Thursday, January 3, 2013

Why is the Possession of Anything a Crime?

Eric Blair
Activist Post

Why is the possession of anything a crime in a free society?  It is the antithesis of freedom to stop people from merely having something.

Simply possessing something causes no harm to anyone. It is a victimless crime. Therefore, a crime should only be if the item in possession is misused in a way that harms others.

As the gun control debate rages on, Congress has introduced the most restrictive gun law ever, banning the sale and possession of most semi-automatic weapons.

So what are we to make of the approaching "war on guns"?  If history is an indicator, the prohibition of guns will likely cause more violence, not less.  In other words, it will have the exact opposite effect as its stated purpose of reducing gun violence.

Drug possession remains illegal on the notion that the State has a moral obligation to protect people from themselves. Again, this is a victimless crime and a clear violation of individual freedom.

Additionally, some argue that society is better off with drugs prohibited. Yet that argument is getting tougher and tougher to make given the collateral damage to society caused by the drug war itself.

And, pragmatically, prohibition laws have never reduced the supply of the banned items. It didn't reduce alcohol in the 1930s, it hasn't reduced drugs, and it hasn't reduced prostitution.

If there is demand for something in society, there will always be a supply no matter what the cost may be. All prohibition does is to criminalize the peaceful behavior of possession.

So can politicians be stupid enough to believe that by criminalizing guns they'll actually remove them from society?  Perhaps they are, but maybe there's another motivation at work here.

Criminalizing guns in society will give the government a monopoly on firepower. Those who naively believe that government is a force for good applaud the idea. But what if those who control the government are tyrants? Only tyrants want to criminalize behavior that they themselves would still be allowed to engage in.

Criminalizing guns will also justify increasing the police state and will serve to fill prisons with more warm bodies who are only guilty of possessing a tool.

Finally, is it possible that the powers-that-be want to create more violence? Because that is exactly what will happen if they ban and attempt to confiscate a large majority of personal firearms. Surely they know this, so maybe they welcome it for some diabolical reason.

The prohibition of guns has the potential to be far more destructive to society than the war on drugs. It will create a black market that will make drug gangs look like pussycats. In this black market, both the buyers and the sellers will be armed.

Combating gun possession will not be as easy as arresting medical marijuana patients. It will assuredly be a very bloody endeavor if the government seeks to take people's lethal possessions for no cause.

Criminalizing possession of guns is akin to prosecuting pre-crimes because of the potentiality of victims without an actual offense ever taking place.

If we're not careful, possessing ideas will soon be a crime as well. Indeed, ideas scare the powers-that-be the most.  And as they're losing the battle of ideas, they will naturally seek a monopoly on force.

Since guns may be the last line of defense for the idea of freedom, gun possession must never be criminalized.

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Anonymous said...

I live in Canada, we have gun control here... gangs still have guns, people still get shot. Gun control didn't stop the gangs from getting guns. Gun control doesn't work!

Anonymous said...

@ Panza the Manza

Virtually all things that humans build or use possess "Negative Energy" that can be exercised at the will of the possessor! There seems to be no parity between the inherent "Energies". Devices and ideas are often difficult to extinguish once exposed.

In the case of firearms, the negative and positive energies tend to cancel each other but not without some entropic overhead.

PS Is your "Panza" of Greek or Spanish etymological origin?

Anonymous said...

I too am from Canada, and yes, sometimes people still shoot each other here.

But I would argue that those guns are mostly black market (from USA), and we have proportionally far fewer gun-related deaths/murders here.

Homicides by guns in USA in 2007? 12,600
Deaths by guns in Canada in 2007? 188
Population of each? 310 million, 31 million respectively

Therefore, USA has almost 7 times the number of homicides by gun per capita in 2007.

Anonymous said...

Look, folks, the Central Banker orchestrated economic collapse now unfolding, and the ‘austerity’ that is to come, are the PRIMARY reason, why the Obama Administration is ramping up its push for “gun control”. They KNOW they need to disarm the public, if they are to be successful, at 1) Completely collapsing the U.S. Economy, with no criminal prosecutions, 2) Imposing “austerity” measures (more fraudulent debt) on the backs of the American public, 3) Surviving the coming collapse themselves, with assets intact, and 4) Coming out the other side of the collapse, smelling like a rose, with assets intact, no criminal prosecutions, and STILL IN CONTROL


An Open Letter to Members of Congress…


Anonymous said...

The ONLY GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS they can "take" away from you, are the ones you fail to exercise!

Anonymous said...

Decent article, but the title is a bit loose...

Would people like it not to be a crime for average people to possess nuclear weapons? Bio-chemical weapons? Directed Energy Weapons?

There are some things that should be a crime to possess, though in my opinion it should be criminal for governments to possess such things too, not just the average people.

I would have no problem with completely banning guns and/or other projectile weapons if the governments, police forces and so on also were subject to those bans.

The "this is illegal for everyone except for those above the law" bit doesn't work for me, it's too "do as we say not as we do" for my liking.

Since governments, militaries and police forces here in the western world will never give up their weapons nobody else should have to surrender theirs either.

Guns were developed to the point they are at today(well beyond hunting purposes) for 2 reasons -

1. For governments, militaries and police forces to force their authority onto those people who refuse to accept it willingly.

2. For the people being forced to accept undue authority to fight back and depose governments, militaries and police forces that use weapons to enforce their authority.

If everyone has guns the scales are balanced. If nobody has guns the scales are balanced.

If one of those 2 groups are forced to give up their guns but the other is not then there is no balance, just totalitarianism.

Either the governments, militaries and police forces give up their weapons too or it just won't work without oceans of blood being spilled.


Anonymous said...

Oh Canada!

I live in Canada, where the black market for guns smuggled in by American criminals is very small.
The street level drug dealers, especially coke dealers (we get our coke from the CIA, same as the rest of the world) do buy illegal guns.

The DEA illegally operating in Canada went after honest non violent pot dealers and most ended up quitting the business. The gangs then had a clear slate to take over the pot business, and violence naturally increased too.
CIA, DEA and RCMP take a bow!

But with all those factors, Canada (population of 35 million) had only 554 murders in 2010. Of those 170 were from guns.

In the USA an average of well over 10,000 per year have died from gun murder over the past decade. Another 52,000 people are shot (on purpose) but not killed, while another 23,000 are shot by accident(idiots with guns!).

Only a gun lobby shill prostituting his lame commenting skills would disagree.


Sorry to confuse you gun nuts with facts and stuff. Seriously, very sorry.

djohnston said...

"Only a gun lobby shill prostituting his lame commenting skills would disagree."

And only a gun-grabbing shill would post as Anonymouse. Here are your "facts and stuff".

Anonymous said...

Anonymous anti-gun person,

The murder statistics you have cited are more of a statement on culture than anything else. The United States' collective culture has been over-sensationalized regarding guns, and under-educated on the realities of responsible gun ownership.

Switzerland, the most neutral country in the world, has 1.48 times the guns per capita than Canada. They rank fourth in gun ownership per capita. They also have a gun crime rate so low they do not even track it. They have about 8 million people... 3% of the population of the United States. This country has about half the number of guns per capita as the US, and next to zero gun crime.

We DO have gun control in this country. People are acting like this hasn't been the case. A person can not buy a machine gun without a long, expensive process involving laborious background checks. Inanimate objects do not cause harm inherently. They are less than half of the equation.

This article's points are valid, and should be heeded. The violence problems in our society today are a cultural issue, not a gun issue, as countries like Switzerland have proven.


Sorry to confuse you Big Brother types with level-headedness and stuff.

Anonymous said...

Hey guys, remember one VERY important thing.
If you "own" or "possess" a Birth Certificate, then you're a bloody slave, OK? Get over yourselves for Christ's sake. A slave can possess NOTHING.
So, go to the "authorities" and PROVE you're not a slave, it's quite simple really, then you can "own" all you like.

Anonymous said...

No military organization anywhere would allow their opponent to disarm them. The banksters and corporate class have been waging war on the people since the beginning of time.
Warren Buffet stated, "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning."

Anonymous said...

The crime here would be innocent people murdered, robbed, raped and killed because they are left defenseless by a handful of (criminal) politicians.
I wouldn't blame a victims survivor personally going after those who stole their defenses. If a man lost his family- what else would he have to lose?

Anonymous said...

1. There is nothing for which possession itself is a crime. What is a crime is the way in which you came into possession of the object in question.

I can't really think of anything for which possession under any circumstances is a crime. A research chemist may legally be in possession of a quantity of LSD, provided he can prove that he acquired it legally. A pilot may legally be permitted to possess nuclear warheads. A district attorney may be legally permitted to possess child pornography if he is prosecuting a pedophile.

When an individual is unable to provide proper documentation as to how they came to be in possession of hydrocodone, they may be arrested and prosecuted. If the individual can prove that they acquired the hydrocodone in a legal manner (i.e. from a pharmacy with a prescription from a licensed medical provider) they will not be prosecuted for a crime. If they are unable to provide documentation showing that is how they acquired the hydrocodone, they will be prosecuted.

As I said -- it isn't possession of a substance or item that is illegal. It is the means by which someone came into possession of the substance or item that is either legal or illegal.

Anonymous said...

Enough about Swiss gun laws. Yes, guns are readily available in Switzerland. However, ammunition is very strictly controlled and regulated and only sold at licensed gun ranges where it must either fully expended or returned unused.

Anonymous said...

One day the so called brainy people up the top will come to the understanding that laws do not apply to criminals. They never have and never will. Yes in the land of australia guns have been band for many many years. But this does not stop the bikes robbers and cops from shooting and killing people. Plus now look at the knife crimes and the glassing attacks that go on now.when guns were around for every one stuff all of this shit happend.

Anonymous said...

Whaaaat....? You're serious?!

Anonymous said...

Swiss people, by and large, are not bat shit crazy like most Americans. Food for thought.

Funny how only one person responded to the crazy statistics on gun murders in Canada, and he played the 'culture' card. Weak.
Guns R bad.

Anonymous said...

When the Brady Act in 93 and the ban on assault weapons in 94(none were confiscated) passed, the gun homicide total was 17,000 and within less than 5 years after these new gun laws, it had dropped to 8,000, more than 50% fewer gun murders (and overall murders and suicides as well).

In 1992, 565,575 violent crimes were committed using firearms. This number rose to 581,697 in 1993, and then fell for five consecutive years. mitted. in 1998, 364,776 violent crimes were committed with firearms. After the new gun laws, violent crimes with guns dropped by 1998 by 220,000 a year.

It is an indisputable fact that stronger gun laws led to a massive decrease in gun deaths and violent crimes.

Among all wealthy nations, the gun rate, per capita, is 90%lower than in the US in nations with many guns (Switzerland, Germany), and where guns are relatively rare (UK, Japan), the gun homicide rate is 99% less.

In 2006, Japan (with criminal gangs) had 2 gun murders; last year the UK (also with criminal gangs) had 35. Apparently when gun laws are strict, even criminals rarely shoot to kill.

This too is an indisputable fact.

The only difference, from 94 to 99 in the US was the new gun laws, which reduced the carnage by half. Since the assault weapon ban was allowed to expire by the Republican Congress under Bush, the gun murder rate has climbed back up to nearly 12,000, a rise of 1/3.

Any argument or claim which ignores these incontrovertible facts collapses from a disconnect with reality. None of the other wealthy nations, with 90-99% fewer gun murders, totally bans guns; all strictly regulate them.

I rest my case. The facts speak for themselves.
No amount of spin can show any other way to save tens of thousands of lives. The US has 31,000 gun deaths a year and has 1/3 of the world's private guns. More guns means more homicides: another indisputable fact. In the US, those states with the most guns also have the most gun homicides. Another fact.

Rhetoric does not save lives: strict and rational gun laws do.

dale said...

Anon at 6:54 is so ignorant he should not be allowed to own a gun. He says guns are "band" in Australia. In fact there are 15 legal guns per 100 Australians ( Spain, which 99% fewer gun murders per capita, has 1 gun for each 10. And Israel, a nation at war, has 8 per 100.
Germany and Switzerland, with 1 gun per 3 citizens, but strictly regulated, have 90% fewer gun murders per capita. All these nations have strict gun laws, tho guns in all are legal, including Japan, which has from 2-12 gun homicides per year, a fraction of what the US experience every day.

Even semi-automatic weapons are permitted to select categories. When Australia had a horrendous mass gun slaughter, it passed stringent laws. How much worse did things get?

" Between 1991 and 2001, the number of firearm-related deaths in Australia declined 47%.(Just as in the US!) According to a 2011 report from the Australian government, "...the number of victims of homicide has been in decline since 1996. In 1996, there were 354 victims of homicide in Australia compared with 260 in 2010. This is a decrease of 27 percent." And furthermore, "The proportion of homicide victims killed by offenders using firearms in 2009–10 represented a decrease of 18 percentage points from the peak of 31 percent in 1995–96 (the year in which the Port Arthur massacre occurred with the death of 35 people, which subsequently led to the introduction of stringent firearms legislation." (Wikipedia, with sources)

From 86 to 2008, gun homicides dropped from 123 to 19 (this includes criminal gun killings)!The rate dropped from 0.09 per 100,000. The overall murder rate (any means) dropped by 33%.


Meanwhile, the US, with loose laws and awash in guns, had nearly 12,000 gun homicides last year.

The US rate is 3.3 gun homicides per 100,000, roughly 99% more per capita than Australia.

Here is a a link to a chart which shows gun murder rates in the developed world.

Would you drive a car which had a 90-99% better chance of getting you killed? If you oppose the strict gun laws which slash murder rates in all other developed nations, you are buying that car.

The poster above who demonstrates mental impairment should not be allowed to own a gun.
Really really stupid people, as well as criminals, terrorists, and crazies should be banned from owning guns.

The facts will make you free..........guns with homes nearly triple the likelihood of a gun fatality compared to homes without guns (see Harvard review of the literature on gun violence). If you buy a gun to protect your family, it is 270% more likely that one of them will get killed. Most gun murders are by members of the family or friends. Check it out:
I have studied this for the past year: loose laws means more murders; more guns means more murders; even nations with many guns but strict laws reduce homicide murders by 90% compared to the US.

I rest my case.

igbymac said...

"Criminalizing guns in society will give the government a monopoly on firepower."

Hardly new, as the very definition of state is the lawful authority to use force.

Anonymous said...

Canada, where guns are a privilege (like owning a car) and not an absolute right, the gun homicide rate is 7 times lower than in the US.

Violent crime in CAnada has been on the decline for 25 years.

With such strict gun laws, where do the criminals get their guns? They drive over the bridge and buy them in the US. Still, they shoot to kill far far less than in the US.

Local gun laws do not work. If assault weapons are banned in WASH DC, just take a short visit to a neighboring state to obtain your guns.

Where strict gun laws, strictly enforced, are national or universal, the gun homicide (and overall murder rate) drop dramatically.

Local gun laws are like "dry" counties; you just drive to the next county. We need national laws, which will also benefit the Canadians.

All 23 of the wealthiest nations (and all of the 35 industrialized, except Russia which allows assault weapons along with the US) have enacted strict gun laws and have on average a 90% lower murder rate.

Since 9/11, more Americans have died by gun than were killed in WWII. We are our own worst enemy.

So dump the theories, the myths, and the lies spread by the gun lobby (whose goal is more sales and more profits: each mass murder brings in a spike and new profits) and embrace the facts, and the historical record of all other developed nations, including the US, after stricter gun laws are passed.

Drop the ideology, the defensive lies about "gun confiscation (the 1994 ban on assault weapons allowed existing guns, no confiscation; current proposals to ban assault weapons also contain no confiscation of existing weapons), the myth that people who want rational gun laws, the kind that work in all other advanced nations, want to take way your gun (only 1% are assault weapons, so a ban would allow that 1% and not effect the other 99% of guns.

If you own a gun, you should be the first to embrace the historical record which shows the rise in gun violence when laws are loose or ignored. You should be the first to demand strict regulation, since you are at a 270% greater risk of your family being killed by gun if you have one in the home. If you value your children's lives, understand the fact that it is much more likely they will be killed by your gun than by the gun of a stranger or intruder.

We can have many guns and low murder rates with strict regulations, strictly enforced, on a national level so there are no loopholes. That is the clear lesson of gun laws and gun violence since WWII (btw, Hitler expanded gun rights in 1938!)

Learn the facts, check them out..the truth will make you free. Gun ownership is a risk factor for gun death. That is a fact. The facts will make you free...more guns will only make you more likely to get killed.

Anonymous said...

Should criminals be allowed to own guns; psychotics; terrorists? Today they can buy assault weapons privately or at gun shows with no background check. The NRA has opposed mandatory checks, and after Sandy Hook, affirmed once again they oppose all gun laws. More guns/more violence/more profits. Get it?

Today, a person who cannot fly because he on the terrorist list, can legally buy an assault weapons. Our laws are insane! Any body who wants to do a mass murder has the NRA to thank that they can obtain military type weapons easily (40% of gun sales avoid background checks).

If more guns meant more safety, the US would have lowest gun murder rate, not the highest among peer nations. The states with the most guns also have the most gun murders, about 40% higher over the past 10 years, than states with low levels of gun ownership.

Getting more guns is an arms race; A Harvard study of 2000 arms races over the past thousands of years led not to peace or security but to war.

Lack of gun regulation and enforcement has made the US the most dangerous nation of all similarly wealthy and developed nations by far.


Japan--fewer than 12 gun murders a what the US has in 1 day, Japan (with 40% of our population) does not have in 3 years!

UK---35 gun murders (even the criminals rarely shoot to kill) a year.

Australia...19 gun murders a year

US.......... nearly 12,000 gun murders a year, over 30 per day, 1 per hour.

The only common denominator is strict gun laws.
That's all it takes to save hundreds of thousands of lives over the next decade. Don't beieve those who lie and manipulate that more guns means more safety: all evidence proves the opposite.

Here are good sources of factual material: Wikipedia, Nationmaster, gunpolicy. All give documentation and sources.

Anonymous said...

Funnu how people from other Countries think they have all the answers,they should take care of their own problems,we know you have them.

Anonymous said...

"Really really stupid people, as well as criminals, terrorists, and crazies should be banned from owning guns"

this is most Americans today... and that's because all the figures and shit mentioned above is meaningless without addressing the real problem in the U.S. vs other wealthy nations. the problem is that America is sick, sick on all levels... education, health, opportunities... in every way. so, it's not the guns stupid... the problem is much bigger than that.

Anonymous said...

There are some good arguments for gun rights, but none of you have made them. In a free society, people should be allowed to possess anything? Nukes? Bombs? Mass-poisoning agents? Possessing dangerous things has always been banned in free society. Banning certain guns leads to more violence? Totally not borne out by the facts. (There is a long history - including Australia's recent history - of gun bans leading to reductions in violence.) It dangerous and tyrannical for only the gov't/police to have firearms. Again, not demonstrated by history. For example, the book "The Better Angels of Our Nature," written by a non-ideological scientist and filled simply with facts about the continual decline in violence in the civilized world, demonstrated with a huge amount of published research that one of the biggest violence-reducing innovations ever was the delegation of the use of force and punishment to a third uninvolved party (gov't/police). Before that invention, bloody feuds, with tit-for-tat revenge killings, would last for years. And, finally, random conspiracy theories about what the government or Obama are supposedly secretly planning is just embarrassing to read. I don't have a strong opinion about gun control per se, but I can tell you that I won't be swayed by the ideological, fact-free, conspiracy-based arguments that a 12-year-old would make.

Anonymous said...

So these are the kinds of arguments I'm hearing: "Obama loves his dog. You know who else loved dogs? Adolf Hitler." Nice job, guys. Very convincing.

Anonymous said...

You forget, this is a capitalistic society, and prohibition equals billions of dollars in revenue, jobs, etc... It is evil at it's best, and it is about to suicide itself from such abuse.

Anonymous said...

>>Hey guys, remember one VERY important thing.
If you "own" or "possess" a Birth Certificate, then you're a bloody slave, OK? Get over yourselves for Christ's sake. A slave can possess NOTHING.
So, go to the "authorities" and PROVE you're not a slave, it's quite simple really, then you can "own" all you like.<<

Except you leave out the fact that the name on the birth certificate - in all caps - is the "corporate you". It's easy to prove the difference between that and the 'real' you.

Anonymous said...

In America "drugs" are ONLY "illegal" for ANIMALS; so if you feel you are an animal cop to it, do your time and pay your fine, all you animals out there.

Proof: Go to Title 21 the so called "Clean Food and Drug Act" to the definitions section of "food" and "drugs" found in section 321 at "f" and "g".
(f) The term "food" means (1) articles used for food or drink for
man or other animals, (2) chewing gum, and (3) articles used for
components of any such article.
(g)(1) The term "drug" means (A) articles recognized in the
official United States Pharmacopoeia, official Homoeopathic
Pharmacopoeia of the United States, or official National Formulary,
or any supplement to any of them; and (B) articles intended for use
in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of
disease in man or other animals; and (C) articles (other than food)
intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of man
or other animals; and . . . .

This defense is a guaranteed win. Ask Alfred Adask who was charged with possession of a controlled substance and demanded the persecution prove he was an "animal" - case closed.

Anonymous said...

Ask anyone do they think Martin Bryant did NOT kill those people in Port Arthur, and you'll be castigated all the way to hell by most....however, there are a great many now opening their eyes to the facts.
Mossad got away clean with that one, and I'm afraid that Dale is talking through his anus, when he says gun laws were introduced because of the incident in Tassie. What utter bunkum!
Mate, get your facts straight, OK? It was good old Barry Unsworth who made it happen ten years before the "pre-paid" massacre, on the strict orders of their masters.....
Remember pal, if you follow the government line in Australia, you follow the British/Zionist/Jesuit line.
Your taxes go to Israel, Puerto Rico, and who knows where else......wakey, wakey.
The martial Laws and other hidden ones were brought in because of 9/11......all "prepaid", and all of the destruction, and removing of forensic evidence at both 9/11 & Port Arthur.........all pre-ordered ten years before.......strange???

Anonymous said...

If the government takes away your right to self defense and you get shot or killed.It will be your' fault for not staying home on your' chain.

Anonymous said...

....statistics mean nothing when you don't consider that criminals and gang bangers and street thug drug dealers are included in the body count.
Yes,too many innocent are caught in the crossfire but how many crimes were prevented with the non-lethal use of a firearm?

Anonymous said...

"Funnu how people from other Countries think they have all the answers,they should take care of their own problems,we know you have them."

Said the genius at 10:40PM.

Good point. Like when these countries got invaded, destroyed (their women raped by American military pigs) had their resources plundered and puppet military dictators put in place by the USA. They disagreed with America, so you guys launched illegal wars based on lies. Of course the gun lovers were strong supporters of all those wars.........

Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan.
Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos.
El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua

Maybe the USA should learn to mind its own business, or at least stop the sissy whining and crying about other countries taking care of their own problems. The USA is Canada's problem.

Anonymous said...

Wow. All those facts and statistics from north of the border are hard to ignore. Maybe the gun lobby really does work with the NWO corporate pigs? Over 10,000 dead every year, with 70,000 wounded by guns.
Safety, yeah that's it, safety.

Anonymous said...

If you aren't American then MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. Who gives a f*** what a Canadian thinks about OUR gun laws? We don't tell you how to run your country, you've immigrated yourselves to death, you have "human rights" kangaroo courts and zero freedom of speech so I would think you would be more concerned with those issues than our gun laws. But no, you want to butt in to our business? You think you live in a gun free utopia and it works for you? GREAT, congratulations but we have a Second Amendment and I'll be damned if MY rights are taken away.

PS you might have a different view on guns if you had been the victim of a violent crime. I was raped and so I carry a gun now. It won't happen to me again, even if the criminal gets my gun and shoots me, I'd rather that happen than dealing with the after effects of being a victim. If it was your wife or loved one in my shoes, and you had to sit there and deal with the aftermath every day for the rest of your life, you might understand why people want guns. Or not, but you have no right to tell me how I can protect myself.

Anonymous said...

Who gives a f*** what a Canadian thinks about OUR gun laws? We don't tell you how to run your country....

Oh but you DO tell us how to run our country, so please stop lying about it. Are you lying to yourself, or just the rest of us?
The vile CIA has infiltrated Canadian institutions, and corrupted them. FACT.

PS If you were one of the 70,000 Americans injured by a gun, you might have a different view too.
PPS, It is so easy to lie about experiences online, I was raped, I was held captive by drug gangs, I was sent to the moon on a secret spy mission.........Sure.
The facts on gun murders in the USA as compared to civilized nations around the world speak for themselves........that is why the gun lobby has to make up lies to defend its immoral products.

djohnston said...

@Dale on January 3, 2013 9:38 PM

You've made quite a few comments on this subject, among them:
"Since 9/11, more Americans have died by gun than were killed in WWII. We are our own worst enemy."

"Learn the facts, check them out..the truth will make you free."

Yet, you offer few citations. You quote Wikipedia as a credible source, so let's look at the number of U.S. deaths during WWII.


And, you claim that the number of U.S. gun deaths since 9/11 is higher. Well, I can't find a source of statistics from 9/11 to the present. I went to the CDC's website and ran the statistics they have, which spans 1999 through 2010. Number of U.S. gun related deaths for that time period:


Close, but no cigar. But, I believe you are referring to gun related HOMICIDES. I ran the numbers again, this time searching the same time period for gun related SUICIDES.


Which makes the total number of HOMICIDES=156,077.

Nothing like pulling "facts" out of a magical hat.

Anonymous said...

Trumpeting his superior research skills, boasting about his facts, the gun nut arrives at his inevitable conclusion.......

Over 14,000 Americans are murdered each year, and that's just great!!!

Another fact is that depressed people with access to a gun are much more likely to suicide than those who have to work harder to make it happen. I know you don't give a rats ass about them, but they are people with families who grieve when it happens. According to you it happens to about 20,000 Americans each year, and once again, that's no problem for you.
Nothing like using facts to prove ones lack of humanity and anything resembling a Christian mindset.

Anonymous said...

and the government thanks you for registering your firearms.

would you rather someone committing suicide die slower or faster?

in less or more pain?

should we ban ropes, cars, and bridges?

do you really believe this is about preventing suicide or senseless killing?

cherry pick much from that moral high ground or are you paid to be here or just naive?

the "i was just following orders" doesn't cut it anymore. even the most unintelligent know this.

you must be one of those romans 13 type christian i hear on the radio.

god help us!

Anonymous said...

Yes, I really believe easy access to guns increases suicide and murder. Those are FACTS, not opinions. You and your gun lobby smooth talkers try to justify or rationalize those facts with opinions and outright lies.

You asked one intelligent question, so I will answer it without insults. No, I do not believe the government black op at Sandy hook was about preventing suicide or senseless killing. I understand that the government is run by criminals like Obama, and W Bush the retard, and Clinton the sick twisted lying sack of shit, and that stinky ol pervert Poppy Bush and on and on. I get that.
Please remember that it was your Republikkkon party that has led the way to flood the USA with firearms. Since Reagan, the rise in automatic weapons in the USA has gone off the charts......and so have the deaths injuries and mayhem caused by guns which even you are forced to admit.

Can you think on more than one level? It appears to me as if you can. Any industry serves multiple purposes for the NWO. Medicine makes people sick, makes them better, makes money, kills some and gives the state control. The gun industry is sold (primarily using fear tactics) on the BIG lie that it keeps people safe. Statistically that is false, and easily provable. The gun industry is big money for corporate America.
Millions of Americans armed to the teeth have not stopped the patriot act, torture, domestic spying, police abuses or any other fascist crap that has come our way in the past 10 years.
Guns kill people, and clearly they do NOT save people from a fascist government.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

"Guns kill people, and clearly they do NOT save people from a fascist government."

Ah, there we have the prohibitionist mindset. Guns kill people? Can a gun act on its own accord? Can it willfully pull the trigger? Or does it need a human to pull it?

djohnston said...

"Trumpeting his superior research skills, boasting about his facts, the gun nut arrives at his inevitable conclusion......."

You resort to name calling and insults instead of countering an argument. Good tactic!

"Over 14,000 Americans are murdered each year, and that's just great!!!"

How many of those "murders" were performed by law enforcement? You want to look it up?

Anonymous said...

Hey anonymous, you dumb shithead.

Your argument for gun control is akin to claiming that during a race, the car that is in the lead position with another 100 laps to go is the "winner" of the race, despite the race not being over.

You are fucking retarded. A troll. An ignorant old person. Or a criminal. Or all of the above.

There are many ways to laugh at your pathetic attempt to justify gun control, and they all end with you being classified as a fucking moron.

Gun homicides = a fraction of other preventable deaths. Of those gun homicides, how many were simply a result of gang vs. gang violence? A huge portion.

You love to talk about wealthy countries with strict immigration control and how gun control worked for them. How's it working out for Mexico? India? South America? Where people are nothing but prey for armed criminals.

You know how all those famous poets, scientists, artists, politicians, and philosophers throughout history talk about the stupidity of humankind?

They are talking about people like YOU.

There has never been a single significant person with great clout to suggest the people "disarm". Instead, it's the obscure senile politician like Feinstein. Or some shithead actor who said it to get a paycheck, or some other corrupt asshole who just would love to see fewer of his enemies with guns, so he can continue to engage in unethical business practices.

Go fuck yourself and die.

Anonymous said...

Let's look at one of the definitions for "harm".

"Moral evil or wrongdoing."
Yes, it is a crime.

Because, it obviously harms others.

Anonymous said...

reminds me of something the pope said on pedophilia.

Anonymous said...

Gun control statistics in the case of tyranny.
by Reclaim America on Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:46pm •
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselv es, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

------------------------------ So it might be said that guns don't kill people, gun control does!

It has now been over12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

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