No Crime. No Trial. No Reason: The Precedent Is Set for Gun Confiscations

gun confiscationBy Joshua Krause

After the San Bernardino shooting, the most pressing issue for progressives was closing the gun “loophole” that allows suspected terrorists to buy firearms. Specifically, they seem to think that people who have been flagged by the government, and placed on the no-fly list, should also be prevented from buying a gun. At first glance it makes sense. After all, why should suspected terrorists ever be allowed to buy a weapon?

However, it stops making sense the moment you take a look at what the no-fly list is, and what it entails. It also completely ignores the idea that people should never be punished for crimes they haven’t committed.

This is a list that contains millions of names. We don’t even know the exact number. We don’t know the country of origin for all these people. We don’t know how they got there, or what conditions and procedures were used to put them on the list. And we have no idea how anyone can ever get off the list. Everything about the no-fly list is a secret; and, more importantly, there is nothing judicial about it. There is no trial, judges or juries, and there is certainly no defending yourself. That’s because you don’t necessarily need to commit a crime to be on the list.


And that’s why banning gun ownership for individuals on the no-fly list should frighten gun owners. It creates a situation where you don’t have to do anything criminal to lose your rights. The government could determine any benign behavior to be a sign of terrorism, and promptly take your firearms. For all practical purposes, the Second Amendment would be dead.

However, it’s important to remember that the no-fly list ban isn’t alone. California recently passed a law that, while appearing unrelated to the no-fly list proposal, is actually operating with the same logic and intent.

A new California law scheduled to take effect Friday will allow the police to seize private, legally-owned weapons for up to three weeks without charges or allowing the citizen to contest the seizure.

AB1014 was passed last year in the wake of 2014’s Isla Vista shooting, where teenager Elliot Rodger went on a rampage near the campus of the University of California, Santa Barbara, killing six people along with himself…

…Under the law, the factors a judge can consider in granting the restraining order include not only threats of violence, but also prior felony arrests (even without a conviction), evidence of alcohol abuse, and even the simple act of recently purchasing a gun or ammunition.

Once granted, police can use the restraining order to confiscate all of a person’s guns and ammunition, and the person is also barred from buying or possessing guns and ammo for the duration of the order. A full court hearing must then be heard within three weeks. At that hearing, a judge will be able to extend the restraining order for an entire year.

For now, this law won’t amount to anything for most gun owners. But it does set a dangerous new precedent. They’ve finally established the idea that it is okay to confiscate a weapon from someone who has never been convicted of a crime. It’s now perfectly okay in California, to violate someone’s fundamental rights based on nothing but vague suspicions and accusations.

But this probably won’t end with California. What we’re really seeing here is a two-pronged attack against the Second Amendment. Laws like this are an attempt to violate our rights at the state level, while the no-fly list proposals will be used to justify warrantless confiscations at the federal level. After failing to restrict gun ownership time and time again, the gun grabbers have found a new underhanded path for violating the Second Amendment.

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Joshua Krause is a reporter, writer and researcher at The Daily Sheeple. He was born and raised in the Bay Area and is a freelance writer and author. You can follow Joshua’s reports at Facebook or on his personal Twitter. Joshua’s website is Strange Danger.

  • AnnS

    When Obama outlaws guns only the terrorists and drug cartels will have guns.

    • Buckeye1

      When Obama declares guns illegal we will have a civil war

      • AnnS


        Yep; might just take that from this dictator: We all know how the following works out. haha
        Stockman threatens if Obama tries to ban guns by executive orders.

        “In his statement, Stockman said he “will seek to thwart this action by any means necessary, including but not limited to eliminating funding for implementation, defunding the White House, and even filing articles of impeachment”

        • Stan

          I’m sure you all have heard about the obama spy incident of Netanyahu as he made phone calls to Congress, essentially getting caught eaves dropping on Congress. He used the NSA to do it. This unconstitutional president has used his executive authority to illegally spy on another branch of our government. If NOTHING becomes of this then we know for certain he has been spying on all of them for a long time and has collected illicit things they have done and has threatened them with it.

          Why did Chief Justice Roberts have an about face moment when considering obamacare……?

          This explains a lot.

          If there is no impeachment, then we will all know why…..

          • Jas

            Yeah, I wonder what they have for blackmail on Justice Roberts. Also, think of how much blackmail stuff Hillary has on people, they don’t dare charge her with anything.

        • Buckeye1

          The spineless GOP will do nothing but whimper, Imam Obama has already violated his oath of office and the constitution and should had been impeached several times. Imam Obama should be sitting in prison for treason right now.

  • Ron

    I tried to view this “No Fly List” not long ago. I couldn’t get into it. It was locked to prevent the accused from seeing it. Interesting how that Communism works isn’t it?
    You’ve been accused but we won’t let you know why. So the secret police comes and bangs on your door during the night just like in Communist China or Russia.

    Why doesn’t Activist Post, WND, Brightbart, or whomever publish this list of “Suspected Terroroists?” I’d like to see if my name is on that list. Could it be that all of the afore mentioned news sites could not get access to that list themselves? When normally public information is kept from the people and made secret then totalitarianism is in force. Just like TSA (I’m told that that means Trained Sexual Assault agents).

    Just when will this all end? Not likely in our time or lives.

  • philip.dennany

    The super Mafia globalizing Wall Street Zion elite do not want anyone to have any meaningful means of resistance.

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