Friday, September 14, 2012

More sniper ammunition being ordered by DHS. Who are the targets?

.308 175 grain hollow point boat tail
James Smith, Contributor
Activist Post

Surprise! The DHS Immigration and Customs Enforcement have requested more ammunition.

However, it is the type of ammunition and not necessarily the quantity that is troubling.

First on the agenda is the .223 rifle ammunition. Just a measly 40 million rounds in the first year, and another 160 million rounds in the following four years. 200,00 million rounds in total. You know, just enough to make you cringe thinking that some government office that is not military has more ammunition than you do.

The .223 caliber round is a decent hunting round, but those are not the rounds to be concerned about.

The .308 rounds should have you a bit concerned. Quite a bit concerned.

Why the .308? Because the same folks at DHS think they need two types of .308 caliber rounds. Blank ammunition and 168 grain hollow point boat tail ammunition.

The blank ammunition will be spread to five different locations in the American south east and in Puerto Rico. The regular ammunition will be spread all over the US in a variety of places.

Blank ammunition? Why blank ammunition?

Well, as it turns out blank ammunition is fantastic for putting on a show. Blank ammunition is used in theatrics (hmmm?) but also is used to help teach new shooters to develop trigger and breathing control.

Nevertheless, have no fear; DHS only needs 25,000 rounds to develop good sniper skills.

Because, they have also ordered 176,000 rounds of the .308 caliber hollow point boat tail (HPBT) rounds.

Boat tail ammunition is incredibly accurate ammunition. From the legal opinion from the US Navy JAG in support of using hollow point ammunition:

[?]marksmanship training units have established unequivocally the superior accuracy of the M852 [M852 is the Sierra MatchKing 168-grain match grade boat tail, ogival spitzer tip bullet with an open tip]. Army tests noted a 36% improvement in accuracy with the M852 at 300 meters, and a 32% improvement at 600 yds; Marine Corps figures were twenty-eight percent accuracy improvement at 300 m, and 20% at 600yds. The National Guard determined that the M852 provided better bullet groups at 200 and 600 yards under all conditions than did the M118. [FNa1]
The good news

One of the theories posited by so many commentators is the extremely large amount of ammunition purchased by the DHS. According to the same legal opinion, it is because trained soldiers are horrible sharpshooters:
Statistics from past wars suggest that this probability figure may be optimistic. In World War II, the United States and its allies expended 25,000 rounds of ammunition to kill a single enemy soldier. In the Korean War, the ammunition expenditure had increased four-fold to 100,000 rounds per soldier; in the Vietnam War, that figure had doubled to 200,000 rounds of ammunition for the death of a single enemy soldier. The risk to noncombatants is apparent.
Working the math out, that comes to only 7,600 people that DHS wants to kill, using the Korean War numbers. What luck!

The bad news

However, all of the “sniper” grade ammunition is being used by trained, or in-the-process-of-being-trained snipers.

The same legal opinion found that:
In contrast, United States Army and Marine Corps snipers in the Vietnam War expended 1.3 rounds of ammunition for each claimed and verified kill, at an average range of six hundred yards, or almost twice the three hundred meters cited above for combat engagements by the average soldier. Some verified kills were at ranges in excess of 1000 yards. This represents discrimination and military efficiency of the highest order, as well as minimization of risk to noncombatants. Utilization of a bullet that increases accuracy, such as the MatchKing, would further diminish the risk to noncombatants.
And that math comes out to be 135,384 potential kills for the snipers to make, using the 176,000 rounds of ammunition.

How well does the boat tail ammunition make the sniper? The following are recommendations of the MatchKing ammunition. Another review can be found here.

Still the best – 12/5/2010

Reviewer: mcgulfdrvr
I made a 4 shot 1/4 MOA open sight group @ 200M yesterday 12/4/10 at Okeechobee Shooting Sports with a NM M1A, using a fwd rest, on a 12″ Dirty Bird Target. I purchased and shot for comparison; 308 SSA 175 Gr match ammo, Buffalo Bore .308 175 Gr. “Sniper”,7.62 AE 168 Gr. M1A, and another Mfr.’s 7.62 M118LR in this rifle, a scoped M40 and a Remington 700TWS on the same range with the same results. Nothing comes close to the M118 offered here. Period.
And this is a further explanation of why boat tail ammunition is used:
The guys did get it right that it is a bullet with a very, very small hollow point and a taper at the end that resembles the stern of a sailboat. 
When a bullet flies though the air it needs to pierce the air in front – and at speeds faster than 1080 feet per second they create a vacuum on the end. The vacuum is a force that pulls the bullet in the wrong dircton……. having a boat tail creates a smaller vacuum and the bullet looses speed at a slower rate. 
HPBT bullets have a very thin copper jacket. They are not designed for hunting because they radically expand when the hit anything. Send a HPBT into the rear quarter of a deer – it will expand and turn the whole quarter into a black jelly plasma – shell shock meat – totally useless. 
In the hands of a skilled marksman – you can use a HPBT for a broadside shot at great distance – works awesome on caribou at 500 yards. 
In the hands of military sniper – the design of a HPBT allows them to hit targets beyond the normal 600 yard limit that hunting bullets all have. 
HPBT are pretty useless against light armor – FMJ will penetrate 2x to 4x more. 
Bullets come in two flavors – ones with a cannelure, ones without. We use a taper crimp to hold the non-cannuleure to the brass for use in semi-auto rifles……….and a roll crimp on bullets with a cannelure for sue in semi-auto rifles. The cannelure is just a small series of ridges and have nothing what so ever to do with penetration. 
One last tidbit. HPBT bullets have a special speed where the perform unusually well – 2850fps – you will notice that nearly all loaded ammo with these bullets from 308 to 50BMG go this speed. 
Hope this helps. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110706185608AA6F4lK
As long as you are aware of what is being purchased, and for what probable reason it may be purchased for, you will not be taken by surprise when it happens.

The DHS needs to have an honest and open conversation with America as to the Department's intentions with the ammunition. Civilians, i.e. The Public, should have complete oversight of the actions of DHS and the agencies within its purview.

Anything less is a step towards tyranny.

This article first appeared at Prepper Podcast Radio Network.


Read other articles by James Smith HERE.

James is a father of four and grandfather to four. He and his wife of almost 30 years have been prepping since 2003. They live in a small town, with neighbors as close as 10 feet away and have raised chickens for 2 years covertly on less than 1/5 of an acre. He is a former corrections officer, insurance fraud investigator, and he served in the Navy for 6 years. He currently works for a corporation dealing with the disabled population and their benefits. He is the host of The Covert Prepper show and the Prepper Podcast Radio Network News, both heard on Blogtalk Radio.


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12 comments:

Anonymous said...

Gee, I wonder who the ammo is for?

You DHS drones better keep in mind what side of history you want to be remembered. Right next to the Nazi drones or our founding warriors of Freedom.

Anonymous said...

Now we know were to get more when we run out. Thanks DHS. From your cold dead hand. I like the sound of that.

L. Charles Burch said...

My guess is the civilian defense force (brown shirts) authorized under ObamaCare will need plenty of ammo.

Anonymous said...

Would make sence if the DHS is anticipating a Chinese invasion ....

Anonymous said...

These ammo purchases are more of a psyop than they are a realistic plan.
Tell me how many fat, donut eating DHS bureaucrats want to tangle with the following deer hunters in just these 5 states:

LEADING FIREARM STATES
(Licensed Resident Gun Hunters)
Pennsylvania 1,000,000
Michigan 675,000
Wisconsin 656,164
New York 643,534
Texas 570,000

http://www.huntingpa.com/Deer%20stats.html

That's almost 3 million men with high power, accurate rifles IN ONLY THOSE 5 STATES.
Now imagine adding all the rest of the states.
Now imagine adding all the gun owners not registered to hunt.
What army on earth would want to, or is capable of screwing with 50 to 70 million armed Americans?

We are many, they are few, they fear us, never forget it.

Anonymous said...

April (15th) Morning.

Anonymous said...

Most Monday morning Patriots have families, jobs, mortgages, and no balls just a big mouth. Most never served in combat but rather sit around watching football on TV drinking their beer of choice and eating Cheetos. When the flag goes up and the knock is at the door they will give up all to stay out of the FEMA camps. The rest may or may not put up a fight but will loose to the powers that be. Your boys in the military WILL gladly treat you as an enemy of the state too.

Anonymous said...

This is outrageous that our own gmt. is in posession of so large an amount of hollow point bullets, (or any bullets at all.) Obviously this is intended, not only for psyops, but to kill, and kill horribly US citizens who start to practice civil disobedience in the forthcomming new world order. Other than that, what else would you suggest?

Also that is what all those coffins that they now have are for, and all the activated but semi-secret internment camps on US soil.

Wake up you sheeple, get a little foresight and a little backbone and demand some accountability from your government.

Anonymous said...

"The DHS needs to have an honest and open conversation with America as to the Department's intentions with the ammunition."

They ARE being honest. People just aren't (yet) willing to believe what the government is saying. It's just like Ben Bernanke..nobody wants to listen (believe) the messages he's sending about the government's intentions regarding the US Dollar. The messages are loud and clear, if you only listen. DHS arms/ammo purchases ARE very CLEAR communications. THEY are caching weapons and ammo, and so are we. They are training with light rifles (.223) and heavy rifles (.308)...and so are we. The reason this war IS going to happen is because in order for THEM to reach their final solution to the freedom problem, THEY have to eventually use raw terror against the population. THEY HAVE TO. And so they will. Plan accordingly.

Dboy

Anonymous said...

Gee, now they have more then the boys down at the bar.

Anonymous said...

No one will leave a FEMA Camp alive. Respond accordingly.

Anonymous said...


They intend to murder Millions , and The Grand Canyon will be used as their mass grave ........ God save America !

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