Monday, November 26, 2012

Is Secession Healthy Decentralization or Divide-and-Rule?

Eric Blair
Activist Post

If the centralization of power is one of the biggest threats to human freedom, wouldn't decentralization be considered the solution? Sounds reasonable, but some say decentralization, or secession, is a divide-and-conquer tactic by the elite. So which is it?

First, a bit of background for those unfamiliar with the ruling class' agenda. All researchers would agree that the "end game" for the ruling class is complete consolidation of power into a one-world government and a one-world currency. In other words, the goal of the elite is to control all nations from a single central office.

However, individual nations are beginning to realize that their participation in larger political and monetary unions has resulted in significantly less autonomy, and secession movements are popping up everywhere in the Western world.

Greece has been talking about leaving the European Union for over a year, and now the majority of British citizens are also in favor of seceding from the EU. Likewise, smaller territories are at the point of voting in referendums to separate from their nation states. Scottish citizens will be voting on an independence referendum to secede from the UK, while the state of Catalonia has a similar measure to separate from Spain.

In the United States, state secession petitions have been filed on the White House website for all 50 states, with several already surpassing the 25,000 signatures needed to demand a response from the Administration. Originally the U.S. was established as a federation of states, each with their own sovereignty. This was until the Civil War made clear that no state was free to leave the Union, at least not without a fight.


Recently, voters in two US states sought to flex their sovereign muscles by legalizing marijuana, which remains a violation of federal law. Even more telling of overt centralization of power, the U.N. says marijuana legalization can't happen at the state level in America because of its commitments to international drug treaties. This development has some wondering if it will teach proponents of big government the dangers involved with centralization of power.

Now on to the question at hand: Is the secession movement a healthy development toward decentralization of power, or a ploy to divide-and-rule once the whole is weakened?

Liberty icon Ron Paul calls secession an "American principle" and says it's the right of sovereign territories when they feel tyranny from the federal government can't be restrained through other methods. He correctly states that the U.S. came into being by essentially seceding from England, and also points to the decentralization of the former Soviet Union as positive results from secession.

Watch the video below for his analysis of the idea:



He recently wrote that a free society means your are free to leave:
In a free country, governments derive their power from the consent of the governed. When the people have very clearly withdrawn their consent for a law, the discussion should be over. If the Feds refuse to accept that and continue to run roughshod over the people, at what point do we acknowledge that that is not freedom anymore? At what point should the people dissolve the political bands which have connected them with an increasingly tyrannical and oppressive federal government? And if people or states are not free to leave the United States as a last resort, can they really think of themselves as free?
The underlying philosophy behind Paul's stance is that a bloated central government will naturally erode civil liberties, and the closer one gets to local control of issues, the easier it is to protect the rights of individuals. Thus, human freedom has a better chance to prosper under a smaller, more decentralized or localized system of governance.

The only problem, assuming the federal government would let states peacefully secede, is that you can't guarantee what type of government you'll have and who they'll be beholden to after it secedes. More on this in a moment....

It has long been known that one of the tactics used by the global elite to centralize their power is to divide a strong territory in order to conquer it under their flag. This 'order out of chaos' has been effectively used throughout history, most recently in the Arab Spring. Many researchers would also cite the breakup of the former USSR as an example of this strategy.

In other words, a strong Soviet Union, much like a strong United States, poses a threat to those who wish to control all nations with one central authority; therefore, they must be weakened or destroyed to bring about this New World Order.

In a recent article Secessionism and New World Order, noted historian and author Webster Tarpley calls secession a "crackpot" idea by the right wing who are duping people into "inevitable threat of anarchy, violence and civil war" which would usher in faster imperialism for the banking elite.

Tarpley writes:
What Ron Paul’s deluded followers do not seem to grasp is that secessionism, Balkanization, and the partition of large nations represent indispensable steps towards what they would call the New World Order. The New World Order aims at the destruction of the modern sovereign nation state and its replacement with a universal empire presided over by the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, World Trade Organization, Bank for International Settlements, and NATO ruling over a fragmented crazy quilt world map of petty, squabbling, impotent little microstates, ministates, rump states, and failed states, none of which would have enough power to oppose Exxon Mobil, J.P. Morgan Chase, Halliburton, or a medium-sized private military firm.

Ron Paul is totally on board for this kind of New World Order. He notoriously told the House of Representatives on March 13, 2001 that 'there is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency.' These three elements are in fact the guaranteed destruction of existing nations.

Zbigniew Brzezinski’s theory of such a world prescribes micro-states and mini-states as a means of guaranteeing 'dignity,' meaning a localist, parochialist, and particularist polity for every affinity group on the planet. George Soros supports 'partition studies' at think tanks and universities to facilitate the demise of the modern state. Among reactionaries, Bernard Lewis of the British Arab Bureau has long studied methods for dividing Pakistan into four parts, Iran into five parts, and Libya into three parts, as well as for carving Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran by creating an independent Kurdistan. Iraq is already divided into three parts as a result of US occupation. The US and British have cooperated to divide Sudan into two parts.

Modern imperialism thrives on partition and Balkanization. There was a good case to be made for keeping the USSR together, minus the Baltic and Tran Caucasus states, but the nomenklatura of all the union republics decided that secession was the best way of maintaining oligarchical privilege. This was also exactly what the Anglo-American imperialists demanded. The carving of Czechoslovakia into two parts soon followed. The breakup of Yugoslavia was promoted by NATO, which then proceeded to further detach Kosovo from Serbia, placing it under criminal rule. The British have long supported separatist movements in Spain, Italy, and many other countries, and these are being activated today.
Power will do anything to hold onto power including fighting their own citizens. And when there is a genuine rift movement, the powers-that-be will either co-opt it to steer or discredit it, or they'll break it by creating as much chaos as possible in order to appear to be saviors when the dust settles.

The eurozone is currently experiencing this exact scenario. As EU nations awaken to their lost sovereignty, Brussels is doing everything they can to hold the EU together, while at the same time welcoming a certain amount of chaos for two reasons: 1) To appear necessary to provide bailouts to ensure further enslavement to the banks, and 2) To create a central EU Treasury that can levy taxes directly on member nations.

Buried in this example is what is perhaps more important than seceding from a political union - seceding from monetary unions - because that's where the real power lies. Granted, the ECB (European Central Bank), the Federal Reserve, and the IMF have very little to do with things like marijuana laws. Yet, they have everything to do with determining tax-and-spend policies of supposedly autonomous democratic territories.

The truth of the House of Rothschild banking dynasty's infamous maxim -- "Give me control of a nation's currency and I care not who makes the laws" -- proves that monetary policy trumps any form of government.

Even though former colonies of America, Canada, and Australia technically won their political independence from the Crown, the royal money changers remain in control of their private central banks. Incidentally, these bankers also have control of most influential multinational corporations as well. You know, the ones that everyone complains "own" the US government.

This is clearly spelled out in the video below:



So it's not enough to declare independence and decentralize political control without addressing monetary sovereignty. Prince Andrew, the Duke of York, made this clear at Davos this year when he made fun of suffering eurozone nations by taunting 'At least we've our own currency'.

If states in the US were allowed to secede, but do not create a new monetary system for themselves, they will be no better off than Greece or Spain in the European Union. They will be forced into large debts payable to private bankers who will demand brutal tax-and-cut packages that destroy sovereignty worse than any political authority could force in a democracy.

Tarpley adds:
If Scotland secedes, it will keep the Queen of England as head of state, and will still be subject to the Commonwealth, the European Central Bank, the European Commission, the WTO, NATO, and the International Monetary Fund. Since this is so, what is the point?

Every rational attempt to lead humanity out of the current crisis involves fighting back against Wall Street, the City of London, the Bank for International Settlements, the IMF, NATO, and related institutions. Secessionism does nothing to curb these institutions, and instead abandons any ideological or agitational struggle against them. It helps the empire by weakening the nations. It ignores the fact, long recognized by US supporters of states’ rights, that smaller entities are easier for oligarchs to control than larger entities, because in larger entities the conflicting interests of oligarchical factions tend to cancel each other out, giving the people a greater chance.
Realizing that the global ruling class eventually wants a one-world currency through which they'll control everything through debt-based money they create from thin air, they'll have to weaken or destroy the current world reserve currency - the US Dollar - and the union that it derives its backing from.

So, yes, the secession movement could very well be a ploy to divide-and-rule after all. While at the same time it is also true that smaller more localized governments are far superior to protecting individual liberty.

Although the US Constitution sought to ensure liberty at the federal level, it failed to address the details of money creation and taxation. If a new nation state hopes to protect individual liberty and economic autonomy, they must, at the very least, have a Constitution-level founding document that clearly spells out monetary policy and the limits of taxation for the optimal benefit of citizens. Otherwise, decentralization seems like a waste of time.

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42 comments:

Anonymous said...

Great article! Fair and informative. I think secession is attractive for liberty, but I wouldn't want it to be in name only.

Anonymous said...

The secession mania is a corporate media phenomenon. Over hyped and promoted by a who's who of CORPORATE MEDIA, this movement is a joke.
As most humans with a two digit IQ have determined, our two party system is fake and both parties are criminal scum.
The primary selling feature of this manufactured movement is that "Obama won, we are screwed, lets get out"
Romney, idiot Bush, slick willie Clinton and his greasy wife Hitlery, Obama, ol man poppy CIA Bush, Carter, and yes REAGAN were all servants of fascism. All contributed greatly to the destruction of democracy and the advancement of fascism.

Secession is being hyped and promoted in Europe right now.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/11/25/f-vp-murray-catalonia-europe.html

Canada is once again being baited to have english and french fighting each other, to have Quebec separatism front and center, and to drag redneck Alberta into the mix.

And cue the big secessionist movement in the USA. I can just see Vermont hippies courting Quebec liberals while, Texas oil whores bed down with their Alberta cousins up north. Everyone wants out, everyone says screw this, we need a new deal.......will we get the deal we want, or a fair deal? No No NO.

We WILL get the long planned New World Order dream of one world government. First they make us fight each other, weaken us and break us down. This secessionist mania is a perfect segue to the destruction of nation states that we have all heard about for years.
C'mon people, don't fall for this crap.

Doug Diggler said...

Secession is the lowest act of treason, and yet these idiots want to seceded and claim to love the constitution? Please see a headshrinker about this schizophrenia!

Anonymous said...

"Realizing that the global ruling class eventually wants a one-world currency through which they'll control everything through debt-based money they create from thin air, they'll have to weaken or destroy the current world reserve currency - the US Dollar - and the union that it derives its backing from."

This is a bit ridiculous. The "global ruling class" are the ones with the dollar at their control. I highly doubt that they want their own power to be weakened or destroyed. You seem to think there is an endgame up ahead, but the endgame is already here. They control the world's finances already. The only thing left is to extend that dominance into further and further realms of human choice. They don't need a one-world currency for that, serfdom is already here.

Amelia said...

United we stand ---Divided we fall !!!Our founding founding fathers gave this nation a Constitution that is inviolate...
There will always be groups that want to
destroy the greatest from of government that gave man his freedoms...

The International Monetary Fund, World Bank, Nato, UN, are giant steps, to the New World Order, the oony move to complete a dictatorial
one-world rule is to remove borders and have a universal monetary system.

School no longer teach Consstitution as it should be taught --not telling them that it is Freedom --- but it is a "Democracy" within a " Republic....

The growing ruling elite works constantly to form a government under their powerful will.
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Anonymous said...

7:59 The dollar is controlled by the ruling class as you say..........but, many other world currencies are NOT.
When Iraq (past tense) Iran or China want to play games with currency and oil, they can have a serious impact on the dollar.
When Libya tried to create a $25 billion dollar fund to loan poor African countries money with ZERO interest, in direct competition with IMF American interests, they ended up at war with the USA and have since been destroyed.
Why? Libya hurt the big American interests who control the dollar.

There is every reason to create one currency. The most obvious being the 'exchange' peg. Whenever the NWO money rolls out you will get x amount of them for x amount of US dollars just like other nations will get a rate.
Guaranteed, that peg will do more to enslave nations creating a permanent serf class, using 100% big brother controlled currency.
That does not 'weaken or destroy their power' it solidifies it. Keep reading, you are not there yet.

Anonymous said...

Treason?

The "lowest form(s) of treason" are the actions of the Executive Branch and a willingly castrated congress which has shirked its constitutional responsibilities since immediately after the election of F.D.R. Read the entirety of of the report issued by The Church Committee if need be, as in general terms the first thirty pages should be more than adequate.

Disgustingly, vying alongside the obviously guilty just mentioned for first place in the "lowest form of treason" sweepstakes are the fools who delude themselves into believing that in these times the Constitution is anything more than, as George "W" Bush so described it, "a goddamn piece of paper". It no longer exists as it was mortally wounded by Abraham Lincoln and unceremoniously tossed into a hospital ward. Every time it has attempted to rise from its hospital bed in the dank shadows of the Critical Care Ward some other statist shot another round into its organs. Woodrow Wilson gut shot it again and then F.D.R. placed the head shot.

Anyone who believes to the contrary is no different than the pro-Iraq war fool in the photograph holding the sign that read, "Get a job, Morans" while holding the hand of his young daughter.

For those like this Doug Diddler fellow above, exactly what is the true nature of this country/empire to which you genuflect before
and why does the horror it has become warrant your support?

Try reading the secession document penned by Jefferson, that little "Declaration of Independence" missive you must have missed while attending "public school". Like it or not, by your description every FOUNDER of this country committed the supposedly unconscionable act of treason.

Sorry pal, I side with the founders of what this country used to be and I side with men who yearn to be free. To the contrary you accuse such of "Treason". Against what? Evil incarnate - a growing leviathan run by thieving, murderous thugs almost all universally antiChristian. You are as Lenin said, "a useful fool" and in the most modern of senses, a "Moran".

Anonymous said...

Another point is that it is delusional to claim a state as secessionist because you got 25k signatures on an online petition. You've got x million living in the state, and guaranteed more than half aren't going to be even slightly supportive. Cui bono? The NWO.

Thanks for not encouraging this insanity.

None of it matters if Netanyahu kicks off war in the ME. All of our lives changed forever.

Anonymous said...

Good of AP to simply ask this question and encourage discussion of it.

Anonymous said...

I agree with all of you who are against secession. If the empire is broken into small states or enclaves, what country will be large enough start and continue all of these wars based on lies? What country will be available to kill tens of thousands of innocent foreign, dark people and thus reduce the world's population as the NWO desires? There will be no additional mutilated veterans to fill and enrich our hospitals. And what will we do if there will be fewer veterans committing suicide on a daily basis? Our healthy population will increase exponentially.

And since there will be fewer wars, think of the horror of reducing the rate of increase of our national debt! Our children and grandchildren will be less indebted and will be able to live more comfortably and keep more of what they have earned. Why should they be happier than us?

Think of the enemies we make now who may become our friends and live comfortably beside us. Do we really want or need all of these friends visiting here, spending their money just to make is wealthier?

What did that idiot Jefferson know when he said the following?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Long live the empire!

Anonymous said...

A @ 10:48, Here, Here! Gpr you hit the nail om the head. Either live under the thumb of the oppessors or rise up to relieve them of all their powers, not a easy task when more thab half the nation relys on the gov to live! Put GOD 1st in your life & try to do good to all around you, life was never easy, making excuses is, be a part of goodness & shun evil!

Anonymous said...

More on the empire!

Small countries start wars and kill thousands of people. True most of them are US partners or US client states, but size has nothing to do with it.
Uganda, Cambodia, Israel, Serbia, being just a few examples. Extremely faulty logic to suggest wars would end with a bunch of secessions, faulty or worse.
The national debt is out of control, a canard in this discussion, and one that would cripple any state that seceded with its proportional share of the national debt. Fail.

You pretend to be aware of the NWO but completely ignore any calculus of their well publicized plans to break down all nation states and roll them into one world order. This plays right into their hands.

As for your precious Jefferson, he knew a lot, after all he was illuminati with close ties to England and it was his job to set up the shell country, puppet of the British Empire, the USA.
Talk is cheap and from the day the US was founded it served British colonial interests and in the last century graduated to full partner in crime status. Jefferson talked like Obama or Bush, and was as loyal to the people as they are.
His poetry sure didn't save the millions of beautiful native people that would die over the next few centuries. It didn't do much to stop the steady flow of ships from Africa delivering slaves, nor did it protect Mexico from losing half its land mass in an ugly war to Jefferson's utopia.
More reality based thinking please, enough with this fantasy crap. This is not Hollywood or Foxnews!

Anonymous said...

They took the canadian flag down in Quebec, but still swore and oath to Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg Gotha. How pointless.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous @ 10:48

What you say is laudable, but, if I may, I’d like to add another argument or two against secession.

If we secede, we reduce by a huge margin our own painful self-sacrifice for the good of the politicians and bureaucrats. What could be more praiseworthy than self-abnegation in their cause. With no federal taxes to pay we would be causing a huge number of them to lose their positions. Aside from their loss of easy income, what will it do to their self-esteem? They will realize that their lives have been built on lies, that they in actuality have been worthless drains on the productive members of society, that they have been the major cause of our financial and economic problems. Think of the great feelings of guilt WE will experience, and perhaps be unable to rid ourselves of, for turning the budgetary tables on them.

If we secede and eliminate our mammoth income tax burden, we will spoil ourselves by being able to spend additional funds on ourselves, on the charities of our choices and on any needy friends and/or family who may need assistance. How will that needlessly bloat our own self-esteem, allowing us to realize that we can rely on ourselves rather than beg for federal largesse? Our wives and husbands will no longer require two jobs to support ourselves. What will happen to the work ethic when it becomes apparent that we can live more comfortable and charitable lives with less work if we choose? We can spend more time with our families and friends, enrich our lives in a myriad of ways for which there was no time previously. That is pure evil self-indulgence--and so selfish!

If we secede we will be able to choose the state in which we may live most comfortably. More selfishness. Think of living in a country with a stable monetary system, one where there’s no government created inflation, where you can plan for tomorrow without worrying that your money will lose value or even become worthless in time; a country where you can ingest what you want, smoke what you want, drink what you want with no harassment or prison time. Pure selfishness!

All of you who reject secession are perspicacious in the extreme.

There is very little as satisfying, as rewarding, as sacrificing oneself to empire’s lust for power. That’s what dreams are made of.

Anonymous said...

A @ 12:26

Sure small countries can start wars. But large empires start many more wars with far more and lasting devastation. I don't think that a country called Vermont will attack Iran. The country of South Carolina will not attack Panama. Will California attack Iraq? Will North Dakota support Israel against Gaza?

I am amazed at how a mind can distort reality. Enjoy your empire, its lies, its murders, its endless oppressions against other countries and its own people. You deserve what we're experiencing and will continue to experience, but much worse.

Jefferson knew and understood far more than your pea brain can. When is the last time you founded a university like University of Virginia, something he was more proud of than being president? And if you don't understand the significance of The Declaration of Independence, you were probably "educated"--if we can call it that-- in the public school system overseen by the Empire.

Kenneth Hulsberg said...

Webster Tarpley has his own agenda, and you'll only know it if you've followed him for some time.

You must first realize what multiculturalism has done to the U.S. You must understand the anti-white agendas. You cannot ignore the cultures within the U.S who absolutely hate our constitutions and founding principles, and see it as institutionalized white supremacy. You cannot ignore the anti-Christian agenda, which is a grave threat to the ideas and principles, that shaped the minds of those who created the U.S.

There will be no reforming the Federal Government. I now firmly understand this. I refused to accept it myself for a very long time, but reality knocks on the door. There's so few who really want the America that was.

Whether or not we want a dissolution of our Union, doesn't even matter at this point. That Union is wholly dominated by anti-American forces culturally, economically, and politically. It's simply too late to get it back.

The states do hold the power to reform the union, as the creator is always more powerful than its creation, but the states are not at all in unity with each-other.

The only way America will be again, is for real Americans to rebuild it from the bottom up, because it no longer exists. That will mean secession, and most likely war.

I love it. We're worried about whether secession is good or bad, meanwhile the Presidency has the power to murder Citizens, indefinitely detain them without due process, the Fed declares the U.S a battle field, violates the Constitution without flinching, etc, etc.

It's as though we actually believe the Union still exists. We act as if seceding from a dictatorship serving a foreign power is evil. We act as though trying to reassert independence and sovereignty was in the interest of the global elite.

Maybe our problem is the belief that as a union we're sovereign and independent. Maybe our problem is we believe only the Federal Government knows how to "...coin Money, and regulate the Value thereof." It's like we believe states who gave that power to the Fed couldn't ever give use it for themselves, or in a confederation, or as a new union.

What Tarpley is saying is don't move toward sovereignty and independence, just let King George take the arms, tax you to death, quarter his troops in your home, arrest you without due process, hang you for sedition because you dislike his tyranny, otherwise you're serving the interest of the goldsmith bankers, who want to destroy the British Empire, which they also happen to control. In other words, just keep extending that olive branch to the King hoping he'll grant you your liberty.

Good thing those pesky Colonists seceded from the British Empire, otherwise there would not be an American System of Political Economy for Webster Tarpley to promote and defend. It's a good thing those Colonists don't view their arms as a mere hobby, like Tarpley believes the second amendment to be. It's a damn good thing those "dupes and cretins" fought for their God given rights.

Anonymous said...

What a surprise that a two-bit psuedo-intellectual like Tarpley would either a) completely misunderstand what Ron Paul was saying in his speech given on March 13, 2001; or b) that he would deliberately misrepresent it. Let's look at what Paul actually said, in context:

"There’s nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency. But a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism, and managed by resurgent militant nationalism."

Anyone paying attention can understand that real free trade with a uniform global monetary system (say, for instance, a monetary unit whose bedrock is a one-ounce coin consisting of 371.25 grains of pure silver) is nothing to fear. It is centralization of power that we should fear.

Tarpley is a clown.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 3:23 PM:

BRAVO!

Anonymous said...

Anon 3:23:

A single currency is somehow absent centralized power?

Ron Paul got his new marching orders and he's making less sense than ever.

Anonymous said...

Texas and N.Dakota have oil so their chances to secede are 100 minus.

Anonymous said...

Indeed, the Paul short bus seems to have a brand new destination. This 911 truth denying, Republican party member who believes in the two party system is the worst of fakes.
Simplistic talking points, narrow focus, and a total lack of understanding of the big picture.

Secession is being rolled out in Europe, Canada and Mexico all at the same time.........heavily promoted by corporate media. The Paul short bus has no time for such concerns. It wants you to ignore the goals of the NWO and their one world government plans and how this movement plays right into its hands. Most people here seem to see that.

MajorityRfools said...

For every one of you, ther are an hundred dummies (I'm being conservative in my estimation). This is the new "gubmint edjumacated."

Anonymous said...

Instead of secession and then having a state level centralized government, I think we need to have states or zones form that are free of forced centralized government and free of all forced taxation. Free market voluntary states or zones like this would attract the best, most talented, and smartest people in the world and massive amounts of capital.

MajorityRfools said...

Best reason ever to secede. Stay out of foreign entanglements, become isolationist. Btw, only 11% of colonists were revolutionaries. Some col. Were Tories. The vast majority sat on their buts and awaited the outcome while others fought for the rights of those moral cowards to be worthless. Some things never change.

Anonymous said...

Um.. Section. 10.No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility

I find it amusing. Our only hope lye within that which you good people hold dear.. The belief that if we seperate ourselves from the corrupted whole, we will never be able to seperate ourselves from the corrupted whole.

Lots of speculation and the kings toes are still closer to your nose than the nose of one who will die with his boots on!

Anonymous said...

Hell, just about the lot of you should quit trying. Life's hard enough without your semi to full dellusional state of "history" just making matters worse.

It's the same old crap.. Hook, line, and sinker. If I bitch just right about it, no one will notice I ACTUALLY promote big gov and I might just get what I want..

Make up you fucking minds. Either you want big government or you don't. That fucking simple.

Anonymous said...

@ Anon Nov 26, 2012 6:22 PM What!? Instead of riding yourself of centralized government, you should have ZONES that are free of forced centralized government.. And how would that work exactly? We won't secceed 'cause we need you, to enforce free of you zones? What!? Wait.. What?

Anonymous said...

The entire premise presented in the article is basically a moot point. There are not enough people left in this country who possess the testicular fortitude required to secede successfully and make it stick. The sheeple will continue to bleat their approval for whatever nonsense they're programmed to believe while our nation swirls around the drain and heads for the sewer. It's all over except the cryin' and the dyin'.

Anonymous said...

@ anon Nov 26 2012 4:46 Another big What!? Clearly, I need to be updated on what the 911 truth is. Something about Bush having a trigger on his cock and by fondling himself in front of a bunch of school children caused the towers to implode right after the Skipper and Gilligan ship wrecked into the buildings.

I mean really? The short bus? Paul has a long list of "Paulbots" that buy into theory. Perhaps, you've jumped off the crazy end of the crazy end?

Ron Paul is one of the few people that don't sit around and stroke themselves to the idea that the great goober is in league with the big snot to cause you a bitch fest. While he is maybe not the ideal canidate for prez, look who we got.. Oh, I'm sure he's not at all a kook like Paul.

Paul has been the driving forced behind ending the federal reserve tyranny, while the rest of you merely bitch about the system involded around them that are ruining our lives.

It's like dumbass leading dumbass to ass. You all do realize, that it is the government that owns the police? The military? Corporations don't have that, in fact they are quite harmless, until.. The government puts in police and military on there behalf..

And some of you think that you can just sit back and call someone else a kook. Yeah, here's lookin' at you kid.

Anonymous said...

Bear in mind the difference between secessionist movements in the US and what seems to be the case elsewhere. In the US, secession movements are on the whole, pro-gun and quite traditional in outlook, as in supporting the traditional family, for example.
Secession movements in Europe AFAIK are far more left-wing and quite uninterested in giving people more control of the government by allowing them better access to guns or a greater say in government decisions such as citizen-initiated referendums.
The leaders of the Catalonian secession movement don't want Catalonia to be another Switzerland so much as a smaller Spain-one beholden even more to the EU, I might add.
Secession movements in the US are not looking for a "big brother" to help them-no equivalent of the EU, and certainly not the UN.
At the beginning of US history, the US had 1 Representative for 30,000 voters, now it's 700,000. It looks like the EU in that regard. You can't tell me something isn't wrong.
The article mentions secession from the EU when since it is not (supposed to be) a unitary state, the correct word is withdrawal. This however, highlights the fact that in Europe the discussion hinges on both the potential break-up of nation states as well as that of a supra-national would-be empire. In the US, on the other hand, there is only one level to consider-the national level(though maybe there are secession movements within states as well?). One big difference between the US situation and Europe, is that the national level occupied by the US is occupied by far smaller countries in Europe. The EU itself could probably be considered as the equivalent of the US in terms of size and ecomonic clout.
The legality of US states seceding has been questioned but reality on the ground often determines whether something is considered fair play or not. God knows, the US government chooses to ignore the constitution when it sees fit.
I'm sure there was some suitable blather in the Soviet Constitution about the eternal bonds of all the Soviet peoples...

Anonymous said...

ZONES is the key word
this whole secession movement is top down driven and is the first phase of forming the 10 governing regions (Zones) the powers that be have had in the plan for the US for many years.
And as usual they are going to let the sheep start the ball rolling with this secession movement tool.

It's all part of the plan but they need us to feel we are freeing ourselves from their rule but if we allow it to happen we are playing their game and they will just sit back behind the scenes and steer the movement right where they want it...It's how they operate and always have but most seem to be too stupid to catch on ever... so they will yet again succeed.

And to Anon above who stated,
"The secession mania is a corporate media phenomenon. Over hyped and promoted by a who's who of CORPORATE MEDIA, this movement is a joke.
As most humans with a two digit IQ have determined, our two party system is fake and both parties are criminal scum."

"This secessionist mania is a perfect segue to the destruction of nation states that we have all heard about for years.
C'mon people, don't fall for this crap."

There's a person with their thinking cap on.
it's a shame there are so many more stupid people in this country than intelligent...the stupid will seal our doom believing they are the intelligent by falling for crap like this.

otter walks said...

otter walks said...
Tenth Amendment Proclamation thru "Nullification"... As, it is our
"Duty" to dismiss the puppet government; ratify via a New Congressional Congress, replacing the "Usurpers" and moving forward, with a government, as originally written: of the people, by the people, and for the people... Not the Global Oligarchy, driven by the "Eugenics/Technocracy"; living Delusional, sad, sick minds. Killing themselves, with their own agenda. While infighting over the New World Empires' leadership moves toward critical mass. The "Money Powers" would reign should events continue forward unimpeded. We are at Cold War 2.0, with a Hot War once again a very real potential. Are we to continue to do nothing, siting as spectators, awaiting the total and complete negation of Liberty? In Dream Time, Mind over Matter, should be the foundation of this economic monopoly's demise. Those remnants of sane Patriots bear the burden of the consolidated creation of a single movement, with precise and exacting goals for the people to stand behind together. Survive-All... "Join or Die" Franklin-Hoppington>Philadelphia>May 1st,1751...

November 26, 2012 8:39 PM

Anonymous said...

Again Eric writes another article where he has no idea what he is talking about.

Eric says: “All researchers would agree that the "end game" for the ruling class is complete consolidation of power into a one-world government and a one-world currency.”

Eric is totally inappropriate to claim to speak for everyone. Many researchers, including myself, would disagree and tell you the “end game” is population reduction.

Eric further says that a “bloated central government will naturally erode civil liberties.”

A bloated government? Holly crap. Try an intentionally evil criminal genocial government. What planet are you living on? Eric, I once questioned your expertise, now I question your intentions.

“will naturally erode our rights?” Oh yes, the self-fulfilling prophesy. And now it’s the English running the show …and it’s all the Constitution’s fault.

Eric, you disgrace the truth movement.

Activist said...

Once again, thank you for the compliments my friendly Anonymous troll. I can't please all the people all the time.

If that's all you took away from this article than your perception is too small to debate. Go troll on other websites where you will be appreciated.

To everyone else commenting here. Keep the great insight and discussion going.

In peace and solidarity,

Eric

nonsense said...

I think Ron Paul is also a "Bait & Switch" artist and his main function in the last 2 years was to act as a "Diversion" long enough to ensure the election of either Romney or Obama! Ron tossed the public a few enticing bones such as his Federal Reserve schtick but that's all it was.. bones with no real meat attached.Ron ranted rhetorically and entrancingly as he drew in a large section of Americans who were very dissatisfied with their corrupt government.Ron spoke the words they wanted to hear but he was really only there to divert and mislead them until it was too late to find or draw out another Real and Honest Leader! At the last hour and at exactly the opportune time Ron just packed in all his Democracy Wind Bagging and simply Beat It & Slipped Out the Back Door... for he knew his job was done! He callously abandoned all his supporters and left them with only 2 Fascist choices.. just as was the intention! Ron Paul made such a great Hit Man it makes you wonder if he wasn't CIA trained?

Anonymous said...

Any system that continues to promote or elect a "worse than the old boss" is doomed to fail, or when a sensible leader or plan is put in place quick reversal takes shape. A farm, a manufacturing plant, Sony, HP, Panasonic, or American politics can only withstand mismanagement over the short term. We are well into the deconstruction phase as a vulture capitalist presidential candidate doing so well would suggest. Anyone of the antique motorcycles I've owned over the years was worth significantly more as parts, but recognizing the intrinsic values of the system, I sold them whole. My ten acres would be worth more money developed, but without an addiction to money the appeal of a bike path, grass raised meat and inf

Anonymous said...

ithacahours.com, start your own currency

Anonymous said...

My gut tells me this movement is a hoax and unless the issue of monetary and economic planning is applied seriously for the good of the seceded and not for another crazy-quilt of piddly dictatorships of cartels run from the central office and economic control is taken away from the institutional savage cabal interests at the same time for any nation wanting independence, nothing will change, secession or no secession.

Anonymous said...

If the vast majority of the secessionist movement are angry Romney voters who hate Obama........and I am fairly certain this is the case.........then what we have here is NOT an enlightened revolution or secession. What we have here is more of the same Right vs. Left crap that our masters use to divide and rule us.

The NWO is real, their plans for one world government, one currency and total control are well documented. They confuse and divide people. The Romney loving, Obama hating secessionists are being played like fools.

to 8:09PM. If you are unaware of the following (and it appears as if you are) please get informed and stop putting your energy into supporting a fraud.

Ron Paul supports the big 911 lie, just like Obama and Bush do.
Ron Paul stood by his son Rand who voted in the Senate with the other Monsanto servants and treasonous gutless pukes to deny states the right to label GMO foods.
Ron Paul believes in the two party system that is destroying the USA.
He is a fake, and like all fakes, to be any good he must be right on a few issues.

Anonymous said...

"...marijuana legalization can't happen at the state level in America because of its commitments to international drug treaties. "

Given that our Constitution provides very few powers to the federal government, and that any others are only done by delegation from the states, this is a red herring. Without expressly granted power to manage drugs and to declare any of them illegal, the federal government really had no valid authority to sign on to any of those treaties. It would be like a child trying to get a loan at the bank and then hold the parents responsible for payment. Too bad if the international community was stupid enough to let one of our administrations sign the treaty - our Constitution is readily available to anyone, so they should have known better.

Kurt B said...

I think most are missing the forest for the trees. Instead of succession why not return the power to the States as the Constitution originally intended? By that I mean eliminating the direct federal income tax and make funding for the Federal Government from excise taxes and appropriations granted by the States. Fifty years ago welfare was a State and local function with Township boards consisting of neighbors judging applicants ‘needs’, not a faceless bureaucracy adding up check marks on an application sheet. This would reduce the incentive to create a ‘dependent constituency’ of voters for the entitlement bureaucracy and the class warfare political movements that exploit them as a counter against the voting taxpayer who desires to keep his earnings. Of course money creation by the private banking cartel would have to be eliminated and returned to the treasury. This part turned out badly for Lincoln, Kennedy and the previous people who tried it.

carknow32 said...

What a lot of these folks miss is that State Sovereignty or Secession is a desire to peaceably obtain self-determination for our people. Let’s be real. The people of Missouri (or any other state) aren’t “breaking away” from the American people. Rather, in order to fully utilize the talents and leadership of individuals who would represent their own people – with their own long-standing State Constitutions and Governmental systems in place – they’re simply withdrawing from the broken leviathan of Federal Government.

And let’s not forget one important thing: Self Determination is purposefully and clearly stated in many of our State Constitutions! In Missouri's, its right after the Preamble’s statement of “profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe”. The Bill of Rights goes on to lay the foundation for the rest of the document: That all political power is vested in and derived from the people; that all government of right originates from the people, is founded upon their will only, and is instituted solely for the good of the whole. (Art. I § 1)

The Kentucky Resolution of 1798 (by Thomas Jefferson) also supports state’s rights: “That the several States composing, the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a general government for special purposes — delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force…“

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