Sunday, January 27, 2013

Obama to Top Brass: Will You Fire on American Citizens?

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World-renowned educator and human rights activist Jim Garrow says that the source, man regarded as "one of America's foremost military heroes," told him that President Obama is using a new litmus test for "determining who will stay and who must go" among top-ranked military leaders. That test is whether they will fire on US citizens or not.


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30 comments:

Anonymous said...

Top ranked military leaders don't fire the weapons. I would be more worried if they were doing this supposed litmus test on actual soldiers. I smell major bullshit. We will see if any of these anonymous sources ever come out publicly.

Anonymous said...

"Anything the government assumes they can do to us--we should assume we can do it to them".
Ron Paul

Strawman said...

Many 'actual soldiers' will follow whatever orders they are given. It would be interesting to know which top brass would give the order to fire on Americans though. It has happened before. (link below)

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/bonusarmy.htm

Anonymous said...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

Anonymous said...

Something not quite right in the interview. How can someone want to keep their source anonymous whilst at the same time giving-out enough information to identify them? Also, the Nobel peace prize has been given to all kinds of people so being a nominee doesn't say much. Then there are the establishment ill-defined insults such as "communist" or "socialist" along with the unnecessary religious references that also sound phoney coming from an activist- this is maybe because the video is aimed at a certain audience? Maybe the main point about testing officers for following orders is true but if the rest is made-up then why wouldn't that be too? This could be another psy-op aimed at demoralizing opposition?

Anonymous said...

This sounds like total bullshit to me. Absolute hearsay. Being awake and aware of what's going on does not mean being willing to swallow any anti-government story you're dished up. Where's the proof?

Anonymous said...

The American military zombies from Private to General can be counted on to commit heinous crimes like rape, murder and torture on men women and children.
Their record speaks for itself.

Obama might be going public with this (official, unofficial leak) to further intimidate people, but the facts are that this is exactly what the military has always been about.

The lies and myths produced by Hollywood are fantasies. The US military wants and creates unthinking, unquestioning rule following thugs and gives them wicked weapons and drugs.

The few good soldiers who go rogue and actually stand up for freedom, people and justice?
Just ask Pat Tillman or Brad Manning......you can't, because one is dead and one is being held without trial and undergoing torture. Both were violated by the Demopublican party, or was it the Republocrats?

Hide Behind said...

I do not see why or how anyone can argue thst the military would not fire upon the citizenry.
There are so many instances of not just active military but americans acting on orders of authority have lowered the hammer on not just armed but unarrmed citizenry.
Hell in Detroit the used a military delivered bomb to flatten an apartment building upon people that were no more guilty of a crime but living as a community in an abandoned piece of property.
The glory of old glory was flyng for all to see in the picture of a flag flying american tank parked in the smoldering embers over the bodies of burnt to death unarmed women and children at Waco Texas.
THe helicopters used and Federal marshals the DEA, FBI, Justice Dept and military snipers were all engaged in what except in american media would of been described as a "Massacre".
At Ruby Ridge more officialy americans of the Alpha alphabet clans decended in force and a military marksman,todays hero snipers, placed a bullet into an unarmed woman while she held her youngest child yet a baby in her arms.
Your neighbor dressed in blue whom you think serves you but the supreme Court says they protect the govrrnments rights and (do not have to protect you.
SO when they pile 10 or more bullets into an unarmred man. Or raid your house dressed in military supplied equipment who the hell is it that will blow an americans ass away.
A dark night in the 1960s sitting on the tarmac at Ft.Bragg with full combat gear on; My groups only fullauto M-14 cradeled in my arms while its magazine and 9 more plus 100 rounds boxed reserved I await my orders to mount up.
As I sit contemplating what is to come I hear my fellow sildiers bragging how they were gonna get some and blow away some black men.
Wherewas I going to be sent, Detroit Michigan.
WHY?
Why of course to protect the asses who had dropped a bomb on the citizen protestors.
Here is one more thing to contemplate of in the dark what I heard on my wait: The white boy/manchilds talk of going to kill some niggers while in our ranks sat men of uniform clothes but different colored skins who were also saying the same damn thing.

Hide Behind said...

These menin uniform are not Zombies for Zombies don't think they just want something to eat and like crazed animals we could (if real) mow them down in self defence.
It is a good thing that Zombies are not real for if they were we gun owners would soon go broke and run out of ammunition trying to save the tender meats of the anti guns.
Who is it that gives the orders to those brave men in black and blue and wearing good guy hats, that revel in spraying pepper spray, spraying rubber bullets and deliberately aim smoke and gas grenades into crowds they herded together.
And then when the protestors will is broken and they break and run that our officials let loose upon them their dogs to beat trip throw to the ground knew and kick twist and bend arm joints and grind the helplessones face in the ground.
Are not these americans getting their highs out of beating upon other americans?
Who are the three brigades of rapid crowd control groups training to attack that our military spends millions in supplies andcare of?
Who are those in Department of Homeland Security;Are they americans who ordered 50,000 new guns and hundred millon rounds of ammunition ging to be using all that stuff against?
Are some 40,000+ recent military realy americans or are they still foreigners at heart who joined for an income but had to pledge citizenship in order to get the check?
Who or what do they owe allegiance to?
The worst enemy any freedom loving american can have are his fellow citizens.

Anonymous said...

If Obama is actually doing as Garrow says, it is a declaration of war on the American people!

Anonymous said...

Franchi, "the American people don't see the dictatorship"? What planet have you been living on? Yes, the sheeple nay not, but, seriously... you're haven't been looking at all the alternative/whistleblowing sources lately.

Anonymous said...

Afew months ago, a US gov't military mag contained an article that indicated the military was being advised that within the next 4 years they may be firing on Americans. The Washington Post,I believe, also had an article about it.
I'll try to locate the links.I'm sure I still have them somewhere.

Merlin Wizard said...

I will certainly look into this and for now reserve judgement. For those of you who accuse the military of being a bunch of blood thirsty zombies: you are idiots. Completely and without doubt, you know nothing whatsoever of our military and you should be fully ashamed of yourself. I'll get back to the rest of you with information, either in support or in refute.

Merlin Wizard said...

As a former soldier, I disagree. Look at Syria, Egypt and Libya. In all three cases less than 25% of the regular army could be counted to be aggressors. Egypt's military turned on the leader in fact. In Syria Assad is relying entirely on his personal army made up of foreign fighters. In Libya, Khadaffi tried to do the same, but his personal army turned on him too!

No- I'm not worried that our military even remotely resembles the zombies that make up the liberal activists we all know and love ( to laugh at). If the crap hits the fan, all guns will turn on the man ordering the death of American citizens

Merlin Wizard said...

From what I have learned, there is no new news here. The military is expected to protect against all threats, foreign and domestic, and that means fighting your own people on your own land is a possibility. All presidents since Kennedy have asked this question of the joint chiefs and all officers are asked this question by their leaders. I too was asked this as an officer. Everyone says "yes" to this question because no one ever thinks it's possible that they would be called to do it unless there was a coup.

Do I think Obama would ever order troops into neighborhoods to disarm the public? No, I don't... He has to know that he'd be the first one shot. Even a feckless elitist such as himself has to know that his ranks have been infiltrated by the clandestine services and that their enforcement group (the long arm of former spec ops) can easily reach him there.

It is my opinion that Dr. garrow is either a willing or unsuspecting participant in a two-pronged disinformation campaign by the administration to negatively reinforce moderate conservative fears and "stir the pot" for the extreme right wing. If you want to invite real gun control efforts- fool the ultra right wing militias into acting out against the government! Then watch the masses rush to demand bans on guns! Don't buy into the propaganda folks, keep your wits about you and don't let the administration drag you into a fight that you start.

For all those still down range- revolution on our terms, not theirs.

Anonymous said...

Just look at all the practice the military and police got after Katrina. "Knock Knock...Who's there?..Crash...Get down on the floor! If you don't surrender your firearms we will use whatever force is necessary!"

To shoot an American citizen wasn't just a though many responders worried about. It was something they trained to do...if necessary. Who will say what "necessary" is this time? Well, that's been rewritten into the handbook. And the NDAA and many executive orders gives the government and it's puppet an iron fist to smash who they wish at will.

Anonymous said...

No food for trolls!

Merlin Wizard said...

"Practice the military and police got after Katrina"? Where are you getting this stuff from? No one from the military was involved in busting down doors and rounding up civilians and police weren't disarming citizens...

It looks like the propaganda campaign is taking its toll on you brother, but I have the antidote; truth and logic. The Administration's Ministry of Propaganda has told you exactly what you think you are going to hear, they whisper it when only you are listening. The do it when the sheeple are busy being told what they want to hear and they are sly. They slip images of black helicopters into one or two frames of footage just to see if you are watching, they drive by your house in black suburbans just to keep you guessing and they insert clicks into your telephone conversations so you know they're always listening. I get it- I really do. The patriot act is a clandestine program, hidden in plain sight, to spy on citizens because it is really revolt from within that they fear, not another 9-11.

The TRUTH is, none of that is true... But it is true that the MINISTRY OF PROPAGANDA is thrilled that you believe it because it marginalizes you. As all old spooks can attest, a disinformation campaign hinges on the fears and paranoia of the few. It takes you out of the fight and holds you up as the litmus test for others... Once they ridicule you in public, others that may have shared some of your concerns will be much less willing to admit or even act on it. Don't play their game, find the real truth my friend- it's far more interesting and disconcerting.

Merlin Wizard said...

I carry MREs with me everywhere I go- I do not rely on being fed, that's for the libs.

Anonymous said...

http://clashdaily.com/2013/01/obama-to-top-brass-will-you-fire-on-american-citizens/

EastGhostcom said...

Without names, sources and identification, it is, by definition, total bullshit.

The fact that this story is total bullshit, however, does not mean what it suggests is false.

djohnston said...

Merlin Wizard said...

"'Practice the military and police got after Katrina'? Where are you getting this stuff from? No one from the military was involved in busting down doors and rounding up civilians and police weren't disarming citizens."

Really, Mister "Wizard"? You clearly do not know what you are talking about. Either that or you are spreading disinformation. Doing a search for Katrina gun confiscation, it took less than five minutes to come up with these sources:

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/Katrina-Gun-Confiscation-The-Untold-Story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

http://reason.com/archives/2005/09/10/defenseless-on-the-bayou

Here are two from the site of a former New Orleans police officer who resigned after Katrina:

http://www.truthistreason.net/five-new-orleans-police-officers-indicted-in-post-katrina-shooting-burning

http://www.truthistreason.net/six-new-orleans-police-officers-indicted-for-danziger-bridge-shootings

Merlin Wizard said...

Seriously? That's your "evidence" of a conspiracy by the "government" using Gestapo tactics to bust down doors and disarm the citizens? A single incident of disorder within a small organization is not proof of anything other than a group of thugs within an organization! Those six police officers had an axe to grind. Still, you offer no proof that there was any directive by the military, FEMA, DHS or the police to bust down doors and confiscate weapons. You are playing directly into their hands, and, I do not stand corrected; your evidence is lacking.

I am actually interested in starting a revolution, not waiting for one to start, but my greatest fear is not that no one will join me... It is that extremists will "help" and screw it all up. We are looking for people with calm heads that see the REAL facts, are not prone to fits of media sound bite warfare, don't have any ties to racist/supremacist groups, don't have a rebel flag tattoo and actually want to make a change- not just blow it all up and create anarchy. Aside from a handful of the writers, there doesn't appear to be more than a couple contributors here that piqué our interest.

Merlin Wizard said...

I disagree with your first statement; total bullshit, by definition is a manufactured lie. A lack of names, dates and details would be "potential bullshit"

However, having said that, I agree with the second statement. Absence of proof does not mean proof of the absence of truth.

Hence the reason for the specops credo: admit nothing, deny everything and make counter accusations. A beautiful example of how that works is the transcript of Hilary Clinton's testimony on Benghazzi. Clearly she was coached by the spooks; all the hallmarks are there. Go check it out and see what can be done with a little finessing of the vernacular.

Anonymous said...

I can tell you really want to believe ..but you have got to stop swallowing the bullshit they're feeding you. Just smile and spit it out when they're not looking. Instead, you're trying to convince me that all these "truther" claims, alternative media sources, conspiracy theories, etc. are really an elaborate double-psy-op? What? You want real facts?? Well unless you were on the ground when this was happening you'll have to learn to read in between the lines.

Anonymous said...

Those who think this Fascist BS cannot happen is either stupid or too young to remember Hitler and His Nazi Gestapo. I have read that the military secretly have been vaccinating military people with mind altering drugs, thereby they have control of mindless soldiers and would order soldiers to murder any or all civilians making them believe that their families will or are attacking them?

djohnston said...

"I'll get back to the rest of you with information, either in support or in refute."

Where's that supporting evidence? Oh, wait, it's "Merlin the Magician says ..."

"Do I think Obama would ever order troops into neighborhoods to disarm the public? No, I don't..."

"I am actually interested in starting a revolution, not waiting for one to start, but my greatest fear is not that no one will join me..."

So, there's nothing to worry about, but you want to start a revolution.

"Aside from a handful of the writers, there doesn't appear to be more than a couple contributors here that piqué our interest."

Good luck with that, Mister Wizard. End of conversation.

Anonymous said...

I think it's safe to say that Merlin is not really a magician.. but a troll. An ambitious troll at that.

Merlin Wizard said...

Like I said, "marginalized".

You get so caught up in the propaganda that you don't even bother with the real issues. You are stuck on the sidelines- complaining, but otherwise doing nothing.

Merlin Wizard said...

Ahhh yes... Another "anonymous poster" with nothing to say. How's the weather on the sidelines?

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