Wednesday, November 14, 2012

White House Forced to Confront State Petitions to Secede? (Updated)

Liberty Upended - Anthony Freda
Joe Wright
Activist Post

The White House website has been bombarded with petitions that have mushroomed to all 50 states moving to secede. The first petition came in from Louisiana the day after Obama's re-election, and since then a chorus of others have issued their grievances.

Now, under White House rules stated in its "We the People" program, if 25,000 people sign on by December 7th, a response must be issued. Just a few days after submitting, that number has been reached by the petitions from Texas, North Carolina, Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee -- with Texas surpassing 100,000.

Here is the current list of state totals for those near or over the threshold:

  1. Alabama (30,250)
  2. Arizona (23,479)
  3. Arkansas (23,125)
  4. Colorado (22,277)
  5. Florida (34,755)
  6. Georgia (32,039)
  7. Indiana (21,562)
  8. Louisiana (36,970)
  9. North Carolina (30,385)
  10. South Carolina (24,341)
  11. Tennessee (31,047)
  12. Texas (117,328)
In total, the number is more than 750,000 across the nation.

Will the White House respond, or ignore the will of the people as it routinely does on the issues that matter most? One Florida resident is making national news; former Navy serviceman, Philip Hoezel, who turned his flag upside down in protest on Veterans Day.

While his neighbors berated him for the blasphemy, and for "hurting a lot of people's feelings;" as a Navy man he would know that the traditional significance of the upside-down flag is to indicate a ship in its final moments of severe distress before it sinks -- a ship of state, for instance. It is a form of peaceful protest that is increasing in numbers and is a statement as symbolic as these petitions.

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68 comments:

Anonymous said...

Really doesn't matter if the torturer in chief responds. As Nike says "Just Do It!"

Ryan said...

It's up to 31 now.

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Michigan
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Jersey
New York
North Carolina
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
West Virginia
Wyoming

Anonymous said...

he will respond, have you seen the explosions to houses. get used to it 40,000 drones hundreds of thousand hell fire missiles. expect it to increase.

Activist said...

Thank you Ryan, I have updated that number, as well as the update that Louisiana has now reached the threshold. Thank you for taking the time to add the list. J.W.

Anonymous said...

Every state has its own constitution and bill of rights anyway. See ya feds!

Anonymous said...

I don't doubt some of the Mexican drug lords are liking their chops, just waiting for all the military to be remove from the Southwestern U S.
I just wonder what part of these states North Korea will want.

Anonymous said...

the NWO wants this or you would not be hearing about it on the mainstream news. They want civil war.

Anonymous said...

Why ask a murdering, treasonous traitor punk for permission to leave? Following what he says sets up a false paradigm, that somehow he has power over u. The PEOPLE are in power! TELL the punk, dont ask the punk.

Paul said...

Which state will be the first to hit 10% of their population ?

Anonymous said...

What is MO number count at?

Anonymous said...

Texas has hit the numbers they need. They would also enforce the boarders, some thing the US gov has failed to do in decades! It would be great to set up a single place where a true court system could operate without the huge lobby groups buying off judges, then those who have been a part of the failing banking system that led to the theif of trillions from the tax payers would get what is coming to them because it will not happen in NYC or DC!

If this grows to al 50 states, then the pwople could take back our Republic & put all the theives in jail,seize their assets & get the people out of debt, stop the wars, close all these failed agencies, one of the deadlyist one is the NRC, if the public knew the truth about our Nuke PLANTS there would be protests in across the nation. To keep up up with our Nuke plants problems that will only get worse go to www.fairewinds.com befor the gov shuts them down for telling the truth.

Anonymous said...

This is so funny however when all these folks realize that all the programs they have become so dependent on to live Medicare, Medicaid, SS, Food stamps, Gov housing, Ins Policies, and so many other programs that Americans have been suckered into joining and funding all GOES AWAY the day you leave the plantation.
I think once they realize that they will cower back into their places and no more will be heard from them.
Sorry it's too late folks you have been conquered you just don't understand it because you think all of this evil started when you became aware of it. No you were born into it and have supported it through every thing you have ever done because you have been inculcated into believing this is the only way things could be and thus can never see that it is just one of thousands of ways things cold be.
But we have sold our souls to this way and all the lies, deception, and entitlements it uses to keep us loyal to it and that will sadly continue.

Bottom line NO ONE IS SECEDING just more empty talk...which is all a conquered people can do.

If Mitt the Mormon/Jew had won there would not be any talk of seceding though he would do exactly as Barack the Muslim/Jew will continue to do because neither of them even gets to decide when they shit. But you think they are in charge. You can't fix stupid!!

Anonymous said...

All dirt poor shitheel states that are net recipients of Federal largesse. Their presence will not be missed as the remaining rich and well educated states no longer have them dragging on progress. Also this kind of talk about secession is SEDITION AND TREASON.

Anonymous said...

Gotta agree with the more skeptical comments here. I don't have the cyclops, but if you do go turn on the Flux Nitworks and see what they are saying about this people's revolt. Your anger is likely being used to help bolster Peterson and the other billionaires negotiating position in the upcoming so-called fiscal cliff. Should be called the billionaires ultimatum or something more descriptive for this manufactured war on social secuity.

Anonymous said...

Anon.10:34, You hit the nail on the head. It's just the bacon making popping noise as it fries.

Anonymous said...

I agree whole heartedly with the last paragraph from the above comment!!!! YAY!!!! But the first part I don't fully agree with. I would guess, most of the people that have signed these are patriots and realize there is no legitimate reason to live in one of the 50 states and be TOTALLY CONTROLLED by the feds. I believe this is the only recourse. But you are very correct, and most all of these do not see that it wouldn't have made any difference who won, they are almost exactly the same, because everything they do is following the orders of the puppet masters that are controlling the whole thing. Glad at least someone has fully woken up! Also, I would hope people quit talking about who voted in whom.... voting is totally fraudulent and means absolutely nothing because they can change the vote almost anywhere there is a voting machine.

Brian Thiesen said...

The one thing that needed to be downsized all this time (govt) may finally happen, The one thing that needed to happen to make it so (people waking up) is in play, after awareness all is effortless! nice work people!

Anonymous said...


I believe in States rights. But I believe in the right of the people first and foremost. :)

And remember kids, the media/GOP/DNC always suppresses the candidate of your best interest. In this case it was Ron Paul. :(

Anonymous said...

Sorry boys and girls this has been going on for over 20 years and nothing will happen remember the north and south

Anonymous said...

Fun Fact: I work with the public and a number of customers actually have brought this up to me asking me what I think.

Whenever it's brought up, there's only two points of view I have heard so far:

1) Yes, let them secede - and I hope they stay far away from the rest of us.

2) Yes, let them secede - and I'm moving there.

Not that I think either is going to happen - although there's a lot of people here prepping for a toe-to-toe civil conflict in the near future. BTW: I live in Arizona

Remember kids, it's not the ones who start the war that come out the victors, it's the one's who finish it ;)

MajorityRfools said...

The emporer wares no clothes. If all 50 states seceded, then the Fed. Gov. would only be in charge of 10 sq. miles called DC, just like it was only supposed to do in the first place. I never thought of this angle before, but I'm all for it. Maybe we can downsize govt. cold turkey. Put DC on craigslist for ummm 16 trillion, firm. Ha ha

MajorityRfools said...

What would Michigan do if it seceded? This state isn't just broke, it has rusted through, ben stripped, and is up on blocks. This welfare (blue) state couldn't feasably be self sufficient.

Anonymous said...

Why do I keep hearing the president is voted in by the people.. The people's vote has nothing to do with who is put in office as POTUS he/she is placed there by the electoral college

ESF said...

I hear the Democrats started a counter-secession petition, which asked that those who signed the secession petition be stripped of their citizenship and exiled - while, of course, the illegal aliens are granted amnesty. Big surprise there.

Anonymous said...

Please, please, please can the whole Confederacy just secede? Can you imagine how wonderful the USA would be without those rubes?

Adam Evenson said...

Big things are happening, folks. It doesn't matter who ACTUALLY secedes or whether, it is THE SPIRIT of the whole exercise that is ultimately the mover and shaker. Not so long ago, nobody could have even talked seriously about secession publicly. Everybody would have laughed him or her off the stage, as something that is totally impossible!

But you know, if enough numbers of little marbles (people) get into the notion of secession, then biiiiiiiig shit will happen no matter what else is going on regarding it.
There very well could be at least several strong secessions that nobody can do anything to deter. Several Southern States went for secession and caused The Civil War. Who thinks it cannot happen again? If I were a betting man, I'd give heavy odds that it can happen again (secession and civil war) and that the atmosphere is riper for it right now than it was in Antebellum South.

I am just enthralled that I am here to witness it firsthand, and if desired, to have a hand in it. My hand may be forced to get in it, even though I hate to be forced to fight and kill anybody. I'm not sure I could kill or even harm anybody unless directly attacked, which I idea I don't like, either. Will I have a civil war or not is the question each must ask. Shall we then vote? What else is there to it?

Anonymous said...

So what exactly are you racist hoping to accomplish by seceding from the Union?

I live in a Red State and I'm not plannig on another Civil War. This time around it won't be horses, muskets, cannons, etc. Try drone strikes, bombings, etc.

This all sounds like total BS ranting of nuts who lost. Get over it. We were stuck with W. Moron Bush for 8 long years, and I never once thought I would secede from the Union.

Grow up and try not to be such racist. After all, the white race is not the majority in America and most likely never will be again. You just might need to fit in, not stand out.

Anonymous said...

A Petition may be a start, but it isn't a finish. Each "sovereign republic" must be able to form trade alliances with each other, based on what each produces as a commodity of trade, as say the "old Europe" once did. Each must establish new or neglected bases for governing laws and judicial, representative roles as set forth in each ratified constitution. This is taking place in many "liberated countries". Each
must choose leaders by popular vote.
What becomes of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights that once could govern "free men and women"?
Perhaps each demand by Petition can start with the intention of upholding the documents
of our Founding, actively resisting all attempts
that have been used to destroy them, by declaring the "sovereign" rights of the people
to be governed only by those who uphold them.

Anonymous said...

Everyone that moves to a different state for better opportunities is a secessionist. And everyone who leaves the U.S. has seceded. Great to hear that those in the belly of the beast are ready to take it on and slay it within its lair. Second American Revolution!

Michael Redmond said...

This is TOTAL NONSENSE. "States" are NOT petitioning to secede. That could happen only by the action of their legislatures. Does no one here know any American history or constitutional law? What's happening is that private citizens are expressing their private views that the state in which they reside should secede from the Union. That's all there is to it.

Carroll said...

Well cheers to all. It looks like the old Confederacy is trying to form up again. But don't get your hopes up folks. All it will take to get the rabble in line will be a threat to cut off federal funding for a pet highway projects, and it will all be over in 24 hours or less. Lets face it folks. This fight was lost at Appomattox in 1865 by Confederate soldiers who were the toughest men to ever walk bare footed and up-right on two legs. So at this late date, if you think America's spoiled, flabby excuses for men will stand and face Uncle Sam's guns and predator drones, then you have another thought coming.

Anonymous said...

I thought it was "we the people" Michael? We don't need no stinkin' legislatures. It's the will, will, will. And behind will is the spirit. Like the spirit of 1776 ... find that in your history books?

Elton Hammock said...

Though a trifle better than "Occupy", petitions don't carry the weight of state-legislated secession to those in office, but it does send a message within a faltering system. Also, pepper spray doesn't work on petition signatures.

But when we really get serious, we'll notch it up to tax revolt status...politicians understand money almost as well as banksters and mega-merchants.

Robert Ross said...

Please help Canada secede and sign this petition:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-canada-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/5Jr5TpNN

Anonymous said...

The MSM reports this as a common thing after a election, you have the losers pulling off this crap to get their distain out for the winer!

Well, it seems it goes a lot deeper & is more important than ever that the people come toghter as one or fall as one. GOD be with you all!

Anonymous said...

I would just like to say to everyone who is saying "in a civil war our governments drones will blow you up" etc. Don't you see the problem with that? We have empowered our government to the point where we no longer have a voice. Right now, if by some miracle every civilian that wasn't a member of our government banded together and went against our government in a civil war, we would ALL be destroyed. Doesn't that bother you? Taking the government's side now won't protect you when you disagree with it in the future. Wake up!

Anonymous said...

Hawaii is in there too.

Anonymous said...

Every state has it's own constitution anyway said one poster.

Yeah, but what about California where I live. Under Senators like Diane Feinstein, our constituion must be serving the needs of Mexico, because they see to be the only people that can get away with ANYTHING in California. Thanks Feinstein, Boxer, Sacramento , TRAITORS. Signed ,,,,,,,,one overtaxed California LEGAL CITIZEN.

JCII said...

LMAO..
The largest armed group on the ENTIRE PLANET is American deer hunters.
The cia would be having a shortage of drug lords real fast.

Anonymous said...

For Anonymous @ 11:45 AM, the moment the constitution started to be shredded by whichever, politician, and it has been SEVERAL to help do so, that is TREASON... & "SEDITION", fuck you for worshiping the state. Also any time a political movement speaks against unjust laws it could be taken as "sedition" that means everyone who speaks out against cannabis raids, everyone who speaks about anything the government does in a provocative manner is guilty of sedition... Anyone calling for "jury nullification"... etc. all potentially construed as "seditious" acts... Further, look at the wording of the petitions, it's a simple request, and it's not so much about the request, nobody believes the request will be granted, but at the same time people are sick and tired of worshiping the bankers, as well as corporate interests, both hiding behind the guise of the "state"...

Sedition & Treason, gtfo with that bullshit.

Anonymous said...

Does everything need "approval".... That's half the fucking problem.

Anonymous said...

How embarrassing, you get the job as coach n all the players quit. lmfao...

Anonymous said...

It is not secession!

The United States of America was suspended on March 27, 1861 when Congress terminated its session 'sine die'; and afterwards being unable to gather a quorum to open a new session (because of the many States having seceded from the Union).

Soon afterwards Abe Lincoln took the reins and ruled by Executive Order, the first being to declare maritial rule on April 15, 1861 (which we are still under). (His opposition to lawful seccession was because the South had all the valuable seaports that the North could not afford to lose, ergo the Civil War.)

The federal government has operated fraudulently ever since, doing so formally since 1871 as the 'United States', a foreign owned municipal corporation seated in the territory of the District of Columbia. Essentially all Americans are 'subject to' i.e. 'slaves of' this fraudulent government.

The States ceased to function as sovereign States when the de facto (unlawful) federal government abrogated (repealed the provision of) U.S. Constitutional law, Article I, Section 10, clause 1 that says "No State shall...make any Thing but gold and siver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts." That 1933 passage of House Joint Resolution 192 rendered the States impotent by taking away gold and silver as legal tender, making them unable to lawfully receive or tender payments. States have been franchisees of the United States corporation ever since.

The solution? Return gold, silver and sovereignty to the State by action of its nullifying ALL unconstitutional laws, especially HJR 192, i.e. refusing all (de facto) laws, even while continuing as one of the sovereign 'united States of America'.

A Continental Congress could suspend the federal government until the mess is cleaned up and new elections held.

Anonymous said...

All I can say is that people need to realize the cabal of people called 'presidents', 'elites', 'TPTB', 'politicians'... the list of labels is endless.

Point is... YOU tell them what you want, don't let THEM tell you what THEY want...

At the end of the day, we are ALL human beings.

Anonymous said...

All these idiots screaming about southern bigotry listen up: It's not about race! This is about watching our country go down the shitter and being sick and tired of it. Doesn't matter who's at the helm-- this ship is sinking and the officers have to be put on notice that 'the help' isn't going to stand for it anymore.

This country was built on the backs of workers of all colors and creeds, not the shithead bankers and politicians who are so damn dirty in their dealings they should be tried and convicted of treason. They don't deserve hanging or a needle or even a firing squad. I can't even think of a proper ending for their actions. Definitely not life in jail or 'relocating' to some nice little place in south America.

Look at what was accomplished after the hurricane? Look how the communities pulled together to make sure communication was restored, people were getting out of their houses alive, and had at least a bit of food and fresh water. People SHARED what they had and scrounged for what else was needed.

We are all the change necessary to turn this country around. We just have to pull together and take a stand. Yes, a petition doesn't change the legal standing of a state but it certainly wakes up more people to show them that they can indeed straighten up to use their backbone to help.

Please stop the racial bullshit. It's not about that. Southerners simply have a long memory of being stomped on. It's egotistical, maybe. Definite possibility. We're the first ones to jump up and give a shit, that's all. Say what you want about Medicaid/care and Social Security. When push comes to shove families and communities will take care of one another because it's the best thing to do. Will there be bumps along the way?-- yes! But that's how we learn. Humanity at large has compassion and we are much more capable of caring for one another than we remember.

Let's not lose hope and our innate belief in our own abilities. We can't afford to lay down anymore. Our Bill of Rights has been pissed and shit on too many times the past sixty years to withstand any longer.

Also, people mentioned energy/money/infrastructure. Check out "Stirling Engines" and weep. This tech has been available for almost two hundred years and yet the whole time we've been raping our planet of too many natural resources. Energy is FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! If we build these devices we don't have to depend on any Electric company.

Anonymous said...

Connecticut has 1 but it needs to be spread, not visible until 150 sigs
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-connecticut-separation-united-states-america-make-its-own-new-government/ZZ45KCqh

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but I dont buy this take... These people whom are seeking to leave the union do not wish war on each other, and in fact are tired of the wars, drone strikes, and federal disreguard of the CONSTITUTION. For those interested even Congress is finally getting fed up with the executive branch running roughshodden over the Constitution. When Panetta stated that in future wars the p..resident would seek UN approval, and may let Congress know, they went to far. It is why Impeachment is now on the table. This is not about race, it is about following the laws this country was founded upon. It is time for an end to the unjust wars, and even the military commanders, who are being relieved as we speak no longer wish to play ball. Many in the military take their oaths seriously, and the disrespect the commander in chief is showing is appalling. People are starting to draw their lines in the sand and saying enough. I am only shocked it took this long, as the last few administrations have been dismal in their respect of those same laws which they pretend to swear to uphold. This country would function quite well without the Fed, and those people who believe the people who are pushing for secession are traitors, are the ones who are supporting those traitorous to this great republic of ours. The MSM are some of the worst of them, as they quit being journalists some time ago, and are now the Ministry of Propaganda we were warned about. It is time people remembered how to think for themselves, and look at the facts which speak for themselves. Is this the America so many fought and died for? I think not, so we must change, and the ideas are being presented for just that. The Fed can accept this and once again represent us or face the alternative. It really is quite simple, when you remove the bueracrats, and career politicans making millions off our backs, while simultaneously and without our consent taking our country in a direction that is only good for them..

Anonymous said...

Secession petitions are good PR but bad politics. There is a way for states to legally and politically secede from the American union but it must be a state-by-state process established by constitutional secession conventions in each state. Read: http://thedailybell.com/28286/Ron-Holland-Secession-Petitions-Good-PR-But-Bad-Politics

Anonymous said...

First thing the Public has to learn is, what the definition of Republic vs. Democracy is.

We are NOT a Democracy. We are a Republic. Democracy is based on "Mob Rule." Republic is based on, "Representative Rule."

So, forget ruled by the majority. We never have been ruled by the populace. It's all been by representatives, who are bought and paid for!

If the states want to secede then, how each will govern itself? What Constitution will each use? Will each be a Democracy or a Republic?

If the states turn into little kingdoms then, where's the advantage to doing that? Are we suddenly going to see more compassionate leadership and less corporate manipulation of the politics? What about fiscal policies? Who's going to print the state's money?

You think just because you secede from the Union that your neighbor states won't be harassing, monitoring, sanctioning, etc., by what would be left in Washington? No one walks away from the Family! You're in it for life!

It's great to want to runaway from home but, what happens to you out their in the cold, cruel world?

Anonymous said...

So when all the states cede from the union do we become 50 balkanized countries making separate deals with the owners of the New World Order? Will soldiers for the country of Ohio or New Jersey come to the rescue of Alabama if its coast line was breached by armed Caribbean soldiers? Would soldiers from New Jersey come to the rescue of forces in New York under siege by disgruntled brokers and their personal guards?
Change is what is needed not reinvention of a broken wheel like another civil war. It is time for Americans to break from their separate camps and join in one camp around one fire of change that provides for life, liberty, peace, progress and prosperity for everyone, even those beyond our shores who are of different races, creeds and colors. It is time for Americans to become Americans again and decide what history has to say about them.

JLKGreystone - a common laborer

iamlightagain said...

Social programs that the federal government now doles out to the needy should be the responsibility of the states.
Think folks, how much richer the states would be if we no longer sent our hard earned money to support the overbloated, fat assed, lazy federal government corporation!

Anonymous said...

good riddance to you wackos

Gilbert said...

Everyone should know that the right of secession sits with each sovereign state.

Here is the link for this discussion which I believe puts to rest the subject of secession as it pertains to our modern world:

http://www.debate.org/debates/States-have-a-Right-to-Secede/1/

James Madison was the one to write the constitution, and in the Federalist papers he stated; "Each State, in ratifying the Constitution,is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act.
In this relation, then, the new Constitution will, if established, be a FEDERAL, and not a NATIONAL constitution."

I am more incline to believe the author than the critic, in regards to what a book does or does not say, and I believe he constitution follows the same principles.

Another founding father who agreed with James Madison was Thomas Jefferson.

Thomas Jefferson once stated, "If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it. "

Thomas Jefferson has also stated, "If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation... to a continuance in union... I have no hesitation in saying, 'let us separate.'"


In the Bill of Rights the 10th Amendment to the US constitution reads, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Article 1 Section 10, states the Powers prohibited of States;



Article 1 Section 8 lists the Powers of Congress, and secession is never mentioned.

Article 4 Section 3 addresses New States;

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State."

To make clear the United States refers to the Federal Government, and States are not a territory nor property of the Federal Government.

The part where it specifically states, "nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State." makes clear that each state is sovereign, and this section is not granting the Federal government sovereignty over the states, nor states sovereignty over the Federal Government.

The Semicolon was placed to mark a interdependent statement, in other words, the statement was made specifically to clear up any confusion.

Because the power of Common Law is limited, the Supreme Court had no authority to rewrite the constitution, seeing as we are not a Kritarchy, and because the ruling regarding secession contradicted the constitution specifically it is essentially void, as common law. Since there is no Common Law regarding secession, and seeing as the Constitution does not mention secession, it follows that secession is a state power.

Anonymous said...

Would the US govt be able to attack those states that secede as a foreign territory with troops [loaded with soldiers/mercenaries from foreign nations] that have no allegiance to America at all AND with no alleged ties to what's left of the constitution? Would it just be better to enact a law stating for that state not to follow any federal mandates & laws instead, not pay any federal taxes, not to contribute the guard to any federal expeditions and guard their own borders PERIOD!?

Anonymous said...

Agree with the 2:11 am anony who added, "No one walks away from the Family! You're in it for life!" Ha, ha.

The point 2:11 am made was that THE problem is that representative government does not represent you. It is a corrupt bribery ring that routinely and constantly, for decades, sells your interest out while convincing you someone else is to blame.

We, the internet left and the internet right, still have common cause:

Representative government. A free press. Draconian financial reform and removal of its tentacles from municipal finance, education, healthcare and pensions. Reform of the military from a profit center to national defense. There is so much we could do for the benefit of all.

And regarding a free press, the internet if a free-for-all, but it has the same problem as television: it can be used to misinform and mislead. Look at the t-party and how genuine frustration at the grassroots level was hijacked. When someone whips up the internet posse, ask yourself if you are aligned with solutions or more of the same back and forth that sidelines all of us while our nation is destroyed.

I'm not saying this protest isn't a genuine expression of the anger and frustration here in the hinterlands. I'm just saying we need to pick our fights critically and get some traction on accomplishing something rather that fighting with each other over inconsequential issues.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 2:11- No one walks away from the Family! You're in it for life!

This is called brainwashing. If your family beats the living daylights out of you and you stay, then what are you? Codependent, hopeless and a coward. This whole scenario of the states seceding is a symbolic gesture. The aristocrats in D.C. don't listen to anyone but their corporate masters, but this might get them to remove their heads from their asses for a second and look around. For that alone it's worth it.

messianicdruid said...

I'm just happy you all {!?} are finally talking to one another...

http://gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2012/2012-m11-november/kingdom-perspective-troubling-times/

Anonymous said...

First it is NOT the "National Debt" ! It is the "Federal Debt" of the Federal municipal corporation known as the "United States" and defined as a corporation in the positive law known as United States Code. Just google
28 USC 3002(15 and read it for your self Paragraph 15 states clearly the D.C is a "corporation". As for the States, they are all SOVEREIGN and need no permission from a corporation ! Here is New Hampshire's authority to secede in Article 10 of their Bill of Rights. You may also want to read Article 7 and 8 where all power is reserved to the people.
The corporation created by the people to do the business of the New Hampshire Republic, has its limited powers in the corporate charter, which is Part II, "Form of government", of the New Hampshire constitution. All Sovereignty rests with each State, The Federal corporation has NO power over any sovereign State! The public servants employed by the corporation have
ONLY the powers delegated to them by the charter.
[Art.] 7. [State Sovereignty.] The people of this state have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent state; and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right, pertaining thereto, which is not, or may not hereafter be, by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled.

[Art.] 8. [Accountability of Magistrates and Officers; Public’s Right to Know.] All power residing originally in, and being derived from, the people, all the magistrates and officers of government are their substitutes and agents, and at all times accountable to them. Government, therefore, should be open, accessible, accountable and responsive. To that end, the public’s right of access to governmental proceedings and records shall not be unreasonably restricted.

[Art.] 10. [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

Anonymous said...

The only people who don't comprehend the necessity to secede are mindless, balless, entitled welfare recipients, and those so programmed by political correctness they're unable to recognize Hitler (HINT: This one is "black"). NSA, FED, TSA, FBI, DOD, CFR, Vatican, Isreal, Queen of England, HAARP, FDA, DEA, IRS, etc., ad nauseum; ALL operatives of a shadow government/Bilderbergs.

We've got a puppet president (nigger or moron, no difference), illegal wars, rampant treason, usurpment of $8 million(American) a DAY to Isreal to torture Palestinians, banker bailouts, more US soldiers committing SUICIDE than being killed to further our Afghanistan OPIUM operations for DOPE, INC. (Queen,again..) Monsanto and Big Pharma complicit w/AMA and ADA to destroy our health and turn us into wards of the state.

Like ignorant cattle all we do is breed (don't once consider that children have SOULS) and blame the result of your neligence on "Jesus".

Completely insane Bernake printing dollars til they won't be valuable enough to wipe your ASS with, which is exactly what the current administration is using the Constitution for.

Even IF if you assholes waken, we're so fucked by the decades of complacency that the result will still be catostrophic.
Go back to your booze, xanex and watch another hollywood movie till we're all blown to hell. Stinkin' cellphone-brainbaked, McDonald's chomping, cockroaches.

FOLLOW the $$$

Anonymous said...

Zionist banksters will not allow anyone to peacefully secede from their swindling, usury, or genocide.

One-percenters' Nemesis said...

Here's a suggestion for Anon, Nov 13, 11:15pm about what to do with the greedy and treasonous politicians and bankers:-

1. Seize all of their money and assets in this country and abroad. Leave them with only the clothes on their backs, a few personal effects, and a little money to survive on for the time being.

2. Ban them from ever taking a job that pays more than minimum wage.

3. Tattoo both hands with a distinctive symbol that indicates their new 'status'. And microchip them.

4. Ban any travel out of the U.S. and impose permission required to cross a state line.

5. Order them to register any change of address and to report to a designated police station once a week for a 'tattoo check', and to ensure compliance with their conditions.

6. Issue them with a monitored bank account and debit card, and ban them from ever having ANY other accounts or credit cards, and even from using cash.

7. Impose stiff mandatory prison sentences for any infringement of the above.

The above represents a selection of what they'd ultimately like to do to the rest of us, so let the punishment fit the crime.

With any luck most of the motherf*****s would kill themselves rather than go through all of that, doing us all a favour!

Lemurianhealer said...

Support our Troops?
End their Abuse!
Bring them home, NOW!
William Hayes Wyttenbach
Honorably discharged Major, USAF

mliblover said...

The best result that the secession petitions can deliver is to stimulate debate such as what we are seeing right here.

Anonymous said...

A lot of you People don't seem to understand what's really happening here and what has been happening for a very long time. We have no 'Rights' anymore becuaes only the States are Sovereign, and there are no States anymore. Just sub-corporations under the parent corporation of THE UNITED STATES. Just ask yourself, Are you a US citizen? If you answer yes, then you are admitting that you are SUBJECT to the Federal Government. I am not a US citizen (slave), I am an American. Born in a particular Nation State. The UNITED STATES isn't a Country. And America isn't a country. It's a union of States. The people have all the power. We have just been taught otherwise all our lives. Think about it. Why would FEDERALLY funded public fool systems EVER teach you the truth. That they are SERVANTS to the People. Search youtube for videos about the UNITED STATES is a Corporation. You'll see the light!!!

Anonymous said...

Obama's political career was launched by a communist terrorist, William Ayers, member of the Weather Underground. Back in the 1970s when they were planning the "fundamental transformation" of the USA into a Socialist State, they had to contend with the idea that lots of Americans would resist.

They estimated at that time that they would have to murder about 25 million Americans who would not go along with "fundamental transformation".

The estimate is probably much higher now.

Everyone signing the petitions is making a symbolic statement but will it impede, in any way, the Left's agenda? Not likely. But they're happy to have your name on "the list".

FBI on Weather Underground.
Larry Grathwohl interview about William Ayers, Obama's Mentor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlN2t0oERHk

Anonymous said...

All of you freaks need to get a life and get the F##%K out of the USA...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7:42pm Nov. 15 is just too scared to stay and fight for his country. Pussy. YOU get the fuck out!

Anonymous said...

@Anon Nov 14 2012 2:50 pm: The shit you said right there is why people don't believe this whole thing is about the loss of rights and more about Obama's race. Going out of your way to say he is black and using the word nigger to refer to the President doesn't make the case that you aren't all racist, xenophobic assholes who can't accept the fact that the idiot you voted for didn't win and that he would do the exact same things as the "nigger" in the office now.

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