities in the world under top scholars: I got it by rising from parents with 8th grade education through my proven intellectual skills. So, where were you educated to be qualifed to say I lack critical skills?

            You can read my expose of lies at Quora and opednews and other alternative media to correct your mistaken impression that I lack the education to read between the lines. I have read between your lines and find an inability to distinguish “partisan”
            from alternative nor to recognize a well-educated journalist who has clearly offended you, for which I apologize. My intent was to correct. It is not parsing to distinguish terms that are not equal” it is the basis of intelligent discussion.

            “If you wish to converse with me,” said Voltaire, “define your terms.”

          • BeeTheChange

            Wow, I’m impressed. World class, eh? And a journalist too? Then you should at least understand that what I wrote was not partisan (you might to go back and reread the synonyms and connotations I provided for you) nor was it out of context because Hillary’s quote thoroughly summarized the context of everything that has happened since she uttered those words to Congress who, BTW are all educated like you and so freaking smart they believed her and said basically, “Well yes, it’s all in the past” and let her slide, again, leading to what is happening today with the fake news agenda that caused her to lose, so she claims. Those words exactly describe the situation then and now.

            … and stop bragging. It makes you look petulant and haughty.

          • steve larsen

            Self proclaimed world class…a legend in his own mind.

          • blue579

            Ivy League which gave us Yale Skull & Bones. Kerry & Bush. …Dale a Harvard educated political scientist who refuses to flesh out the most seminal pol sci tome of our time, Quigley’s Hope and Tragedy, and once told me the Hegelian dialectic was NOT a factor in domestic political or geopolitical machinations.

          • steve larsen

            Yea ivy league boy….lives off mom and dad’s money I bet..

          • blue579

            in his 70s, I believe – guessing he drank the 60s era Marxist Kool Aid, probably an apologist for Obama’s domestic terrorist old pal Bill Ayers (still publicly good friends). Ayers, being a convicted felon – Communist Weather Underground bombings in the US, formally classified as a “domestic terrorist”. Ayers famously told an FBI undercover agent on wire tap it would be necessary to exterminate millions of Americans (patriots, thought criminals) when the final communist revolution comes to the US, which is now cloaked in 2030 technocracy….going back to the 1930s calling for dismantling of the electoral college system. Voila! Another example of Hegelian sorcery: problem, reaction, solution.
            https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/2016/12/14/leading-scholar-outs-global-elite-endgame-technocracy/
            ….Apologies for these “data dumps” if you already know all of this. I’m trying to unwind Dale’s disinfo while throwing out some bread crumbs. Thanks. Blue579

          • steve larsen

            Wow he actually said that about hegelian dialectic…geez..amazing. All you have to do is look at Europe with muslim immigration.

          • blue579

            Exactly, one of a gazillion examples.

          • steve larsen

            Dale we have all figured out is an intellectual snob who loves to obfuscate.

          • steve larsen

            The problem with a pathological liar such as obama is that anyone who disagrees with him is wrong. By the way it is pretty obvious from listening to him. He is also delusional.

          • dale ruff

            I think you are looking in the mirror, steve. You lie so you think everyone lies: denial/projection.

          • steve larsen

            There are many documented lies on obama…he is CIA from way back..mother worked for ford foundation.

          • blue579

            Didn’t know she worked for F.F., interesting. Good tip. I had read she worked for a CIA front overseas. It’s been a long time, I should look for more background.

          • steve larsen

            Love busting his chops…so easy…yes his mom’s boss at FF was………………………….Frank Geithner…..ring a bell…….father of Tim geithner….obama’s boy at fed or treasury in the past. Remember didn’t pay taxes on his house or something.

          • BeeTheChange

            Not to butt in here but re: the Geithner connection… right after Obama was elected, Geithner was the first person he nominated, the ink wasn’t even dried on the voting ballots yet. I went into a total meltdown because I knew this was “the signal” that all was well to all those who placed him in the White House, and that we’d been had again. It’s one giant incestuous orgy of deceit…. don’t get me started… hahaha, sorry for butting in.

          • steve larsen

            It’s ok to butt in its a group thing anyway

          • steve larsen

            Do u believe this guy…steve Bannon is a fascist.?..and he tells me not to insult…typical leftist slug.

          • blue579

            Oh man, Geithner, huh? What a tangled web, wholly crap. btw, your comment didn’t show up yet, delay or memory holed. Not that I’m surprised as long as I’ve been at this. We know the major plots are deep and go back decades, generations, etc. …Yesterday I was thinking about Assange and all the hideous baggage he has, to apparently include having grown up in an Australian eugenicist cult, The White Brotherhood, that was directly tied to a psychiatric institute receiving LSD from the CIA, had to be for the MK Ultra program. Freakin’ bizarro Twilight Zone. Gotta laugh or we would go nuts. 😉

          • steve larsen

            If you believe obama tells the truth than you have issues.

          • blue579

            I just nailed Dale on Sunstein (devil in Obama admin) a few ticks up the thread. Love to pull his pants down, metaphorically speaking! 😉

          • steve larsen

            Good job

          • blue579

            thx, you too, great nipping at his heels

          • Average Joe American

            Wrong, Dale. The alternative media being referred to here is alternate to the mainstream. You are lecturing us in logic, as though to children who sit at your feet. We don’t.

            Over the years you’ve been accused of writing for money, presenting a limited hangout for the PTB.

            I’ve no opinion on the truth or falsity of the money accusation, but the limited hangout part? What you consistently do is commandeer conversations with unasked for encyclopedic facts and pastes about dots, often which are not germane but appear thrown in solely to impress and overwhelm, and you thereby attempt to take down the connections people who try to connect the dots are attempting to make. You sidetrack.

            Would it help for us to all simply acknowledge that yes, you can type, yes, you put a lot of time (which many of us don’t possess enough of) into your efforts to prove you’re smarter than some of the commenters here, that yes, you can wear others down? Fine.

            I doubt it would make a difference if we voted you Commenter of the Year. You aren’t smarter than all the commenters here. Just some of them. The rest of us, we watch you set up straw man arguments, declare victory, and we wonder why you changed the subject under discussion.

            This one’s not about Jesus vs. Obama, not about the rules of logic (trust me, some of us have studied the subject), Trump’s arguable failings, or about peoples’ feelings. It’s about a departing US President attacking dissenting media in such a way as to legitimize the altering the outcome of the Electoral vote, before it happens. He’s saying the Russians are the enemy, they hacked the Democratic Party’s emails to influence the popular election, ergo it’s okay for the Electoral College to vote as they choose, not as their states’ people have chosen. That’s the topic under discussion, Dale.

            Kurt Nimmo nails it: Obama says if Russian news picks up and repeats stories from OUR alternate news sources, they’re disseminating propaganda, ergo our alternate media is guilty of spreading propaganda. You like logic? That’s called a circular argument.

          • steve larsen

            Yea dale you are a real limited hangout why don’t you bug off or crawl back under that liberal rock whence you came.

          • blue579

            “Non stream” includes cointelpro, Operation Mockingbird, and all of the metastasizing crushing dark monstrosity of disinformation and mind control officially launched in the 1950s?? “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” Lenin

            There’s the rub, cointelpro controlled opposition being presented as alternative to establishment organs…shades of Gladio. While legitimate respectful erudite alternative perspectives to establishment BS such as 9/11 Truth are accused of having “crippled epistemologies” by Obama Ministry of Truth Czar Cass Sunstein who sought to attack 9/11 Truth via his Cognitive Infiltration program. After David Ray Griffin exposed Sunstein’s fraud and mendacity, he left the Obummer admin to slink back to Harvard, your alma mater (literally “nursing mother” of elite BS groupthink).

    • steve larsen

      He calls it partisan because it does not believe his jive BS.

    • Average Joe American

      He used the phrase “domestic propaganda.”

      We had plain old terrorists, then they gave us “domestic terrorists.” We had plain old propaganda, now Obama is giving us “domestic propaganda.” The connection seems pretty clear.

      I don’t think we need to be schooled on what he meant. Anyone who gets their news from non-MSM sites such as these knows exactly who and what he meant. He was equating dissenting news with foreign propaganda, thus dissenting views with siding with the enemy.

      The blurring of these lines of thought goes hand in glove with confusing the revelations of whistleblowers and independent reporters with hacking. They not the same. Still, if the emails are real, however obtained, this is not a court of law, this is not the OJ trial. The glove fits beyond any reasonable doubt; that is not partisan, that is not propaganda, that is not fake news.

      • dale ruff

        Yes, so have we all. There is foreign propaganda and domestic propaganda, including the corporate media.

        More Americans have been killed in right-wing attacks than jihadist ones since 9/11
        Jihadist26
        Right-wing48
        Source: http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html

        When you take a term out of context, you need to be schooled. There are fake news sites. I I think Brietbart, Activistpost, Townhall and Twitchy all earn that badge; but the corporate media from Fox to NBc also does propaganda.

        What is your point? That Obama is evil, or a black demon or some such lunacy?

        Our greatest enemies are ourselves: since 9/11, the US killed over half a million civilians in nations that nothing to do with 9/11 and about 200,000 Americans have murdered each other (54% family and friends).

        • Average Joe American

          My point regarding what Nimmo said in this article (which is mainly quotes from Obama) is that our US President wants us to believe that sites such as this one are propaganda, because they are copied by Russian news, which is propaganda ipso facto. This is circular reasoning, not logic. It would be the same as if a victim of plagiarism were accused of copying because his work was copied without attribution.

          My point regarding my take on the timing behind Obama’s charge that Trump won the election with the help of “domestic propaganda” is that he’s leveling this scurrilous charge prior to the vote of the Electoral College, giving Democrats (who illegitimately ousted Sanders) and old-school Republicans (who tried to oust Trump early in the campaign), a justification for voting against Trump, despite their states’ wishes.

          My point regarding you is that your modus operandi repeatedly is to change the subject under discussion, then hold forth. Which you just did again.

          • dale ruff

            He misquoted Obama; he lied. That is my point.

          • steve larsen

            Obama is world class liar and war criminal ask people of libya.

        • steve larsen

          Schooled by an Obama sycophant no sir. Obama killed innocent thousands with unlawful use of drones. He is a war criminal.

    • steve larsen

      Anybody who disagrees with him he considers partisan

  • dale ruff

    No, that’s not what he said; that’s what you put in his mouth: the straw man fallacy.

    • steve larsen

      Obama does not give any credence to anybody who disagrees with him. He sees independent media who refuse to worship at his altar growing by leaps and bounds and is desperate. Soon he will be gone. The ratings for mainstream media are plummeting . The gardening channel draws more viewers than CNN. Pretty sad….for them..ha-ha for me.

  • eamon dara

    ae911truth

  • littjo

    The no-name potus is the master of fake news.
    Along with his ‘queen’ and fake kids.
    Ever notice how DaleR calls everyone a racists, name calling is so high school.

  • steve larsen

    Oh ben Shapiro said….. well I guess that settles it….wow…I am really impressed…..Ben Shapiro.

    • blue579

      Dale is peddling SPLC propaganda lines. Southern Poverty Law Center is a far left think tank directly tied to the CIA tasked with defining peaceful American patriots and dissenters as “extremists”. They work on the level of Tavistock, seriously. I tangled with their gatekeepers on immigration reform forums 13-14 years ago. This was a large strongly conservative [gatekeeper] organization being fed talking points and gatekeeping strategy from Globalist neocon infused think tanks such as Heritage. My take on Andrew Breitbart is he was assassinated because he was a true conservative / patriot that wouldn’t sell out, not unlike the late Congressman Larry McDonald. Breitbart still has a solid base of true conservative elements, however, word to the wise, stay frosty for globalist neocon infiltration. This would be the set up to demonize us. Dale’s BS being exhibit A. Just food for thought.

      • steve larsen

        SPLC Dale you little rat you!

      • U3O8

        Truth !

  • Garry Compton

    Obama signed the Propaganda Law in 2013 – he is the reason there is sooo much Fake News in his media circle. Using Propaganda against your own people should be a treasonous offense – at least !

  • eddysachs

    A Gr8 mini dissertation/ data dump & really well collated & exceeedingly erudite …I learned a few new things …gottaluvit…cheers

    • blue579

      Thanks, Eddy. Wonderful compliment, even better knowing it’s from a highly gifted thinker, and a very compassionate one at that! 🙂

    • U3O8

      It was —a ‘mental swinggggggggg’…

  • Messiah

    @blue579 dear enlighten one , we must be wary of the way we project our true knowledge from the eye mostly on a blog like this one. Obama is making it clear that the government wants to put a stop to “homeland terrorist” . Calling alternative media ” propaganda”. This is a red flag. Be prepared. You are the resistance.

    • BeeTheChange

      Messiah, I don’t mean to bust in to your reply to blue but since I’m the one having the conversation with her, I have a vested interest in what you’re implying here. Has free speech been rescinded? Cause I didn’t get that memo. And we can’t use certain words because Obama placed red flags on them? Really? Because that kind of self-monitoring is exactly the point of propaganda, to get everyone to shut up and stay in their little holes. And there is no “resistance” that I’m aware of and I’m not sure what you’re implying with that either. I’m just trying to understand the point you are making.

    • blue579

      Thank you for your concern as you seem to mean well and have good intentions. I assure you I’m mindful of what I post, though not governed by any type of fear or bravado. Interlaced in what I write are the threads of truth. If TPTB decide to pull these threads they will unravel their own lies. We’re quickly running out of time to speak truth to power, and, imo, a cowering will only encourage more censorship. They test us and wait for a response. If we surrender to fear and don’t engage in energized peaceful activism, then we will head down a path towards an unimaginable level of control and tyranny now being tested in China. We need to speak now, the ghosts of those who paid the ultimate sacrifice to defend our freedom cry out for our cool headed defense of human dignity. Regards, Blue579

    • dale ruff

      He didn’t say that.

  • BeeTheChange

    Geesh, you’re a freaking genius… I had to read that three times to collect it all up. You come from a completely different intellectual POV than I do, which is great. I guess that’s why we have these conversations. I do indeed hold evolution science (and most other sciences) as cointelpro and your 95/5% is close if not exact. probably more like a certain prescribed range of truth/cowdung that works especially well to hack the human brain and heart. The math doesn’t matter really, the intent is paramount. Darwin is an alleged freemason, depending on which source you believe, and we know conintelpro has been going on for centuries, they’re smoother than horse snot at this point. (BTW- I’ve always hated that stupid graphic of the knuckle-dragging primate on the left slowly morphing into a man. It makes me want to scream.) All cointelpro is designed to either box us in and/or give our power to others. Once you see the game… well, what am I telling you that for???? LOL. So… do you think we choose our parents and an avatar body to be born into?

    • blue579

      Thank you for your generous compliments, OS. 🙂 The math is only important because it’s a great resonant glimpse into the strategy and flow of Source. Human language is too crude to convey it all, thus the language of mathematics (it’s a language, not a measure of absolutes) is another guide and window. I use it intuitively to gauge the reliability of the information and models I’m scanning (involving synthesis of big concepts most days), it’s much faster than the usual approach to discernment. Yes, the 95/5 fits into a prescribed range, depends on the targeted group. I know about Darwin and his entire ilk of associations, slippery for sure. Remember, I’m riding that thin line of duality, which Mother Nature and Source are infinitely adept at. Me, I’m a bumbling amateur, who gets lucky via channeling Inspector Clouseau, sometimes with slightly more skill thanks to Grace. 😉 To answer your last question, it feels as though I’m here for a purpose and some highly unusual and difficult experiences were required to prepare me for the task I chose or was asked to perform. I imagine that’s what led me to this life. Nice exchange, R, thanks, much gratitude and <3. To be continued… 🙂

    • blue579

      Hey OS, several months ago, while searching for a link for The Starfish and the Spider to pass along, I came across a nice little comment summary inspired by the book. It looked like it might be a useful addition to the share (I heavily edited it for clarity). Here it is in case you want more decentralization ramblings as food for thought or as a simple outline for others in your circle.

      8 PRINCIPLES OF DECENTRALIZATION

      1. When attacked, a decentralized organization tends to become even more open and decentralized:
      Not only did the Apaches survive the Spanish attacks, the attacks served to make them stronger, more decentralized, and more difficult to conquer in subsequent attacks.

      2. It’s easy to mistake starfish for spiders:
      Note: this applies to Agendas 21 and 2030 “sustainable” paradigms.

      3. An open system doesn’t have central intelligence; the intelligence is spread throughout the system:
      Open systems are able to respond more quickly given each member has access to knowledge and the ability to make direct use of it.

      4. Open systems can easily adapt / change:
      The Apaches were not in a knowing position to devise advance strategies against Spanish invaders, their strength was was seated in a facile and dexterous ability to change / adapt their societies. They quickly transitioned from villages to a nomadic life.

      5. Decentralized organizations can make faster progress, are nimble, can more easily sneak up on opponents.

      6. As industries become decentralized, overall profits decrease:
      Example: “The combined revenues of the remaining four music industry giants declined 25%. Where did the revenues go? Not to P2P players. The revenue disappeared.”

      7. Positive feedback loop: voluntary contributions to an open system encourage more participation.

      8. When attacked, centralized organizations tend to become even more centralized.

      • BeeTheChange

        Just below this comment, I sent two replies that got moded so you won’t get an email notice about them… isn’t technology grand?

        • blue579

          Bummer. They’re hoping we aren’t persistent, resilient, and thinkin’ like the Apache! 😉 You can try posting on other comments of mine elsewhere, a message in a bottle via cut / paste.

          • BeeTheChange

            Didn’t explain myself well. They were posted on the thread right below this comment, you’ll have to link through to see them, but it seems whenever there is a mod delay for an embedded link, you don’t get an email notification.

            These replies start: This is my. wunder.. and This is very handy….

            Call me Persistent Apache.

      • U3O8

        It’s all about control.

        Can we add the Codex Alimentarius to centralization ?

        • blue579

          Yes, exactly – good example. The reason also Obamacare was designed to implode in to a single payer system.

          • U3O8

            Spot on.

    • dale ruff

      Evolution is an observable fact.

      • BeeTheChange

        That’s obvious. It’s the mechanism/process that’s up for debate.

        • dale ruff

          Natural selection is the process; it is also observable.

          • BeeTheChange

            No, that’s not “the process.” NS is “a process” but not “the process.” Darwin was FOS. You may feel comfortable believing you “descended” from apes, but I most certainly did not.

          • dale ruff

            You are now demonstrating your ignorance.

            “Humans did not evolve from apes, gorillas or chimps. We are all modern species that have followed different evolutionary paths, though humans share a common ancestor with some primates, such as the African ape. ” livescience.com

            You not only misunderstand Darwin (whom you have clealry never read) but you make statements which he would denounce as false.

            We have common ancestry. You are FOS. That may explain your discomfort with a falsification of Darwin’s ideas.

          • BeeTheChange

            Oh, yes.. you’re that pompous a$$ from Harvard who spent your life being spoon-fed elite BS. Most of us who were also educated have realized almost everything we were spoon fed was untrue. You haven’t, you’re still spouting it like chimp. Livescience? Don’t make me laugh.

            Paleoarcheologists have never been able to agree on a path of human evolution, in part because some of the major finds have been dismissed, partly because the dating methods are badly flawed. Any fossil that doesn’t fit into this ridiculous mess

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/36a578fda93cd7d3a8152f07e9f4c8c1ad318de7dfa1692d5629af45327f6aa9.jpg

            is shoved in a drawer, anything that might fit is shoved into a falsified sequence that is full of false assumptions based on a single tooth or a femur. People spend their entire lives arguing over this because they’re missing the most important fact of all it, that natural selection is not the process. And meanwhile the missing link is still missing. Since you’re an expert at everything, why don’t you go find it? Become an internet hero instead of a internet stooge.

          • dale ruff

            When you lack a rational response and resort to crude insults, you lose.

          • BeeTheChange

            This is true, you have insulted me numerous times just on this thread. Your “moth” example is a joke. In case you haven’t noted, moths are not humans. We are the product of genetic hybridization not natural selection. I could parry with hundreds of articles and excellent discussions of this very topic, but they don’t agree with your existing existential beliefs so you will just insult me some more. Bye, you common ancestor types bore the crap out of me.

          • dale ruff

            “The evolution of the peppered moth is an evolutionary instance of colour variation in the moth population as a consequence of the Industrial Revolution. The concept refers to an increase in the number of dark-coloured moths due to industrial pollution, and a reciprocal decrease in the population in a clean environment. Hence, the phenomenon is called industrial melanism. It is the first recorded and experimented case of Charles Darwin’s natural selection in action, and remains as a classic example in the teaching of evolution.[1][2] Sewall Wright described it as “the clearest case in which a conspicuous evolutionary process has actually been observed.” Wiki

            I stand with the scientists.

          • BeeTheChange

            Hahaha of course you do, science is a religion and you’re a believer. Here’s an evolutionary fact: natural selection is based on the premise that successful species are the ones who adapt to change. Can we agree on that? Well, you, as a human being, have already established your belief paradigms and are way more interested in impressing the rest of us with your knowledge than you are in examining new evidence and changing facts. You are not evolving, dale, you’re still slaving away in Plato’s cave. You might learn something from all the knowledgeable people communicating on this thread if you stopped badgering everyone with your fossilized, outdated information and started treating intelligent people with the respect they deserve. You don’t have all the answers. Real intelligence understands that.

          • dale ruff

            Your car, your tv, your computer, the internet, etc etc are all based on science. Science is based on evidence, religion on believing the absurd. You are dead wrong. I don’t have all the answers; that’s why I listen to the experts. Real intelligence goes to the evidence, the science, the people who have studied it and surivived peer review. I won’t waste any more time with you. Science is a religion..hahahahah.

          • BeeTheChange

            Computers are technology, dale. They are based on science. Evolution is not science, it’s a religion. Newton, Darwin and Einstein- these are priests of the holy trinity of western science. And below these are the elders: Watson, Crick, Dawkins, Hawking, Dennet, Chomsky, Penrose and Sagan. And then you have the High Priests: the Nobel Prize winners, the popular writers and the media celebrities like Michio Kaku. Their opinions are received as sermons, and their statements are quoted like sacred texts. Ordinary people are ridiculed if they doubt the interpretations of this priesthood. Even for scientists, questioning a member of a higher tier is done only at the risk of losing their careers. Junk DNA isn’t junk, The Big Bang is a big flop, pharmaceuticals cure disease… all junk science and dogma proven wrong. Science is evolving and until it stops, it’s a religion.

  • blue579

    Me too, that’s how I interpret (and remember?) 5D, going way back and I betcha you had strong inklings as a kid too. 🙂 I’m so glad The Starfish and The Spider felt a little bit like coming home. There have been some deep and lively discussions of what we can create under decentralized systems with their natural self organizing proclivities. It’s a great exploration of what we’ve been missing. 😉

    I checked out your photographs and absolutely love them, you most certainly have the eye and a gift! The mountains shots remind me of wonderful experiences hiking the Rockies in my area. I’ll take another close look at the pics in the next few days. Nature is the most amazing eye candy on the planet, who needs diamonds and Ferraris? Not me! lol What a great treat, thanks for sharing your art, R. See ya around!

    • BeeTheChange

      You’re most welcome, glad you enjoyed the visual nature parade. Now I’m seeing decentralization where it has blossomed in other places due to this “new” blueprint you have given me. Yes, it’s remembering, like coming home. Thank you from the bottom of my little bee heart!

      • blue579

        Anytime, always at your service. 🙂

        • BeeTheChange

          BTW, I just wanted to mention… I’ve gotten to know a few of the wundeground photographers and they tell me that whenever they get sad or depressed, they go and look at everyone’s daily postings of photographs to lift their spirits. I go almost every day myself and I find that being in this circle has really enriched my life in unexpected ways. If you have more time to explore and enjoy gazing at beautiful photos, the World View selection shows the best of the photos of the week. It’s really very remarkable to have this constant flow of beautiful images rolling like a nature film… partaking is food for the soul.

          Love you… and Happy Solstice from me!
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8eac80cdfa8bc9ccd05ae4e412bcb433a94136e730869093031bb20a7b3758ce.jpg

          • blue579

            Great tip, OS, thank you. I’ll most definitely check it out! I find nature photography is the best soul food, only second to mindfully experiencing the real thing. Happy Solstice to you too!! Hugs and much love!

  • steve larsen

    No you are the F student your truth is not truth but lies

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